The Big Lie

 

In recent interviews, Liz Cheney has been calling President Trump’s insistence that the 2020 election was stolen “The Big Lie.” And over the weekend the mainstream media has been beside themselves over the forensic audit underway in Arizona. Today, President Trump decided to take those words and shove them back in the faces of spineless Republicans like her, Kevin McCarthy, and others by issuing the following statement:

Of course, Cheney doubled down on her assertions, and – much like every other Republican leader – has refused to actually debate the mountains of evidence most of us recognized immediately and have been daring others to examine ever since. One person who’s been front and center in all of this is Jenna Ellis, the president’s attorney who threw down a gauntlet of her own:
I love this, all of it. It reminds me that there are still a few people out there willing to have it out with the weak-kneed gatekeepers who care almost nothing about truth and even less about consequences. Will Cheney or any of the other media sycophants have the courage to debate any of our best and brightest on actual facts? Will conservative media outlets like Ricochet be willing to provide a forum?

This isn’t going away now, matter how much the hand-wringing NeverTrumpers want it to. I (and others like me) won’t sit quietly while these people desecrate our country and its laws. It’s beyond time to take a side on who is lying to whom. I stand with the president – not the usurper sitting in his chair, but the real one, who’s willing to call out a lie when he sees it, even if everyone else is afraid to.

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  1. Stina Member
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    AdamSmithFan (View Comment):

    Yea lets have a debate between Brian Kemp and Stacey Abrams about the 2018 Georgia election. The same whining would be all too evident. Also funny you should look to Jenna Ellis for bravery when she never had the guts to take any of the things she said in the media in front of a judge. Every lawsuit Trump lost, never reflected anything like the bunk she puts out there. So she’s very brave indeed challenging Cheney to a debate where she can say whatever she likes, when she wouldn’t put it to a Court because she’d be under oath.

    This isn’t true. Wisconsin, Trump won. I think a case in MI he won. I haven’t kept up with all the cases the media didn’t chase, but they were all still going through the court system even after SCOTUS shot down the suit brought by TEXAS, not Trump.

    You aren’t getting your facts from reliable news sources. They lie and mislead and propagate Democrat propaganda. I highly encourage you to not take their word as gospel and to maintain skepticism of their narrative even if you choose not to look elsewhere for news information. Anyone who regurgitates their information uncritically is a useful idiot of the left. Your point of view is meaningless.

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  2. AdamSmithFan Inactive
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    @AdamSmithFan

    Stina (View Comment):

    AdamSmithFan (View Comment):

    Yea lets have a debate between Brian Kemp and Stacey Abrams about the 2018 Georgia election. The same whining would be all too evident. Also funny you should look to Jenna Ellis for bravery when she never had the guts to take any of the things she said in the media in front of a judge. Every lawsuit Trump lost, never reflected anything like the bunk she puts out there. So she’s very brave indeed challenging Cheney to a debate where she can say whatever she likes, when she wouldn’t put it to a Court because she’d be under oath.

    This isn’t true. Wisconsin, Trump won. I think a case in MI he won. I haven’t kept up with all the cases the media didn’t chase, but they were all still going through the court system even after SCOTUS shot down the suit brought by TEXAS, not Trump.

    You aren’t getting your facts from reliable news sources. They lie and mislead and propagate Democrat propaganda. I highly encourage you to not take their word as gospel and to maintain skepticism of their narrative even if you choose not to look elsewhere for news information. Anyone who regurgitates their information uncritically is a useful idiot of the left. Your point of view is meaningless.

    It’s not me who isn’t getting my facts from reliable sources. The arguments made by the Trump campaign or lawsuits on their behalf or in challenging elections laws, or however you want to characterise them, never reached the rhetoric of Ellis, Guiliani or Powell. Show me a Courtroom transcript where they claimed anything like that. They never did. Their challenges were always on technical aspects of law and they lost repeatedly. Often with Trump appointed judges.

    You are right about the Texas case, that Scotus should have heard it as original jurisdiction. And they would have lost 9-0. That does not mean they should not have heard it, mind you. But the Court was never going to say that the interest of Texas were harmed by the actions of elections in other states. Have you any idea how insane that is?  That’s essentially endorsing HR1, with the federal government in control of every state election.

    If you want to argue these points, do. But don’t argue that I don’t have the facts. I’ve read many of the opinions of the Courts and it is laughable how little anything the Trump campaign said is reflected in their arguments before the Court. So maybe ask yourself why? Could it be they didn’t want to make those claims under oath? Or perhaps they don’t actually believe it and just propogate it to make Trump feel better about himself. Sidney Powell’s defense against the libels she committed is that no reasonable person would accept they were facts.

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  3. Stad Coolidge
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    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    In a comment in a previous thread (immortalized by Dr. Bastiat) I said:

    Democrat votes for the last 5 US presidential elections:

    2004: 59,028,444

    2008: 69,498,516

    2012: 65,915,795

    2016: 65,853,514

    2020: 81,268,924

    Nobody believes that. Nobody.

    A sudden 23% increase in votes with no explanation whatsoever.

    The dems don’t even praise it, or applaud any particular campaign strategy or anything.

    It’s hard to believe Biden attracted more voters than The One, Barack Hussein Obama . . .

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  4. RufusRJones Member
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    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    I am such a huge fan of that fraudulent F. The left did such a hack job on stealing an election, they created the Fake Election meme.

    I have lost so much respect for so many people over the insistence that this was a perfectly legitimate election.

    Same. I’ve lost even more for those who flippantly say things like, “Sure there was probably fraud, just not enough to make a real difference,” and then just move along and accept all of the crimes that aren’t even in dispute, like kicking out poll watchers.

    Georgia admitted that 400,000 ballots didn’t have a chain of custody. 

    Why are there any ballots without a chain of custody?

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  5. RufusRJones Member
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    @RufusRJones

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    America spoke loudly; it wanted no more of Trump.  

    He would not have lost except for Zuckerberg and probably the Democrat lawfare.

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  6. GlennAmurgis Coolidge
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    Does corporate media, democrats and the permanent bureaucracy pushing “Russian Collusion” count as “The Big Lie”?

    How about corporate media and big tech squelching stories about Hunter Biden’s lap top count?

     

     

     

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  7. RufusRJones Member
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    @RufusRJones

    kedavis (View Comment):
    You still don’t understand that “certifying” has no more real meaning than “notarizing?”

    Pennsylvania and Georgia legislatures should have thrown out their elections because of the lack of controls. That is how the Constitution is written. Probably Michigan as well.

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  8. AdamSmithFan Inactive
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    I am such a huge fan of that fraudulent F. The left did such a hack job on stealing an election, they created the Fake Election meme.

    I have lost so much respect for so many people over the insistence that this was a perfectly legitimate election.

    Same. I’ve lost even more for those who flippantly say things like, “Sure there was probably fraud, just not enough to make a real difference,” and then just move along and accept all of the crimes that aren’t even in dispute, like kicking out poll watchers.

    Georgia admitted that 400,000 ballots didn’t have a chain of custody.

    Why are there any ballots without a chain of custody?

    Georgia has admitted no such thing. That story was bunk from the get go. 

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  9. Mountie Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    A comment from another thread is appropriate here.

    Trump may be completely lacking in ethics but he is one hell of a brander.

    There are four questions I ask when someone signs a will to determine if they are of sound mind. Unlike the old saw, there are correct and wrong answers to these questions:

    1. What is your name?
    2. What is today’s date? (Or what year is this? What month is this?)
    3. Where are you?
    4. What is the purpose of today’s meeting?

    I can think of a few other questions to determine mental soundness:

    1. Is the earth flat?
    2. Is the Holocaust fake?
    3. Did Bush know about the 9/11 attacks before they occurred?
    4. Was Hillary elected in 2016?
    5. Was Trump elected in 2020?

    If someone answers “yes” to any of these five questions, their mental soundness must be questioned.

    So if I take your mental soundness  test from above and look at question #3  and I’m left with the conclusion that half of the Democrats  are  mentally unsound.

    https://www.politico.com/blogs/ben-smith/2011/04/more-than-half-of-democrats-believed-bush-knew-035224

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  10. RufusRJones Member
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    @RufusRJones

    One anecdote. Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton stopped Zuckerberg and the Democrat law fair really well. He says that Georgia’s voting patterns normally match Texas. They didn’t last time because they didn’t do you that.

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  11. AdamSmithFan Inactive
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    One anecdote. Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton stopped Zuckerberg and the Democrat law fair really well. He says that Georgia’s voting patterns normally match Texas. They didn’t last time because they didn’t do you that.

    Georgia went for Clinton in 1992 and Texas went for Bush. Also they split in many other elections. In 68 it went for Wallace while Texas went Humphreys. The also split in 64, when Georgia was one of the few Goldwater holdouts but that can be explained by LBJ. In 2012 Georgia was a lot closer than Texas.

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  12. RufusRJones Member
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    AdamSmithFan (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    One anecdote. Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton stopped Zuckerberg and the Democrat law fair really well. He says that Georgia’s voting patterns normally match Texas. They didn’t last time because they didn’t do you that.

    Georgia voted for Clinton twice and Texas voted for Bush and Dole. Great anecdote.

    I may not have remembered that properly because it was strictly about stopping Zuckerberg and the law fair.

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  13. AdamSmithFan Inactive
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    AdamSmithFan (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    One anecdote. Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton stopped Zuckerberg and the Democrat law fair really well. He says that Georgia’s voting patterns normally match Texas. They didn’t last time because they didn’t do you that.

    Georgia voted for Clinton twice and Texas voted for Bush and Dole. Great anecdote.

    I may not have remembered that properly because it was strictly about stopping Zuckerberg and the law fair.

    I got Dole wrong. Mea culpa. Changed my original. Sorry about that. 

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  14. RufusRJones Member
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    AdamSmithFan (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    AdamSmithFan (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    One anecdote. Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton stopped Zuckerberg and the Democrat law fair really well. He says that Georgia’s voting patterns normally match Texas. They didn’t last time because they didn’t do you that.

    Georgia voted for Clinton twice and Texas voted for Bush and Dole. Great anecdote.

    I may not have remembered that properly because it was strictly about stopping Zuckerberg and the law fair.

    I got Dole wrong. Mea culpa. Changed my original. Sorry about that.

    I think more accurately, he saying that the states different legal dynamics is reflected in the change in Trump’s fortunes between the two elections.

    I forget what year Georgia became more Republican.

    The other thing about Georgia is, Michael Bloomberg gave $5 million to Stacey Abrams to stay the hell out of the primary. Supposedly she really is a good organizer and that is a hell of a lot of money. You know she was talking to the Zuckerberg operation, even though ostensibly it was just expanded government.

     

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  15. Gary Robbins Member
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    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    DonG (2+2=5. Say it!) (View Comment):

    Jenna Ellis has settled on an undefeatable argument (which I happen to share). If she can get Trump and his circle to stick with that argument, it will help convince more people that Biden is not a legitimate president. I am not sure that re-using “the big lie” is helpful. I like reserving Holocaust terminology for the original events.

    There are a few undefeatable arguments one could make. I prefer this one: You claim you won. Prove it.

    Well, the Secretaries of State from 50 states and DC all certified their vote totals and while there were 60+ lawsuits before 90+ judges, not a single judge changed a single vote. This is such a far reaching conspiracy that there is no evidence of it that can be found!

    So far nobody on Biden’s side is willing to do that and nobody in the GOP establishment is willing to demand it.

    Oh, there is a test coming. The Dominion Lawsuit has forced FNC and OANN to back down on their crazy conspiracies and Dominion will crush Mike Lindell like a grape. Happy hunting.

     

    Again, prove it…with actual ballots that we can touch. You don’t have them. The state legislatures don’t have them. Judges don’t have them. Do you know why? Because they don’t exist which is what Arizona is about to prove.

    And if Arizona doesn’t prove your insanity, will you accept that you were conned by TRUMP’s Big Lie?  Or will you create a new lie to cover for the last one?

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  16. Gary Robbins Member
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    Stina (View Comment):

    AdamSmithFan (View Comment):

    Yea lets have a debate between Brian Kemp and Stacey Abrams about the 2018 Georgia election. The same whining would be all too evident. Also funny you should look to Jenna Ellis for bravery when she never had the guts to take any of the things she said in the media in front of a judge. Every lawsuit Trump lost, never reflected anything like the bunk she puts out there. So she’s very brave indeed challenging Cheney to a debate where she can say whatever she likes, when she wouldn’t put it to a Court because she’d be under oath.

    This isn’t true. Wisconsin, Trump won. I think a case in MI he won. I haven’t kept up with all the cases the media didn’t chase, but they were all still going through the court system even after SCOTUS shot down the suit brought by TEXAS, not Trump.

    Well, if Trump won, why is Biden in the White House?  And Trump is Palm Beach?

    You aren’t getting your facts from reliable news sources. They lie and mislead and propagate Democrat propaganda. I highly encourage you to not take their word as gospel and to maintain skepticism of their narrative even if you choose not to look elsewhere for news information. Anyone who regurgitates their information uncritically is a useful idiot of the left. Your point of view is meaningless.

    Do you believe in the moon landing?  Or is that an artifact of the liberal media?

     

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  17. Gary Robbins Member
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    Stad (View Comment):

    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    In a comment in a previous thread (immortalized by Dr. Bastiat) I said:

    Democrat votes for the last 5 US presidential elections:

    2004: 59,028,444

    2008: 69,498,516

    2012: 65,915,795

    2016: 65,853,514

    2020: 81,268,924

    Nobody believes that. Nobody.

    A sudden 23% increase in votes with no explanation whatsoever.

    The dems don’t even praise it, or applaud any particular campaign strategy or anything.

    It’s hard to believe Biden attracted more voters than The One, Barack Hussein Obama . . .

    Biden by himself could have never gotten all of those votes.  Biden got those votes because he was the Non-Trump.

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  18. Gary Robbins Member
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    @GaryRobbins

    Mountie (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    A comment from another thread is appropriate here.

    Trump may be completely lacking in ethics but he is one hell of a brander.

    There are four questions I ask when someone signs a will to determine if they are of sound mind. Unlike the old saw, there are correct and wrong answers to these questions:

    1. What is your name?
    2. What is today’s date? (Or what year is this? What month is this?)
    3. Where are you?
    4. What is the purpose of today’s meeting?

    I can think of a few other questions to determine mental soundness:

    1. Is the earth flat?
    2. Is the Holocaust fake?
    3. Did Bush know about the 9/11 attacks before they occurred?
    4. Was Hillary elected in 2016?
    5. Was Trump elected in 2020?

    If someone answers “yes” to any of these five questions, their mental soundness must be questioned.

    So if I take your mental soundness test from above and look at question #3 and I’m left with the conclusion that half of the Democrats are mentally unsound.

    https://www.politico.com/blogs/ben-smith/2011/04/more-than-half-of-democrats-believed-bush-knew-035224

    Yes, an appalling number of Democrats said such a stupid thing.  Both Republicans and Democrats are capable of stupid things; it is a wonder that they haven’t destroyed the country.

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  19. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    An exercise in branding:

    “Trump’s Big Lie” is that he won.  All that is needed is to substitute the word “Trump” for the word “The.”

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  20. RufusRJones Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Yes, an appalling number of Democrats said such a stupid thing.  Both Republicans and Democrats are capable of stupid things; it is a wonder that they haven’t destroyed the country.

    Act accordingly. 

    Everything Moves Towards Communism All Of The Time™

    Everything Moves Left All Of The Time

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  21. Gary Robbins Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Yes, an appalling number of Democrats said such a stupid thing. Both Republicans and Democrats are capable of stupid things; it is a wonder that they haven’t destroyed the country.

    Act accordingly.

    Everything Moves Towards Communism All Of The Time™

    Everything Moves Left All Of The Time

    Every Republican who is not NeverTrump becomes a Trump sycophant all of the time.  

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  22. RufusRJones Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Yes, an appalling number of Democrats said such a stupid thing. Both Republicans and Democrats are capable of stupid things; it is a wonder that they haven’t destroyed the country.

    Act accordingly.

    Everything Moves Towards Communism All Of The Time™

    Everything Moves Left All Of The Time

    Every Republican who is not NeverTrump becomes a Trump sycophant all of the time.

    You keep saying that, but I just don’t see it. When I look at all of your anti-Trump columns, you aren’t that great in this sense, either.

    I really don’t see the point of you repeating that supposed deep observation.

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  23. namlliT noD Member
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    @DonTillman

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    And if Arizona doesn’t prove your insanity, will you accept that you were conned by TRUMP’s Big Lie?  Or will you create a new lie to cover for the last one?

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    An exercise in branding:
    “Trump’s Big Lie” is that he won.  All that is needed is to substitute the word “Trump” for the word “The.”

    Again… By definition, The Big Lie employs a controlled media to propagate it.

    In this case the media is organized against President Trump.  You have it exactly backwards.  This is the opposite of The Big Lie.

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  24. AdamSmithFan Inactive
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    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    And if Arizona doesn’t prove your insanity, will you accept that you were conned by TRUMP’s Big Lie? Or will you create a new lie to cover for the last one?

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    An exercise in branding:
    “Trump’s Big Lie” is that he won. All that is needed is to substitute the word “Trump” for the word “The.”

    Again… By definition, The Big Lie employs a controlled media to propagate it.

    In this case the media is organized against President Trump. You have it exactly backwards. This is the opposite of The Big Lie.

    Yea cause Breitbart, OAN, Newsmax, -sadly- large parts of Fox, had nothing to say about the election. 

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  25. Flicker Coolidge
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    AdamSmithFan (View Comment):

    Yea lets have a debate between Brian Kemp and Stacey Abrams about the 2018 Georgia election. The same whining would be all too evident. Also funny you should look to Jenna Ellis for bravery when she never had the guts to take any of the things she said in the media in front of a judge. Every lawsuit Trump lost, never reflected anything like the bunk she puts out there. So she’s very brave indeed challenging Cheney to a debate where she can say whatever she likes, when she wouldn’t put it to a Court because she’d be under oath.

    Patrick Byrne who peripherally worked with Trump and the election situation referred to Ellis (without using her name) as the Mediocrity.

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  26. Flicker Coolidge
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    @Flicker

    AdamSmithFan (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    This isn’t true. Wisconsin, Trump won. I think a case in MI he won. I haven’t kept up with all the cases the media didn’t chase, but they were all still going through the court system even after SCOTUS shot down the suit brought by TEXAS, not Trump.

    You aren’t getting your facts from reliable news sources. They lie and mislead and propagate Democrat propaganda. I highly encourage you to not take their word as gospel and to maintain skepticism of their narrative even if you choose not to look elsewhere for news information. Anyone who regurgitates their information uncritically is a useful idiot of the left. Your point of view is meaningless.

    It’s not me who isn’t getting my facts from reliable sources. The arguments made by the Trump campaign or lawsuits on their behalf or in challenging elections laws, or however you want to characterise them, never reached the rhetoric of Ellis, Guiliani or Powell. Show me a Courtroom transcript where they claimed anything like that. They never did. Their challenges were always on technical aspects of law and they lost repeatedly. Often with Trump appointed judges.

    You are right about the Texas case, that Scotus should have heard it as original jurisdiction. And they would have lost 9-0. That does not mean they should not have heard it, mind you. But the Court was never going to say that the interest of Texas were harmed by the actions of elections in other states. Have you any idea how insane that is? That’s essentially endorsing HR1, with the federal government in control of every state election.

    If you want to argue these points, do. But don’t argue that I don’t have the facts. I’ve read many of the opinions of the Courts and it is laughable how little anything the Trump campaign said is reflected in their arguments before the Court. So maybe ask yourself why? Could it be they didn’t want to make those claims under oath? Or perhaps they don’t actually believe it and just propogate it to make Trump feel better about himself. Sidney Powell’s defense against the libels she committed is that no reasonable person would accept they were facts.

    According to Partick Byrne, Trump, for whatever reasons, of old friendship perhaps, insisted that Giuliani remain head of the post-election legal team and lead its tactics.  Byrne essentially said that Giuliani was clueless and knowingly arguing from a losing position, because he thought that election fraud cases could never be won.  This would seem to explain why the courts were presented as technical arguments.

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  27. I Walton Member
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    @IWalton

    I find it delusional to insist that Biden unambiguously won and that the cheating was sort of normal.  I suppose they have spent little  time in countries where fraud is rampant, or in places that don’t even pretend, or actually try to have honest elections in spite of the odds, so don’t understand how normal it is for some groups to cheat.  They were so displeased with Trump it just seemed normal to them that more people voted for Biden than ever voted for anyone, in percentages way above normal, after a campaign that Trump carried out explosively and Biden not at all.  

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  28. Vince Guerra Inactive
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    AdamSmithFan (View Comment):
    It’s not me who isn’t getting my facts from reliable sources. The arguments made by the Trump campaign or lawsuits on their behalf or in challenging elections laws, or however you want to characterise them, never reached the rhetoric of Ellis, Guiliani or Powell.

    Yes, lets talk about facts. According to the official results Biden got 3,461,221 in Pennsylvania and Trump got 3,379,005. Okay, lets see the ballots. Why won’t they allow us to audit them? Why is this the same case in every important swing state? Since when did transparency in elections become controversial? 

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  29. philo Member
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    AdamSmithFan (View Comment): You are right about the Texas case, that Scotus should have heard it as original jurisdiction. And they would have lost 9-0. That does not mean they should not have heard it, mind you. But the Court was never going to say that the interest of Texas were harmed by the actions of elections in other states.

    Through no great insight on your part, you are, in fact, correct here. And the facts as stated make the situation very telling and informative to Texas and the other states going forward. 

    That this joke of a court, current and historically speaking, that sees no perversion of the Commerce Clause too gross to go along with would NEVER go along with (or even entertain) the clear and valid Texas argument in this case has set a course that will be very interesting in the coming years (or maybe even months). That they also insisted on signaling just how feckless they intend on being in preserving the foundational agreement between the states and how little they can be counted on to protect American liberty throughout those coming events should be very instructive to We the People. 

    Congratulations. 

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  30. Ole Summers Member
    Ole Summers
    @OleSummers

    “Trump won the Cow Counties”

    I usually spend only a few seconds (if that) with trolling designed mostly to gain attention and distract. But it appears that a small truth is hidden in plain sight in these few words. To begin with, my experience (as well as inclinations) tell me that those “cow counties” are generally more sensibly run than those others cited. But they also are proof that some still fail to admit the remoteness of the establishment GOP from fundamental principles. The distraction is continual Trump bashing to keep from admitting why he became necessary (yeah, I said necessary) in the first place. But it appears that this distraction is far more important to some than secure elections, border security, military preparedness, reductions of regulations, controlling taxes and actual liberty for all citizens. 

    Well, that’s all the time I have for this, Have to go check pastures.

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