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The Big Lie
In recent interviews, Liz Cheney has been calling President Trump’s insistence that the 2020 election was stolen “The Big Lie.” And over the weekend the mainstream media has been beside themselves over the forensic audit underway in Arizona. Today, President Trump decided to take those words and shove them back in the faces of spineless Republicans like her, Kevin McCarthy, and others by issuing the following statement:
Of course, Cheney doubled down on her assertions, and – much like every other Republican leader – has refused to actually debate the mountains of evidence most of us recognized immediately and have been daring others to examine ever since. One person who’s been front and center in all of this is Jenna Ellis, the president’s attorney who threw down a gauntlet of her own:
I love this, all of it. It reminds me that there are still a few people out there willing to have it out with the weak-kneed gatekeepers who care almost nothing about truth and even less about consequences. Will Cheney or any of the other media sycophants have the courage to debate any of our best and brightest on actual facts? Will conservative media outlets like Ricochet be willing to provide a forum?
This isn’t going away now, matter how much the hand-wringing NeverTrumpers want it to. I (and others like me) won’t sit quietly while these people desecrate our country and its laws. It’s beyond time to take a side on who is lying to whom. I stand with the president – not the usurper sitting in his chair, but the real one, who’s willing to call out a lie when he sees it, even if everyone else is afraid to.
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What are you taking about? If they delivered every single ballot to your house, you still wouldn’t believe it. What proof would be enough for you? Also why always the states Trump lost? Why no voter fraud in Texas? Florida? Or Ohio. Because everywhere Trump won was legit. Everywhere else was fraud. John Kerry, Hillary and Stacey Abrams called, they want their argument back.
There was no valid Texas argument, if you want other states to be able to sue for the elections in other states, congratulations you’re the Democrat and you should cheer on HR1
HR 1 forces the same rules on everyone.
That is a very different argument from one state demanding another state abide by the ACTUAL RULES of their own state (not Texas’ rules).
The entire case was a scotus case that required scotus to overrule a state supreme justice that gave their state’s executive the right to violate that state’s constitution. When the scotus refused to hear the case brought by that state’s legislature, Texas tried to bring a case. Because when one state alters the course of a national election by violating their own rules, it affect Texas just as much as it affects Pennsylvania. Also that it is the national constitution that requires state legislatures to set the terms of their elections. Which is also in the jurisdiction of SCOTUS.
You draw a false equivalency. It is the state legislatures that have the constitutional right and duty to set election rules, not the national legislature.
Umm, is it so hard to believe that those bent on fraud would be selective about the states that they chose to influence?
That’s nonsense on stilts. I did not say it was the same as HR1. It was the argument that other states can sue that they were harmed by the election of another state. Elections for president are not national elections. The states choose electors whatever way they want and if PA acted in bad faith, that up to the people of PA and their courts, not Texas. Would you accept that California could sue based on ballot initiatives in red states on transgenderism?
Yea they chose states with republican governors but not deep blue Maine. They use the big cities in PA MI and GA to cheat but not Texas. They oppose appointing judges by Trump who rule in their favour. They also only cheated on the top of the ballot but didn’t with house races. It’s an amazing conspiracy in fairness.
FIFY.
Yes, so the people of PA were harmed by that it there was an unconstitutional activity. Not the people of Texas. Again, would you support blue states overturning red states elections due to voter suppression or gerrymander or some other progressive nonsense?
You keep drawing analogies that you think make sense but don’t. If PA elected their national congress critters against their laws, then Texas has no say. But the presidency is not just about that state. It affects us all. Now figure out why your stupid California example does not apply.
We were all affected by PA breaking the rules. In case you haven’t noticed, we are all affected by senile war monger being in charge of the big red button. Everyone is harmed by every policy he writes. We are all harmed by his presidency. Get a clue.
The presidency effects everybody, how said president is elected is a matter for each individual state, the whole point of the California analogy is if we go with your logic, there’s nothing to stop California doing that. Just because you’re effected by the president, does not mean you are harmed by how each state allocates its electors.
You’re really rather argumentative aren’t you? How interesting that you want to debunk conspiracy talk by asking why the conspiracy wasn’t bigger?
BTW, the correct answer to my question is: “No, it’s not that hard to believe.” You get an “incomplete.”
You are affected by the president, you are not affected by how an individual state allocates its electors. Same reason, other states couldn’t overturn Florida in 2000. Which btw was the argument of progressives then. So congrats you sound like Al Gore.
No, I support states following their own constitution and the US Constitution. When some states refuse to do this it violates the compact that established the Republic. It has nothing to do with voter suppression and gerrymandering…but you know that and insist on this rather dense approach to a fake argument. Quite telling.
How far our national moral civics have fallen.
It would appear that cheating doesn’t harm others. Only oneself. What an argument.
Next time Dems lose which I think will almost certainly be ‘24, they will howl and how voter suppression. I take you’ll support the right of New York to sue Georgia or Texas to have its elections thrown out?
Not if Georgia and Texas did not violate their own constitution or the US Constitution. It cannot be made any clearer. Playing dumb is beneath you…
Simply pointing out that your conspiracy makes no sense. So Democrats sat down in a dark room somewhere and said where will we cheat, oh I know, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Georgia and Arizona. But we won’t in Texas where we control every major city, or Ohio likewise or use our advantage in the cities of Florida. We’ll also only cheat in the presidential election and we’ll purposely lose loads of house seats. plus we won’t steal the senate seat in Maine, which is a bright blue state or steal the electoral vote there either. We’ll also have to rely on the republican governors of Arizona and Georgia to pull this off and we’ll have to get lots of federal judges appointed by republicans to back us up. It’s clever stuff in fairness, those dastardly Democrats!! They’ve got it all sown up.
Voter suppression doesn’t violate the constitution? I don’t think there is such a thing before you accuse me of that too. But you can’t have it both way. Fraud with no proof should allow Texas to sue PA but voter suppression should not allow blue states to sue.
I’m talking about looking at the ballots from the states that were questionable because a) the violated the law by kicking out Republican poll watchers b) they stopped counting in the middle of the night and then found just enough votes to put Biden over the top c) they have no chain of custody for the votes they found d) they won’t let anyone examine the voting machines. We can look at them all if you want to but let’s start in the states where all of that occurred.
Journalism rule #1: It didn’t happen unless you can confirm it. Biden needs to confirm he got the votes in order to put this to rest and validate the certifications. He hasn’t done that, and in fact has stonewalled, threatened, harassed, and in some cases even prosecuted anyone who’s tried to do that. That should alarm you.
Why not look? What are they afraid of? What are you afraid of?
Lots of those issues have been adjudicated in court. I can’t help you that you won’t accept that. That’s my point, no proof is enough, short of Trump won. They could ship every ballot to your door and I’m sure you’d still find something that was wrong. As I said Al Gore, John Kerry, Hillary, Stacey Abrams and Trump. All can’t accept they lost and their supporters won’t either.
There you go.
Evening,
As an example of the difficulties of court action and media deceit Mollie Hemingway
https://thefederalist.com/2021/03/17/medias-entire-georgia-narrative-is-fraudulent-not-just-the-fabricated-trump-quotes/
We do not know what exactly happened, we do know that something smells. In the 2016 election 4% of the mail-in votes were found to be invalid due to problems with the signature, 40% of the votes were mail-in. In 2020 les than .5% of mail-in votes were disqualified due to problems with signatures, 60% of votes were mail-in. This smells. The media is selling the narrative of election integrity, to believe the media is to be politically foolish.
There are all kinds of wild statistics like this. The controls on absentee ballots were awful in multiple ways.
What proof do you have that Biden won? Them saying so?
Let us look at the 3,461,221 ballots he got from Pennsylvania and we’ll walk away. This isn’t that hard.
No you’re right actually. I concede. Congrats to Trump on his victory. One for the ages like that of Presidents Gore, Kerry and Hillary.
Exactly. Mail-in ballots are rife for fraud or for ballots being “lost” if it’s a red district . . .
Anyone who thinks that mail carriers etc are above reproach, I’ve found discarded mail more than once, that the carriers evidently just didn’t want to bother delivering. How much more motivating could it be if they thought doing so might help a preferred candidate to win election?
Have you ever worked an election? Been part of the party mechanism that gets elections done? Run polls? From what I can tell I have never been in an honest one. They all cheat. Though in my area all the cheating is done by the Democrats since the Republicans can field enough of an effort. But the rigging tends to be more of a thumb on the scales thing. Done here and there as needed to get certain things done or certain people in. You have to remember the parties are not one group like a company but work more like gangs or organized crime with crews doing various things to help themselves and kick it back to higher level. I have seen it in my area all my life at the local, county and state levels, it was not until Obama that I could feel it at the national level.
Interesting that you keep trying to twist my position into something it is not while employing the terminology of the left. Color me suspicious…