Trans Activists Are Erasing Bisexuals

 

The more I talk to my kiddo and gathered friends (in SoCal), the more I am getting called “old” and “old fashioned”.  Imagine me, a young mother, not yet 50, being schooled by my 18-year-old about how the LGBTQIA+ community isn’t what it used to be.

I’ve been told time and again that my experiences are no longer valid.  Whether or not they’d come out and say it exactly, that’s the gist.  It would never be said explicitly, because everyone’s experiences are valid, etc, etc.  But it has been said to me that everything I know is the old way.

The old way includes bisexuals.  You know, the women or men that love women and men.

Since we know now that gender either doesn’t exist at all or is completely non-binary or on a scale of masc to femme (unless you’re indigenous and Two-Spirit), this means that bisexuality no longer exists.  The Federalist called it back in 2017.  Trans movements are erasing homosexuality.  If there is no gender or it is how you feel or it is fluid, then there can be no protections based upon gender or sexual orientation since it can be changed at any moment.

According to my kid, this makes me a TERF.

Maybe it does.  But I have always felt that rights for people with various disorders are individual and shouldn’t be lumped into a large, generalized group that does not take into account their various issues.  Trans people are not a homogenous group.  Some are relatively well adjusted.  Many are not.  Many have serious identity conflicts that are not just related to their ideas of being in the wrong body.

Regardless, by definition, this eliminates bisexuality.  If there are no genders, then bisexuality is a lie.  It is even to the point that biresource.org, the resource for bisexuals is now calling it “bi+” because there are trans people who consider themselves bisexual.  They even go so far as to define it:

For example, bi+ activist Robyn Ochs defines bisexuality as “the potential for attraction to people with genders similar to and different from [your] own.”

I guess the bi, in bisexual refers to what, then?  No one really has an answer for that.  It is like lesbian or gay.  It is out of fashion.  Now it is all just queer.

There is, therefore, only pan-sexuality; the idea that one is attracted to a person, not a gender.

In 2017, 390 people out of 100,000 were estimated to be trans.  Approximately 50% of respondents were younger and it was expected that more would identify in the future.  According to the Williams Institute, over 1,397,000 people in the US identify as transgender.  It is only expected to rise as younger people are identifying more and more as queer, trans, or non-binary.

I never needed particular visibility.  I never felt the need to “come out” to anyone.  Whoever I dated was my business and if I introduced my person to someone, that was what it was.  If I felt like talking about the relationship, I did.  If I didn’t, I didn’t.  I didn’t need a flag or a pin or an undercut to show just how bisexual I was/wasn’t.  I never felt the need to explain it to anyone (except maybe my parents when I was in college, but I got over that).

I still do not need “visibility” or special treatment.  What I would like, however, is for my orientation to be respected and not turned into something it isn’t based upon this apparent fluidity of gender.  I would like to not be judged as some sort of bigot because I love men and women.

And I want my men to be men and my women to be women.

Otherwise, what is even the point of bisexuality or the attraction to the two?  The idea is that they are different.  The idea is that it is okay to be attracted to that.

I understand that trans life is very hard and I have known a number of people who have transitioned partially or completely, had surgeries (or not).  I am not discounting any of that.  But what I do discount is changing the terminology to mean something completely other than what it is.

I am not bisexual+.  I am not queer.

Also, I’m not old!

Fun side note: according to the Williams Institute, Texas is gayer than New York by more than 24,000 people.

Second side note: pictures searched through Shutterstock show more “trans” when searching “bisexual”.  Can’t be escaped.  I will provide no commentary about this.

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  1. Judge Mental Member
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    Judge Mental (View Comment):

    If it’s not possible to ‘change’ or ‘convince’ or ‘groom’ kids into something other than what they would have chosen themselves then explain the Colorado Junior High School where suddenly one out of three girls reports being trans. Forget about the other words, what I see is indoctrination.

    What you’re seeing is a fad. Check back in five years and one in three will report being something else.

    Which is why they are pushing so hard for puberty blockers and hormone therapy.  Among those who are put on such drugs, the percentage changing their mind back becomes effectively zero.

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  2. Zafar Member
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    Judge Mental (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Judge Mental (View Comment):

    If it’s not possible to ‘change’ or ‘convince’ or ‘groom’ kids into something other than what they would have chosen themselves then explain the Colorado Junior High School where suddenly one out of three girls reports being trans. Forget about the other words, what I see is indoctrination.

    What you’re seeing is a fad. Check back in five years and one in three will report being something else.

    Which is why they are pushing so hard for puberty blockers and hormone therapy. Among those who are put on such drugs, the percentage changing their mind back becomes effectively zero.

    Where are the stats on this? How many children (<18) are being put on puberty blockers and hormone treatment?  What are the outcomes in one year, two years, three years, four years etc?

    Take that one in three girls example in Colorado. From that how many and what outcomes?

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  3. Judge Mental Member
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    Judge Mental (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Judge Mental (View Comment):

    If it’s not possible to ‘change’ or ‘convince’ or ‘groom’ kids into something other than what they would have chosen themselves then explain the Colorado Junior High School where suddenly one out of three girls reports being trans. Forget about the other words, what I see is indoctrination.

    What you’re seeing is a fad. Check back in five years and one in three will report being something else.

    Which is why they are pushing so hard for puberty blockers and hormone therapy. Among those who are put on such drugs, the percentage changing their mind back becomes effectively zero.

    Where are the stats on this? How many children (<18) are being put on puberty blockers and hormone treatment? What are the outcomes in one year, two years, three years, four years etc?

    Take that one in three girls example in Colorado. From that how many and what outcomes?

    The questions you are asking reflect one of the main problems.  There are basically zero longitudinal studies on any of this and yet activists are plowing ahead.  The one such study I’m aware of involved the twins that were the basis for the entire notion that gender is a social construct.  That study lasted until they were five.  Should have kept it up, since they were both dead by about 21.  One drug overdose, one shotgun.

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  4. Percival Thatcher
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    Judge Mental (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Judge Mental (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Judge Mental (View Comment):

    If it’s not possible to ‘change’ or ‘convince’ or ‘groom’ kids into something other than what they would have chosen themselves then explain the Colorado Junior High School where suddenly one out of three girls reports being trans. Forget about the other words, what I see is indoctrination.

    What you’re seeing is a fad. Check back in five years and one in three will report being something else.

    Which is why they are pushing so hard for puberty blockers and hormone therapy. Among those who are put on such drugs, the percentage changing their mind back becomes effectively zero.

    Where are the stats on this? How many children (<18) are being put on puberty blockers and hormone treatment? What are the outcomes in one year, two years, three years, four years etc?

    Take that one in three girls example in Colorado. From that how many and what outcomes?

    The questions you are asking reflect one of the main problems. There are basically zero longitudinal studies on any of this and yet activists are plowing ahead. The one such study I’m aware of involved the twins that were the basis for the entire notion that gender is a social construct. That study lasted until they were five. Should have kept it up, since they were both dead by about 21. One drug overdose, one shotgun.

    To hell with the studies. Zafar, are you seriously proposing that we wait for that? It would be like not putting up smoke detectors until you see where the smoke goes when the building is on fire.

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  5. Zafar Member
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    We’re all assuming a lot – and in the information environment we find ourselves I think that’s unwise.  What is the size of this issue? What specifically does it comprise? Without any numbers it’s a Rorschach test for everybody.  And who benefits from that? Certainly not kids. 

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  6. Gary McVey Contributor
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    In 1942, when the entire world was awash in genuinely brave, tough, resourceful fighting men, teenaged American girls swooned and fainted over non-combatant Frank Sinatra, who probably weighed in at 110 pounds. Teenage girls are not exactly a stable source of info. (Teenage boys are no great font of wisdom either.)

    I don’t think sex surgery on under-18s is common, but I don’t think it should be done at all. I’d say nearly the same about so-called make-em-straight-again counseling–just as cynical, just as phony, but not permanent. 

    The problems that gays/lesbians face are very different from the ones that trans people, real or imagined, face. The 50th anniversary of the Stonewall Inn riot happened in 2019, and by now there was a claim that this event was driven by “trans women of color”, which is total garbage. It’s just not true. But by then there was no socially acceptable way to push back.

    Everyone’s sex is not as adjustable as a thermometer. Well, some people’s are.  

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  7. Annefy Member
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    Zafar (View Comment):

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    The only thing to be conerned about in all of this is the rise of people confused about what they are. This is proof that grooming is working.

    I’m really sceptical about this. If grooming worked I’d be straight, in fact there would be no gay men or lesbians (or bisexuals).

    I presume that grooming a young boy who is gay would require a seduction— or persuasion of some sort—by a female but there doesn’t seem to be a market for that.

    I’m using the term the ways it’s being used to describe normalising gay or trans identity in schools (with this strange assumption that this means turning straight kids gay, or turning kids trans). I agree that this is a somewhat manipulative use of the word, but anyway – if my parents could have brought me up to be straight they would have. I just don’t think telling kids there’s a possible way for them to be means they’ll turn out that way if they weren’t going to anyway. We have less control over these outcomes than many seem to believe. Imnsho.

    I might agree if we weren’t putting children on puberty blockers, to say nothing of surgery. Who knows what they were going to turn out to be if left alone?

    I think surgery before 18 is illegal. Is it really happening?

    Puberty blockers are troubling enough. Isn’t puberty important to mental and emotional development? This seems to treat it as an inconvenience, at best – but I’d be interested in seeing the reasoning behind it as well as how frequently it’s done.

    My sceptical side sees this as the equivalent of SSM as a political issue that galvanises both bases. Do you recall all those claims that SSM would undermine marriage – what, even, would marriage mean? But SSM happened and people woke up the next day and realised it hadn’t changed their own marriages at all. What a nothing burger that turned out to be.

    You know what did happen? 72 hours later there was a call for people to use whatever dressing room they “identified with” at Target. I barely had time to wipe my brow. 

    And for the record, there are many reasons beyond insecurity in your own marriage to be  against SSM. 

    I have a new one to add to my previous: it would have kept everyone busy, and then all the LGBTQ+++ wouldn’t have had to adopt the trans cause. Got to keep those coffers full. 

     

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  8. James Lileks Contributor
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    RightAngles (View Comment):
    b) Maybe the erasure is more a matter of putting all the attention on the trans issue? 

    I think that’s it. Transism has the most ideological dynamite, and blows up all the bougie paradigms. It also provides a purity test that separates the wrongthink elders from the progressive acolytes of the new (and hence better) ideas. 

    Gary McVey (View Comment):

    I’m with Andrew Sullivan on this one: With the rarest of exceptions, you can’t turn a gay person straight or a straight person gay.

    Sullivan had that odd period of nutter-butter obsession with Sarah Palin, but he’s back to his old form these days. His objections to the current rewrite of human sexuality has earned him a spot in a lava pit next to J.K. Rowlings

    But there are such people as bisexuals, and as TRN says, they seem to annoy the category-addicted. Not many, but some, and probably more females than males.

    Hush hush now, that would suggest that there are differences in male and female sexuality.

     

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  9. Annefy Member
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    Judge Mental (View Comment):

    If it’s not possible to ‘change’ or ‘convince’ or ‘groom’ kids into something other than what they would have chosen themselves then explain the Colorado Junior High School where suddenly one out of three girls reports being trans. Forget about the other words, what I see is indoctrination.

    What you’re seeing is a fad. Check back in five years and one in three will report being something else.

    Just keep rolling your eyes, Z. How many 20 year olds do you know who get prescribed testosterone after one doctor’s visit? They might well be reporting as something else in five years, but “mother” won’t be one of them.

    It may well be a “fad”, and an unbelievably pervasive one, But it has really, destructive, life long consequences 

    And re a previous comment you made, no, surgery is not illegal for under 18s. 

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  10. James Lileks Contributor
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    Gary McVey (View Comment):

    In 1942, when the entire world was awash in genuinely brave, tough, resourceful fighting men, teenaged American girls swooned and fainted over non-combatant Frank Sinatra, who probably weighed in at 110 pounds. Teenage girls are not exactly a stable source of info. (Teenage boys are no great font of wisdom either.)

    To cite Lisa Simpson’s favorite magazine:

     

    Frankie needed to be fed and coddled. It was probably a tween thing. You have to wonder how much of Sinatra’s subsequent public persona was a reaction to being a national punchline, with every radio show making fun of his slightness.

     

     

     

     

    The problems that gays/lesbians face are very different from the ones that trans people, real or imagined, face. The 50th anniversary of the Stonewall Inn riot happened in 2019, and by now there was a claim that this event was driven by “trans women of color”, which is total garbage. It’s just not true.

    But it should be true, so it is. See also: the post about the statue of the military hero wearing ripped jeans and sneakers.

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  11. Annefy Member
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    We’re all assuming a lot – and in the information environment we find ourselves I think that’s unwise. What is the size of this issue? What specifically does it comprise? Without any numbers it’s a Rorschach test for everybody. And who benefits from that? Certainly not kids.

    I assume nothing and have formed my opinions based on personal experience. As it happens I know one 25 year old previous man now living as a woman (with hormone therapy), at least six young 20s females now taking testosterone, and two under-10s identifying as the opposite sex. 

    (for context I have four children aged 27-34)

    You know what’s weird? The only gay people I know are 30+. One friend had a lesbian daughter for awhile, but now she’s taken the testosterone route. 

    I was at a brunch recently. After a few bloody Mary’s I said to my gay table mate: it must suck to be gay now that no one cares. He replied: yeah, you ain’t nobody now unless you’re tranny. 

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  12. Gary McVey Contributor
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    Annefy (View Comment)  

    After a few bloody Marys, I said to my gay table mate: it must suck to be gay now that no one cares. He replied: yeah, you ain’t nobody now unless you’re tranny.  

    I have to say, that does have the ring of real life.

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  13. Annefy Member
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    Google Gender affirmation surgery. An awful lot of clinics and hospitals advertising

    ”Gender-affirming surgery is currently recommended for individuals aged at least 16 years of age but often ≥18 years. 12 Recent insurance database analysis and patient-reported outcome studies identified patients as young as 14 years old undergoing a gender-affirming mastectomy.”

    I read recently that the surgery is covered by your college health insurance policy and a lot of people feel pressured to get it done then

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  14. Annefy Member
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    Gary McVey (View Comment):

    Annefy (View Comment)

    After a few bloody Marys, I said to my gay table mate: it must suck to be gay now that no one cares. He replied: yeah, you ain’t nobody now unless you’re tranny.

    I have to say, that does have the ring of real life.

    Needless to say it was a fabulous brunch.

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  15. Zafar Member
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    Annefy (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Judge Mental (View Comment):

    If it’s not possible to ‘change’ or ‘convince’ or ‘groom’ kids into something other than what they would have chosen themselves then explain the Colorado Junior High School where suddenly one out of three girls reports being trans. Forget about the other words, what I see is indoctrination.

    What you’re seeing is a fad. Check back in five years and one in three will report being something else.

    Just keep rolling your eyes, Z. How many 20 year olds do you know who get prescribed testosterone after one doctor’s visit? They might well be reporting as something else in five years, but “mother” won’t be one of them.

    It may well be a “fad”, and an unbelievably pervasive one, But it has really, destructive, life long consequences

    And re a previous comment you made, no, surgery is not illegal for under 18s.

    https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/mar/05/viral-image/no-young-children-cannot-take-hormones-or-change-t/

    I don’t know any such 20 yos- but to be fair I don’t know many.

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  16. Hartmann von Aue Member
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    RightAngles (View Comment):

    Search for: 0

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    Well, that’s a new error for the site….I wonder if it will show up in my post.

    Anyway, the transgender movement does have a core value: Misogyny. A true hatred of and desire to exterminate the feminine is the deepest, essential and ineluctable motivation of transactivists. If a mutilated guy in a dress can replace a woman, then women are indeed deprived of their uniqueness, dignity and value as a class of human being. A hatred of reproduction, of human life itself is linked with this of course. They are the scifi/horror movie monsters that take away humanity of their victims and want to eliminate the species. 

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  17. Hartmann von Aue Member
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    Answer: Yup. It showed up in the post.

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  18. Annefy Member
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    Annefy (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Judge Mental (View Comment):

    If it’s not possible to ‘change’ or ‘convince’ or ‘groom’ kids into something other than what they would have chosen themselves then explain the Colorado Junior High School where suddenly one out of three girls reports being trans. Forget about the other words, what I see is indoctrination.

    What you’re seeing is a fad. Check back in five years and one in three will report being something else.

    Just keep rolling your eyes, Z. How many 20 year olds do you know who get prescribed testosterone after one doctor’s visit? They might well be reporting as something else in five years, but “mother” won’t be one of them.

    It may well be a “fad”, and an unbelievably pervasive one, But it has really, destructive, life long consequences

    And re a previous comment you made, no, surgery is not illegal for under 18s.

    https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/mar/05/viral-image/no-young-children-cannot-take-hormones-or-change-t/

    I don’t know any such 20 yos- but to be fair I don’t know many.

    Define “young”. Puberty blockers are taken before puberty – what the hell would be the point of giving puberty blockers  to a five year old? 

    And puberty is definitely prior to 18. 

    And don’t insult me with politifact 

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  19. RightAngles Member
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    Annefy (View Comment):

    And for the record, there are many reasons beyond insecurity in your own marriage to be against SSM.

    ………………………

    I am and always have been sympathetic to gay issues. But the marriage thing bothers me because a) it dilutes the traditional institution of marriage and the nuclear family which is the core of a strong and stable society. That isn’t to say they shouldn’t be able to have a legally recognized union of some kind. I just don’t like its being called marriage.

    and b) The law was passed on shaky Constitutional grounds.

    It’s fatuous and inappropriately nonchalant to try to act like it’s no big deal. And this liberal-created meme sure didn’t age well:

     

     

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  20. Zafar Member
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    Annefy (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Annefy (View Comment):

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    Judge Mental (View Comment):

    If it’s not possible to ‘change’ or ‘convince’ or ‘groom’ kids into something other than what they would have chosen themselves then explain the Colorado Junior High School where suddenly one out of three girls reports being trans. Forget about the other words, what I see is indoctrination.

    What you’re seeing is a fad. Check back in five years and one in three will report being something else.

    Just keep rolling your eyes, Z. How many 20 year olds do you know who get prescribed testosterone after one doctor’s visit? They might well be reporting as something else in five years, but “mother” won’t be one of them.

    It may well be a “fad”, and an unbelievably pervasive one, But it has really, destructive, life long consequences

    And re a previous comment you made, no, surgery is not illegal for under 18s.

    https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/mar/05/viral-image/no-young-children-cannot-take-hormones-or-change-t/

    I don’t know any such 20 yos- but to be fair I don’t know many.

    Define “young”. Puberty blockers are taken before puberty – what the hell would be the point of giving puberty blockers to a five year old?

    And puberty is definitely prior to 18.

    And don’t insult me with politifact

    Or with any facts.

    I don’t have the data Annefy.  If it was available maybe you would be less worried or maybe I would be more worried? Not discounting either possibility.

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    Doctor Robert (View Comment):

    Here’s some thoughts, hopefully wisdom, distilled from 37 years of practicing reproductive medicine.

    Normal men like to have sex with women. This can lead to a satisfying life.

    Normal women like to have sex with men. This too can lead to a satisfying life.

    Gay men like to have sex with other gay men. This also can lead to a satisfying life.

    Gay women like to have sex with other gay women. This also can lead to a satisfying life.

    Bisexual men and women are normal men and women who like to have sex with anyone. This too can lead to a deeply satisfying life. Note that the (presumably) bisexual trio illustrated does not require that the gentleman be bisexual, just polygamous.

    Transgendered men and women are deeply ill, are unhappy to be who they are and have unpredictable sexual preferences. This rarely leads to a satisfying life, because the pathology is so profound.

    I agree with this.

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  22. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    Doug Kimball (View Comment):

    The only thing to be conerned about in all of this is the rise of people confused about what they are. This is proof that grooming is working.

    Yup, 

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  23. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    Zafar (View Comment):

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    The only thing to be conerned about in all of this is the rise of people confused about what they are. This is proof that grooming is working.

    I’m really sceptical about this. If grooming worked I’d be straight, in fact there would be no gay men or lesbians (or bisexuals).

    I presume that grooming a young boy who is gay would require a seduction— or persuasion of some sort—by a female but there doesn’t seem to be a market for that.

    I’m using the term the ways it’s being used to describe normalising gay or trans identity in schools (with this strange assumption that this means turning straight kids gay, or turning kids trans). I agree that this is a somewhat manipulative use of the word, but anyway – if my parents could have brought me up to be straight they would have. I just don’t think telling kids there’s a possible way for them to be means they’ll turn out that way if they weren’t going to anyway. We have less control over these outcomes than many seem to believe. Imnsho.

    I might agree if we weren’t putting children on puberty blockers, to say nothing of surgery. Who knows what they were going to turn out to be if left alone?

    I think surgery before 18 is illegal. Is it really happening?

    Puberty blockers are troubling enough. Isn’t puberty important to mental and emotional development? This seems to treat it as an inconvenience, at best – but I’d be interested in seeing the reasoning behind it as well as how frequently it’s done.

    My sceptical side sees this as the equivalent of SSM as a political issue that galvanises both bases. Do you recall all those claims that SSM would undermine marriage – what, even, would marriage mean? But SSM happened and people woke up the next day and realised it hadn’t changed their own marriages at all. What a nothing burger that turned out to be.

    You are wrong on that.  Nobody thought it would fall apart the next day.  Just lose its value and people think it was valuable.  They were right, we now have SSM and nobody even cares to argue about it anymore.  Why should they?  It’s gone.

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    Zafar (View Comment):
    I don’t have the data Annefy.  If it was available maybe you would be less worried or maybe I would be more worried? Not discounting either possibility.

    The big concern here is how do you expect to accumulate this data? These chemical and surgical procedures are not reversible. The precipitous increase in teens, and lets be honest here is predominately girls (Abigail Shriver: Irreversible Damage.), has a strong correlation over the last decade+ to social media and the infectious nature of this information spread. It seems ‘let nature take its course’ is not just out of vogue but becoming illegal:

    “22 states enacted conversion therapy bans, making it impossible for therapists to offer trans-identified youth any alternative to transition; nearly every medical accrediting organization adopted “affirmative care,” solemnly promising to suspend all medical judgment and rubber-stamp transitions, even by minors” ~Abigail Shriver~ 

    Zafar (View Comment):
    What you’re seeing is a fad.  Check back in five years and one in three will report being something else.

    What you say here is true but must you be so glib? This isn’t bell-bottom jeans, mullets or pet rocks. Therapeutic responses have rapidly moved toward gender-affirmation at a pace that does not correlate to a change in psychological/mental health knowledge. No seminal breakthrough or RCTs exist to precipitate such change in treatment responses. The permanent nature of these procedures should dictate we move with an ‘abundance of caution’ not carelessly go where the tide takes us and ‘check back in five years’. 

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  25. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    RightAngles (View Comment):

    Annefy (View Comment):

    And for the record, there are many reasons beyond insecurity in your own marriage to be against SSM.

    ………………………

    I am and always have been sympathetic to gay issues. But the marriage thing bothers me because a) it dilutes the traditional institution of marriage and the nuclear family which is the core of a strong and stable society. That isn’t to say they shouldn’t be able to have a legally recognized union of some kind. I just don’t like its being called marriage.

    and b) The law was passed on shaky Constitutional grounds.

    It’s fatuous and inappropriately nonchalant to try to act like it’s no big deal. And this liberal-created meme sure didn’t age well:

    Funny, all seem to be occurring

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    Vance Richards
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    TheRightNurse: Trans movements are erasing homosexuality.  If there is no gender or it is how you feel or it is fluid, then there can be no protections based upon gender or sexual orientation since it can be changed at any moment.

    Saw an interesting opinion piece suggesting the trans movement is “The New Homophobia” Not sure how much I agree with the article but it is worth a read.

    Activists who favor medical intervention often ask these parents a morbid question: “Would you rather have a trans daughter or a dead son?” But the real question should be, “Would you rather have a trans daughter or an effeminate gay son?” I fear that for many, if they were honest, the answer would be the former.

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  27. The Scarecrow Thatcher
    The Scarecrow
    @TheScarecrow

    Richard Easton (View Comment):

    The insanity is getting worse.

    Where is the fetus going to gestate – you going to keep it in a box?!

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  28. Stina Member
    Stina
    @CM

    Zafar (View Comment):

    We’re all assuming a lot – and in the information environment we find ourselves I think that’s unwise. What is the size of this issue? What specifically does it comprise? Without any numbers it’s a Rorschach test for everybody. And who benefits from that? Certainly not kids.

    What is unwise is sacrificing perfectly healthy bodies on some new dangled (and idiotic) ideology.

    Artificial hormones are already known to cause issues in sex drive, attitude, depression, and aggression. Also, long term use may be tied to infertility – and we know these things from performance steroids and birth control.

    There’s a need for artificial hormones to support the body’s healthy regulation of proper functions – your body doesn’t produce enough testosterone to promote a healthy metabolism? Supplement. You had thyroid cancer and can’t regulate or produce hormones, supplement. Puberty onset at 8? Let’s forestall that a few more years to 11. Maybe?

    But if your 13 year old is hitting puberty and everything is normal, puberty blockers are preventing normal development.

    The onus is on those who want to do this to show it is beneficial. It is not on us to show it is detrimental to make it stop. We are advocating for the healthy functioning of the body. The Queer Activists are advocating for preventing the healthy functioning and even outright destroying it because some of them wish they had less muscle mass and were shorter as adults. That is not ok.

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  29. Vance Richards Inactive
    Vance Richards
    @VanceRichards

    The Scarecrow (View Comment):

    Richard Easton (View Comment):

    The insanity is getting worse.

    Where is the fetus going to gestate – you going to keep it in a box?!

    This is where I can’t keep up. When people first started talking about pronouns, I thought the issue was, if a guy wants to call himself a woman then call him “She.” But then they came up with calling an individual “they” (My name is Legion; for we are many) or any made up combination of letters and we are all to play along and not even suggest institutionalization.

    Then you had “birthing person” which, I hastily assumed was a way to include pregnant women who don’t want to be called women. But now they are saying that a biological male, with all male parts, can be a “birthing person” and we are to ignore the fact that he can’t actually birth anything. Which opening is the midwife to pretend the child will come out if?

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  30. Annefy Member
    Annefy
    @Annefy

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Annefy (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Annefy (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Judge Mental (View Comment):

    If it’s not possible to ‘change’ or ‘convince’ or ‘groom’ kids into something other than what they would have chosen themselves then explain the Colorado Junior High School where suddenly one out of three girls reports being trans. Forget about the other words, what I see is indoctrination.

    What you’re seeing is a fad. Check back in five years and one in three will report being something else.

    Just keep rolling your eyes, Z. How many 20 year olds do you know who get prescribed testosterone after one doctor’s visit? They might well be reporting as something else in five years, but “mother” won’t be one of them.

    It may well be a “fad”, and an unbelievably pervasive one, But it has really, destructive, life long consequences

    And re a previous comment you made, no, surgery is not illegal for under 18s.

    https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/mar/05/viral-image/no-young-children-cannot-take-hormones-or-change-t/

    I don’t know any such 20 yos- but to be fair I don’t know many.

    Define “young”. Puberty blockers are taken before puberty – what the hell would be the point of giving puberty blockers to a five year old?

    And puberty is definitely prior to 18.

    And don’t insult me with politifact

    Or with any facts.

    I don’t have the data Annefy. If it was available maybe you would be less worried or maybe I would be more worried? Not discounting either possibility.

    As previously mentioned, I have much experience on the issue of transgenders. And my experience has left me to be very, very worried. And angry. 

    And circling back to the Post, in my humble opinion, I find “transgenderism” (is that what we’re calling it?) to be at its heart, homophobic. And TRN is correct, ditto with bixsexuals. Gay young people are now being convinced that they’re not gay; instead they’ve been born in the wrong body and need medical intervention.

    My gay friends are appropriately appalled at what they see being done to young people.

     

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