Russia Invades Ukraine

 

In a speech Wednesday night, Russian President Vladimir Putin announced a “special military operation,” followed immediately by troops entering Ukraine and large explosions throughout the country.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky confirmed the attack and declared martial law. Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba called it a “full-scale invasion,” adding, “Peaceful Ukrainian cities are under strikes. This is a war of aggression. Ukraine will defend itself and will win. The world can and must stop Putin. The time to act is now.”

Putin strenuously warned against international meddling. “To anyone who would consider interfering from the outside: if you do, you will face consequences greater than any you have faced in history,” he said. “All relevant decisions have been taken.”

President Biden issued a statement: “The prayers of the entire world are with the people of Ukraine tonight as they suffer an unprovoked and unjustified attack by Russian military forces.” He added that he will consult with the leaders of the G7 on Thursday and promised “severe sanctions.”

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  1. Miffed White Male Member
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     Does Ukraine have any A-10s?

     

    • #181
  2. Kozak Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Cut Russia off from the banking system?

    Of course. Russia’s economy is about the size of Italy’s. And mainly based on commodity exports.  We can throttle them.

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Ramp up our own oil and gas for the world market?  

    If the idiot Biden admin hadn’t throttled it we could still be an oil and gas exporting nation. Now we have to make up a self imposed wound there. Today I paid 50 dollars for a fill up. Can’t remember the last time it was so expensive.

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
     Supply non-lethal supplies like food and medicine to Ukraine?  

    Screw that. That was the Obama Biden aid.  MRE’s and blankets.  Send them anti tank and anti air missiles.  Land mines.  Armor.  Helicopters.  

    Russia will no doubt take a big bite.  I hope the Ukrainians give them indigestion for a decade.

    • #182
  3. Kozak Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    After the Soviet Union dissolved, Ukraine was suddenly the third largest nuclear nation.  There was a four way agreement with the U.S., U.K., Russia and Ukraine that Ukraine’s nukes would be transferred to Russia, and guaranteeing Ukraine’s sovereignty.  What are our obligations under that agreement?

    Not worth the paper it was printed on. Was not a treaty. So basically the Ukrainians were suckered.

    • #183
  4. kedavis Coolidge
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    Kozak (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    After the Soviet Union dissolved, Ukraine was suddenly the third largest nuclear nation. There was a four way agreement with the U.S., U.K., Russia and Ukraine that Ukraine’s nukes would be transferred to Russia, and guaranteeing Ukraine’s sovereignty. What are our obligations under that agreement?

    Not worth the paper it was printed on. Was not a treaty. So basically the Ukrainians were suckered.

    Even if it was a treaty, that doesn’t mean Biden would act on it.

    • #184
  5. MiMac Thatcher
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    Kozak (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    No more countries admitted to NATO. Wasn’t that a really old agreement with Russia?

    After further research, I see that’s a highly contested statement by both sides as to whether an agreement existed.

    There was very definitely an agreement by “the west” to guarantee Ukraine’s borders in exchange for them giving up their soviet-era nukes.

    How’s that working out for them?

     

     

    Taiwan and South Korea should be working on their own nukes now.

    BTW- not just Taiwan & So Korea-if I were Japan I have the pieces conveniently lying around for a dozen nukes. Poles have got to be thinking about it as well. Add that to Iran (which Biden practically wants to gift a nuke) and the Saudis etc…

    • #185
  6. Miffed White Male Member
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    Kozak (View Comment):
    If the idiot Biden admin hadn’t throttled it we could still be an oil and gas exporting nation. Now we have to make up a self imposed wound there. Today I paid 50 dollars for a fill up. Can’t remember the last time it was so expensive.

    Last time I payed as much as todays locally posted gas price ($3.249) was October 3rd, 2014 ($3.289).

    • #186
  7. kedavis Coolidge
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):
    If the idiot Biden admin hadn’t throttled it we could still be an oil and gas exporting nation. Now we have to make up a self imposed wound there. Today I paid 50 dollars for a fill up. Can’t remember the last time it was so expensive.

    Last time I payed as much as todays locally posted gas price ($3.249) was October 3rd, 2014 ($3.289).

    When I left Arizona in August of 2020, it was $1.68 in Alamogordo.  I saved the receipt as a memento.

    • #187
  8. Locke On Member
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    Kozak (View Comment):

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    Stina (View Comment):

    No more countries admitted to NATO. Wasn’t that a really old agreement with Russia?

    After further research, I see that’s a highly contested statement by both sides as to whether an agreement existed.

    There was very definitely an agreement by “the west” to guarantee Ukraine’s borders in exchange for them giving up their soviet-era nukes.

    How’s that working out for them?

     

     

    Taiwan and South Korea should be working on their own nukes now.

    I suspect there are some interesting conversations happening among the Japan, SK and Taiwan defense and industrial ministries about now.  A determined nuclear breakout effort among them wouldn’t take long to produce some form of viable weapon.  Japan and SK already have indigenous ability to produce missiles and high performance aircraft.

    • #188
  9. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):
    If the idiot Biden admin hadn’t throttled it we could still be an oil and gas exporting nation. Now we have to make up a self imposed wound there. Today I paid 50 dollars for a fill up. Can’t remember the last time it was so expensive.

    Last time I payed as much as todays locally posted gas price ($3.249) was October 3rd, 2014 ($3.289).

    It’s $3.39 here today. [REDACTED] Joe Biden.

    • #189
  10. Gary Robbins Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

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    Europe is probably longing for Trump right now.

    Perhaps. But according to John Bolton’s memoir of his time as Trump’s National Security Advisor, Donald Trump was not a consistent supporter of Ukrainian sovereignty.

    Ukraine isn’t even a consistent supporter of their sovereignty. Who are they? Heritage Russians or the US’s puppets? Seems to be they can’t figure it out amongst themselves.

    They are a nation of 40 million people who have been able to keep their national identity despite 400 years of Tsarist oppression, followed by 75 years of Soviet oppression including a famine that caused millions of deaths. They have their own identity, language, culture, and just want to be left in peace.

    Kozak,

    What should we do? Cut Russia off from the banking system? Ramp up our own oil and gas for the world market? Supply non-lethal supplies like food and medicine to Ukraine? Supply lethal arms to Ukraine? I am asking, not advocating, as you are much closer to being an authority than me.

    Gary

    Hmm.

    These are all very Trumpian things to suggest, Gary.

    The election is over. The question is what to do now?

    You voted for the opposite of this foreign policy, Gary. This was what we were doing. You voted against it.

    Bryan, you remind me of the person who is grievously injured in a car accident, and instead of getting to the hospital, wants to argue that the accident was someone else’s fault.

    I repeat, what should we do now?

    With you, not let you forget you voted for Biden until you admit, without reservation or demand, that you were wrong to do so. Do that, and I’ll forgive you, but until then, I will hang everything Biden does around your unrepentant neck.

    What is funny here, Gary, is basically, you are making the same argument Clinton did “At this point, what does it matter?”

    It matters Gary. It matters.

    Let me see if I understand this correctly.  Regardless of the issue, if I comment on anything, you will yell “But you voted for Biden!”  Do I have that correctly?  

     

    • #190
  11. Gary Robbins Member
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    Kozak (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    No more countries admitted to NATO. Wasn’t that a really old agreement with Russia?

    After further research, I see that’s a highly contested statement by both sides as to whether an agreement existed.

    There was very definitely an agreement by “the west” to guarantee Ukraine’s borders in exchange for them giving up their soviet-era nukes.

    How’s that working out for them?

     

     

    Taiwan and South Korea should be working on their own nukes now.

    And Japan?

    • #191
  12. kedavis Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

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    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Europe is probably longing for Trump right now.

    Perhaps. But according to John Bolton’s memoir of his time as Trump’s National Security Advisor, Donald Trump was not a consistent supporter of Ukrainian sovereignty.

    Ukraine isn’t even a consistent supporter of their sovereignty. Who are they? Heritage Russians or the US’s puppets? Seems to be they can’t figure it out amongst themselves.

    They are a nation of 40 million people who have been able to keep their national identity despite 400 years of Tsarist oppression, followed by 75 years of Soviet oppression including a famine that caused millions of deaths. They have their own identity, language, culture, and just want to be left in peace.

    Kozak,

    What should we do? Cut Russia off from the banking system? Ramp up our own oil and gas for the world market? Supply non-lethal supplies like food and medicine to Ukraine? Supply lethal arms to Ukraine? I am asking, not advocating, as you are much closer to being an authority than me.

    Gary

    Hmm.

    These are all very Trumpian things to suggest, Gary.

    The election is over. The question is what to do now?

    You voted for the opposite of this foreign policy, Gary. This was what we were doing. You voted against it.

    Bryan, you remind me of the person who is grievously injured in a car accident, and instead of getting to the hospital, wants to argue that the accident was someone else’s fault.

    I repeat, what should we do now?

    With you, not let you forget you voted for Biden until you admit, without reservation or demand, that you were wrong to do so. Do that, and I’ll forgive you, but until then, I will hang everything Biden does around your unrepentant neck.

    What is funny here, Gary, is basically, you are making the same argument Clinton did “At this point, what does it matter?”

    It matters Gary. It matters.

    Let me see if I understand this correctly. Regardless of the issue, if I comment on anything, you will yell “But you voted for Biden!” Do I have that correctly?

    Not necessarily anything, but if you claim to believe or support something that you voted against, I’d call that fair game.

    • #192
  13. Gary Robbins Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

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    Europe is probably longing for Trump right now.

    Perhaps. But according to John Bolton’s memoir of his time as Trump’s National Security Advisor, Donald Trump was not a consistent supporter of Ukrainian sovereignty.

    Ukraine isn’t even a consistent supporter of their sovereignty. Who are they? Heritage Russians or the US’s puppets? Seems to be they can’t figure it out amongst themselves.

    They are a nation of 40 million people who have been able to keep their national identity despite 400 years of Tsarist oppression, followed by 75 years of Soviet oppression including a famine that caused millions of deaths. They have their own identity, language, culture, and just want to be left in peace.

    Kozak,

    What should we do? Cut Russia off from the banking system? Ramp up our own oil and gas for the world market? Supply non-lethal supplies like food and medicine to Ukraine? Supply lethal arms to Ukraine? I am asking, not advocating, as you are much closer to being an authority than me.

    Gary

    Hmm.

    These are all very Trumpian things to suggest, Gary.

    The election is over. The question is what to do now?

    You voted for the opposite of this foreign policy, Gary. This was what we were doing. You voted against it.

    Bryan, you remind me of the person who is grievously injured in a car accident, and instead of getting to the hospital, wants to argue that the accident was someone else’s fault.

    I repeat, what should we do now?

    With you, not let you forget you voted for Biden until you admit, without reservation or demand, that you were wrong to do so. Do that, and I’ll forgive you, but until then, I will hang everything Biden does around your unrepentant neck.

    What is funny here, Gary, is basically, you are making the same argument Clinton did “At this point, what does it matter?”

    It matters Gary. It matters.

    Let me see if I understand this correctly. Regardless of the issue, if I comment on anything, you will yell “But you voted for Biden!” Do I have that correctly?

    Not necessarily anything, but if you claim to believe or support something that you voted against, I’d call that fair game.

    That is your prerogative, but if the question is “what should we do now?” the charge that someone voted for Biden, Trump, or Gary Johnson makes little difference unless you have a magical time machine, and that person controlled some 35 electoral college votes.  I doubt that you have such magical powers.

    I suggest that derailing a thread to vent your spleen is not a useful use of your time, and harms the Ricochet Community, especially if a post is on the Main Feed.  Do you really think that attracting new members is served by denigrating current members?

    • #193
  14. Hoyacon Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    That is your prerogative, but if the question is “what should we do now?” the charge that someone voted for Biden, Trump, or Gary Johnson makes little difference unless you have a magical time machine, and that person controlled some 35 electoral college votes. I doubt that you have such magical powers.

    My perspective on “what should we do now” is based on many years studying foreign policy–in particular the policy of containment.

    I think that now we should regularly and consistently be diligent in reminding those who voted for Biden that they did so.  Ever vigilant.

    • #194
  15. Hang On Member
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    If the Russians take Kiev, what documents are they going to find on the Bidens’ shady dealings? Will the Russians be able to blackmail POTUS? I can hear the 58 retired CIA and other spooks screaming it’s all Russian disinformation.

    Will London (the City) crackdown on the Russian oligarchs? The amount of property, companies and football clubs the Russians own in London is rather staggering. They also make regular contributions to the monarchy’s charities, the Labour Party and the Conservative Party. It will be interesting to note if they clean up their act. But I wouldn’t hold my breath ’cause I think everyone in power is going to want this to blow over ASAP. (There are also more than a few properties in New York, LA, etc. also owned by Russian oligarchs. Our problem is with the Chinese, not the Russians.)

    With inflation of 7% and an increase in defense spending of 2%, is there going to be an increase in the defense budget?

    We’ve spent a lot of money sending equipment to Ukraine, an extremely corrupt country. How’s that equipment doing?

    There is a bill in the Senate to decrease Chinese tariffs and to make it so that tariffs can’t be raised on the Chicoms the way Trump raised them. It’s a bipartisan bill with lots of GOP senators rattling around in Chinese pockets. Thank you, Chamber of Commerce. Can we finally get serious?

     

     

    • #195
  16. kedavis Coolidge
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    Europe is probably longing for Trump right now.

    Perhaps. But according to John Bolton’s memoir of his time as Trump’s National Security Advisor, Donald Trump was not a consistent supporter of Ukrainian sovereignty.

    Ukraine isn’t even a consistent supporter of their sovereignty. Who are they? Heritage Russians or the US’s puppets? Seems to be they can’t figure it out amongst themselves.

    They are a nation of 40 million people who have been able to keep their national identity despite 400 years of Tsarist oppression, followed by 75 years of Soviet oppression including a famine that caused millions of deaths. They have their own identity, language, culture, and just want to be left in peace.

    Kozak,

    What should we do? Cut Russia off from the banking system? Ramp up our own oil and gas for the world market? Supply non-lethal supplies like food and medicine to Ukraine? Supply lethal arms to Ukraine? I am asking, not advocating, as you are much closer to being an authority than me.

    Gary

    Hmm.

    These are all very Trumpian things to suggest, Gary.

    The election is over. The question is what to do now?

    You voted for the opposite of this foreign policy, Gary. This was what we were doing. You voted against it.

    Bryan, you remind me of the person who is grievously injured in a car accident, and instead of getting to the hospital, wants to argue that the accident was someone else’s fault.

    I repeat, what should we do now?

    With you, not let you forget you voted for Biden until you admit, without reservation or demand, that you were wrong to do so. Do that, and I’ll forgive you, but until then, I will hang everything Biden does around your unrepentant neck.

    What is funny here, Gary, is basically, you are making the same argument Clinton did “At this point, what does it matter?”

    It matters Gary. It matters.

    Let me see if I understand this correctly. Regardless of the issue, if I comment on anything, you will yell “But you voted for Biden!” Do I have that correctly?

    Not necessarily anything, but if you claim to believe or support something that you voted against, I’d call that fair game.

    That is your prerogative, but if the question is “what should we do now?” the charge that someone voted for Biden, Trump, or Gary Johnson makes little difference unless you have a magical time machine, and that person controlled some 35 electoral college votes. I doubt that you have such magical powers.

    I suggest that derailing a thread to vent your spleen is not a useful use of your time, and harms the Ricochet Community, especially if a post is on the Main Feed. Do you really think that attracting new members is served by denigrating current members?

    It’s all part of the same thing, really.  People who know you voted for Biden may not feel inclined to engage with you on “what should we do now?” and if you make suggestions of your own they should certainly consider that you also thought it was a good idea to vote for Biden and to evaluate your other ideas accordingly.

    • #196
  17. kedavis Coolidge
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    Hang On (View Comment):
    If the Russians take Kiev, what documents are they going to find on the Bidens’ shady dealings? Will the Russians be able to blackmail POTUS? I can hear the 58 retired CIA and other spooks screaming it’s all Russian disinformation.

    I remember hearing something about a lot of smoke coming from the Russian embassies in Ukraine, as if a lot of documents were being disposed of.  Maybe there was also smoke coming from Ukrainian offices where the Biden kompromat was stored?

    • #197
  18. The Reticulator Member
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    Ekosj (View Comment):
    Putin doesn’t want his concerns addressed.   He wants Ukraine.   Period  

    For the most part Putin is not going to share his concerns with us, because it wouldn’t reflect well on him. But they are concerns that are common to most thuggish dictators. 

    • #198
  19. The Reticulator Member
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    Ekosj (View Comment):
    NATO had better very quickly start thinking about Poland and Lithuania.   The Russian oblast of Kaliningrad sits on the coast and is surrounded on its land-side by Poland and Lithuania.    Putin’s historical manifesto in July about Ukraine points to The historic enmity between Russia and the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth.    Putin also blames Poland for starting WW2.  So I’d expect to start hearing Putin bemoaning the fate of the cutoff Russians of Kaliningrad and the need to unite them with their brethren.

    And we need to ask where the vaunted protector of the motherland was when Alexei Navalny needed protection. Or when Boris Nemtsov or Anna Politkovskaya needed protection. What about the fate of those cutoff Russins.

    • #199
  20. Steven Seward Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

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    Kozak (View Comment):
    If the idiot Biden admin hadn’t throttled it we could still be an oil and gas exporting nation. Now we have to make up a self imposed wound there. Today I paid 50 dollars for a fill up. Can’t remember the last time it was so expensive.

    Last time I payed as much as todays locally posted gas price ($3.249) was October 3rd, 2014 ($3.289).

    When I left Arizona in August of 2020, it was $1.68 in Alamogordo. I saved the receipt as a memento.

    My best was $1.72 in Cleveland a couple years ago.

    • #200
  21. Percival Thatcher
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    Hang On (View Comment):
    If the Russians take Kiev, what documents are they going to find on the Bidens’ shady dealings? Will the Russians be able to blackmail POTUS? I can hear the 58 retired CIA and other spooks screaming it’s all Russian disinformation.

    The Russians have Hunter’s laptop. The Chinese don’t need Hunter’s laptop. They have the details of every deal he made on their soil, and probably more besides.

    • #201
  22. Concretevol Thatcher
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    Europe is probably longing for Trump right now.

    Perhaps. But according to John Bolton’s memoir of his time as Trump’s National Security Advisor, Donald Trump was not a consistent supporter of Ukrainian sovereignty.

    Ukraine isn’t even a consistent supporter of their sovereignty. Who are they? Heritage Russians or the US’s puppets? Seems to be they can’t figure it out amongst themselves.

    They are a nation of 40 million people who have been able to keep their national identity despite 400 years of Tsarist oppression, followed by 75 years of Soviet oppression including a famine that caused millions of deaths. They have their own identity, language, culture, and just want to be left in peace.

    Kozak,

    What should we do? Cut Russia off from the banking system? Ramp up our own oil and gas for the world market? Supply non-lethal supplies like food and medicine to Ukraine? Supply lethal arms to Ukraine? I am asking, not advocating, as you are much closer to being an authority than me.

    Gary

    Hmm.

    These are all very Trumpian things to suggest, Gary.

    The election is over. The question is what to do now?

    You voted for the opposite of this foreign policy, Gary. This was what we were doing. You voted against it.

    Bryan, you remind me of the person who is grievously injured in a car accident, and instead of getting to the hospital, wants to argue that the accident was someone else’s fault.

    I repeat, what should we do now?

    With you, not let you forget you voted for Biden until you admit, without reservation or demand, that you were wrong to do so. Do that, and I’ll forgive you, but until then, I will hang everything Biden does around your unrepentant neck.

    What is funny here, Gary, is basically, you are making the same argument Clinton did “At this point, what does it matter?”

    It matters Gary. It matters.

    Let me see if I understand this correctly. Regardless of the issue, if I comment on anything, you will yell “But you voted for Biden!” Do I have that correctly?

    Not necessarily anything, but if you claim to believe or support something that you voted against, I’d call that fair game.

    That is your prerogative, but if the question is “what should we do now?” the charge that someone voted for Biden, Trump, or Gary Johnson makes little difference unless you have a magical time machine, and that person controlled some 35 electoral college votes. I doubt that you have such magical powers.

    I suggest that derailing a thread to vent your spleen is not a useful use of your time, and harms the Ricochet Community, especially if a post is on the Main Feed. Do you really think that attracting new members is served by denigrating current members?

    Another way the cult has copied the progs………dissent will not be tolerated.  You don’t go along with the hive, you cannot have a valid opinion ever again.

    • #202
  23. Django Member
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):
    If the idiot Biden admin hadn’t throttled it we could still be an oil and gas exporting nation. Now we have to make up a self imposed wound there. Today I paid 50 dollars for a fill up. Can’t remember the last time it was so expensive.

    Last time I payed as much as todays locally posted gas price ($3.249) was October 3rd, 2014 ($3.289).

    $5.29 when I filled up today. 

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  24. Django Member
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    These are all very Trumpian things to suggest, Gary.

    The election is over. The question is what to do now?

    You voted for the opposite of this foreign policy, Gary. This was what we were doing. You voted against it.

    Bryan, you remind me of the person who is grievously injured in a car accident, and instead of getting to the hospital, wants to argue that the accident was someone else’s fault.

    I repeat, what should we do now?

    With you, not let you forget you voted for Biden until you admit, without reservation or demand, that you were wrong to do so. Do that, and I’ll forgive you, but until then, I will hang everything Biden does around your unrepentant neck.

    What is funny here, Gary, is basically, you are making the same argument Clinton did “At this point, what does it matter?”

    It matters Gary. It matters.

    Let me see if I understand this correctly. Regardless of the issue, if I comment on anything, you will yell “But you voted for Biden!” Do I have that correctly?

    Not necessarily anything, but if you claim to believe or support something that you voted against, I’d call that fair game.

    That is your prerogative, but if the question is “what should we do now?” the charge that someone voted for Biden, Trump, or Gary Johnson makes little difference unless you have a magical time machine, and that person controlled some 35 electoral college votes. I doubt that you have such magical powers.

    I suggest that derailing a thread to vent your spleen is not a useful use of your time, and harms the Ricochet Community, especially if a post is on the Main Feed. Do you really think that attracting new members is served by denigrating current members?

    If venting his spleen keeps the … uh  … people who voted for Slow Joe from even considering doing it again in 2024 when Trump is again Slow Joe’s opponent, the venting will have served its Noble Purpose. 

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  25. kedavis Coolidge
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    Europe is probably longing for Trump right now.

    Perhaps. But according to John Bolton’s memoir of his time as Trump’s National Security Advisor, Donald Trump was not a consistent supporter of Ukrainian sovereignty.

    Ukraine isn’t even a consistent supporter of their sovereignty. Who are they? Heritage Russians or the US’s puppets? Seems to be they can’t figure it out amongst themselves.

    They are a nation of 40 million people who have been able to keep their national identity despite 400 years of Tsarist oppression, followed by 75 years of Soviet oppression including a famine that caused millions of deaths. They have their own identity, language, culture, and just want to be left in peace.

    Kozak,

    What should we do? Cut Russia off from the banking system? Ramp up our own oil and gas for the world market? Supply non-lethal supplies like food and medicine to Ukraine? Supply lethal arms to Ukraine? I am asking, not advocating, as you are much closer to being an authority than me.

    Gary

    Hmm.

    These are all very Trumpian things to suggest, Gary.

    The election is over. The question is what to do now?

    You voted for the opposite of this foreign policy, Gary. This was what we were doing. You voted against it.

    Bryan, you remind me of the person who is grievously injured in a car accident, and instead of getting to the hospital, wants to argue that the accident was someone else’s fault.

    I repeat, what should we do now?

    With you, not let you forget you voted for Biden until you admit, without reservation or demand, that you were wrong to do so. Do that, and I’ll forgive you, but until then, I will hang everything Biden does around your unrepentant neck.

    What is funny here, Gary, is basically, you are making the same argument Clinton did “At this point, what does it matter?”

    It matters Gary. It matters.

    Let me see if I understand this correctly. Regardless of the issue, if I comment on anything, you will yell “But you voted for Biden!” Do I have that correctly?

    Not necessarily anything, but if you claim to believe or support something that you voted against, I’d call that fair game.

    That is your prerogative, but if the question is “what should we do now?” the charge that someone voted for Biden, Trump, or Gary Johnson makes little difference unless you have a magical time machine, and that person controlled some 35 electoral college votes. I doubt that you have such magical powers.

    I suggest that derailing a thread to vent your spleen is not a useful use of your time, and harms the Ricochet Community, especially if a post is on the Main Feed. Do you really think that attracting new members is served by denigrating current members?

    Another way the cult has copied the progs………dissent will not be tolerated. You don’t go along with the hive, you cannot have a valid opinion ever again.

    I can see a difference between having an opinion and voting for Biden.  Can’t you?  Especially the way things have been going.

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    Wow.

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  28. Randy Weivoda Moderator
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    Europe is probably longing for Trump right now.

    Perhaps. But according to John Bolton’s memoir of his time as Trump’s National Security Advisor, Donald Trump was not a consistent supporter of Ukrainian sovereignty.

    Whereas Biden is their rock and their strength? I agree with Seward.

    Not at all.  You are reading words between the lines that are not there.

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  29. Gary Robbins Member
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    These are all very Trumpian things to suggest, Gary.

    The election is over. The question is what to do now?

    You voted for the opposite of this foreign policy, Gary. This was what we were doing. You voted against it.

    Bryan, you remind me of the person who is grievously injured in a car accident, and instead of getting to the hospital, wants to argue that the accident was someone else’s fault.

    I repeat, what should we do now?

    With you, not let you forget you voted for Biden until you admit, without reservation or demand, that you were wrong to do so. Do that, and I’ll forgive you, but until then, I will hang everything Biden does around your unrepentant neck.

    What is funny here, Gary, is basically, you are making the same argument Clinton did “At this point, what does it matter?”

    It matters Gary. It matters.

    Let me see if I understand this correctly. Regardless of the issue, if I comment on anything, you will yell “But you voted for Biden!” Do I have that correctly?

    Not necessarily anything, but if you claim to believe or support something that you voted against, I’d call that fair game.

    That is your prerogative, but if the question is “what should we do now?” the charge that someone voted for Biden, Trump, or Gary Johnson makes little difference unless you have a magical time machine, and that person controlled some 35 electoral college votes. I doubt that you have such magical powers.

    I suggest that derailing a thread to vent your spleen is not a useful use of your time, and harms the Ricochet Community, especially if a post is on the Main Feed. Do you really think that attracting new members is served by denigrating current members?

    If venting his spleen keeps the … uh … people who voted for Slow Joe from even considering doing it again in 2024 when Trump is again Slow Joe’s opponent, the venting will have served its Noble Purpose.

    I will vote for any Republican (other than Trump or DJTJ) over any Democrat, and I will vote for damn near any Democrat over Trump or DJTJ.  You might want to consider that when nominating a Republican in 2024.  Most mules learn after being hit over the head with a 2X4.

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  30. kedavis Coolidge
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    These are all very Trumpian things to suggest, Gary.

    The election is over. The question is what to do now?

    You voted for the opposite of this foreign policy, Gary. This was what we were doing. You voted against it.

    Bryan, you remind me of the person who is grievously injured in a car accident, and instead of getting to the hospital, wants to argue that the accident was someone else’s fault.

    I repeat, what should we do now?

    With you, not let you forget you voted for Biden until you admit, without reservation or demand, that you were wrong to do so. Do that, and I’ll forgive you, but until then, I will hang everything Biden does around your unrepentant neck.

    What is funny here, Gary, is basically, you are making the same argument Clinton did “At this point, what does it matter?”

    It matters Gary. It matters.

    Let me see if I understand this correctly. Regardless of the issue, if I comment on anything, you will yell “But you voted for Biden!” Do I have that correctly?

    Not necessarily anything, but if you claim to believe or support something that you voted against, I’d call that fair game.

    That is your prerogative, but if the question is “what should we do now?” the charge that someone voted for Biden, Trump, or Gary Johnson makes little difference unless you have a magical time machine, and that person controlled some 35 electoral college votes. I doubt that you have such magical powers.

    I suggest that derailing a thread to vent your spleen is not a useful use of your time, and harms the Ricochet Community, especially if a post is on the Main Feed. Do you really think that attracting new members is served by denigrating current members?

    If venting his spleen keeps the … uh … people who voted for Slow Joe from even considering doing it again in 2024 when Trump is again Slow Joe’s opponent, the venting will have served its Noble Purpose.

    I will vote for any Republican (other than Trump or DJTJ) over any Democrat, and I will vote for damn near any Democrat over Trump or DJTJ. You might want to consider that when nominating a Republican in 2024. Most mules learn after being hit over the head with a 2X4.

    But not you, the Biden voter.

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