According to Robert F. Kennedy Jr, the CDC (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) which approves new vaccines, allows employees to receive up to $150,000 from vaccine manufacturers. The manufacturers are exempt from safety testing and are not held liable for injury claims. Yet while most people born before the late ’90s were required to take 3-4 vaccines as a child, nowadays kids must take over 70(!), many not tested. Pharmaceutical companies are generating over $50 Billion a year providing medicine just to handle the side effects. The government is spending billions to settle cases instead of vaccine manufacturers. What is going on here??? Robert discusses why he’s NOT an anti-Vaxxer, labeled by the media and some in his own family. @23:30 We discuss RFK working with President Trump on vaccines and autism. – @36:35 Robert’s view about today’s Democrat party and the difference between today’s Left and his Uncle and Father. Learn much more at https://childrenshealthdefense.org/.

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  1. EHerring Coolidge

    Wow. I am rethinking all my opinions about the CDC and vaccines after listening to this. If his suspicions are true, then this is a big scandal and black mark against government bureaucrats and drug companies.

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    • January 18, 2020, at 9:35 AM PST
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  2. Dave Sussman Podcaster

    EHerring (View Comment):

    Wow. I am rethinking all my opinions about the CDC and vaccines after listening to this. If his suspicions are true, then this is a big scandal and black mark against government bureaucrats and drug companies.

    After going in skeptical to a 2 hour dissertation with RFK and respected Drs who showed charts my head was spinning!

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    • January 18, 2020, at 11:45 AM PST
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  3. MarciN Member

    Very informative talk.

    I trust Donald Trump implicitly to look into the vaccine safety and approval issues. I was pleased when he mentioned his concerns during the New Hampshire debates in 2016. He and his advisers will be careful to not spread unnecessary alarm yet find ways to ensure a safe drug supply.

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    • January 18, 2020, at 1:25 PM PST
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  4. MarciN Member

    Just as an aside, years ago I read RFK’s 2003 article in The Atlantic Monthly in which he laid out his defense of his cousin Michael Skakel. It was troubling to read it. Apparently, RFK’s article and subsequent book about this case will be made into a television series. As well it should.

    He is both an excellent writer and lawyer.

    • #4
    • January 18, 2020, at 2:17 PM PST
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  5. EHerring Coolidge

    Dave Sussman (View Comment):

    EHerring (View Comment):

    Wow. I am rethinking all my opinions about the CDC and vaccines after listening to this. If his suspicions are true, then this is a big scandal and black mark against government bureaucrats and drug companies.

    After going in skeptical to a 2 hour dissertation with RFK and respected Drs who showed charts my head was spinning!

    Both my daughters are chemists who deal with the FDA re pharmaceuticals. They are skeptics because of the stringent requirements. I pointed out that there are a lot of good people in DOJ and the FBI but that didn’t stop corruption at the top. The extreme anti-vaxers and their false accusations haven’t been helpful.

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    • January 18, 2020, at 7:18 PM PST
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  6. Ontheleftcoast Member

    Apropos of nothing, one of the reasons research on antibiotics is underfunded is that you don’t make money from selling a drug that cures a disease in a few days or weeks of treatment. You make money selling drugs to treat diseases that people have for the rest of their lives.

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    • January 18, 2020, at 9:22 PM PST
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  7. The Cloaked Gaijin Member

    Wikipedia seems to indicate that Kennedy is against all forms of energy production including the hydrogen car initiative — just about everything I guess except perhaps solar power.

    If you want kids not to have peanut allergies, expose them or their mothers to very small amounts of peanuts or peanut dust when they are young.

    I wouldn’t ignore everything that he says, but it’s kind of like when conspiracy-minded Joe Rogan interviewed UFO enthusiast Dan Ackroyd essentially saying, “That guy believes in everything!”

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    • January 19, 2020, at 4:19 AM PST
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  8. Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Demo… Thatcher

    We are talking about the guy who said Iowa hog farmers were worse than Bin Laden, right?

    We are talking about the guy who said a few days ago that Trump “discredited the American experiment”, right?

    We are talking about the guy who has a history of just making stuff up, right?

     

    • #8
    • January 19, 2020, at 7:20 AM PST
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  9. Dave Sussman Podcaster

    I’m copying this from my social media.

    I’m not defending RFKs position and certainly not anyone on the antivax movement. It pisses me off when I hear of measles outbreaks at Disneyland because some crazy parents didn’t inoculate their kids. Those parents should be held liable.

    Yes, the number of inoculations has skyrocketed with a massive number of new vaccines in the pipeline, as provided above. The questions RFK raise regarding corruption, self enrichment and collusion are all worthy of sunlight.

    I asked him to respond to his family who publicly rebuked him in the media. He wrote a response that was apparently prevented from being published.

    I don’t think RFK is nuts. He has made some claims that have been rebuked by some and supported by others, all in HHS and public health. ie: His discussion on Wakefields autism causality has been widely discredited. RFK says tests weren’t done, but that’s where most people stop, and dismiss him as antivax.

    There is a lot here that should concern us, especially parents. Once we start to learn more about this issue, we see it’s not a binary “vax/antivax” discussion. Here’s his unpublished response to his family.

    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/americans-can-handle-an-open-discussion-on-vaccines-rfk-jr-responds-to-criticism-from-his-family/

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    • January 19, 2020, at 10:33 AM PST
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  10. MarciN Member

    I want open-mindedness restored to the vaccine discussions. 

    One thing that activists like RFK have in common is strong biases, which can lead them down the wrong path. I have seen those uptick numbers he talks about in autism. They trouble me too. I can understand the concern with mercury, which, as I understand it, has been in and out of vaccines since the controversy first arose. (It’s attractive to pharmaceutical companies because it penetrates soft tissue, but that’s also why it is so dangerous.) I don’t remember at the moment whether mercury is in or out right now. I thought it was gone. At any rate, there’s another thing that happened during those years that the vaccine-focused activists are missing, which is that acetaminophen (Tylenol) was okayed for pregnant mothers to take. I love Tylenol, but it is an anxiety-acting drug, and it is far more logical to me that its use during pregnancy would explain the autism and spectrum disorders far better than the vaccines. :-) 

    At any rate, we need to consider carefully the troubling financial picture as well as the safety protocols and the inert ingredients. 

    I am thrilled that Trump is looking into this. I agree with RFK–there are far too many kids with heretofore unheard of conditions for there not to be something afoot. 

    I also wish they look the same way at the entire range of psychiatric medicines. I fear Ritalin, for example. And I’m deeply concerned about the psychiatric medicines fathers and mothers have taken in their formative years as teenagers as well. We really need to scale back our comfort level in giving antipsychotic-formula drugs to kids.

    Most of all, we have to have an open mind in all of these inquiries. 

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    • January 19, 2020, at 11:24 AM PST
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  11. JimGoneWild Coolidge

    I agree that all vaccines should be tested, barring some biological attack. Its plain criminal not to test.

    If there has been a surge of things like peanut allergies since 1989, then I would want to see child mortality rates in those same years. Do these kids have allergies that would have otherwise killed them at a young age, and it put down as a common childhood early death.

    Thank President Trump for wanting to hear both sides of the story. Open debates are one of the best forms of getting issues out.

    Dave, was it sound quality issues or does JFK have a speech impediment? 

    Thanks.

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    • January 19, 2020, at 11:45 AM PST
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  12. Dave Sussman Podcaster

    JimGoneWild (View Comment):

    I agree that all vaccines should be tested, barring some biological attack. Its plain criminal not to test.

    If there has been a surge of things like peanut allergies since 1989, then I would want to see child mortality rates in those same years. Do these kids have allergies that would have otherwise killed them at a young age, and it put down as a common childhood early death.

    Thank President Trump for wanting to hear both sides of the story. Open debates are one of the best forms of getting issues out.

    Dave, was it sound quality issues or does JFK have a speech impediment?

    Thanks.

    Thanks Jim. Robert has a neurological disorder that impacts his speech – Spasmodic Dysphonia.

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    • January 19, 2020, at 7:58 PM PST
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  13. Dave Sussman Podcaster

    MarciN (View Comment):
    Most of all, we have to have an open mind in all of these inquiries. 

    Agreed Marci. Glad we can have a discussion here without someone trying to strawman me into defending the anti-vax position, which I could never do.

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    • January 19, 2020, at 8:05 PM PST
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  14. Cow Girl Thatcher

    JimGoneWild (View Comment):
    If there has been a surge of things like peanut allergies since 1989, then I would want to see child mortality rates in those same years. Do these kids have allergies that would have otherwise killed them at a young age, and it put down as a common childhood early death.

    I’m curious about this too. Such as, is there more autism, or is it just getting diagnosed now? Are there more allergies, or do we just have children living who have allergies because previously they wouldn’t have been diagnosed, and their deaths were part of the loss of children at an early age? In my parents’ generation (born in the 20’s and 30’s) many, many children died. Then, when my generation came along (born in the 40’s and 50’s) there were some vaccinations that my parents didn’t have available as children. The 60’s and 70’s and continuing on, it is rare to have children die of illnesses that caused the deaths of children commonly before WWII.

     

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    • January 19, 2020, at 9:51 PM PST
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  15. Joe D. Lincoln

    I can’t stand it whenever I hear that some entity has a ‘no liability’ claim in any way. It’s completely ridiculous. In this case it doesn’t make any sense at all.

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    • January 20, 2020, at 9:11 AM PST
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  16. Joe D. Lincoln

    I wonder how easy it would be to say I only want these 3 vaccines?

    • #16
    • January 20, 2020, at 9:36 AM PST
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