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  1. Henry Racette Member
    Henry Racette
    @HenryRacette

    Ketchup is a non-Newtonian fluid.

    There. I said it. And I’m going to keep saying it until someone takes me seriously.

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  2. EJHill Podcaster
    EJHill
    @EJHill

    Henry Racette: Ketchup is a non-Newtonian fluid.

    There. I said it. And I’m going to keep saying it until someone takes me seriously.

    But what about “Catsup?”

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  3. Jimbo Member
    Jimbo
    @Jimbo

    When you say “the Diner on Highway 23” do you mean US-23?  I ask because I’ve become more and more fascinated with the old US Highway system before the Interstate ever since I took a trip to Mobile, Alabama, and realized I was on the same highway (US-45) that goes through my home town in Illinois and started to wonder what all was in between.  I then started tracking US-41 from Atlanta to Chicago (though I was wise enough to not stay on it the entire way).  If so, then it’s cool that The Diner is on the same highway that I used to drive everyday to get to school in Georgia. 

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  4. Dotorimuk Coolidge
    Dotorimuk
    @Dotorimuk

    EJHill (View Comment):

    Henry Racette: Ketchup is a non-Newtonian fluid.

    There. I said it. And I’m going to keep saying it until someone takes me seriously.

    But what about “Catsup?”

    I remember how my mind was blown when I found out there was such a thing as non-tomato ketchup/catsup/kecap. It was like discovering there was life on other planets. From that day, nothing was ever the same.

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  5. JoelB Member
    JoelB
    @JoelB

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Ketchup is a non-Newtonian fluid.

    There. I said it. And I’m going to keep saying it until someone takes me seriously.

    Is that extra-fancy or standard?

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  6. James Lileks Contributor
    James Lileks
    @jameslileks

    Jimbo (View Comment):

    When you say “the Diner on Highway 23” do you mean US-23? I ask because I’ve become more and more fascinated with the old US Highway system before the Interstate ever since I took a trip to Mobile, Alabama, and realized I was on the same highway (US-45) that goes through my home town in Illinois and started to wonder what all was in between. I then started tracking US-41 from Atlanta to Chicago (though I was wise enough to not stay on it the entire way). If so, then it’s cool that The Diner is on the same highway that I used to drive everyday to get to school in Georgia.

    It’s a stretch of road that has been renamed and reassigned over the years, so the part that runs to the Diner is a County, State, and US Highway, but not all three at the same time. 

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  7. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Dotorimuk (View Comment):

    EJHill (View Comment):

    Henry Racette: Ketchup is a non-Newtonian fluid.

    There. I said it. And I’m going to keep saying it until someone takes me seriously.

    But what about “Catsup?”

    I remember how my mind was blown when I found out there was such a thing as non-tomato ketchup/catsup/kecap. It was like discovering there was life on other planets. From that day, nothing was ever the same.

    What would non-tomato ketchup be?  I suspect that it’s not really ketchup, even if some people call it that.  And the bottles/whatever likely don’t use that name either.  Because the FDA et al would be all over them if they did.

    When I visited the Philippines many years ago, where apparently growing tomatoes was more difficult – most “pizzas” I saw being made fresh had meat and cheese and onions and what-not, but no sauce at all – the common condiment in similar-shaped bottles was actually a spiced banana sauce, and it was called banana sauce.  Not banana ketchup or “non-tomato ketchup” or anything like that.

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  8. AMD Texas Coolidge
    AMD Texas
    @DarinJohnson

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Dotorimuk (View Comment):

    EJHill (View Comment):

    Henry Racette: Ketchup is a non-Newtonian fluid.

    There. I said it. And I’m going to keep saying it until someone takes me seriously.

    But what about “Catsup?”

    I remember how my mind was blown when I found out there was such a thing as non-tomato ketchup/catsup/kecap. It was like discovering there was life on other planets. From that day, nothing was ever the same.

    What would non-tomato ketchup be? I suspect that it’s not really ketchup, even if some people call it that. And the bottles/whatever likely don’t use that name either. Because the FDA et al would be all over them if they did.

    When I visited the Philippines many years ago, where apparently growing tomatoes was more difficult – most “pizzas” I saw being made fresh had meat and cheese and onions and what-not, but no sauce at all – the common condiment in similar-shaped bottles was actually a spiced banana sauce, and it was called banana sauce. Not banana ketchup or “non-tomato ketchup” or anything like that.

    Well, some think the word ketchup/catsup was derived from the Malay/Bahasa Indonesia word kecap (pronounced ketchup) which is a sauce, depending on its descriptor, that can be made up of several main ingredients. These range from different types of soy sauce to even fish sauces. Since the significant other is from Indonesia, we have several of these non-tomato ketchups in our pantry at all times.

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  9. Dotorimuk Coolidge
    Dotorimuk
    @Dotorimuk

    AMD Texas (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Dotorimuk (View Comment):

    EJHill (View Comment):

    Henry Racette: Ketchup is a non-Newtonian fluid.

    There. I said it. And I’m going to keep saying it until someone takes me seriously.

    But what about “Catsup?”

    I remember how my mind was blown when I found out there was such a thing as non-tomato ketchup/catsup/kecap. It was like discovering there was life on other planets. From that day, nothing was ever the same.

    What would non-tomato ketchup be? I suspect that it’s not really ketchup, even if some people call it that. And the bottles/whatever likely don’t use that name either. Because the FDA et al would be all over them if they did.

    When I visited the Philippines many years ago, where apparently growing tomatoes was more difficult – most “pizzas” I saw being made fresh had meat and cheese and onions and what-not, but no sauce at all – the common condiment in similar-shaped bottles was actually a spiced banana sauce, and it was called banana sauce. Not banana ketchup or “non-tomato ketchup” or anything like that.

    Well, some think the word ketchup/catsup was derived from the Malay/Bahasa Indonesia word kecap (pronounced ketchup) which is a sauce, depending on its descriptor, that can be made up of several main ingredients. These range from different types of soy sauce to even fish sauces. Since the significant other is from Indonesia, we have several of these non-tomato ketchups in our pantry at all times.

    And I think that brings us to the question of what makes a sauce a ketchup, and is it the exclusive domain of the tomato? I’m not sure that’s a world I want to live in.

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  10. Peter Gøthgen Member
    Peter Gøthgen
    @PeterGothgen

    The complaint about the pronunciation of ‘gif’ comes down to the mistaken idea that the pronunciation of an acronym is based on the pronunciation of the component words.  Were that the case, here’s how we would pronounce a number of common terms:

    Laser: lah-seer

    Scuba: skubb-eh

    NASA: nais-ah

    Sonar: sow-neahr

    SIM card : s-eye-m card

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  11. Henry Racette Member
    Henry Racette
    @HenryRacette

    Peter Gøthgen (View Comment):

    The complaint about the pronunciation of ‘gif’ comes down to the mistaken idea that the pronunciation of an acronym is based on the pronunciation of the component words. Were that the case, here’s how we would pronounce a number of common terms:

    Laser: lah-seer

    Scuba: skubb-eh

    NASA: nay-suh

    Sonar: sow-neahr

    SIM card : s-eye-m card

    Respectfully, Peter, you’re making a mistake of the (p -> q) -> (~p -> ~q) variety.

    The fact that LASER is not pronounced with the long E of “Emission” does not mean that GIF should not be pronounced with the hard G of Graphic.

    Because, obviously, GIF should be pronounced with a hard G. (Apologies to Mr. Wilhite who, despite having invented the format, doesn’t have carte blanche to dictate its mispronunciation.)

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  12. Dan Campbell Member
    Dan Campbell
    @DanCampbell

    Not sure if you know, but The Bleat comments are not there for me again.  It was nice for the week that they did work, though.  Thanks for trying.

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  13. Bishop Wash Member
    Bishop Wash
    @BishopWash

    Bless you James for fighting the “beg the question” fight. We might never win, but it must be fought. 

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  14. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Peter Gøthgen (View Comment):

    The complaint about the pronunciation of ‘gif’ comes down to the mistaken idea that the pronunciation of an acronym is based on the pronunciation of the component words. Were that the case, here’s how we would pronounce a number of common terms:

    Laser: lah-seer

    Scuba: skubb-eh

    NASA: nay-suh

    Sonar: sow-neahr

    SIM card : s-eye-m card

    Respectfully, Peter, you’re making a mistake of the (p -> q) -> (~p -> ~q) variety.

    The fact that LASER is not pronounced with the long E of “Emission” does not mean that GIF should not be pronounced with the hard G of Graphic.

    Because, obviously, GIF should be pronounced with a hard G. (Apologies to Mr. Wilhite who, despite having invented the format, doesn’t have carte blanche to dictate its mispronunciation.)

    Also, I never see anyone spell it out as LASER any more, to start with.  It’s become just another word, in common usage.

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  15. Buckpasser Member
    Buckpasser
    @Buckpasser

    Dotorimuk (View Comment):

    EJHill (View Comment):

    Henry Racette: Ketchup is a non-Newtonian fluid.

    There. I said it. And I’m going to keep saying it until someone takes me seriously.

    But what about “Catsup?”

    I remember how my mind was blown when I found out there was such a thing as non-tomato ketchup/catsup/kecap. It was like discovering there was life on other planets. From that day, nothing was ever the same.

    You mean almond milk isn’t really milk?  I’m shocked, shocked I say.

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  16. James Lileks Contributor
    James Lileks
    @jameslileks

    Peter Gøthgen (View Comment):
    The complaint about the pronunciation of ‘gif’ comes down to the mistaken idea that the pronunciation of an acronym is based on the pronunciation of the component words.

    Except we always said Hard-G, until some people came along much later and went with the soft G.

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  17. James Lileks Contributor
    James Lileks
    @jameslileks

    Dan Campbell (View Comment):

    Not sure if you know, but The Bleat comments are not there for me again. It was nice for the week that they did work, though. Thanks for trying.

    Should be working now – I’m seeing them in Safari and Edge. May have used the previous busted code by mistake.

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  18. EJHill Podcaster
    EJHill
    @EJHill

    James Lileks:

    Peter Gøthgen:
    The complaint about the pronunciation of ‘gif’ comes down to the mistaken idea that the pronunciation of an acronym is based on the pronunciation of the component words.

    Except we always said Hard-G, until some people came along much later and went with the soft G.

    Hard-G “gif” means “graphic,” soft-G “gif” is pronounced “jif” and means “peanut butter.”

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  19. Brickhouse Hank Contributor
    Brickhouse Hank
    @HankRhody

    I am both a Hard-G and an OG and so Gansta that… okay, sorry couldn’t keep a straight face. Pasty white boy from Wisconsin checking in.

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  20. Tonguetied Fred Member
    Tonguetied Fred
    @TonguetiedFred

    Dotorimuk (View Comment):

    EJHill (View Comment):

    Henry Racette: Ketchup is a non-Newtonian fluid.

    There. I said it. And I’m going to keep saying it until someone takes me seriously.

    But what about “Catsup?”

    I remember how my mind was blown when I found out there was such a thing as non-tomato ketchup/catsup/kecap. It was like discovering there was life on other planets. From that day, nothing was ever the same.

    I squicked out my grandkids by calling some grape jelly, grape ketchup one time.  I’m not sure what got them all askew but I found their responses hilarious…

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  21. Tonguetied Fred Member
    Tonguetied Fred
    @TonguetiedFred

    Jimbo (View Comment):

    When you say “the Diner on Highway 23” do you mean US-23? I ask because I’ve become more and more fascinated with the old US Highway system before the Interstate ever since I took a trip to Mobile, Alabama, and realized I was on the same highway (US-45) that goes through my home town in Illinois and started to wonder what all was in between. I then started tracking US-41 from Atlanta to Chicago (though I was wise enough to not stay on it the entire way). If so, then it’s cool that The Diner is on the same highway that I used to drive everyday to get to school in Georgia.

    I think it’s out along “old Highway 23” which means that somewhere there is a new Highway 23…

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