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Hey look…America’s favorite podcasting partners in matrimony are back! This week, Mark and Mollie riff on ObamaCare, Phillip Rivers’ fertile ways, Mollie’s new job, a “Hemingways” baseball round-up (heavy on the Cards, natch), and the pluses and minuses of Steely Dan and Donald Fagen.

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There are 26 comments.

  1. Look Away Inactive

    Thoughtful, vibrant, realistic Mollie takes apart petulant, static, establishment Mark on Ted Cruz. Bravo Mollie!! Mark, you need to step up your game, your are letting husbands down everywhere.!

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    • October 25, 2013, at 5:30 AM PDT
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  2. Miffed White Male Member

    Steely Dan. Back in the late 70s/early 80s a friend and I went to a lot of concerts. We noticed that at a lot of these shows, the music playing over the sound system before the show was Steely Dan. We developed a theory that this was a psychological ploy to prime the crowd – it wouldn’t matter how the actual band performed, after listening to Steely Dan, ANYTHING would sound good…

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    • October 25, 2013, at 6:08 AM PDT
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  3. KC Mulville Inactive

    I want to avoid Monday morning quarterbacking on Obamacare.

    We all knew it was a bad law. It’s a gratuitous attack on religious liberty, it shifts incentives to part time work, it shakes down young people to pay for elderly care, and various other damages. At skyrocketing costs.

    Now, by coincidence, the law depends on a website, which happens to crash on takeoff.

    One of the things I’ve heard lately is the idea that we shouldn’t have distracted the media by the shutdown – after all, the website crash would have done the work for us.

    But no one on our side, before the launch, knew that the website would blow up like it has. Had the website gone smoothly, the overwhelming media narrative this month would have been how folks were making great healthcare choices, or nonsense fluff like that. The non-website damages would have anchored in, permanently, and there would have been no chance of turning them back. The website is a separate issue, and lucky for us, it was also a disaster. 

    Our media narrative now should be: “Look, we were against this thing before the website crashed.”

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    • October 25, 2013, at 6:17 AM PDT
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  4. Mark Driscoll Inactive

    I am so happy that I did not bail after Mark immediately started with the Monday morning quarterbacking. Mollie took him on and was triumphant in such an eloquent way. I’m jealous because I always go straight to hate over the R’s circular firing squads.

    Mark redeemed himself later in the show by revealing that he is the one other person I know of that cannot stand the Eagles, Steely Dan, et al. We probably differ in that I am not aware of very much good music made since the early 70’s. 

    Great show, thanks so much.

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    • October 25, 2013, at 6:31 AM PDT
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  5. Mark Hemingway Inactive

    Just so you know, Mollie and I just had *another* argument about Donald Fagen/Steely Dan.

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    • October 25, 2013, at 8:50 AM PDT
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  6. Profile Photo Member

    I hope it wasn’t started by me….

    Mark Hemingway: Just so you know, Mollie and I just had *another* argument about Donald Fagen/Steely Dan. · 28 minutes ago
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    • October 25, 2013, at 9:19 AM PDT
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  7. Profile Photo Member

    First: Like Mark, I respect Steely Dan’s talent but the music sounds too clever by three-quarters. It’s like when a live jazz bassist unexpectedly plays a major note instead of a minor and the rest of the jazzbos laugh like it’s the funniest thing they ever heard. Grating.

    SD’s music is so polished that there’s no edge left — and rock is all about the edges. Is it any wonder that one month after Aja‘s release, along came Never Mind the Bollocks? Steely Dan is not as soul-bleaching as other Yacht Rock purveyors, but I would never listen to them by choice.

    Second: Molly is spot-on about The Nightfly. Ineffable genius. The odd thing is that it sounds similar to SD, but Fagen somehow strips out the annoying bits. It also doesn’t attempt to be a rock album, which is perhaps why I enjoy it.

    Third: It was downright cruel to play “Reelin’ in the Years” as exit music. Now I want to strangle baby otters.

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    • October 25, 2013, at 9:20 AM PDT
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  8. Profile Photo Member

    I’ve always thought Fagen on his own was a bit too clever and twee for his own good. He needs Becker’s face melting guitar as a counter-balance. Reelin’ In The Years is exhibit A. 

    Jon Gabriel, Ed.:

    Third: It was downright cruel to play “Reelin’ in the Years” as exit music. Now I want to strangle baby otters. · 6 minutes ago

    Edited 5 minutes ago

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    • October 25, 2013, at 9:30 AM PDT
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  9. Profile Photo Member
    Blue Yeti: I’ve always thought Fagen on his own was a bit too clever and twee for his own good. He needs Becker’s face melting guitar as a counter-balance. Reelin’ In The Years is exhibit A. 
    Jon Gabriel, Ed.:

    Third: It was downright cruel to play “Reelin’ in the Years” as exit music. Now I want to strangle baby otters. · 6 minutes ago

    Edited 5 minutes ago

    7 minutes ago

    You could have at least chosen “Peg.” What about the children, Blue Yeti?!!

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    • October 25, 2013, at 9:40 AM PDT
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  10. dash Inactive
    Mark Hemingway: Just so you know, Mollie and I just had *another* argument about Donald Fagen/Steely Dan. · 56 minutes ago

    Turn up the Eagles, the neighbors are listening…

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    • October 25, 2013, at 10:10 AM PDT
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  11. dash Inactive
    Blue Yeti: I’ve always thought Fagen on his own was a bit too clever and twee for his own good. He needs Becker’s face melting guitar as a counter-balance. Reelin’ In The Years is exhibit A. 
    Jon Gabriel, Ed.:

    Third: It was downright cruel to play “Reelin’ in the Years” as exit music. Now I want to strangle baby otters. · 6 minutes ago

    Edited 5 minutes ago

    40 minutes ago

    That was Elliott Randall, session god, playing lead on Reelin’ in The Years. I think Becker played bass.

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    • October 25, 2013, at 10:12 AM PDT
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  12. Astonishing Inactive

    Yay, Mollie!

    Imagine where we’d be right at this very moment if the GOP establishment had united behind Ted Cruz instead of attacking him. The Dems would be begging for a mandate delay (they are begging for a delay of the mandate), their solidarity would have crumbled, the ground would have shifted, and the GOP would have scored a huge win.

    Still and all, time will prove Cruz was the one with the better long-term strategic vision. The rank-and-file have united behind him, and that is a very good thing, not only for him, but also for the party.

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    • October 25, 2013, at 10:15 AM PDT
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  13. Profile Photo Member

    Heh, I had “Haitian Divorce” in there and at the last minute swapped it out for “Reeling” because I didn’t want to be too on the nose. 

    Jon Gabriel, Ed.

    You could have at least chosen “Peg.” What about the children, Blue Yeti?!! · 51 minutes ago

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    • October 25, 2013, at 10:33 AM PDT
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  14. Profile Photo Member

    You are correct, although I have seen Becker play the solo live a couple of times ( also saw Elliot play it too — amazing). 

    dash

    That was Elliott Randall, session god, playing lead on Reelin’ in The Years. I think Becker played bass. · 20 minutes ago

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    • October 25, 2013, at 10:35 AM PDT
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  15. dash Inactive
    Blue Yeti: You are correct, although I have seen Becker play the solo live a couple of times ( also saw Elliot play it too — amazing). 
    dash

    That was Elliott Randall, session god, playing lead on Reelin’ in The Years. I think Becker played bass. · 20 minutes ago

    14 minutes ago

    You live a charmed life, my friend.

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    • October 25, 2013, at 10:55 AM PDT
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  16. John Walker Contributor

    Has any single song better expressed the optimism of the American Epoch than Donald Fagen’s I.G.Y.?

    Standing tough under stars and stripesWe can tellThis dream’s in sightYou’ve got to admit itAt this point in time that it’s clearThe future looks brightOn that train all graphite and glitterUndersea by railNinety minutes from New York to ParisWell by seventy-six we’ll be A.O.K. What a beautiful world this will beWhat a glorious time to be free

    Works for me.

    The rest of the album is also superb, but this is the song, the first time I heard it, that made me realise our destiny isn’t reduced expectations but rather that “wheel in space”.

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    • October 26, 2013, at 3:41 AM PDT
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  17. Crow's Nest Inactive

    The “Gitmo” aspect of cross fit has nothing whatever to do with whether the music is looped or not. But, really, in that twisted reality, shouldn’t you be thanking your cross fit instructor for having done this–its just one more tortuous exercise to overcome. Maybe you can call the workout “The Neil”. There’s something approaching poetry in that homonym….

    Crossfit, by the way, is…just…well….weirdly cultish.I mean like truly strange in the mentality it adopts. It’s asceticism without a goal.

    I mean, if we’re arguing from ridiculously overwrought analogies Beelzebub:Boston Sports::Jim Jones:Crossfit.

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    • October 26, 2013, at 5:05 AM PDT
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  18. Crow's Nest Inactive

    But, all that said, Mark is totally right about the Eagles. Ugh.

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    • October 26, 2013, at 5:13 AM PDT
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  19. BuckeyeSam Inactive

    Please, Mark, enough with the use of the word like. I thought I was listening to a teenage boy. At the same time, no one–NO ONE–giggles better than Mollie. As a graduate of a LCMS K-8 school in the Chicagoland area, I can find much to like in Mollie. But enough with the talk about Steely Dan.

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    • October 26, 2013, at 8:04 AM PDT
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  20. Joe Inactive
    Joe

    I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again – Steely Dan is lyrically the greatest band of all time. Of all time! You have to look past the jazz fusionism, guys. See beyond the Dylan-ripped hooks. Every time I flip through the sticky pages of the karaoke binder, I take a quick pause at The Dan in the hopes of spotting “Barrytown” before sighing and confirming “Mamma Mia” is on the list (it is). America produces artists, not bands, but Steely Dan is our best (assuming Cale disqualifies the VU and the studio the Beach Boys). And Mark – you like prog rock! Who are you to speak of music that goes nowhere? The things that pass for synth solos, I can’t understand.

    I just ordered my second vinyl of Matt Duncan’s Soft Times. He’s a dear, dear musician from Lexington and a disciple of The Dan; you can hear it in the baritone harmonies. A track from his earlier EP appeared on Bored To Death (RIP), a show that built upon my foundation of Brooklyn. You know what formed that foundation? “Brooklyn“, track 8, Can’t Buy a Thrill

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    • October 26, 2013, at 10:52 AM PDT
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  21. Peabody Here Member

    I’m with Mark on Steely Dan. But, I don’t get the outright hostility against The Eagles. I’m no Eagles fanatic, and I don’t actively seek them out on my iPod, but I don’t have any anger toward them like Mark does.

    It is interesting: For years and years I would hear my favorite band, Rush, mocked endlessly. Never heard a bad word about The Eagles. Now, Rush is cool and respected in the circles that used to turn up their noses at them, and it is fashionable to dis The Eagles. (I’ve heard that sentiment from not just Mark.)

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    • October 26, 2013, at 11:30 AM PDT
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  22. Severely Ltd. Inactive
    QuickerBrownFox: I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again – Steely Dan is lyrically the greatest band of all time. Of all time!

    You should’ve stopped here, I’m afraid you jumped the lazy shark by dismissing their “jazz fusionism”.

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    • October 27, 2013, at 12:10 PM PDT
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  23. Profile Photo Member

    That was one of your best, Mollie and Mark. I found myself vehemently disagreeing with Mark about Ted Cruz, and wildly agreeing with him on Steely Dan and the Eagles!

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    • October 27, 2013, at 12:27 PM PDT
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  24. DJ EJ Inactive

    Have to side with Mollie when it comes to Steely Dan. I like a lot of the Eagles’ songs, but they really annoyed me when they charged such ridiculous ticket prices for their reunion tour(s). They priced me right out of ever caring to see them live. Anyway, here’s my DJ nerd out on Steely Dan:

    “Peg” and “Josie” – have excellent disco and funk grooves respectively that make them awesome for spinning ’70s mix sets. “Peg” also has Michael McDonald on backing vocals, which always makes me think of this SCTV sketch (even though it’s backing vocals for a Christopher Cross song).

    “Hey Nineteen” – looping the intro mixes surprisingly well with “Blurred Lines” for a strange mashup (discovered this randomly while doing a gig a couple months ago)

    “Reelin’ In The Years” – reportedly Jimmy Page’s favorite guitar solo, although Fagen himself called the song “dumb but effective”. I’ll side with Page on this one. I love the guitar (Jeff “Skunk” Baxter) and vocals on “My Old School” too.

    “Black Friday” just rocks.

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    • October 29, 2013, at 7:47 AM PDT
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  25. Fricosis Guy Listener

    Finally heard the FG call out on the podcast!

    And, of course, selling one’s soul to Old Scratch is most associated with the Washington baseball team, not the Red Sox.

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    • November 5, 2013, at 1:33 AM PDT
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  26. David Cheney Member

    Great work Yeti and other editors, if any. I like the playfulness and reaction to the spontaneity.

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    • December 23, 2013, at 5:12 AM PDT
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