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  1. Vectorman Thatcher

    The actual time of this podcast is 18:02, not 122:14.

    A great listen, as usual.

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    • August 27, 2019, at 5:32 PM PDT
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  2. Arahant Member

    Vectorman (View Comment):

    The actual time of this podcast is 18:02, not 122:14.

    A great listen, as usual.

    I would listen either way, but thanks for letting me know I don’t have to lay in supplies to get through.

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    • August 27, 2019, at 6:31 PM PDT
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  3. Arahant Member

    It was not just the means that made Hitler and Stalin similar. Their aims, too, were very similar. All that was missing was an “Inter” on Hitler’s “National.”

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    • August 27, 2019, at 6:52 PM PDT
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  4. FredGoodhue Coolidge

    Vectorman (View Comment):

    The actual time of this podcast is 18:02, not 122:14.

    A great listen, as usual.

    Darn.

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    • August 27, 2019, at 7:54 PM PDT
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  5. FredGoodhue Coolidge

    On the question of WWII being the most uncontroversial recent US war, I wonder how much of that is because we were allies of the USSR. Because of that alliance, the American left was very enthusiastic about the war. They have been against every war since.

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    • August 28, 2019, at 4:43 AM PDT
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  6. Jim Beck Member

    Such curious ifs. So I just learn that the Japanese do not attack Liberty ships we send to USSR under a Soviet flag, how strange. Does sparing these ships benefit Japan, do they not think that the US sends these supplies to USSR to benefit the US cause, and the US is their enemy. If Japan and Germany had acted in even a modest level of coordination, they could had made life much more difficult for the allies, and they were indifferent to coordination, how curious as if winning was a fore gone conclusion.

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    • August 28, 2019, at 10:47 AM PDT
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  7. Miffed White Male Member
    Miffed White Male Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Jim Beck (View Comment):

    Such curious ifs. So I just learn that the Japanese do not attack Liberty ships we send to USSR under a Soviet flag, how strange. Does sparing these ships benefit Japan, do they not think that the US sends these supplies to USSR to benefit the US cause, and the US is their enemy. If Japan and Germany had acted in even a modest level of coordination, they could had made life much more difficult for the allies, and they were indifferent to coordination, how curious as if winning was a fore gone conclusion.

    Japan wanted to keep Soviets out of their war in China. And it worked. USSR didn’t declare war on Japan until August 1945.

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    • August 28, 2019, at 10:57 AM PDT
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  8. Jim Beck Member

    Afternoon MFM,

    I take your point, but had Germany worked with Japan, they could have negotiated that Japan would just keep USSR from removing troops from the East, not accually investing much in men or material but just the minimum to keep USSR forces split. I admit that I do not know what Germany would provide to Japan, but had Germany told Japan about their non-aggression pact in advance and told them that it would be followed by a total invasion, then Japan could have employed a harassment campaign while the non-aggression pact was in place and been more aggressive as USSR tried to move troops to the West. Or perhaps Germany could have provided better designs for tanks and artillery, or perhaps Germany could have negotiated post victory concessions to Japan. That two countries with the same enemies do almost nothing to help each other is a type of blindness which insures defeat.

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    • August 28, 2019, at 11:40 AM PDT
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  9. Petty Boozswha Member

    FredGoodhue (View Comment):

    On the question of WWII being the most uncontroversial recent US war, I wonder how much of that is because we were allies of the USSR. Because of that alliance, the American left was very enthusiastic about the war. They have been against every war since.

    I believe the Daily Worker and fellow traveling publications like The New Republic literally stopped the presses and changed their editorial stance 180 degrees on the war as of June 22nd when Germany invaded the Soviet Union. That was when it became The Good War. If WWI was to make the world safe for democracy WWII was to make the world safe for the Gulag.

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    • August 28, 2019, at 2:35 PM PDT
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  10. Dr. Strangelove Thatcher
    Dr. Strangelove Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Hey, @blueyeti, the podcast’s runtime is currently shown as 122 minutes. It’s actually more like 18 minutes. 

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    • August 28, 2019, at 2:57 PM PDT
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  11. Blue Yeti Admin

    Dr. Strangelove (View Comment):

    Hey, @blueyeti, the podcast’s runtime is currently shown as 122 minutes. It’s actually more like 18 minutes.

    Thanks. Will look into it. Started using some new editing software a couple of weeks ago and still getting used to it. 

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    • August 28, 2019, at 6:28 PM PDT
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  12. Taras Coolidge

    Petty Boozswha (View Comment):

    FredGoodhue (View Comment):

    On the question of WWII being the most uncontroversial recent US war, I wonder how much of that is because we were allies of the USSR. Because of that alliance, the American left was very enthusiastic about the war. They have been against every war since.

    I believe the Daily Worker and fellow traveling publications like The New Republic literally stopped the presses and changed their editorial stance 180 degrees on the war as of June 22nd when Germany invaded the Soviet Union. That was when it became The Good War. If WWI was to make the world safe for democracy WWII was to make the world safe for the Gulag.

    In fact, the Daily Worker was in the middle of reprinting Dalton Trumbo’s anti-war (read: pro-Hitler) novel, Johnny Got His Gun.

    It must have been tough to be their archivist. Did they burn back issues that no longer fit the Party line, or merely restrict access?

    After Lavrentii Beria was lynched, librarians in the USSR were sent replacement pages for the Great Soviet Encyclopedia, with a long article about the Bering Sea. (The filmmakers were unable to squeeze this amusing detail into the superb recent black comedy, The Death of Stalin.)

    When fans wrote to Trumbo during the war, asking where they could buy his book, he would denounce them to the FBI.

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    • August 29, 2019, at 9:20 AM PDT
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  13. colleenb Member
    colleenb Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Indeed I could probably listen to VDH for 122 minutes on this subject alone. Had not known about the Japanese not attacking Soviet shipping. @fredgoodhue – your comment about the liberals/communists/socialists (but I keep repeating myself) supporting WWII because it supported the Soviet Union/Uncle Joe/Communism is so spot on. I often watch old movies made during WWII and there is a certain glow that some actors get when they are talking about our allies the Soviet Union or playing Russians for instance. 

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    • August 29, 2019, at 10:02 AM PDT
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  14. Taras Coolidge

    colleenb (View Comment):

    Indeed I could probably listen to VDH for 122 minutes on this subject alone. Had not known about the Japanese not attacking Soviet shipping. @fredgoodhue – your comment about the liberals/communists/socialists (but I keep repeating myself) supporting WWII because it supported the Soviet Union/Uncle Joe/Communism is so spot on. I often watch old movies made during WWII and there is a certain glow that some actors get when they are talking about our allies the Soviet Union or playing Russians for instance.

    The Hollywood moguls were mostly Republicans, but FDR and his minions urged that the Soviets be always presented as noble and heroic. That Hitler and Stalin had been allies was to be dropped down the memory hole.

    In light of what happened — or didn’t happen — in the years immediately after the war, it appears that the Truman administration had thoroughly swallowed the propaganda, with tragic results for China and the world. 

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    • August 29, 2019, at 11:10 AM PDT
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