Where There’s a Will

The sage George F. Will joins Jay and Mona to discuss the progress of Trumpcare, the condition of our political parties, and what daily lying does to our civic culture.

Jay and Mona then turn to the violence that Putin critics keep encountering, the hate crime hoaxes, Manafort, a rape in Maryland, Bannon, Nowruz, and dogs.

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  1. Dr.Guido Member

    I’ve been a LONG time big fan of yours, Mona, Jay and George. Bought most of your books…read what you write with relish. I’m an early #NeverTrumper….but I’ve got to tell you that there was an obnoxious, smarmy, snobby…‘we know better than those Rubes who voted for ….him”.. quality in your 3-way that was extraordinarily off-putting. Almost a ‘Fatal Conceit quality, if you will. He’s—The Donny— an embarrassment to many of us—-but he won. Hillary and Clintonism lost—so did ‘our’ brand of Conservatism. I went to my 1st Goldwater rally in 1960 so I’m a long time movement Conservative and after all is said and done let’s take some credit for the selection of Gorsuch, Mattis ,McMaster, McFarland….he listens, at least to Kudlow and Laffer….but please consider toning down the insufferable smugness directed at the little people who went to his rallies, lined up early and stayed late —and at least put Hillary back in her bottle. Our’s is a Constitutional Republic…we can survive The Donny…a continuation of Obama cum Clinton???Not so sure we would recognize us in 4-8 more years.

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    • March 25, 2017, at 12:00 PM PDT
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  2. cdor Member

    Dr.Guido (View Comment):
    I’ve been a LONG time big fan of yours, Mona, Jay and George. Bought most of your books…read what you write with relish. I’m an early #NeverTrumper….but I’ve got to tell you that there was an obnoxious, smarmy, snobby…‘we know better than those Rubes who voted for ….him”.. quality in your 3-way that was extraordinarily off-putting. Almost a ‘Fatal Conceit quality, if you will. He’s—The Donny— an embarrassment to many of us—-but he won. Hillary and Clintonism lost—so did ‘our’ brand of Conservatism. I went to my 1st Goldwater rally in 1960 so I’m a long time movement Conservative and after all is said and done let’s take some credit for the selection of Gorsuch, Mattis ,McMaster, McFarland….he listens, at least to Kudlow and Laffer….but please consider toning down the insufferable smugness directed at the little people who went to his rallies, lined up early and stayed late —and at least put Hillary back in her bottle. Our’s is a Constitutional Republic…we can survive The Donny…a continuation of Obama cum Clinton???Not so sure we would recognize us in 4-8 more years.

    Well said sir. Sadly this is what this podcast has become…unbearable.

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    • March 25, 2017, at 2:05 PM PDT
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  3. Henry Castaigne Member

    Dr.Guido (View Comment):
    but I’ve got to tell you that there was an obnoxious, smarmy, snobby…‘we know better than those Rubes who voted for ….him”.. quality in your 3-way that was extraordinarily off-putting.

    I’m couldn’t force myself to vote for Trump but his Supreme Court Justice selection and his interest in letting Americans create wealth are bringing (dragging would be a more accurate term) to his side.

    But the smarminess of some of the never-Trumpers is as off-putting to me as the perpetually offended Trumper. Also, (and Jay’s writing is much more evenhanded in this respect) when Trump does conservative stuff this podcast never mentions it. I’m fine with everyone not considering Trump a conservative. But the reflexive and unthinking smarminess is a turnoff.

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    • March 25, 2017, at 9:44 PM PDT
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  4. I Walton Member

    I don’t understand Trump nor know where he’s heading, I don’t like his tweets and his thin skin, but this exchange is equally off putting. Will puts issues as well as anyone, knows deeply what it has meant to be conservative and grasps Madison, Burke, Hayek et al as well as anyone but he’s right there with Mona and Jay in fastidiousness about Trump. Trump and his supporters are just too far beneath them. I understand it but don’t believe they add anything positive to a vitally important process of policy formulation that is ongoing

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    • March 26, 2017, at 6:10 AM PDT
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  5. George Townsend Inactive

    Dr.Guido (View Comment):
    I’ve been a LONG time big fan of yours, Mona, Jay and George. Bought most of your books…read what you write with relish. I’m an early #NeverTrumper….but I’ve got to tell you that there was an obnoxious, smarmy, snobby…‘we know better than those Rubes who voted for ….him”.. quality in your 3-way that was extraordinarily off-putting. Almost a ‘Fatal Conceit quality, if you will. He’s—The Donny— an embarrassment to many of us—-but he won. Hillary and Clintonism lost—so did ‘our’ brand of Conservatism. I went to my 1st Goldwater rally in 1960 so I’m a long time movement Conservative and after all is said and done let’s take some credit for the selection of Gorsuch, Mattis ,McMaster, McFarland….he listens, at least to Kudlow and Laffer….but please consider toning down the insufferable smugness directed at the little people who went to his rallies, lined up early and stayed late —and at least put Hillary back in her bottle. Our’s is a Constitutional Republic…we can survive The Donny…a continuation of Obama cum Clinton???Not so sure we would recognize us in 4-8 more years.

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    • March 26, 2017, at 7:26 AM PDT
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  6. George Townsend Inactive

    It is not snobbery. Others have tried to say this. Saying that somebody lacks the ability to have a mature outlook and act maturely is not snobbery. It is setting standards. If there is anything that conservatism should be about, it is recognizing that we need standards to live by. The trouble with the type of conservatism some people adhere to nowadays is that seem to be saying that it is just about policy. It is not. We seek to conserve civility also. We seek to conserve the idea that people need to listen to one another; that, as God’s children, we each have something to contribute to the General Welfare. And that we use what God gave us in the right proportions: He gave us two ears and one mouth. Let us listen more and talk less!

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    • March 26, 2017, at 7:34 AM PDT
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  7. Lois Lane Coolidge

    Mona did actually praise Trump as well, so I’m not sure if the posters listened to the whole podcast?

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    • March 26, 2017, at 9:51 AM PDT
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  8. Quake Voter Inactive

    George Townsend (View Comment):
    We seek to conserve civility also. We seek to conserve the idea that people need to listen to one another; that, as God’s children, we each have something to contribute to the General Welfare. And that we use what God gave us in the right proportions: He gave us two ears and one mouth. Let us listen more and talk less!

    Perfectly fine rationale for opposing Trump … until the Republican convention George. But can you explain how civility would be promoted by Hillary Clinton?

    Is setting in SCOTUS stone Gosnell abortion practices civil?

    How does massive refugee resettlement from Arab bloodlands promote civility?

    Does the empowerment of BLM and campus Maoists promote the civility we seek?

    How about opening up the public ladies rooms in every rest stop, train and bus station to transmen prostitutes who look more like drugged out welterweights than Jeffrey Tambor. Is that civility?

    Of course, we are now supposed to observe protocols of perfect civility when illegal aliens rape schoolchildren.

    That’s about as barbaric as it gets.

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    • March 26, 2017, at 9:53 AM PDT
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  9. DocJay Inactive

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  10. Lois Lane Coolidge

    I think ad hominem attacks directed at commentators do nothing to counter anything they actually say. If someone is so offended by the mere utterances of these commentators, I wonder why any part of the podcast is accessed? It takes time and effort to listen, and it’s a choice.

    I personally find things I like and things I don’t like in various Need to Know broadcasts, but I enjoy listening to it in general, so I’m glad it’s here.

    Criticizing tone like @drguido seems fair, but the commentators seem pretty consistent with their views.

    Does tone undermine the worth of what they have to say?

    I really can’t see how it does.

    I’m told to overlook Trump’s tone all the time, after all.

    Besides, Mona did praise Trump per an address he made that she felt hit all the right notes.

    One can praise an action and still take issue with the character of the man. That’s part of the job?

    If one prefers VDH, then great! Why not listen to his podcast instead? Geez. Wouldn’t he also excoriate Putin for killing opponents? Be displeased with people making up hate crimes?

    It seems strange to me that so many people are taking what these three say as personal invective… as if they are disparaging all Trump supporters with every utterance… as if it’s personal.

    That’s not the position they took here. It’s really not.

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    • March 26, 2017, at 11:36 AM PDT
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  11. Curt North Inactive

    Lois Lane (View Comment):
    I think ad hominem attacks directed at commentators do nothing to counter anything they actually say. If someone is so offended by the mere utterances of these commentators, I wonder why any part of the podcast is accessed? It takes time and effort to listen, and it’s a choice.

    That’s all well and true but we are, after all, their “customers”. If you’re commenting then you’ve paid in, you have skin in the game, you’re helping to keep this site going, and thus you would think they might want some feedback. I think it finally sank in a little with Claire Berlinski a couple weeks ago and she seems to have started writing about European politics again and stopped criticizing POTUS from a foreign capital.

    So our hope is that maybe Jay and Mona will digest some of the feedback from their customers and just stop already with the smug Never Trumpism. Then again maybe they’re happy to speak to a shrinking base of stubborn Nevers and just ride it out. Either way I find it amazing that the Ricochetti base seems to be screaming at the leadership here to just stop already with the Trump bashing, but they refuse to hear us. There is a LOT of things to debate and discuss, Trump is no longer one of them in reality. He won, it’s over, move on.

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    • March 26, 2017, at 12:18 PM PDT
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  12. Lois Lane Coolidge

    Curt North (View Comment):
    There is a LOT of things to debate and discuss, Trump is no longer one of them in reality. He won, it’s over, move on.

    I agree with the first, but I’m not sure I understand how talking about Trump’s choices is not part of that discussion. After all, when President Obama won, I didn’t say to anyone, “It’s over, move on.”

    In fact, when my more progressive friends said, “Now you need to accept all President Obama does,” I was flummoxed. How did that make any sense? I criticized the dude’s actions a lot throughout all eight of his years–despite his victories–because I personally didn’t agree with those actions.

    Shouldn’t the same apply with President Trump?

    I also don’t think most of the people on this thread are Mona and Jay’s customers anymore. It’s okay to not buy what people are selling, but is it okay to throw tomatoes at them?

    I just don’t get it. The criticism here feels much too personal, and I am also a paying member on this website. I enjoy Need to Know. I’m still buying.

    But thanks for trying to explain the perspective.

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    • March 26, 2017, at 1:17 PM PDT
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  13. cdor Member

    Lois Lane (View Comment):
    I just don’t get it. The criticism here feels much too personal, and I am also a paying member on this website. I enjoy Need to Know. I’m still buying.

    @lois-lane, your views are as valid as mine, so listen and enjoy. I used to do the same, but no longer.

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    • March 26, 2017, at 2:06 PM PDT
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  14. Lois Lane Coolidge

    @cdor

    Fair enough! I hope you enjoy some of the other podcasts on offer. ;)

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    • March 26, 2017, at 2:26 PM PDT
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  16. Lois Lane Coolidge

    DocJay (View Comment):
    These people’s attitudes and tone disgust me.

    You don’t see how that’s… um. Not constructive?

    This is the sort of invective I say about people who do things like steal money from old ladies or sell drugs to children or push lawyers out of windows to their deaths.

    It is far worse than anything I have ever heard any of these commentators say about any Trump supporters, for sure, though I do seem to recall that Jay was “disgusted” by Trump’s inaugural. I thought that was a bit of an over-reaction, yet he explained what he thought was so offensive from the speech.

    I did not vote for Donald Trump, but when the media and Democrats en masse say “[his] attitudes and tone disgust [us. We] have no intention of letting [his] sneering snide garbage slide by,” I often defend him because that seems so… overwrought.

    Instead of pushing me away from Donald Trump, the Rachel Maddows of the world have pushed me toward him.

    But this is the thing.

    Maddow would never say anything ever that praised Trump, even if he saved orphans from sharks, and these three people have. In this specific podcast.

    I listen to their criticism and think… okay. They are calling it as they see it.

    So, we must disagree on the value of their comments.

    I listen to them still. I guess you don’t.

    That’s fine!

    I wish you well regardless.

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    • March 27, 2017, at 5:07 AM PDT
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  17. Henry Castaigne Member

    DocJay (View Comment):
    These people’s attitudes and tone disgust me. I have no intention of letting their sneering snide garbage slide by.

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    • March 27, 2017, at 5:54 AM PDT
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  18. Henry Castaigne Member
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  19. George Townsend Inactive

    Lois Lane (View Comment):
    Mona did actually praise Trump as well, so I’m not sure if the posters listened to the whole podcast?

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    • March 27, 2017, at 5:56 AM PDT
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  20. Curt North Inactive

    Lois Lane (View Comment):
    I agree with the first, but I’m not sure I understand how talking about Trump’s choices is not part of that discussion. After all, when President Obama won, I didn’t say to anyone, “It’s over, move on.”

    My bad, I didn’t express that quite right. When I said it’s over, move on, I didn’t mean from Trump. He is POTUS after all and will dominate any political discussion for the next 4 years (8?). When I meant was the debate about him, should he be supported, voted for, opposed? Those are the questions that, to me anyway, were settled on election night.

    As for the personal insults, those are coming from all side but include the Nevers. Listen to their podcasts and literally count the snide remarks about Trump and the outright insults, I think you’d be surprised. We’re all grown-ups and free to say what we want, but don’t expect me to download and listen to it voluntarily.

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    • March 27, 2017, at 5:59 AM PDT
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  21. George Townsend Inactive

    Thank you, Lois! This seems to happen too much these days. Too many people only half listen to things, if they bother to listen at all. They seem poised to always be angry. If we do lose this wonderful country of ours someday, it will be, in no small part, on the backs of these types of people. One should feel sorry for them, I suppose, but they do a lot of damage!

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  22. Karl Nittinger Inactive

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):
    when Trump does conservative stuff this podcast never mentions it.

    With all due respect for the “perpetually offended Trumper” line (which couldn’t be more true), outside of the Gorsuch nomination for which Trump has gotten plenty of due credit for not getting in the way of, exactly what “conservative stuff” has Trump done that the podcast “never mentions”?

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  24. Michael Stopa Podcaster

    Karl Nittinger (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):
    when Trump does conservative stuff this podcast never mentions it.

    With all due respect for the “perpetually offended Trumper” line (which couldn’t be more true), outside of the Gorsuch nomination for which Trump has gotten plenty of due credit for not getting in the way of, exactly what “conservative stuff” has Trump done that the podcast “never mentions”?

    He has started to enforce our immigration laws.

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  26. Curt North Inactive

    DocJay (View Comment):
    Think of the most inane blind Trump enthusiast on the planet. A frothing ignorant neanderthal of a human being. Mona, Jay, and George are the 180 of that and it disgusts me. Snobs. The lot of them. It’s therapeutic for me to mock them.

    You have me chuckling Doc, well said. I’ve moved from disgust at their elitism to head shaking wonder at their blindness. I’m reminded of the legend (truth?) of the string quartet playing classical music as the Titanic sank.

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  27. Curt North Inactive

    Michael Stopa (View Comment):

    With all due respect for the “perpetually offended Trumper” line (which couldn’t be more true), outside of the Gorsuch nomination for which Trump has gotten plenty of due credit for not getting in the way of, exactly what “conservative stuff” has Trump done that the podcast “never mentions”?

    He has started to enforce our immigration laws.

    Immigration is a good start Mike, and a biggie for sure. But how about his appointment to EPA of a guy who not only questions the dogma on GW, but actually wants to roll back the regs associated with that madness? How about appointing an actual oil man to Energy? Rick Perry promises to release the energy potential we have. How about Devos at Education? A decades long advocate of actual school choice. How about Tillerson at State, who is laying down the law to the Norks and everyone else that the effete feminist man-child POTUS is a thing of the past? What about the executive order demanding two regs be repealed for every new one approved? Increased care for veterans, a promise to dismantle the deep state, calling out the UN for what it really is, more or less useless. An attempt to repeal Obama care, promised tax reform, and a government friendly to business. Are these things not conservative?

    As for a Trump voter being perpetually offended? Yeah, we might come off that way at times. Gee I wonder why that might be?

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  28. cdor Member

    Curt North (View Comment):

    Michael Stopa (View Comment):

    Asked by Karl Nittinger…and answered! Oh and let’s not forget the pipeline and oil fields. In short, anything Trump could or has done on his own without the need for Congressional passage has been nothing short of a dream come true. Still not good enough for the erudite amongst us. They are so embarrassed by us rubes.

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  29. Lois Lane Coolidge

    I am not mad at anyone. Not any Trump voter. Not any Never Trumper.

    I just think for Trump to do things beyond appointments, he will need a larger tent.

    I would like it if Democrats don’t wash all away in two years, and I’m afraid this “get out the knives” thing is going to leave everyone in the tent I’M normally in completely spent.

    Look. I don’t listen to certain shows anymore because I don’t like them. I *understand* them. I just don’t care anymore about what they have to say. For example, I find Sean Hannity’s *political commentary* insufferable. So maybe these guys are to you as Sean Hannity is to me?

    But here’s the difference.

    I don’t send notes to Sean Hannity. I don’t say he disgusts me in any episode commentary that he will read.

    I don’t tune into his show AT ALL, but I’m from Atlanta. So I know Every account of him as a *person* is that he is a nice guy. If given the chance, I’d love to go to a Braves game with Sean. We could talk Georgia.

    It’s not personal.

    Truth is over a hotdog and a beer we probably would talk politics, too, and maybe find some common ground again.

    That would be fine, too.

    That doesn’t happen if we call each other disgusting, does it?

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  30. Lois Lane Coolidge

    Curt North (View Comment):
    We’re all grown-ups and free to say what we want, but don’t expect me to download and listen to it voluntarily.

    I think that is a VERY fair position. I would not argue with it one bit.

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