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There are 12 comments.

  1. Member

    Mona and Jay,

    I love your podcasts, but you are attempting to turn me into an uber-Trumpkin with your polemics on immigration and refugee policy. It would be so beneficial if you were to invite on Mark Krikorian of the Center for Immigration Studies, or Mickey Kaus. These men are fair minded and temperate, and it would be good for them to learn from your perspective as well.

    A few facts:

    For every instance of virtue signalling we accomplish by bringing a refugee here we rob dozens of displaced people of more effective help in the camps around the world. The billion dollar refugee resettlement industrial complex is not a good use of our humanitarian dollars.

    Refugees today are not like refugees of the good ol’ days, and the gentlemen named above can tell you why without being bigoted yahoos.

    I could go on but I’m not even sure you look at the comments anymore, since Mona was so unfairly abused here for so long. Please consider my request, and if you would respond to let me know you saw the comment it would be appreciated.

    • #1
    • September 22, 2018 at 7:27 pm
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  2. Contributor

    I saw your comment, but you’re not wrong that I’ve mostly stopped reading them. A number of years ago we hosted an immigration debate on NTK featuring Ann Coulter and Clint Bolick. You might find it interesting. 

    • #2
    • September 23, 2018 at 3:37 am
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  3. Contributor

    And here’s something else that I found interesting: https://www.rescue.org/article/why-should-america-take-more-refugees-get-facts-refugee-cap

     

    • #3
    • September 23, 2018 at 3:40 am
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    Petty Boozswha (View Comment):

    Mona and Jay,

    I love your podcasts, but you are attempting to turn me into an uber-Trumpkin with your polemics on immigration and refugee policy. It would be so beneficial if you were to invite on Mark Krikorian of the Center for Immigration Studies, or Mickey Kaus. These men are fair minded and temperate, and it would be good for them to learn from your perspective as well.

    A few facts:

    For every instance of virtue signalling we accomplish by bringing a refugee here we rob dozens of displaced people of more effective help in the camps around the world. The billion dollar refugee resettlement industrial complex is not a good use of our humanitarian dollars.

    Refugees today are not like refugees of the good ol’ days, and the gentlemen named above can tell you why without being bigoted yahoos.

    I could go on but I’m not even sure you look at the comments anymore, since Mona was so unfairly abused here for so long. Please consider my request, and if you would respond to let me know you saw the comment it would be appreciated.

    This is very interesting. I often am disposed to take what Mona and Jay – especially Mona – as almost Holy Writ. By I am really so confused when it comes to immigration. It seems everyone has his own statistics. I would love to hear a rational low wattage discussion as to the respective positions.

    I also take Petty’s point about Mona: She’s been horribly treated by some Ricochetti. I wouldn’t blame if she doesn’t read the comments anymore. But I hope she does. There are many of us who will always love her.

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    • September 23, 2018 at 4:54 am
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    Mona Charen (View Comment):

    And here’s something else that I found interesting: https://www.rescue.org/article/why-should-america-take-more-refugees-get-facts-refugee-cap

     

    Hi, Mona!

    I posted your comment before I saw yours.

    Thanks for the link. It is interesting piece. I think many conservatives would agree we need refugees. I think the point today is, with this whole new thing of Islamic Terror, we do have to watch out about the person under the guise, possibly, of being a refugee, might real damage to our land.

    I am still confused about the Illegal Alien Issue. Seems that everyone has his own statistics.

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    • September 23, 2018 at 5:06 am
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  6. Member

    Thanks so much for responding. I like Ann Coulter, but she’s more of a bomb thrower than a persuader. I really wish you would consider Krikorian. I’ll look at the article you recommended this afternoon.

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    • September 23, 2018 at 9:05 am
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    Petty Boozswha (View Comment):

    Thanks so much for responding. I like Ann Coulter, but she’s more of a bomb thrower than a persuader. I really wish you would consider Krikorian. I’ll look at the article you recommended this afternoon.

     I used t0 like Ann, Petty. She’s very smart, and does great research. But she is not just a bomb thrower. She was on Comedy Central a while back, and I can’t even begin to recite the blue language that was used to taut this woman. And she took it. All because she had a book there that she wanted to sell. She has no respect even for herself. She’d rather sell books!

    • #7
    • September 23, 2018 at 9:19 am
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  8. Coolidge

    George Townsend (View Comment):

    Mona Charen (View Comment):

    And here’s something else that I found interesting: https://www.rescue.org/article/why-should-america-take-more-refugees-get-facts-refugee-cap

    Hi, Mona!

    I posted your comment before I saw yours.

    Thanks for the link. It is interesting piece. I think many conservatives would agree we need refugees. I think the point today is, with this whole new thing of Islamic Terror, we do have to watch out about the person under the guise, possibly, of being a refugee, might real damage to our land.

    I am still confused about the Illegal Alien Issue. Seems that everyone has his own statistics.

    Yes, everybody has his own statistics, but that’s on the economic side of the question. On the political side of the question, well, let’s say immigration advocates quickly change the subject.

    After the Goldwater debacle, when it appeared the Republican Party was heading for extinction, and the Democrats ran everything, Ted Kennedy rewrote our immigration laws to keep out educated people from Europe and admit more illiterates from the Third World.

    This was a cold political calculation of what would benefit the Democratic Party at the expense of the country: middle-class people might vote one way or the other, but the poor and ignorant are cheap to bribe and easily integrated into the Democrats’ urban political machines.

    Thus, when people talk about the benefits of immigration prior to 1965, they are simply talking about a different beast than immigration after 1965, even on the economic side of the question.

    Politically speaking, of course, immigration after 1965 means “admitting more Democrat voters“. The end of that process is a United States that looks like California, a land of rich and poor with a vestigial Republican Party.

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    • September 23, 2018 at 9:25 am
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    Taras (View Comment):

    George Townsend (View Comment):

    Mona Charen (View Comment):

    And here’s something else that I found interesting: https://www.rescue.org/article/why-should-america-take-more-refugees-get-facts-refugee-cap

    Hi, Mona!

    I posted your comment before I saw yours.

    Thanks for the link. It is interesting piece. I think many conservatives would agree we need refugees. I think the point today is, with this whole new thing of Islamic Terror, we do have to watch out about the person under the guise, possibly, of being a refugee, might real damage to our land.

    I am still confused about the Illegal Alien Issue. Seems that everyone has his own statistics.

    Yes, everybody has his own statistics, but that’s on the economic side of the question. On the political side of the question, well, let’s say immigration advocates quickly change the subject.

    After the Goldwater debacle, when it appeared the Republican Party was heading for extinction, and the Democrats ran everything, Ted Kennedy rewrote our immigration laws to keep out educated people from Europe and admit more illiterates from the Third World.

    This was a cold political calculation of what would benefit the Democratic Party at the expense of the country: middle-class people might vote one way or the other, but the poor and ignorant are cheap to bribe and easily integrated into the Democrats’ urban political machines.

    Thus, when people talk about the benefits of immigration prior to 1965, they are simply talking about a different beast than immigration after 1965, even on the economic side of the question.

    Politically speaking, of course, immigration after 1965 means “admitting more Democrat voters“. The end of that process is a United States that looks like California, a land of rich and poor with a vestigial Republican Party.

    I think this is well-taken. But can we follow up? Has there ever been a study about the voting patterns of immigrants after 1965? 

    Also, this does not answer to how badly we’ve been affected by illegal immigration. I don’t think it is good to conflate the two.

    • #9
    • September 23, 2018 at 9:51 am
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  10. Coolidge

    @georgetownsend — Well, here’s Thomas M. Holbrook in the Washington Post, June 26, 2016:

    As recently as the 1970s, naturalized citizens used to “look” a lot like the native-born population; they were roughly the same race, ethnicity, party and ideology.

    But by the 2000s, the foreign-born citizen population had become overwhelmingly non-white, mostly of Latin American and Asian and Pacific Islander descent. And substantially more of today’s immigrant voters are Democratic and liberal than we see among the native-born population.

    He goes on to point out that states that moved from competitive to solidly Democratic, or from solidly Republican to competitive, are the states with the largest proportion of foreign-born.

    Around the same time, another article broke down Hispanic voter preferences as 58% Clinton, 20% Trump, 13% Johnson.

    • #10
    • September 24, 2018 at 9:54 am
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    Taras (View Comment):

    @georgetownsend — Well, here’s Thomas M. Holbrook in the Washington Post, June 26, 2016:

    As recently as the 1970s, naturalized citizens used to “look” a lot like the native-born population; they were roughly the same race, ethnicity, party and ideology.

    But by the 2000s, the foreign-born citizen population had become overwhelmingly non-white, mostly of Latin American and Asian and Pacific Islander descent. And substantially more of today’s immigrant voters are Democratic and liberal than we see among the native-born population.

    He goes on to point out that states that moved from competitive to solidly Democratic, or from solidly Republican to competitive, are the states with the largest proportion of foreign-born.

    Around the same time, another article broke down Hispanic voter preferences as 58% Clinton, 20% Trump, 13% Johnson.

    Thank you.

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    • September 24, 2018 at 10:10 am
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  12. Member

    In regards to Jay’s point about the tragic murders in Iowa of two young women (not sure what the point was), I don’t view learning lessons from the murders to necessarily be “politicizing” them.

    Immigrants should be vetted to prevent as many sociopaths as possible from entering the country, meaning secure the border! The tragic murder of the young woman golfer by a homeless man encamped near the campus suggests to me that cities should not allow such encampments, given the higher likelihood of the criminal element being among the homeless. The homeless should be required to live in shelters where they can be monitored and if possible helped.

    • #12
    • September 25, 2018 at 1:08 am
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