The Rock and Roll Show

It’s a special episode dedicated to the election that divides the nation this November, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Fans are eligible to vote for inductees up to December 15. We’re here to present all the critical information necessary to inform your decision.

* Qualifications – Who gets in the RR HOF and why? Also a review of potential Rock and Roll analytics.

* Worst Rock and Roll Hall of Fame members – How did these people get in and why? Finally, peole saying what needs to be said about The Moonglows and the Sex Pistols.

* Current Hall of Fame nominees – We break down the most likely scenarios of who gets in and draft our 2017 classes. Also, exclusive audio of some unfortunate new attack ads this controversial election has generated. And don’t forget to express YOUR opinion on who will get in, via this poll.

* What were we drinking during the episode? GraniteCity’s The Bennie Bock and Pabst Blue Ribbon.

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There are 12 comments.

  1. Podkayne of Israel Member

    Maybe they need some other halls of fame for other genres. I get the feeling they just don’t want to leave some of these old guys out in the cold. I am willing to make an exception for soul music though, because it’s got a beat, you can dance to it.I went to the poll site and put in my 2 cents, and I agree, the pickings were pretty slim.

    Using “Pictures at an Exhibition” as the background music for your promo was clever.

    Regarding ELO, this is all I have to say:

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    • December 11, 2016, at 12:46 AM PDT
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  2. Johnnie Alum 13 Coolidge

    You spent an hour discussing the Rock and Roll HOF and no mention of the over 20 years of snubs to Chicago. They were first eligible in 1994 and weren’t inducted until 2016. They should have been inducted in the first year they were eligible. 23 gold, 18 platinum, and 8 multi-platinum albums. 5 number one albums. 21 top-ten singles. All of that, yet they were continually snubbed.

    I think the biggest current snub is Paul Revere and the Raiders.

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    • December 11, 2016, at 10:37 AM PDT
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  3. angelasg Member

    Very enjoyable podcast.

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    • December 11, 2016, at 11:55 AM PDT
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  4. Freesmith Inactive

    @johnniealum13 At least Chicago made it.

    What about Yes? Ever heard of them? As the boys point out they still haven’t made the cut.

    The reason, of which neither Paul nor Brian seem aware, is the formerly main criterion for selection – the judgment of Rolling Stone’s Jann Wenner.

    Wenner shaped the RRHF around his own aesthetic as much as possible and that aesthetic defines rock less as music than as social revolution – “modernism in the streets.” Those groups and performers who shatter tradition, are iconoclastic, spit on conformity, are black (blacks are always honorary rebels to the anti-bourgeois white leftist) or pose as Artaud or Rimbaud in their estrangement from ticky-tacky America are guaranteed slots no matter the thinness of their resumes – Hello Sex Pistols, Tom Waits, Patti Smith and Iggy & the Stooges. Wenner hated Yes.

    Huge album sales and sold-out concerts tallied by a Rush or similar performer may win out in the long run, although it has yet to work for Yes, Journey or other “prog-rock” bands; but if you can throw some counter-cultural alienation into the mix your path is greased.

    American music fundamentally transformed into a posture of anti-Americanism by an ideological entrepreneur who created the main conduit of opinion and enforced his perspective.

    I say this not out of a sense of prog-rock partisanship. I’m a Yardbirds, Bowie, Blue Oyster Cult fan myself. (Two out of three in the RRHF)

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    • December 11, 2016, at 6:09 PM PDT
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  5. Brian Ward Contributor

    Who’s ready for some Rock and Roll!?

    Maybe you’ll hear some after this from RRHOF member Tom Waits.

    A little Waits vintage Xmas cheer, set in Minneapolis. (It’s not rock and roll, but I like it).

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    • December 11, 2016, at 6:44 PM PDT
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  6. Grey Lady Inactive

    Paul, I had to weigh in on your accent. I found it funny that you say you have the strongest Minnesota accent in your family because I find myself in a similar situation. I moved from the Midwest (Iowa) to south Georgia when I was 10, yet I have the strongest Southern accent of anyone in my family – including my younger sister who was 5 when we moved and my youngest sister who was born in the South. Not sure how that happens, but I guess it’s like Jay Nordlinger says: The most contagious thing is an accent.

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    • December 12, 2016, at 5:46 AM PDT
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  7. Merrijane Inactive

    $200 or $200,000 off on the Simpli Safe? Because the second number really would be too good to pass up.

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    • December 12, 2016, at 7:23 AM PDT
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  8. Randy Webster Member

    I believe Laura Nyro was pronounced as Nero.

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    • December 12, 2016, at 7:41 AM PDT
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  9. Freesmith Inactive

    By the way, when will American journalism look into the long history of blatant sexism in the behavior of rock and roll’s biggest stars?

    It is my understanding that Mick, Jimi, Axel and many others did not ask for consent before each step of the courtship process with the young ladies who wanted to meet them. There may even have been some feline-grabbing going on in these encounters. Rape may not be too strong a word.

    It is an outrage if this has been systematically covered up by the sentinels of progressive left journalism such as Rolling Stone. It is time to demand answers from Jann Wenner and his magazine’s staff.

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    • December 12, 2016, at 9:34 AM PDT
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  10. WinterMute Coolidge

    I totally disregarded the instructions and voted for the ones I wanted to get in. If Yes can start a wave of prog rock inductees then maybe there’s hope yet for Jethro Tull. You want to talk about a tough time picking through lineups? Sheesh.

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    • December 12, 2016, at 3:17 PM PDT
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  11. EDISONPARKS Member

    Johnnie Alum 13:You spent an hour discussing the Rock and Roll HOF and no mention of the over 20 years of snubs to Chicago. They were first eligible in 1994 and weren’t inducted until 2016. They should have been inducted in the first year they were eligible. 23 gold, 18 platinum, and 8 multi-platinum albums. 5 number one albums. 21 top-ten singles. All of that, yet they were continually snubbed.

    I think the biggest current snub is Paul Revere and the Raiders.

    When Chicago first came out in the late 1960’s they and had some successful hits they were considered quite progressive and they played long instrumental numbers live and on albums. As time went on (ie: the 1970’s) they had very popular hits on both AM and FM but were still considered a pretty cool rock and roll band. After Terry Kath died their music for whatever reason went a “different direction”(ie: David Foster/Record label demands for more $$HITS$$?) and Chicago achieved popular music super stardom with classic ballady bubble gummy pop hits.

    I’m guessing many RRHOF voters must have viewed Chicago through the prism of their 1980’s (David Foster influenced) pop music super star era and looked askance at Chicago as not true Rock and Rollers, which is ridiculous given Chicago’s vast body of work and early and middle success (and you probably have to throw in Chicago’s 1980’s pop music too)

    It was disrespectful(in my opinion) to make Chicago wait so long to get in, but they’re in so I’ll shut up about it.

    Anyhow I love Chicago and Terry Kath (who is from my neighborhood in Chicago = Norwood Park):

    Not much good live Chicago on You Tube, but this Terry Kath 25 or 6 to 4 (written by Robert Lamm … not Terry) shows Kath’s guitar work and how Chicago could rock and roll:

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    • December 13, 2016, at 3:45 PM PDT
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  12. Brian Ward Contributor

    EDISONPARKS: Not much good live Chicago on You Tube, but this Terry Kath 25 or 6 to 4 (written by Robert Lamm … not Terry) shows Kath’s guitar work and how Chicago could rock and roll:

    Wow, great clip. Even Cetera comes across as funky.

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    • December 13, 2016, at 6:53 PM PDT
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