The Big Lie

 

In recent interviews, Liz Cheney has been calling President Trump’s insistence that the 2020 election was stolen “The Big Lie.” And over the weekend the mainstream media has been beside themselves over the forensic audit underway in Arizona. Today, President Trump decided to take those words and shove them back in the faces of spineless Republicans like her, Kevin McCarthy, and others by issuing the following statement:

Of course, Cheney doubled down on her assertions, and – much like every other Republican leader – has refused to actually debate the mountains of evidence most of us recognized immediately and have been daring others to examine ever since. One person who’s been front and center in all of this is Jenna Ellis, the president’s attorney who threw down a gauntlet of her own:
I love this, all of it. It reminds me that there are still a few people out there willing to have it out with the weak-kneed gatekeepers who care almost nothing about truth and even less about consequences. Will Cheney or any of the other media sycophants have the courage to debate any of our best and brightest on actual facts? Will conservative media outlets like Ricochet be willing to provide a forum?

This isn’t going away now, matter how much the hand-wringing NeverTrumpers want it to. I (and others like me) won’t sit quietly while these people desecrate our country and its laws. It’s beyond time to take a side on who is lying to whom. I stand with the president – not the usurper sitting in his chair, but the real one, who’s willing to call out a lie when he sees it, even if everyone else is afraid to.

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  1. kedavis Coolidge
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    The case about Zuckerberg and the Democrat law fair is more sensible even though nothing could be done about it except the legislatures just throwing out the results. Zuckerberg and the Democrats completely capitalized on COVID-19. I don’t think Zuckerberg did anything until the middle of September. The GOP was warned about the Democrat law fair but nobody saw Zuckerberg coming. He literally doubled the election budget and then skewed the whole thing towards the Democrats in the key states. He even hired Democrat operatives as government employees. Perfectly legal and obviously wrong. You can’t have private people renting the government.

    I would like to see people use the “proper” form of lawfare, or law-fare.  Calling it law fair makes it sound like they’re doing the right – the fair – thing.

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  2. RufusRJones Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    The case about Zuckerberg and the Democrat law fair is more sensible even though nothing could be done about it except the legislatures just throwing out the results. Zuckerberg and the Democrats completely capitalized on COVID-19. I don’t think Zuckerberg did anything until the middle of September. The GOP was warned about the Democrat law fair but nobody saw Zuckerberg coming. He literally doubled the election budget and then skewed the whole thing towards the Democrats in the key states. He even hired Democrat operatives as government employees. Perfectly legal and obviously wrong. You can’t have private people renting the government.

    I would like to see people use the “proper” form of lawfare, or law-fare. Calling it law fair makes it sound like they’re doing the right – the fair – thing.

    I hate correcting it every time.

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  3. RufusRJones Member
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    Discuss

     

     

     

     

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  4. Gary Robbins Member
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    Liz Cheney is one of the most conservative Republicans in Congress today.  She just wouldn’t abide Trump’s Big Lie, nor the riot he provoked.

    Liz Cheney, standing, speaks to Donald Trump, seated at the Resolute Desk. Several women stand behind them.

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  5. Gary Robbins Member
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    A quote from John Kasich, former Governor of Ohio:

    The GOP effort to expel Liz Cheney from leadership is going to backfire. Her influence and support will grow the more they make her a martyr.  She’s taking the side of truth and defending the Constitution. It wasn’t long ago those were key principles of the Republican Party.

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  6. namlliT noD Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    The case about Zuckerberg and the Democrat law fair is more sensible even though nothing could be done about it except the legislatures just throwing out the results. Zuckerberg and the Democrats completely capitalized on COVID-19. I don’t think Zuckerberg did anything until the middle of September. The GOP was warned about the Democrat law fair but nobody saw Zuckerberg coming. He literally doubled the election budget and then skewed the whole thing towards the Democrats in the key states. He even hired Democrat operatives as government employees. Perfectly legal and obviously wrong. You can’t have private people renting the government.

    Correct me if I’m wrong here… and that’s quite possible…

    But didn’t Zuckerberg’s contributions serve to consolidate the vote tallying operations to centralized facilities located in cities… where they could staff them with Antifa and BLM workers?

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  7. Flicker Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    The case about Zuckerberg and the Democrat law fair is more sensible even though nothing could be done about it except the legislatures just throwing out the results. Zuckerberg and the Democrats completely capitalized on COVID-19. I don’t think Zuckerberg did anything until the middle of September. The GOP was warned about the Democrat law fair but nobody saw Zuckerberg coming. He literally doubled the election budget and then skewed the whole thing towards the Democrats in the key states. He even hired Democrat operatives as government employees. Perfectly legal and obviously wrong. You can’t have private people renting the government.

    I would like to see people use the “proper” form of lawfare, or law-fare. Calling it law fair makes it sound like they’re doing the right – the fair – thing.

    I thought law fair was deliberate and evocative.  I thought of a Renaissance Fair, a free for all, a happy optimistic place where giddy people dress up and act out outlandish roles and win glittering prizes.

    • #157
  8. RufusRJones Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    A quote from John Kasich, former Governor of Ohio:

    The GOP effort to expel Liz Cheney from leadership is going to backfire. Her influence and support will grow the more they make her a martyr. She’s taking the side of truth and defending the Constitution. It wasn’t long ago those were key principles of the Republican Party.

    I cannot understand why you are so enthused about Kasich. You whine about who is really conservative. I think if you looked into it you wouldn’t be happy with him.

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  9. RufusRJones Member
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    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    The case about Zuckerberg and the Democrat law fair is more sensible even though nothing could be done about it except the legislatures just throwing out the results. Zuckerberg and the Democrats completely capitalized on COVID-19. I don’t think Zuckerberg did anything until the middle of September. The GOP was warned about the Democrat law fair but nobody saw Zuckerberg coming. He literally doubled the election budget and then skewed the whole thing towards the Democrats in the key states. He even hired Democrat operatives as government employees. Perfectly legal and obviously wrong. You can’t have private people renting the government.

    Correct me if I’m wrong here… and that’s quite possible…

    But didn’t Zuckerberg’s contributions serve to consolidate the vote tallying operations to centralized facilities located in cities… where they could staff them with Antifa and BLM workers?

    Probably. I don’t know about that aspect of the operations, other than the new employees were all Democrat operatives. 

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  10. RufusRJones Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    The case about Zuckerberg and the Democrat law fair is more sensible even though nothing could be done about it except the legislatures just throwing out the results. Zuckerberg and the Democrats completely capitalized on COVID-19. I don’t think Zuckerberg did anything until the middle of September. The GOP was warned about the Democrat law fair but nobody saw Zuckerberg coming. He literally doubled the election budget and then skewed the whole thing towards the Democrats in the key states. He even hired Democrat operatives as government employees. Perfectly legal and obviously wrong. You can’t have private people renting the government.

    Correct me if I’m wrong here… and that’s quite possible…

    But didn’t Zuckerberg’s contributions serve to consolidate the vote tallying operations to centralized facilities located in cities… where they could staff them with Antifa and BLM workers?

    Probably. I don’t know about that aspect of the operations, other than the new employees were all Democrat operatives.

    There were dozens and dozens of extra drop boxes in democrat areas and all of the new employees had all kinds of cars to go get the ballots and drive voters around. That was definitely in the reporting. They had a whole operation to put up advertising in these areas, as well.

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  11. Vince Guerra Inactive
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    AdamSmithFan (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    AdamSmithFan (View Comment):
    Now here’s the hard part for Trumpists. Those ballots didn’t come close to deciding the electoral margin.

    How do you know that? The contested states in total only had a 48,000 difference.

    Less than 10,000 votes in PA came in after the three day cut off. All should have been binned before I’m called a leftist again. But nowhere near enough to change the outcome

    You have no way of knowing the actual vote totals be they mail in, drop box, or ballots cast in person before, during, or after election day nor any way of identifying the invalid from the valid because they’ve thrown out all of the safeguards. So please, stop quoting numbers and margins unless you’re willing to allow us to verify them all by hand. That is the point. 

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  12. RufusRJones Member
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    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    AdamSmithFan (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    AdamSmithFan (View Comment):
    Now here’s the hard part for Trumpists. Those ballots didn’t come close to deciding the electoral margin.

    How do you know that? The contested states in total only had a 48,000 difference.

    Less than 10,000 votes in PA came in after the three day cut off. All should have been binned before I’m called a leftist again. But nowhere near enough to change the outcome

    You have no way of knowing the actual vote totals be they mail in, drop box, or ballots cast in person before, during, or after election day nor any way of identifying the invalid from the valid because they’ve thrown out all of the safeguards. So please, stop quoting numbers and margins unless you’re willing to allow us to verify them all by hand. That is the point.

    The chain of custody was so bad in so many areas. That is just a fact.

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  13. kedavis Coolidge
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    The case about Zuckerberg and the Democrat law fair is more sensible even though nothing could be done about it except the legislatures just throwing out the results. Zuckerberg and the Democrats completely capitalized on COVID-19. I don’t think Zuckerberg did anything until the middle of September. The GOP was warned about the Democrat law fair but nobody saw Zuckerberg coming. He literally doubled the election budget and then skewed the whole thing towards the Democrats in the key states. He even hired Democrat operatives as government employees. Perfectly legal and obviously wrong. You can’t have private people renting the government.

    I would like to see people use the “proper” form of lawfare, or law-fare. Calling it law fair makes it sound like they’re doing the right – the fair – thing.

    I thought law fair was deliberate and evocative. I thought of a Renaissance Fair, a free for all, a happy optimistic place where giddy people dress up and act out outlandish roles and win glittering prizes.

    If it was a title – and I usually see it as Renaissance Faire, actually – and hence capitalized, that’s different.  But just as what appears to be more of a description, it seems… unfortunate, at best.

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  14. kedavis Coolidge
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    A quote from John Kasich, former Governor of Ohio:

    The GOP effort to expel Liz Cheney from leadership is going to backfire. Her influence and support will grow the more they make her a martyr. She’s taking the side of truth and defending the Constitution. It wasn’t long ago those were key principles of the Republican Party.

    I cannot understand why you are so enthused about Kasich. You whine about who is really conservative. I think if you looked into it you wouldn’t be happy with him.

    Or, that Gary thinks Kasich is some kind of conservative standard-bearer, speaks additional volumes.

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  15. Hoyacon Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    A quote from John Kasich, former Governor of Ohio:

    The GOP effort to expel Liz Cheney from leadership is going to backfire. Her influence and support will grow the more they make her a martyr. She’s taking the side of truth and defending the Constitution. It wasn’t long ago those were key principles of the Republican Party.

    I’m wondering why someone who appears to be supportive of Cheney would quote the likes of Kasich.  Or does Biden support go hand in hand with reverence for Kasich?

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  16. Vince Guerra Inactive
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    A quote from John Kasich, former Governor of Ohio:

    The GOP effort to expel Liz Cheney from leadership is going to backfire. Her influence and support will grow the more they make her a martyr. She’s taking the side of truth and defending the Constitution. It wasn’t long ago those were key principles of the Republican Party.

    I cannot understand why you are so enthused about Kasich. You whine about who is really conservative. I think if you looked into it you wouldn’t be happy with him.

    Or, that Gary thinks Kasich is some kind of conservative standard-bearer, speaks additional volumes.

    Way to bolster the case for an out-of-touch, nationally despised, and locally rejected leader by asking for commentary from a nationally rejected, nationally despised, and locally out-of-touch former loser to Trump. He does know a thing or two about betraying conservatives though, so it makes sense that Gary likes him. 

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  17. kedavis Coolidge
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    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    A quote from John Kasich, former Governor of Ohio:

    The GOP effort to expel Liz Cheney from leadership is going to backfire. Her influence and support will grow the more they make her a martyr. She’s taking the side of truth and defending the Constitution. It wasn’t long ago those were key principles of the Republican Party.

    I cannot understand why you are so enthused about Kasich. You whine about who is really conservative. I think if you looked into it you wouldn’t be happy with him.

    Or, that Gary thinks Kasich is some kind of conservative standard-bearer, speaks additional volumes.

    Way to bolster the case for an out-of-touch, nationally despised, and locally rejected leader by asking for commentary from a nationally rejected, nationally despised, and locally out-of-touch former loser to Trump. He does know a thing or two about betraying conservatives though, so it makes sense that Gary likes him.

    Maybe Liz Cheney is trying to replace Kasich as a leader in that role.  :-)

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  18. Jim Beck Inactive
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    Evening Gary @garyrobbins,

    Liz Cheney has a blinded, selfish heart. 

    https://thefederalist.com/2021/04/16/liz-cheney-was-a-primary-culprit-of-spreading-fake-news-on-russian-bounties-to-undermine-trump/

    She is not a person to be trusted to put the interests of the country ahead of her ambitions.  You are digging a deeper hole by suggesting that she is a worthy leader.  Her actions concerning the spreading of the false rumors of bounties were not honorable.

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  19. JamesSalerno Inactive
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Liz Cheney is one of the most conservative Republicans in Congress today. She just wouldn’t abide Trump’s Big Lie, nor the riot he provoked.

    Liz Cheney, standing, speaks to Donald Trump, seated at the Resolute Desk. Several women stand behind them.

    Conserving the New Deal. Conserving cronyism that the Republican party has promoted since 1865 outside of a few actual conservatives that attached themselves to the party. Conserving the Woodrow Wilson globalism that nearly every 20th and 21st century president promoted, and got millions killed over. Submit to global democracy, or we will bomb the hell out of you. Conserving the second founding of the United States and destruction of the constitution and federalism. What an elite class you associate with. What an awful, disgusting group of human beings.

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  20. AdamSmithFan Inactive
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    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    AdamSmithFan (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    AdamSmithFan (View Comment):
    Now here’s the hard part for Trumpists. Those ballots didn’t come close to deciding the electoral margin.

    How do you know that? The contested states in total only had a 48,000 difference.

    Less than 10,000 votes in PA came in after the three day cut off. All should have been binned before I’m called a leftist again. But nowhere near enough to change the outcome

    You have no way of knowing the actual vote totals be they mail in, drop box, or ballots cast in person before, during, or after election day nor any way of identifying the invalid from the valid because they’ve thrown out all of the safeguards. So please, stop quoting numbers and margins unless you’re willing to allow us to verify them all by hand. That is the point.

    Hang on a second here. The 10,000 figure is correct because those ballots were separated from the all the others as per Alito’s order, while they waited for SCOTUS to rule. That’s why as correct as Justice Thomas was in his opinion that the case should be heard and presumably then those ballots rejected, there’s still nowhere near enough votes, in that specific context, to overturn PA. So if you’re quoting that opinion to support your argument, you’re way off the mark.

    As always, there is no amount of proof would satisfy you so why ask for it continually? You guys are like leftists. How could our hero lose? Had to be fraud!!! Same way they blame money in politics or voter suppression or some other BS. Plus you whine just as much as they do. It’s like listening to John Kerry in ‘04. Who cares what the evidence is, we know we won. It’s  fitting that you’ve come to reflect your hero and his whining, fact free, self indulgence.

    But of course if you don’t worship the former democrat, vulgar, draft dodging, philandering, former pro choice and gun control supporter, who’s spent his life lying and cheating-including while his current wife was pregnant- you’re not the real conservative.

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  21. Gary Robbins Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    A quote from John Kasich, former Governor of Ohio:

    The GOP effort to expel Liz Cheney from leadership is going to backfire. Her influence and support will grow the more they make her a martyr. She’s taking the side of truth and defending the Constitution. It wasn’t long ago those were key principles of the Republican Party.

    I cannot understand why you are so enthused about Kasich. You whine about who is really conservative. I think if you looked into it you wouldn’t be happy with him.

    Or, that Gary thinks Kasich is some kind of conservative standard-bearer, speaks additional volumes.

    I remember when Kasich was the Chair of the House Budget Committee. 

    I also remember Kasich winning re-election in 2014 by a 31 point margin, after Obama had carried Ohio when Obama ran for President. 

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  22. Gary Robbins Member
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    JamesSalerno (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Liz Cheney is one of the most conservative Republicans in Congress today. She just wouldn’t abide Trump’s Big Lie, nor the riot he provoked.

    Liz Cheney, standing, speaks to Donald Trump, seated at the Resolute Desk. Several women stand behind them.

    Conserving the New Deal. Conserving cronyism that the Republican party has promoted since 1865 outside of a few actual conservatives that attached themselves to the party. Conserving the Woodrow Wilson globalism that nearly every 20th and 21st century president promoted, and got millions killed over. Submit to global democracy, or we will bomb the hell out of you. Conserving the second founding of the United States and destruction of the constitution and federalism. What an elite class you associate with. What an awful, disgusting group of human beings.

    I will put you down as a “maybe.”

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  23. Gary Robbins Member
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    Here is a great quote by Amanda Carpenter about Kevin McCarthy’s “leadership”:

    “If Cheney is ousted, McCarthy will be the feckless House Republican leader who acted as the toady enforcer of Trump’s dangerous election lies. Every Democrat can say, with a straight face, that in Kevin’s House, lying is a litmus test for leadership.

    “This dispute has nothing to do with policy. Cheney is a rock-ribbed Republican with a strong conservative voting record. It’s purely about psychology and how the party is continuing to transform away from conservative policy and into a cult of personality. Otherwise, the plain facts that Cheney has stated about the events on January 6 wouldn’t be at all controversial.

    “The other problem for McCarthy is that when Cheney speaks the truth, she makes people like him look bad. She’s a reminder that 147 Republicans voted to object to certifying Biden as president even after the insurrection. The contrast between Cheney and the people groveling to Trump, insisting that he still should be leader of the party, is too uncomfortable.”

    https://thebulwark.com/kevin-mccarthy-master-of-strategery/

     

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  24. kedavis Coolidge
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    Well, I certainly rely on The Bulwark for all of MY news and analysis!

     

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  25. Gary Robbins Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Well, I certainly rely on The Bulwark for all of MY news and analysis!

    And The Dispatch and National Review.

    From The Dispatch:

    “Careful observers will have noticed something peculiar in this chain of events: McCarthy is moving to push Cheney out of her leadership position for saying in May what he’d said repeatedly himself months before. McCarthy knows that Trump is lying about the election. He knows that Cheney is telling the truth. And he’s choosing Trump anyway.

    “A politician with a modicum of moral sensibility might be embarrassed by the embrace of such an obvious falsehood. Kevin McCarthy is not such a politician. Two weeks after declaring on the House floor that Donald Trump “bears responsibility for Wednesday’s attack on Congress by mob rioters,” McCarthy traveled to Mar-a-Lago to enlist Trump’s help in achieving his career-long objective of becoming speaker of the House.”

    https://thedispatch.com/p/kevin-mccarthys-gop-is-tired-of-hearing

    From National Review:

    “Of course, at the end of the day, the problem isn’t that Cheney is making controversial statements; the problem is that Republicans consider her obviously true statements to be controversial.

    “If there was any doubt, this was made all the more clear when Trump endorsed Representative Elise Stefanik to succeed Cheney. While Cheney voted 92.9 percent of the time with Trump’s position on actual issues, according to FiveThirtyEight, Stefanik only did so 77.7 percent of the time. As for hawkishness, Stefanik disagreed with Trump’s proposed withdrawal from Syria. And when Trump wanted to withdraw from Afghanistan, Stefanik proudly co-sponsored the Ensuring a Secure Afghanistan Act, declaring that, “The consequences of President Obama’s premature withdrawal from Iraq were far too significant for us to risk making the same mistake in Afghanistan.” The lead sponsor of that bill was none other than Liz Cheney.

    “It’s a sad commentary on the state of the House GOP that this has now become a condition of advancement.”

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/05/liz-cheney-is-not-the-problem/

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  26. RufusRJones Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    A quote from John Kasich, former Governor of Ohio:

    The GOP effort to expel Liz Cheney from leadership is going to backfire. Her influence and support will grow the more they make her a martyr. She’s taking the side of truth and defending the Constitution. It wasn’t long ago those were key principles of the Republican Party.

    I cannot understand why you are so enthused about Kasich. You whine about who is really conservative. I think if you looked into it you wouldn’t be happy with him.

    Or, that Gary thinks Kasich is some kind of conservative standard-bearer, speaks additional volumes.

    I remember when Kasich was the Chair of the House Budget Committee.

    I also remember Kasich winning re-election in 2014 by a 31 point margin, after Obama had carried Ohio when Obama ran for President.

    He isn’t the same after he worked at Morgan Stanley. He governed totally as a RINO in Ohio. Totally expanded Medicaid.

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  27. kedavis Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Well, I certainly rely on The Bulwark for all of MY news and analysis!

    And The Dispatch and National Review.

    From The Dispatch:

    “Careful observers will have noticed something peculiar in this chain of events: McCarthy is moving to push Cheney out of her leadership position for saying in May what he’d said repeatedly himself months before. McCarthy knows that Trump is lying about the election. He knows that Cheney is telling the truth. And he’s choosing Trump anyway.

    “A politician with a modicum of moral sensibility might be embarrassed by the embrace of such an obvious falsehood. Kevin McCarthy is not such a politician. Two weeks after declaring on the House floor that Donald Trump “bears responsibility for Wednesday’s attack on Congress by mob rioters,” McCarthy traveled to Mar-a-Lago to enlist Trump’s help in achieving his career-long objective of becoming speaker of the House.”

    https://thedispatch.com/p/kevin-mccarthys-gop-is-tired-of-hearing

    From National Review:

    “Of course, at the end of the day, the problem isn’t that Cheney is making controversial statements; the problem is that Republicans consider her obviously true statements to be controversial.

    “If there was any doubt, this was made all the more clear when Trump endorsed Representative Elise Stefanik to succeed Cheney. While Cheney voted 92.9 percent of the time with Trump’s position on actual issues, according to FiveThirtyEight, Stefanik only did so 77.7 percent of the time. As for hawkishness, Stefanik disagreed with Trump’s proposed withdrawal from Syria. And when Trump wanted to withdraw from Afghanistan, Stefanik proudly co-sponsored the Ensuring a Secure Afghanistan Act, declaring that, “The consequences of President Obama’s premature withdrawal from Iraq were far too significant for us to risk making the same mistake in Afghanistan.” The lead sponsor of that bill was none other than Liz Cheney.

    “But unlike Cheney, Stefanik stood with Trump by peddling his mendacious claims and voting against certification of President Biden’s Electoral College victory.

    “It’s a sad commentary on the state of the House GOP that this has now become a condition of advancement.”

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/05/liz-cheney-is-not-the-problem/

    See previous response.

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  28. Gary Robbins Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Well, I certainly rely on The Bulwark for all of MY news and analysis!

    And The Dispatch and National Review.

    From The Dispatch:

    “Careful observers will have noticed something peculiar in this chain of events: McCarthy is moving to push Cheney out of her leadership position for saying in May what he’d said repeatedly himself months before. McCarthy knows that Trump is lying about the election. He knows that Cheney is telling the truth. And he’s choosing Trump anyway.

    “A politician with a modicum of moral sensibility might be embarrassed by the embrace of such an obvious falsehood. Kevin McCarthy is not such a politician. Two weeks after declaring on the House floor that Donald Trump “bears responsibility for Wednesday’s attack on Congress by mob rioters,” McCarthy traveled to Mar-a-Lago to enlist Trump’s help in achieving his career-long objective of becoming speaker of the House.”

    https://thedispatch.com/p/kevin-mccarthys-gop-is-tired-of-hearing

    From National Review:

    “Of course, at the end of the day, the problem isn’t that Cheney is making controversial statements; the problem is that Republicans consider her obviously true statements to be controversial.

    “If there was any doubt, this was made all the more clear when Trump endorsed Representative Elise Stefanik to succeed Cheney. While Cheney voted 92.9 percent of the time with Trump’s position on actual issues, according to FiveThirtyEight, Stefanik only did so 77.7 percent of the time. As for hawkishness, Stefanik disagreed with Trump’s proposed withdrawal from Syria. And when Trump wanted to withdraw from Afghanistan, Stefanik proudly co-sponsored the Ensuring a Secure Afghanistan Act, declaring that, “The consequences of President Obama’s premature withdrawal from Iraq were far too significant for us to risk making the same mistake in Afghanistan.” The lead sponsor of that bill was none other than Liz Cheney.

    “But unlike Cheney, Stefanik stood with Trump by peddling his mendacious claims and voting against certification of President Biden’s Electoral College victory.

    “It’s a sad commentary on the state of the House GOP that this has now become a condition of advancement.”

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/05/liz-cheney-is-not-the-problem/

    See previous response.

    So you equate The Bulwark with The Dispatch with National Review?  Hummmmm.  The Bulwark is Anti-Trump, The Dispatch is Trump Skeptic and National Review generally supported Trump, except after the Trump Big Lie and the Trump 1/6 Capitol Riot.  Three distinct and different points of view.  

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    Well, I certainly rely on The Bulwark for all of MY news and analysis!

    And The Dispatch and National Review.

    From The Dispatch:

    “Careful observers will have noticed something peculiar in this chain of events: McCarthy is moving to push Cheney out of her leadership position for saying in May what he’d said repeatedly himself months before. McCarthy knows that Trump is lying about the election. He knows that Cheney is telling the truth. And he’s choosing Trump anyway.

    “A politician with a modicum of moral sensibility might be embarrassed by the embrace of such an obvious falsehood. Kevin McCarthy is not such a politician. Two weeks after declaring on the House floor that Donald Trump “bears responsibility for Wednesday’s attack on Congress by mob rioters,” McCarthy traveled to Mar-a-Lago to enlist Trump’s help in achieving his career-long objective of becoming speaker of the House.”

    https://thedispatch.com/p/kevin-mccarthys-gop-is-tired-of-hearing

    From National Review:

    “Of course, at the end of the day, the problem isn’t that Cheney is making controversial statements; the problem is that Republicans consider her obviously true statements to be controversial.

    “If there was any doubt, this was made all the more clear when Trump endorsed Representative Elise Stefanik to succeed Cheney. While Cheney voted 92.9 percent of the time with Trump’s position on actual issues, according to FiveThirtyEight, Stefanik only did so 77.7 percent of the time. As for hawkishness, Stefanik disagreed with Trump’s proposed withdrawal from Syria. And when Trump wanted to withdraw from Afghanistan, Stefanik proudly co-sponsored the Ensuring a Secure Afghanistan Act, declaring that, “The consequences of President Obama’s premature withdrawal from Iraq were far too significant for us to risk making the same mistake in Afghanistan.” The lead sponsor of that bill was none other than Liz Cheney.

    “But unlike Cheney, Stefanik stood with Trump by peddling his mendacious claims and voting against certification of President Biden’s Electoral College victory.

    “It’s a sad commentary on the state of the House GOP that this has now become a condition of advancement.”

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/05/liz-cheney-is-not-the-problem/

    See previous response.

    So you equate The Bulwark with The Dispatch with National Review? Hummmmm. The Bulwark is Anti-Trump, The Dispatch is Trump Skeptic and National Review generally supported Trump, except after the Trump Big Lie and the Trump 1/6 Capitol Riot. Three distinct and different points of view.

    More distinct to you than to some.

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    kedavis (View Comment):

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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Well, I certainly rely on The Bulwark for all of MY news and analysis!

    And The Dispatch and National Review.

    From The Dispatch:

    “Careful observers will have noticed something peculiar in this chain of events: McCarthy is moving to push Cheney out of her leadership position for saying in May what he’d said repeatedly himself months before. McCarthy knows that Trump is lying about the election. He knows that Cheney is telling the truth. And he’s choosing Trump anyway.

    “A politician with a modicum of moral sensibility might be embarrassed by the embrace of such an obvious falsehood. Kevin McCarthy is not such a politician. Two weeks after declaring on the House floor that Donald Trump “bears responsibility for Wednesday’s attack on Congress by mob rioters,” McCarthy traveled to Mar-a-Lago to enlist Trump’s help in achieving his career-long objective of becoming speaker of the House.”

    https://thedispatch.com/p/kevin-mccarthys-gop-is-tired-of-hearing

    From National Review:

    “Of course, at the end of the day, the problem isn’t that Cheney is making controversial statements; the problem is that Republicans consider her obviously true statements to be controversial.

    “If there was any doubt, this was made all the more clear when Trump endorsed Representative Elise Stefanik to succeed Cheney. While Cheney voted 92.9 percent of the time with Trump’s position on actual issues, according to FiveThirtyEight, Stefanik only did so 77.7 percent of the time. As for hawkishness, Stefanik disagreed with Trump’s proposed withdrawal from Syria. And when Trump wanted to withdraw from Afghanistan, Stefanik proudly co-sponsored the Ensuring a Secure Afghanistan Act, declaring that, “The consequences of President Obama’s premature withdrawal from Iraq were far too significant for us to risk making the same mistake in Afghanistan.” The lead sponsor of that bill was none other than Liz Cheney.

    “But unlike Cheney, Stefanik stood with Trump by peddling his mendacious claims and voting against certification of President Biden’s Electoral College victory.

    “It’s a sad commentary on the state of the House GOP that this has now become a condition of advancement.”

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/05/liz-cheney-is-not-the-problem/

    See previous response.

    So you equate The Bulwark with The Dispatch with National Review? Hummmmm. The Bulwark is Anti-Trump, The Dispatch is Trump Skeptic and National Review generally supported Trump, except after the Trump Big Lie and the Trump 1/6 Capitol Riot. Three distinct and different points of view.

    More distinct to you than to some.

    I encourage folks to sample their websites and their podcasts to see which correspond the most for them.  They are all separate and distinct from each other.

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