‘2000 Mules’: Election Drop Boxes, ‘Geofencing,’ and ‘The Big Lie’

 

“We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics.” Joe Biden

Those were the exact words from a grainy clip of then-presidential candidate Joe Biden that opens a new movie by conservative author, pundit, and filmmaker Dinesh D’Souza, ‘“2000 Mules.” It was seen as just another gaffe by a candidate with a long history of malapropisms.

Salem Media Group and True the Vote (TTV) produced the movie. D’Souza relies on research from TTV’s President, Catherine Englebrecht, and TTV board member Gregg Phillips, a former state health official in Texas and Mississippi. Phillips also is a data analyst and the founder of several technology-related firms. He claims in the movie to have been “in and around” election integrity and analysis for 40 years.

Phillips is no stranger to controversy. He was the source of claims made by President Trump in 2017, never confirmed, that 3 million illegal votes were cast in the 2016 election. Mainstream media has worked overtime to discredit him and TTV, including a major investor’s claim that he was duped and other unsubstantiated claims. Yet, Phillips and TTV persist.

D’Souza, who launched a podcast in 2021 on the Salem platform, sets the stage with clips from three Republicans – former Attorney General Bill Barr (“Fraud did not play a role in the outcome of the election”), US Sen. Mike Rounds (“the election was fair”), and of course, US Rep. Liz Cheney (R-WY). He touches on “J6” at the US Capitol, claiming it “wasn’t an insurrection. It was a primal scream. They wanted their elected leaders to adjudicate the claims of election fraud.”

“We can’t ‘move on’ until we know the truth,” D’Souza continues. “Is it a ‘big lie?’ It is a lie at all?”

D’Souza also relies on a panel of Salem radio talk show and podcast hosts, including Dennis Prager, Eric Metaxas, Larry Elder, Charlie Kirk, and former Trump administration official Dr. Sebastian Gorka. Most express reservations about election fraud claims in the first interviews.

By the end of the movie, they’re aghast. You may be, too. One of the retorts we often hear concerning claims of vote fraud is the phrase “without evidence.” Except that D’Souza, Englebrecht, and Phillips provide actual official footage of crimes committed by “mules” in the form of drop-box stuffing of ballots, often during the dark of night. Most states, including Pennsylvania – a particular focus of illegal election activity in the movie – prohibit voters from casting more than one ballot, their own, at drop boxes.

Drop boxes – many of them privately funded via $400 million from Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg through the left-wing Center for Tech and Civic Life – were a unique feature of the pandemic-scarred 2020 election. Most were placed in Democratic-leaning counties and jurisdictions.

Here’s a dropbox outside of Arlington County, Virginia offices in the 2021 state elections.

Interestingly, as The Federalist reported, “Facebook has banned Trump from its platform and has delisted individuals — many of them conservatives — for espousing views about the election that it insists are “misinformation.”

Credit D’Souza for asking all the right questions throughout the movie. Let’s take one of the first: if Biden was so successful, why did Democrats lose so many down-ballot races for US House and other races? After all, a newly-elected President usually has coattails and sees increases in his party’s hold on Congress.

House Republicans gained 14 seats in 2020. In fairness, much of that is a rebound from the 2018 election when the GOP lost 40 seats. But, still, it is an anomaly for a new President to lose seats.

Pennsylvania is a better example. Biden “won” the state with 3.46 million votes and a margin of about 80,000 with 6.915 million votes cast. On election night, Trump led by nearly 800,000 votes before mail votes were counted. There were three other statewide elections for Attorney General, Treasurer, and Auditor General. Democrats held all, and other than Auditor General, a popular Democratic incumbent was on the ballot.

While Attorney General and 2022 Democratic gubernatorial nominee presumptive Josh Shapiro narrowly won reelection, the total ballots cast for Attorney General were over 110,000 fewer than for President.

Republican challengers Stacey Garritty (Treasurer) and Tim DeFoer (Auditor-General) won the other two races for the first time in several years. The ballot drop-off in those elections was nearly 150,000.

There are two explanations. First, a drop-off in ballots cast for down-ballot races is not uncommon, although 109,000 seems high. Second, in Act 77, the Pennsylvania legislature eliminated a ballot box for straight-party voting in 2020. If you are committing fraud by producing as many ballots as possible and only have time to mark one box, it will be for the top of the ballot – the presidency. Thus, the drop-off.

Phillips explained how TTV’s research worked. They obtained some 10 trillion cell phone “signals” using a petabyte of data. They narrowed their research to focus on “signals” that visited ten or more election drop boxes and five or more visits to “nonprofit” organizations that have collected ballots, starting in Georgia. They expanded their research to include Michigan, Wisconsin, Arizona, and Pennsylvania.

Remember, most state laws, including Pennsylvania, restrict the number of ballots (one) that any single voter can cast at a dropbox. Ballot harvesting – collecting and delivering ballots on behalf of voters – is illegal in most states. While most states have provisions to allow others to deliver ballots on their behalf, it is highly restricted.

A “mule” is a person who picks up ballots from an organization – “stash houses” – and delivers them to a series of drop boxes. According to Engelbrecht’s sources, mules are typically paid about $10 per ballot. They often take selfies of them depositing ballots to ensure payment. “In the Georgia (US Senate runoff, January 5, 2021), that payment was higher.”

Dozens of mules who participated in violent Antifa-BLM riots in Atlanta were also mules in the 2020 election, reports Phillips. Over 240 mules were identified in Atlanta. Some mules, especially in Michigan, visited about 100 dropboxes.

BLM rioters also were utilized as mules to drop ballots at multiple dropbox locations in Atlanta.

There were 1,100 mules identified in Philadelphia – many of driving back and forth across bridges from New Jersey – visiting as many as 50 drop boxes each. And TTV has 4 million minutes of surveillance video from across the country to help prove their case, obtained through open records requests. Except Wisconsin has no video, even though it was required under state law. Other jurisdictions, such as Arizona, turned off some footage. But where they do, TTV has the geospatial data to support the video.

Here is an Atlanta “mule” depositing – and dropping – ballots he’s stuffing into a dropbox during the night.

At one Gwinnett County, Georgia, 271 voters were videotaped dropping ballots at a drop box. Over 1,962 ballots were deposited, according to official “chain of custody” documents.

“This is organized crime,” Phillips asserts. With evidence. It appears even to violate federal racketeering laws (RICO).

And this is only from the first half of the movie. Watch the rest. You can access it here.

What will be done about this, given that Republican candidates are punished for making election fraud a top issue? Worse, can we expect the Biden Administration’s Justice Department to do anything?

The good news is that some jurisdictions are taking action, including either eliminating dropboxes or increasing surveillance. Some eighteen state laws have been changed to prevent “Zuckbucks” from privately subsidizing official elections, including Georgia. As for geofencing, a tool used chiefly by advertisers and law enforcement agencies, it is proving to be a valuable tool in elections. Including exposing fraudulent activity.

D’Souza then asks the $64,000 question – was the scope of election fraud big enough to tip the balance in the 2020 election. He says yes, especially in Georgia, Arizona, and Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. The combined electoral votes from those three states were enough to put Biden over the top.

D’Souza leaves many questions unanswered. He does not disclose the names of “nonprofits” who acted as “stash houses” for mules to pick up and deposit multiple ballots. Where and how did these stash houses collect ballots? Where did the money come from to subsidize this effort? Will TTV provide this data to law enforcement authorities? Nowhere in America is it legal for nonprofit organizations to collect ballots and pay mules to deliver them, D’Souza asserts. Some 2000 mules visited 38 dropboxes each to deposit nearly 400,000 illegally-cast votes.

Associated Press attempted to “fact check” the movie. AP claims falsely that the film is based on a flawed analysis of geofenced data. They claim it isn’t precise, but that is laughably false. Drive up to any gasoline retailer who uses geospatial data to spot your presence at their pumps to text you with special deals. It has happened to me. Further, Phillips cited an instance where their geospatial data helped identify an alleged killer in Atlanta at the precise location where the murder occurred. The alleged killer has been arrested.

Election fraud is hard to prove. It takes time, money, and much effort, much more than was available between the November 2020 election and swearing-in day just 10 weeks later. There are unanswered questions. But eventually, the truth comes out. Like it or not, D’Souza has upped the anty on election integrity for the 2022 election. Local and state officials had better be prepared to respond.

Joe Biden might have been correct. Democrats and their allies may have created the largest and most inclusive voter fraud organization in American political history. Will we ever know with certainty?

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  1. kedavis Coolidge
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    And I’ve wondered if, say, half the population is leftist and content with the Democrat results, and the other half just says to itself, Yeah this is a leftist state and so we can expect that a strong majority of the people (people on the west coast population centers) have spoken with their votes and this is what we are getting — and they’ve just come to expect that (1) voting is above board, (2) voting results in Democrats winning and controlling more and more of governmental functions, and (3) this represents the will of the voting public. Like the pr0verbial frog that gets boiled.

    Is there any evidence, has their been any voting integrity research, that indicates that voting in Washington State has been effectually honest?

    I’m not convinced there was anything wrong with the Dominion voting machines. Dominion was not afraid to file multiple law suits against people and organizations who claimed the machines were either defective or spitting out tainted results. Hence, they are not afraid of subjecting their machines to court scrutiny and being subjected to hostile depositions by opposing lawyers. One of the most vocal proponents of the voting machine fraud allegations was lawyer Sidney Powell, who upon being served notice of a law suit said in public:

    “Analyzed under these factors, and even assuming, arguendo, that each of the statements alleged in the complaint could be proved true or false, no reasonable person would conclude that the statements were truly statements of fact.”

    She completely disavowed herself of her own statements! That’s a dodge worthy of the most far leftists and she was supposed to be advising the Trump team.

    And to think that half the population doesn’t care if voting machines have been accurate all along is stretching things. We had huge fights over voting machines during the 2004 re-election of George Bush. I even talked about it with the head of Diebold Inc., who manufactured the voting machines in question. The guy wasn’t the least bit fazed by allegations of fraud, though later analysis showed the machines were indeed flawed.

    The only credible theory that I have seen about widespread voter fraud large enough to turn the 2020 election involves the abuse of mail-in ballots as being proposed by 2,000 Mules.

    I heard some claims that could have been proved one way or another if the code was available for inspection. Other claims about “weighting” that was supposedly documented in the equivalent of a user’s manual were made. When no actual documentation or screen shots of the user’s manual showed up, I decided that Sydney Powell was an attention-seeking liar.

    How could anyone prove that any code inspected is what was actually being used for the 2020 election?

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    Is there any evidence, has their been any voting integrity research, that indicates that voting in Washington State has been effectually honest?

    I’m not convinced there was anything wrong with the Dominion voting machines. Dominion was not afraid to file multiple law suits against people and organizations who claimed the machines were either defective or spitting out tainted results. Hence, they are not afraid of subjecting their machines to court scrutiny and being subjected to hostile depositions by opposing lawyers. One of the most vocal proponents of the voting machine fraud allegations was lawyer Sidney Powell, who upon being served notice of a law suit said in public:

    “Analyzed under these factors, and even assuming, arguendo, that each of the statements alleged in the complaint could be proved true or false, no reasonable person would conclude that the statements were truly statements of fact.”

    She completely disavowed herself of her own statements! That’s a dodge worthy of the most far leftists and she was supposed to be advising the Trump team.

    And to think that half the population doesn’t care if voting machines have been accurate all along is stretching things. We had huge fights over voting machines during the 2004 re-election of George Bush. I even talked about it with the head of Diebold Inc., who manufactured the voting machines in question. The guy wasn’t the least bit fazed by allegations of fraud, though later analysis showed the machines were indeed flawed.

    The only credible theory that I have seen about widespread voter fraud large enough to turn the 2020 election involves the abuse of mail-in ballots as being proposed by 2,000 Mules.

    I heard some claims that could have been proved one way or another if the code was available for inspection. Other claims about “weighting” that was supposedly documented in the equivalent of a user’s manual were made. When no actual documentation or screen shots of the user’s manual showed up, I decided that Sydney Powell was an attention-seeking liar.

    How could anyone prove that any code inspected is what was actually being used for the 2020 election?

    One could try a “de-compiler”. One could compile the delivered source code and do a byte-by-byte comparison with the existing machine. I’m certain a true expert could verify it. 

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  3. kedavis Coolidge
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    Is there any evidence, has their been any voting integrity research, that indicates that voting in Washington State has been effectually honest?

    I’m not convinced there was anything wrong with the Dominion voting machines. Dominion was not afraid to file multiple law suits against people and organizations who claimed the machines were either defective or spitting out tainted results. Hence, they are not afraid of subjecting their machines to court scrutiny and being subjected to hostile depositions by opposing lawyers. One of the most vocal proponents of the voting machine fraud allegations was lawyer Sidney Powell, who upon being served notice of a law suit said in public:

    “Analyzed under these factors, and even assuming, arguendo, that each of the statements alleged in the complaint could be proved true or false, no reasonable person would conclude that the statements were truly statements of fact.”

    She completely disavowed herself of her own statements! That’s a dodge worthy of the most far leftists and she was supposed to be advising the Trump team.

    And to think that half the population doesn’t care if voting machines have been accurate all along is stretching things. We had huge fights over voting machines during the 2004 re-election of George Bush. I even talked about it with the head of Diebold Inc., who manufactured the voting machines in question. The guy wasn’t the least bit fazed by allegations of fraud, though later analysis showed the machines were indeed flawed.

    The only credible theory that I have seen about widespread voter fraud large enough to turn the 2020 election involves the abuse of mail-in ballots as being proposed by 2,000 Mules.

    I heard some claims that could have been proved one way or another if the code was available for inspection. Other claims about “weighting” that was supposedly documented in the equivalent of a user’s manual were made. When no actual documentation or screen shots of the user’s manual showed up, I decided that Sydney Powell was an attention-seeking liar.

    How could anyone prove that any code inspected is what was actually being used for the 2020 election?

    One could try a “de-compiler”. One could compile the delivered source code and do a byte-by-byte comparison with the existing machine. I’m certain a true expert could verify it.

    But how do you prove that the code in a machine now is the code that was running on election day?  They had modems remember, at least some of them… and there were flash drives passing back and forth all over…

    Also even if the individual voting machines were fine, the aggregation etc could still be manipulated.  I seem to remember stories about how district totals didn’t match machine totals, etc.  And the district totals are what get passed along as “official results.”

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  4. Django Member
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    Is there any evidence, has their been any voting integrity research, that indicates that voting in Washington State has been effectually honest?

     

    “Analyzed under these factors, and even assuming, arguendo, that each of the statements alleged in the complaint could be proved true or false, no reasonable person would conclude that the statements were truly statements of fact.”

    She completely disavowed herself of her own statements! That’s a dodge worthy of the most far leftists and she was supposed to be advising the Trump team.

    And to think that half the population doesn’t care if voting machines have been accurate all along is stretching things. We had huge fights over voting machines during the 2004 re-election of George Bush. I even talked about it with the head of Diebold Inc., who manufactured the voting machines in question. The guy wasn’t the least bit fazed by allegations of fraud, though later analysis showed the machines were indeed flawed.

    The only credible theory that I have seen about widespread voter fraud large enough to turn the 2020 election involves the abuse of mail-in ballots as being proposed by 2,000 Mules.

    I heard some claims that could have been proved one way or another if the code was available for inspection. Other claims about “weighting” that was supposedly documented in the equivalent of a user’s manual were made. When no actual documentation or screen shots of the user’s manual showed up, I decided that Sydney Powell was an attention-seeking liar.

    How could anyone prove that any code inspected is what was actually being used for the 2020 election?

    One could try a “de-compiler”. One could compile the delivered source code and do a byte-by-byte comparison with the existing machine. I’m certain a true expert could verify it.

    But how do you prove that the code in a machine now is the code that was running on election day? They had modems remember, at least some of them… and there were flash drives passing back and forth all over…

    Also even if the individual voting machines were fine, the aggregation etc could still be manipulated. I seem to remember stories about how district totals didn’t match machine totals, etc. And the district totals are what get passed along as “official results.”

    Since I don’t even know what operating system the machines were running, I can’t comment. 

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  5. Steven Seward Member
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    I’m not convinced there was anything wrong with the Dominion voting machines. Dominion was not afraid to file multiple law suits against people and organizations who claimed the machines were either defective or spitting out tainted results. Hence, they are not afraid of subjecting their machines to court scrutiny and being subjected to hostile depositions by opposing lawyers. One of the most vocal proponents of the voting machine fraud allegations was lawyer Sidney Powell, who upon being served notice of a law suit said in public:

    “Analyzed under these factors, and even assuming, arguendo, that each of the statements alleged in the complaint could be proved true or false, no reasonable person would conclude that the statements were truly statements of fact.”

    She completely disavowed herself of her own statements! That’s a dodge worthy of the most far leftists and she was supposed to be advising the Trump team.

    And to think that half the population doesn’t care if voting machines have been accurate all along is stretching things. We had huge fights over voting machines during the 2004 re-election of George Bush. I even talked about it with the head of Diebold Inc., who manufactured the voting machines in question. The guy wasn’t the least bit fazed by allegations of fraud, though later analysis showed the machines were indeed flawed.

    The only credible theory that I have seen about widespread voter fraud large enough to turn the 2020 election involves the abuse of mail-in ballots as being proposed by 2,000 Mules.

    It would be impossible to audit the Dominion machines AS THEY WERE for the 2020 election. And Dominion probably knows it.

    The Diebold machines were audited some two years later and shown to be defective.

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  6. Saint Augustine Member
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    One thing is clear about the voting machines: They’re not secure, and that’s not ok.

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  7. Vince Guerra Inactive
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    I’m not convinced there was anything wrong with the Dominion voting machines.  Dominion was not afraid to file multiple law suits against people and organizations who claimed the machines were either defective or spitting out tainted results.  Hence, they are not afraid of subjecting their machines to court scrutiny and being subjected to hostile depositions by opposing lawyers.  One of the most vocal proponents of the voting machine fraud allegations was lawyer Sidney Powell, who upon being served notice of a law suit said in public:

    “Analyzed under these factors, and even assuming, arguendo, that each of the statements alleged in the complaint could be proved true or false, no reasonable person would conclude that the statements were truly statements of fact.”

    She completely disavowed herself of her own statements!  That’s a dodge worthy of the most far leftists and she was supposed to be advising the Trump team.

    There is so much wrong with this comment. Dominion is on video record demonstrating how their system can manipulate ballots, they’ve lied under oath about internet connectivity and have lost or had thrown out all of their erroneous defamation suits that I’m aware of. They bully and hope their victims won’t call their bluff. See Joe Oltman’s many many stories about Dominion’s lawfare tactics.

    Sydney Powell was never a part of Trumps team and the often quoted statement you repeated is out of context. She’s addressed it many times. She was also right about the machines as evidence upon evidence upon evidence has played out. See my earlier comment #44 about how the machines and the mules work in tandem.

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  8. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Vince Guerra (View Comment):
    Dominion is on video record demonstrating how their system can manipulate ballots,

    Yeah, as someone else noted about VTK’s scale of no-fraud to fraud, what’s missing is the sketchy counting, not just the ballots themselves. As someone (in)famous once said, it’s not so much who votes as who counts the votes. The fact that poll watchers were dismissed and the counting done in secrecy in so many of the crucial swing-state districts doesn’t pass the smell test. Any neutral observer would flag it. 

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  9. DonG (CAGW is a Hoax) Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Why all the rules, trying to disenfranchise minorites etc? Let a million – no, a BILLION! – ballots flow!

    It is SUPPRESSION to mail out ballots that require manually filling out.   We know certain people are unable to fill in circles, therefore we *must* send out pre-filled ballots!!

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  10. Dbroussa Coolidge
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    You have to include a photocopy of your ID that was used to register. All of that is validated before the ballot is opened.

    I’ve been mailing my vote from Asia since 2012, and they’ve never told me to do that.

    This law was passed in 2021 after the 2020 election and went into effect for the 2022 election cycle.  It was widely reported that in the March primary Texas rejected 12.4% of the total votes by mail in large part because they failed to provide the form of ID they used with their application and include it with the ballot.

    According to NPR, Harris County returned 38% of its ballots for not meeting the criteria to be counted.  Of course they also had 17.6% of their total votes cast by mail, which is WAY too high, but unsurprising for the level of effort that the Dems would have put into play to get mail voting in a city center.

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  11. Dbroussa Coolidge
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    Cassandro (View Comment):

    You know, since the accusations about the origins, sponsors and uses of Dominion voting machines, I’ve wondered if they (and every form of voting subversion) hasn’t been going on for decades in US elections, particularly in States that are ostensibly heavily Democrat controlled. And now I read about the craziness in Washington State, and that it’s had mail-in voting for decades and has always worked and been considered “safe and secure”.

    Is there any evidence, has their been any voting integrity research, that indicates that voting in Washington State has been effectually honest?

    Electronic voting machines are actually fairly simple.  There is even open source versions of such software that is available.  You can divide an electronic voting machine into two separate types of software.  The first, and more complex, is the ballot marking software (the touch screen).  This is the part that is the “black box” that you can audit without seeing the internal code.  That is time consuming and manual, but is (or should be) a part of every election preparation.  It is in my county.  To do that, you run an election and test the software by marking various choices and ensuring that the output matches.  The second part is the tabulation portion, which stores the votes cast in memory.  This also can be tested via a black box methodology, but auditing of the source code should happen here as it is extremely simple code and should not be proprietary.  The issues come from allowing these systems to be connected to any type of network outside of the election clerk’s setup.  When that happens, the systems become inherently insecure.  This is allowed because it permits updates to be sent to the systems easily as opposed to by hand via thumb drive or direct network connection (via a disconnected network).  Unfortunately, this also means that the systems can be hacked.  Even using a secure VPN and firewalls doesn’t prevent hacking, it just makes it harder.  Honestly, even physical only updates don’t prevent hacking, they just make it harder.  The nice thing about physical updates is that we can audit who has access to the machines and thus limit the potential for mischief.

    As for Washington State, even putting aside the inability to know if the voter actually marked their ballot, most of their processing is done by automated systems.  Here is an absolutely hilarious article on how safe and secure the Washington system is.  Here is another one that talks about how Yakima County tallies the votes.  There are a number of issues with both articles that fail to point out the issues with the system, especially since there is same day registration allowed in Washington.  In short, a computer scans the ballot and compares the signature to the one on file.  If it doesn’t match, then a human will review it.  What could go wrong?

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  12. Dbroussa Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):
    It would be impossible to audit the Dominion machines AS THEY WERE for the 2020 election.  And Dominion probably knows it.

    Heck, for those connected to the internet, it would be impossible to audit them during the election as they were allegedly being updated on election day.

    You cannot have a secure election when your machines are connected to a network.

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  13. Dbroussa Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):
    But how do you prove that the code in a machine now is the code that was running on election day?  They had modems remember, at least some of them… and there were flash drives passing back and forth all over…

    There is ZERO reason that any voting machine should be updated on election day.  In my county in Texas (and should be everywhere in Texas), the machines are sealed at the election clerk’s office and part of my job as a Judge is to visually check those seals at opening and closing to verify that there were not touched.  The same process is followed when they setup the machines and recover them for the canvas after the election.  At no time is the code altered, and, in fact, doing so means that the paper ballots that we might have as backups would be invalid as well.  If there was any change to the code in a machine on election day, it means there was a major screw up in the election clerk’s office and they likely should be fired.  It would mean that they didn’t properly setup and test the machines prior to the election.  

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  14. Dbroussa Coolidge
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    Django (View Comment):
    Since I don’t even know what operating system the machines were running, I can’t comment. 

    Depending on the machine it would vary, but the ones that I have seen are running some embedded OS, likely a Unix variant if not 100% proprietary as I have never seen any Windows artifacts on the voting machines.  Our check in laptops run Windows as do the check-in tablets that the voter signs on.

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  15. Steven Seward Member
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    I’m not convinced there was anything wrong with the Dominion voting machines. Dominion was not afraid to file multiple law suits against people and organizations who claimed the machines were either defective or spitting out tainted results. Hence, they are not afraid of subjecting their machines to court scrutiny and being subjected to hostile depositions by opposing lawyers. One of the most vocal proponents of the voting machine fraud allegations was lawyer Sidney Powell, who upon being served notice of a law suit said in public:

    “Analyzed under these factors, and even assuming, arguendo, that each of the statements alleged in the complaint could be proved true or false, no reasonable person would conclude that the statements were truly statements of fact.”

    She completely disavowed herself of her own statements! That’s a dodge worthy of the most far leftists and she was supposed to be advising the Trump team.

    There is so much wrong with this comment. Dominion is on video record demonstrating how their system can manipulate ballots, they’ve lied under oath about internet connectivity and have lost or had thrown out all of their erroneous defamation suits that I’m aware of. They bully and hope their victims won’t call their bluff. See Joe Oltman’s many many stories about Dominion’s lawfare tactics.

    If this is true then it will all come out in court.  Dominion doesn’t seem to be concerned about this, in fact they are encouraging it.

    Sydney Powell was never a part of Trumps team and the often quoted statement you repeated is out of context. She’s addressed it many times. She was also right about the machines as evidence upon evidence upon evidence has played out. See my earlier comment #44 about how the machines and the mules work in tandem.

    Sidney Powell was originally advising the Trump legal team until they disavowed her.  Trump himself even Tweeted on November 14th or 15th  2020 (I’ve seen conflicting dates) that she was “part of his great team.”  The actual tweet cannot be sourced from Twitter because his account is suspended.  Anyways, it doesn’t really matter whose team she was on.  If you say she was right about the voting machines and there is plenty of evidence for it, they why did she laughably change her story when forced to provide such evidence?

     

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  16. DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic Oaf Member
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    Steven Seward (View Comment):
    If this is true then it will all come out in court. 

    In order for it to come out in court, first it has to get to court.

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  17. Steven Seward Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic … (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):
    If this is true then it will all come out in court.

    In order for it to come out in court, first it has to get to court.

    Is there something preventing that?

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  18. Stina Member
    Stina
    @CM

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic … (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):
    If this is true then it will all come out in court.

    In order for it to come out in court, first it has to get to court.

    Is there something preventing that?

    Judges? Latches? Nothing can change so why bother?

    Most of us “Trump Won” guys were happy dominion was pursuing defamation because then this stuff would have a chance to be aired in court. Is it true they dropped their suits? Convenient. Plant in people’s heads that they were defamed but don’t follow through to show they really were and risk exposure.

    Exactly how justice is served in the Wonderful United States of America that Really Isn’t Corrupt.

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  19. Stina Member
    Stina
    @CM

    All of this is propaganda. It’s a show to put a narrative in the minds of the population propagated by a complicit media. It’s all about pushing some facts, not the entire story.

    And the population falls for it! If certain media outlets don’t report on it, then it never happens. Only people with the time, ability, and skill to navigate primary sources are able to get personal affirmation, but they don’t have the credentials to be taken seriously by the population.

    This is how we live in two different Americas. One side has control of the institutions and legacy media (that have repeatedly lied and left out crucial information) and the other has dissenting voices (many with their own credentials) being labeled as conspiracy theorists and crack pots and their own kind of propaganda.

    Its exhausting and more people need to wake up to this, especially on the right. This is an information war. Act like it.

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  20. Steven Seward Member
    Steven Seward
    @StevenSeward

    Stina (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic … (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):
    If this is true then it will all come out in court.

    In order for it to come out in court, first it has to get to court.

    Is there something preventing that?

    Judges? Latches? Nothing can change so why bother?

    Most of us “Trump Won” guys were happy dominion was pursuing defamation because then this stuff would have a chance to be aired in court. Is it true they dropped their suits? Convenient. Plant in people’s heads that they were defamed but don’t follow through to show they really were and risk exposure.

    Exactly how justice is served in the Wonderful United States of America that Really Isn’t Corrupt.

    Where has a single judge prevented any of the law suits going forward from Dominian?  [Edit] Or the counter-suits?

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  21. Stina Member
    Stina
    @CM

    Where has a single judge prevented any of the law suits going forward from Dominian?  [Edit] Or the counter-suits?

    The suits from Trump and voters were shot down by courts without hearing evidence in the vast majority of cases.

    Dominion may have dropped their OWN suits. Though I could see a court refusing to hear the case because it doesn’t meet the standard for defamation. None of that matters if you still bring up Sidney Powell being sued for defamation as a counter to dominion machines being rigged.

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  22. Steven Seward Member
    Steven Seward
    @StevenSeward

    Stina (View Comment):

    Where has a single judge prevented any of the law suits going forward from Dominian? [Edit] Or the counter-suits?

    The suits from Trump and voters were shot down by courts without hearing evidence in the vast majority of cases.

    That may be true, but that has little to do with Dominion’s civil law suits.

    Dominion may have dropped their OWN suits.

    Are you stating that as a fact?  Or are you just saying that is possible?  I haven’t heard of them dropping it.

    Though I could see a court refusing to hear the case because it doesn’t meet the standard for defamation.

    I could see that too, but none of that has happened so far.  Rudy Guliani, Mike Lindell, and Sidney Powell have all filed for  dismissal on those grounds but all three have been rejected by judges.

    None of that matters if you still bring up Sidney Powell being sued for defamation as a counter to dominion machines being rigged.

    What is wrong with bringing up Sidney Powell.  Didn’t she claim that the Dominion machines were rigged?

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  23. Stina Member
    Stina
    @CM

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    Where has a single judge prevented any of the law suits going forward from Dominian? [Edit] Or the counter-suits?

    The suits from Trump and voters were shot down by courts without hearing evidence in the vast majority of cases.

    That may be true, but that has little to do with Dominion’s civil law suits.

    Dominion may have dropped their OWN suits.

    Are you stating that as a fact? Or are you just saying that is possible? I haven’t heard of them dropping it.

    Though I could see a court refusing to hear the case because it doesn’t meet the standard for defamation.

    I could see that too, but none of that has happened so far. Rudy Guliani, Mike Lindell, and Sidney Powell have all filed for dismissal on those grounds but all three have been rejected by judges.

    None of that matters if you still bring up Sidney Powell being sued for defamation as a counter to dominion machines being rigged.

    What is wrong with bringing up Sidney Powell. Didn’t she claim that the Dominion machines were rigged?

    Read what I said. I used words showing I don’t know if it’s true. I didn’t make the claim and I don’t know how to verify it. CTLaw is the only one I know who knows how to navigate the court dockets.

    “Is there something preventing that?”

    the answer is YES. We can’t touch dominion. The courts won’t let us. We were hoping the defamation cases would show something.

    We don’t want the defamation suits dropped. We want to see the evidence.

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  24. Steven Seward Member
    Steven Seward
    @StevenSeward

    Stina (View Comment):

     

    “Is there something preventing that?”

    the answer is YES. We can’t touch dominion. The courts won’t let us.

    That’s not true.  The courts have allowed law suits by Sidney Powell and Mike Lindell against Dominion to go through so far.  Lindell filed two law suits.

    We were hoping the defamation cases would show something.

    We don’t want the defamation suits dropped. We want to see the evidence.

    I want to see the evidence as well.

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  25. Vince Guerra Inactive
    Vince Guerra
    @VinceGuerra

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    I want to see the evidence as well.

    If that were true you wouldn’t be harping about Sidney Powell and Mike Lindell, you’d be up to date on the issues regarding the Arizona audit, the Wisconsin crime investigations, the Pennsylvania lawyers who’ve provided video footage of election officials destroying materials, and the ongoing NM audit that excoriated Dominion on Monday. You also would have seen 2000 Mules by now and would have watched any number of hearings and presentations that have demonstrated widespread fraud for two years. Go to my posts page and read away if you’re serious.

    Or go here.

    Or here.

    Or here.

    Or here.

    Or here.

    But don’t tell me you want to see evidence unless you get in the game.

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  26. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    DonG (CAGW is a Hoax) (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Why all the rules, trying to disenfranchise minorites etc? Let a million – no, a BILLION! – ballots flow!

    It is SUPPRESSION to mail out ballots that require manually filling out. We know certain people are unable to fill in circles, therefore we *must* send out pre-filled ballots!!

    Why even mail them out?  There’s no need.  Just mail them directly to where the pre-filled ballots get counted!

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  27. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Dbroussa (View Comment):

    Cassandro (View Comment):

    Is there any evidence, has their been any voting integrity research, that indicates that voting in Washington State has been effectually honest?

    Electronic voting machines are actually fairly simple. There is even open source versions of such software that is available. You can divide an electronic voting machine into two separate types of software. The first, and more complex, is the ballot marking software (the touch screen). This is the part that is the “black box” that you can audit without seeing the internal code. That is time consuming and manual, but is (or should be) a part of every election preparation. It is in my county. To do that, you run an election and test the software by marking various choices and ensuring that the output matches. The second part is the tabulation portion, which stores the votes cast in memory. This also can be tested via a black box methodology, but auditing of the source code should happen here as it is extremely simple code and should not be proprietary. The issues come from allowing these systems to be connected to any type of network outside of the election clerk’s setup. When that happens, the systems become inherently insecure. This is allowed because it permits updates to be sent to the systems easily as opposed to by hand via thumb drive or direct network connection (via a disconnected network). Unfortunately, this also means that the systems can be hacked. Even using a secure VPN and firewalls doesn’t prevent hacking, it just makes it harder. Honestly, even physical only updates don’t prevent hacking, they just make it harder. The nice thing about physical updates is that we can audit who has access to the machines and thus limit the potential for mischief.

    As for Washington State, even putting aside the inability to know if the voter actually marked their ballot, most of their processing is done by automated systems. Here is an absolutely hilarious article on how safe and secure the Washington system is. Here is another one that talks about how Yakima County tallies the votes. There are a number of issues with both articles that fail to point out the issues with the system, especially since there is same day registration allowed in Washington. In short, a computer scans the ballot and compares the signature to the one on file. If it doesn’t match, then a human will review it. What could go wrong?

    Volkswagen made  cars that could work differently when being tested, and so can Dominion and others with voting machines.

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  28. Steven Seward Member
    Steven Seward
    @StevenSeward

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    I want to see the evidence as well.

    If that were true you wouldn’t be harping about Sidney Powell and Mike Lindell, you’d be up to date on the issues regarding the Arizona audit, the Wisconsin crime investigations, the Pennsylvania lawyers who’ve provided video footage of election officials destroying materials, and the ongoing NM audit that excoriated Dominion on Monday. You also would have seen 2000 Mules by now and would have watched any number of hearings and presentations that have demonstrated widespread fraud for two years. Go to my posts page and read away if you’re serious.

    Or go here.

    Or here.

    Or here.

    Or here.

    Or here.

    But don’t tell me you want to see evidence unless you get in the game.

    How is harping on Sidney Powell and Lindell’s claims against Dominion mean that I don’t want to see evidence?  I don’t believe those claims about Dominion voting machines but that hasn’t a thing to do with other forms of voter fraud.  Just because you believe one aspect doesn’t mean that you have to believe all of it.  Do you have any evidence that the Dominion machines were faulty?  None of those links you posted offered any evidence of it.  Only one link talked about how it could be possible to hack into voting machines and that is not evidence that it happened.

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  29. Dbroussa Coolidge
    Dbroussa
    @Dbroussa

    kedavis (View Comment):
    Volkswagen made  cars that could work differently when being tested, and so can Dominion and others with voting machines.

    Which is why, at least where I live, the tests are on the same machines that are used for elections.  Essentially before every election, the Clerk’s staff in Guadalupe county creates an election with test ballots, and then with the same ballots that will be used in the election and then runs them through the machines and looks at the results.  Then you look at those results and ensure that they match what you ran through the system via the Zero Tapes, and then the tabulation data set, and then the consolidated data set.  This is done for each election, and while I cannot verify that every machine is tested for each election, when I had asked about it, that was the implication that I got from the Clerk’s office.  Sure, it still could be manipulated, but its much more difficult to do so.  That is one reason why they run these as “real” elections each time so that they are not in any “test” mode.

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  30. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Dbroussa (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    Volkswagen made cars that could work differently when being tested, and so can Dominion and others with voting machines.

    Which is why, at least where I live, the tests are on the same machines that are used for elections. Essentially before every election, the Clerk’s staff in Guadalupe county creates an election with test ballots, and then with the same ballots that will be used in the election and then runs them through the machines and looks at the results. Then you look at those results and ensure that they match what you ran through the system via the Zero Tapes, and then the tabulation data set, and then the consolidated data set. This is done for each election, and while I cannot verify that every machine is tested for each election, when I had asked about it, that was the implication that I got from the Clerk’s office. Sure, it still could be manipulated, but its much more difficult to do so. That is one reason why they run these as “real” elections each time so that they are not in any “test” mode.

    The VW cars were not put into any kind of specific “test mode,” they detected that they were being tested because of what was being done, and altered their behavior.

    If the machines even have day/date calendars running, which most any OS will have, then they can tell it’s not “election day” and run the straight-up software.  But on “election day” they could behave differently.

    Similarly, if a machine would normally expect to get, say, 1000 or more votes on “election day,” then if they’re given only 100 ballots as a “test,” then they can behave properly.  And when given 1000 or more ballots, they do the shenanigans.

    And then, after “election day,” the software could be made to delete the shenanigans code, and all that’s left to be “audited” looks fine.

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