‘2000 Mules’: Election Drop Boxes, ‘Geofencing,’ and ‘The Big Lie’

 

“We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics.” Joe Biden

Those were the exact words from a grainy clip of then-presidential candidate Joe Biden that opens a new movie by conservative author, pundit, and filmmaker Dinesh D’Souza, ‘“2000 Mules.” It was seen as just another gaffe by a candidate with a long history of malapropisms.

Salem Media Group and True the Vote (TTV) produced the movie. D’Souza relies on research from TTV’s President, Catherine Englebrecht, and TTV board member Gregg Phillips, a former state health official in Texas and Mississippi. Phillips also is a data analyst and the founder of several technology-related firms. He claims in the movie to have been “in and around” election integrity and analysis for 40 years.

Phillips is no stranger to controversy. He was the source of claims made by President Trump in 2017, never confirmed, that 3 million illegal votes were cast in the 2016 election. Mainstream media has worked overtime to discredit him and TTV, including a major investor’s claim that he was duped and other unsubstantiated claims. Yet, Phillips and TTV persist.

D’Souza, who launched a podcast in 2021 on the Salem platform, sets the stage with clips from three Republicans – former Attorney General Bill Barr (“Fraud did not play a role in the outcome of the election”), US Sen. Mike Rounds (“the election was fair”), and of course, US Rep. Liz Cheney (R-WY). He touches on “J6” at the US Capitol, claiming it “wasn’t an insurrection. It was a primal scream. They wanted their elected leaders to adjudicate the claims of election fraud.”

“We can’t ‘move on’ until we know the truth,” D’Souza continues. “Is it a ‘big lie?’ It is a lie at all?”

D’Souza also relies on a panel of Salem radio talk show and podcast hosts, including Dennis Prager, Eric Metaxas, Larry Elder, Charlie Kirk, and former Trump administration official Dr. Sebastian Gorka. Most express reservations about election fraud claims in the first interviews.

By the end of the movie, they’re aghast. You may be, too. One of the retorts we often hear concerning claims of vote fraud is the phrase “without evidence.” Except that D’Souza, Englebrecht, and Phillips provide actual official footage of crimes committed by “mules” in the form of drop-box stuffing of ballots, often during the dark of night. Most states, including Pennsylvania – a particular focus of illegal election activity in the movie – prohibit voters from casting more than one ballot, their own, at drop boxes.

Drop boxes – many of them privately funded via $400 million from Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg through the left-wing Center for Tech and Civic Life – were a unique feature of the pandemic-scarred 2020 election. Most were placed in Democratic-leaning counties and jurisdictions.

Here’s a dropbox outside of Arlington County, Virginia offices in the 2021 state elections.

Interestingly, as The Federalist reported, “Facebook has banned Trump from its platform and has delisted individuals — many of them conservatives — for espousing views about the election that it insists are “misinformation.”

Credit D’Souza for asking all the right questions throughout the movie. Let’s take one of the first: if Biden was so successful, why did Democrats lose so many down-ballot races for US House and other races? After all, a newly-elected President usually has coattails and sees increases in his party’s hold on Congress.

House Republicans gained 14 seats in 2020. In fairness, much of that is a rebound from the 2018 election when the GOP lost 40 seats. But, still, it is an anomaly for a new President to lose seats.

Pennsylvania is a better example. Biden “won” the state with 3.46 million votes and a margin of about 80,000 with 6.915 million votes cast. On election night, Trump led by nearly 800,000 votes before mail votes were counted. There were three other statewide elections for Attorney General, Treasurer, and Auditor General. Democrats held all, and other than Auditor General, a popular Democratic incumbent was on the ballot.

While Attorney General and 2022 Democratic gubernatorial nominee presumptive Josh Shapiro narrowly won reelection, the total ballots cast for Attorney General were over 110,000 fewer than for President.

Republican challengers Stacey Garritty (Treasurer) and Tim DeFoer (Auditor-General) won the other two races for the first time in several years. The ballot drop-off in those elections was nearly 150,000.

There are two explanations. First, a drop-off in ballots cast for down-ballot races is not uncommon, although 109,000 seems high. Second, in Act 77, the Pennsylvania legislature eliminated a ballot box for straight-party voting in 2020. If you are committing fraud by producing as many ballots as possible and only have time to mark one box, it will be for the top of the ballot – the presidency. Thus, the drop-off.

Phillips explained how TTV’s research worked. They obtained some 10 trillion cell phone “signals” using a petabyte of data. They narrowed their research to focus on “signals” that visited ten or more election drop boxes and five or more visits to “nonprofit” organizations that have collected ballots, starting in Georgia. They expanded their research to include Michigan, Wisconsin, Arizona, and Pennsylvania.

Remember, most state laws, including Pennsylvania, restrict the number of ballots (one) that any single voter can cast at a dropbox. Ballot harvesting – collecting and delivering ballots on behalf of voters – is illegal in most states. While most states have provisions to allow others to deliver ballots on their behalf, it is highly restricted.

A “mule” is a person who picks up ballots from an organization – “stash houses” – and delivers them to a series of drop boxes. According to Engelbrecht’s sources, mules are typically paid about $10 per ballot. They often take selfies of them depositing ballots to ensure payment. “In the Georgia (US Senate runoff, January 5, 2021), that payment was higher.”

Dozens of mules who participated in violent Antifa-BLM riots in Atlanta were also mules in the 2020 election, reports Phillips. Over 240 mules were identified in Atlanta. Some mules, especially in Michigan, visited about 100 dropboxes.

BLM rioters also were utilized as mules to drop ballots at multiple dropbox locations in Atlanta.

There were 1,100 mules identified in Philadelphia – many of driving back and forth across bridges from New Jersey – visiting as many as 50 drop boxes each. And TTV has 4 million minutes of surveillance video from across the country to help prove their case, obtained through open records requests. Except Wisconsin has no video, even though it was required under state law. Other jurisdictions, such as Arizona, turned off some footage. But where they do, TTV has the geospatial data to support the video.

Here is an Atlanta “mule” depositing – and dropping – ballots he’s stuffing into a dropbox during the night.

At one Gwinnett County, Georgia, 271 voters were videotaped dropping ballots at a drop box. Over 1,962 ballots were deposited, according to official “chain of custody” documents.

“This is organized crime,” Phillips asserts. With evidence. It appears even to violate federal racketeering laws (RICO).

And this is only from the first half of the movie. Watch the rest. You can access it here.

What will be done about this, given that Republican candidates are punished for making election fraud a top issue? Worse, can we expect the Biden Administration’s Justice Department to do anything?

The good news is that some jurisdictions are taking action, including either eliminating dropboxes or increasing surveillance. Some eighteen state laws have been changed to prevent “Zuckbucks” from privately subsidizing official elections, including Georgia. As for geofencing, a tool used chiefly by advertisers and law enforcement agencies, it is proving to be a valuable tool in elections. Including exposing fraudulent activity.

D’Souza then asks the $64,000 question – was the scope of election fraud big enough to tip the balance in the 2020 election. He says yes, especially in Georgia, Arizona, and Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. The combined electoral votes from those three states were enough to put Biden over the top.

D’Souza leaves many questions unanswered. He does not disclose the names of “nonprofits” who acted as “stash houses” for mules to pick up and deposit multiple ballots. Where and how did these stash houses collect ballots? Where did the money come from to subsidize this effort? Will TTV provide this data to law enforcement authorities? Nowhere in America is it legal for nonprofit organizations to collect ballots and pay mules to deliver them, D’Souza asserts. Some 2000 mules visited 38 dropboxes each to deposit nearly 400,000 illegally-cast votes.

Associated Press attempted to “fact check” the movie. AP claims falsely that the film is based on a flawed analysis of geofenced data. They claim it isn’t precise, but that is laughably false. Drive up to any gasoline retailer who uses geospatial data to spot your presence at their pumps to text you with special deals. It has happened to me. Further, Phillips cited an instance where their geospatial data helped identify an alleged killer in Atlanta at the precise location where the murder occurred. The alleged killer has been arrested.

Election fraud is hard to prove. It takes time, money, and much effort, much more than was available between the November 2020 election and swearing-in day just 10 weeks later. There are unanswered questions. But eventually, the truth comes out. Like it or not, D’Souza has upped the anty on election integrity for the 2022 election. Local and state officials had better be prepared to respond.

Joe Biden might have been correct. Democrats and their allies may have created the largest and most inclusive voter fraud organization in American political history. Will we ever know with certainty?

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  1. Steven Seward Member
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    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):
    Your theories are so far out there that they negate discussing any data or results on elections at all.

    I don’t have theories on election data, I have conclusions and evidence based on years of investigations, evidence and investigations you’ve refused to examine. Have you even watched 2000 Mules yet, the evidence this post is about?

    I don’t need to watch it.  I already believe it.

    What state are you in? Maybe I can put you in touch with the people in your state who’ve been canvassing and auditing your voter roles. Maybe they can convince you that the single room apartments that they’ve found with 30 registered voters, the ones they knocked on the doors of, don’t exist, and that yours and HuffPo’s numbers and arguments are a fantasy.

    Ohio.

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  2. namlliT noD Member
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):
    You bet your sweet bippy it is. 

    Sock it to me!

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  3. Steven Seward Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Cassandro (View Comment):

    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    “We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics.”

    “I don’t need you to get me elected”

    “Who gets to count the vote, count the vote, count the vote!”

    Yup. Amazing, isn’t it?

    Count the vote, don’t take the vote over!

    Count the vote, you know you can’t lose!

     

    Blast from the past!  Compare that benign music video with the ones today where they have thugs and naked women.

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  4. Steven Seward Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

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    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    We’ve all heard the mantra that Biden won the most votes in history and Trump won the most Republican votes in history. These talking points are promoted by people who are either not fluent in statistics or mathematics, or if they are, they are just trying to bamboozle you. The most obvious retort is that we have more voters than at any other time in history. The population keeps growing. Besides, voter turnout has been steadily increasing over the last 20+ years. The only thing that is significant is the percentage of votes captured relative to the electorate.

    Between 2016 and 2020, the US population grew by about 2.8%, and the claimed US presidential votes between 2020 and 2016 grew by 21%.

    An order of magnitude difference.

    And Democrat registrations trended down all throughout that time.

    I wouldn’t be so sure of that. There are only 31 States that have registered party affiliation. I couldn’t find a comprehensive statistic that combines all their numbers of trends in party affiliation by registered voters, but I did manage to find this about four key battleground States, Arizona, Florida, North Carolina, and Pennsylvania. Not only was democrat voter registration increasing from 2016 – 2020, but it was outpacing the new republican voter registrations as well.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/514480-democrats-lead-republicans-in-new-voter-registrations-in-four-battleground/

    Okay, then the question becomes, how many of those registrations were fraudulent? (Often a fraudulent vote on election day wouldn’t be counted without a previous fraudulent registration.) When I lived in Arizona, at every election there were barely-if-at-all-covered stories of registration confirmations being returned as “no such address” etc, yet because the state had no official mechanism for following up, and no legal requirement to do so, they apparently felt free to claim there were no problems.

    Well, you’ve got yourself a topic for a new post!

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  5. Steven Seward Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Cassandro (View Comment):

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    So yes, Biden won the most number of votes for a presidential election ever, and Trump won the most number of Republican votes ever, but neither of them received the largest percentage of votes in our history or even close to it.

    No, he didn’t. Your entire analysis is based on the assumption that Bidens voters actually exist. They don’t. Canvassing and auditing of the voter roles has proven this. The fraudsters kept Biden in normal percentages based off of inflated votes from bloated inaccurate roles.

    In other words he got a greater percentage of voters who don’t exist.

    Yes, I was wondering where he got the raw numbers for voter registrations. Including when the rolls were most recently reconciled and purged, and who did the overall collating.

    This is the site. I forgot to credit them in my comment.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/273743/number-of-registered-voters-in-the-united-states/

    So many states have very dirty registration rolls, in a way all the numbers show is how many fraudulent votes could be cast if someone wanted to.

    But then again the States always get criticized when they clean up  their voter rolls.  The critics refer to it as “purging” as if it is something that Stalin would do.

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  6. kedavis Coolidge
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    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Cassandro (View Comment):

    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    “We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics.”

    “I don’t need you to get me elected”

    “Who gets to count the vote, count the vote, count the vote!”

    Yup. Amazing, isn’t it?

    Count the vote, don’t take the vote over!

    Count the vote, you know you can’t lose!

    Blast from the past! Compare that benign music video with the ones today where they have thugs and naked women.

    And yet they’re supposed to be so much more modern now, and against objectification of women…

    What was that Oscar-celebrated song not long ago?  “It’s Hard Out Here For A Pimp?”

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  7. kedavis Coolidge
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    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

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    So yes, Biden won the most number of votes for a presidential election ever, and Trump won the most number of Republican votes ever, but neither of them received the largest percentage of votes in our history or even close to it.

    No, he didn’t. Your entire analysis is based on the assumption that Bidens voters actually exist. They don’t. Canvassing and auditing of the voter roles has proven this. The fraudsters kept Biden in normal percentages based off of inflated votes from bloated inaccurate roles.

    In other words he got a greater percentage of voters who don’t exist.

    Yes, I was wondering where he got the raw numbers for voter registrations. Including when the rolls were most recently reconciled and purged, and who did the overall collating.

    This is the site. I forgot to credit them in my comment.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/273743/number-of-registered-voters-in-the-united-states/

    So many states have very dirty registration rolls, in a way all the numbers show is how many fraudulent votes could be cast if someone wanted to.

    But then again the States always get criticized when they clean up their voter rolls. The critics refer to it as “purging” as if it is something that Stalin would do.

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  8. namlliT noD Member
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    And the creepiest inauguration ever.  That’s not the result of 81 million legal votes.

    Guests and spectators attend the 59th Presidential Inauguration for President Joe Biden at the U.S. Capitol in Washington, Wednesday, Jan. 20, 2021. (AP Photo/Susan Walsh, Pool)

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  9. Steven Seward Member
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    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    And the creepiest inauguration ever. That’s not the result of 81 million legal votes.

     

    Guests and spectators attend the 59th Presidential Inauguration for President Joe Biden at the U.S. Capitol in Washington, Wednesday, Jan. 20, 2021. (AP Photo/Susan Walsh, Pool)

    No, it’s the result of Coronavirus panic.

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  10. Steven Seward Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Cassandro (View Comment):

    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    “We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics.”

    “I don’t need you to get me elected”

    “Who gets to count the vote, count the vote, count the vote!”

    Yup. Amazing, isn’t it?

    Count the vote, don’t take the vote over!

    Count the vote, you know you can’t lose!

    Blast from the past! Compare that benign music video with the ones today where they have thugs and naked women.

    And yet they’re supposed to be so much more modern now, and against objectification of women…

    What was that Oscar-celebrated song not long ago? “It’s Hard Out Here For A Pimp?”

    The modern view is that you cannot criticize Black people for absolutely anything, even murder, unless of course they are a Conservative.  It’s the new morality.

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  11. Vince Guerra Inactive
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    Steven Seward (View Comment):
    Arizona, Florida, North Carolina, and Pennsylvania.  Not only was democrat voter registration increasing from 2016 – 2020, but it was outpacing the new republican voter registrations as well.

    Not true. 

    Review previous PA graphic on registration trend. Here are 20 counties not tied to blue bubbles that show how accurate the registration predictor is.

    Starting Point is 2004. First column shows which party had a registration edge, and by how much. Next column shows results of that years election (Kerry won PA by 2.5%).

    2008 columns show TREND in the registration. Ones in blue trended D in registration and suggested the county would move left. If results are in blue, the county moved left by that much. Vice versa for red and right. These counties were 20/20 on registration predictor.

    2012, independents so heavily R that this predictor was 85% accurate (17/20).

    2016, 60 of 67 counties registered more R and then 62 voted more R than in 2012. Trump flipped PA. This predictor for these counties was 20/20 perfect.

    In 2020, in same counties, the predictor only picked 1/20 for having a rightward trend.

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  12. Steven Seward Member
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    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):
    Arizona, Florida, North Carolina, and Pennsylvania. Not only was democrat voter registration increasing from 2016 – 2020, but it was outpacing the new republican voter registrations as well.

    Not true.

    Review previous PA graphic on registration trend. Here are 20 counties not tied to blue bubbles that show how accurate the registration predictor is.

    Starting Point is 2004. First column shows which party had a registration edge, and by how much. Next column shows results of that years election (Kerry won PA by 2.5%).

    2008 columns show TREND in the registration. Ones in blue trended D in registration and suggested the county would move left. If results are in blue, the county moved left by that much. Vice versa for red and right. These counties were 20/20 on registration predictor.

    2012, independents so heavily R that this predictor was 85% accurate (17/20).

    2016, 60 of 67 counties registered more R and then 62 voted more R than in 2012. Trump flipped PA. This predictor for these counties was 20/20 perfect.

    In 2020, in same counties, the predictor only picked 1/20 for having a rightward trend.

    Hey, I thought you didn’t believe any of the statistics, they’re all false and made up!  No?   I’ll put that aside for the moment because I’m often skeptical of articles that are cheering for one side (like the one I linked).  Besides, your chart only shows 20 of the 69 counties in PA.  So I went right to the source – The Pennsylvania Department of State.  Here is their archival data of voter registration by party from all counties:

    https://www.dos.pa.gov/VotingElections/OtherServicesEvents/VotingElectionStatistics/Pages/VotingElectionStatistics.aspx

    https://www.dos.pa.gov/VotingElections/OtherServicesEvents/VotingElectionStatistics/Pages/Voter-Registration-Statistics-Archives.aspx

    Nov. 2016 – Democrat Registered Voters – 4,217,456 —Republican Registered Voters – 3,301,182

    Nov. 2018 – Democrat Registered Voters – 4,111,325—-Republican Registered Voters – 3,270,882

    Nov. 2020- Democrat Registered Voters – 4,228,888—Republican Registered Voters – 3,543,070

    May 2022 – Democrat Registered Voters – 4,000,176—Republican Registered Voters – 3,450,048

    So it looks like both parties increased from 2016 to the 2020 election, with the Republicans increasing  more so by 7%  vs. .3% but with Democrats still holding a large majority.  Both parties had the mid-term dip in 2018 and again going into the 2022 mid-terms, the democrats predictably falling off the pace faster.  It does look like Republicans are making some gains on the Democrats but they are still pretty far behind for a Swing State.

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  13. Vince Guerra Inactive
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    Steven Seward (View Comment):
    Hey, I thought you didn’t believe any of the statistics, they’re all false and made up!  No?   I’ll put that aside for the moment because I’m often skeptical of articles that are cheering for one side (like the one I linked).  Besides, your chart only shows 20 of the 69 counties in PA.  So I went right to the source – The Pennsylvania Department of State. 

    I don’t but even the data you people hold as gospel truth expose anomalies that can’t be explained away other than by cheating. The other 49 counties likely didn’t have absurd outcomes. They’re probably irrelevant to the argument.  

    These are outcomes versus trends and none of them square with logic, history or math. Here are more:

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  14. Saint Augustine Member
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    These inference to the best explanation arguments are interesting, and I think there is something to them. I may, if I ever have a chance to catch up on electronic fraud allegations and everything else, get back to them and see what I can make of all the anomalies, explanations, and rebuttals of the explanations.

    In the meantime, this stuff is a clue to look for more information, more evidence that something was very wrong with Election 2020.

    I’ve found some of that.

    Evidence that has survived a round of fact-checking indicates that votes illegally cast or counted more than double the Biden margin of victory in five swing States.

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  15. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Saint Augustine (View Comment):
    Evidence that has survived a round of fact-checking indicates that votes illegally cast or counted more than double the Biden margin of victory in five swing States.

    I don’t really need anything else to go on

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  16. Vince Guerra Inactive
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):
    Evidence that has survived a round of fact-checking indicates that votes illegally cast or counted more than double the Biden margin of victory in five swing States.

    I don’t really need anything else to go on

    One would have been enough. 

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  17. Saint Augustine Member
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    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

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    Evidence that has survived a round of fact-checking indicates that votes illegally cast or counted more than double the Biden margin of victory in five swing States.

    I don’t really need anything else to go on

    One would have been enough.

    Yes. Even apart from electronic fraud, even apart from fraud as such flipping swing states, this is, all by itself, a national disgrace five times over.

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  18. kedavis Coolidge
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    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

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    Evidence that has survived a round of fact-checking indicates that votes illegally cast or counted more than double the Biden margin of victory in five swing States.

    I don’t really need anything else to go on

    One would have been enough.

    Yes. Even without electronic fraud, even without fraud as such flipping switn states, this is a national disgrace all by itself five times over.

    And one which the US State Department would have decried in any other country.

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  19. Dr. Bastiat Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

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    Saint Augustine (View Comment):
    Evidence that has survived a round of fact-checking indicates that votes illegally cast or counted more than double the Biden margin of victory in five swing States.

    I don’t really need anything else to go on

    One would have been enough.

    Yes. Even without electronic fraud, even without fraud as such flipping switn states, this is a national disgrace all by itself five times over.

    And one which the US State Department would have decried in any other country.

    Depending who won their election…

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  20. DonG (CAGW is a Hoax) Coolidge
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    Steven Seward (View Comment):

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    There was likely cheating, but the high vote totals is not evidence for it in my opinion.

    If the freakish vote total is consistent with cheating, then it is evidence in favor of. You can say it is weak evidence, but it is still evidence.

    How was it freakish? I demonstrated that Biden’s vote totals were commensurate with or lower than several other candidates since 1960 despite the fact that we are now in an era of renewed voter participation.

    You cannot compare turnout percentage before 18 year-olds could vote and now.  It is a different pool of voters.

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  21. kedavis Coolidge
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    So disappointing that even after this movie, plus everything else, Kevin Williamson and @charlescwc still refer to “election deniers.”

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  22. Steven Seward Member
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    DonG (CAGW is a Hoax) (View Comment):

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    There was likely cheating, but the high vote totals is not evidence for it in my opinion.

    If the freakish vote total is consistent with cheating, then it is evidence in favor of. You can say it is weak evidence, but it is still evidence.

    How was it freakish? I demonstrated that Biden’s vote totals were commensurate with or lower than several other candidates since 1960 despite the fact that we are now in an era of renewed voter participation.

    You cannot compare turnout percentage before 18 year-olds could vote and now. It is a different pool of voters.

    Why not?  The range of voter turnout before the voting age dropped to 18 in 1971 was just as variable and in the same range as it was after teenagers got to vote.    For instance in 1932 voter turnout was 52% and in 1960 it was 62%.  Even after lowering the voting age we had a 13-point shift between the elections of 1996 and 2020.  The first chart I posted showed that voter turnout has had wild swings in our history that are much greater than the 5 or 6% of people added to the pool by lowering the voting age.

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  23. Vince Guerra Inactive
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    Evidence that has survived a round of fact-checking indicates that votes illegally cast or counted more than double the Biden margin of victory in five swing States.

    I don’t really need anything else to go on

    One would have been enough.

    Yes. Even without electronic fraud, even without fraud as such flipping switn states, this is a national disgrace all by itself five times over.

    And one which the US State Department would have decried in any other country.

    Depending who won their election…

    They’ve assisted it in plenty of countries. One recent one in an Eastern European country comes to mind…something starting with a Ukr….I think…I’m trying to remember 

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    kedavis (View Comment):

    So disappointing that even after this movie, plus everything else, Kevin Williamson and @ charlescwc still refer to “election deniers.”

    Why would you expect them to do anything else? To even suggest that cheating existed would jeopardize their sinecures. Kevin knows well that pain when he lost his cushy job at The Atlantic. He knows that if he says anything controversial again he wont even get invites to the cocktail parties. 

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  25. DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic Oaf Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    So disappointing that even after this movie, plus everything else, Kevin Williamson and @ charlescwc still refer to “election deniers.”

    Expected of KW. Charlie’s hanging out here, now. Maybe there’s hope for him yet. 

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  26. Dbroussa Coolidge
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    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic … (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    So disappointing that even after this movie, plus everything else, Kevin Williamson and @ charlescwc still refer to “election deniers.”

    Expected of KW. Charlie’s hanging out here, now. Maybe there’s hope for him yet.

    I doubt it, but one never knows.  Cooke has always been pretty firm in his convictions from when I used to listen to The Editors and not very open to other points of view.  I suppose if he reads enough to form his own opinion, but is he reading the member posts, or just posting?

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  27. kedavis Coolidge
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    @kedavis

    Dbroussa (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic … (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    So disappointing that even after this movie, plus everything else, Kevin Williamson and @ charlescwc still refer to “election deniers.”

    Expected of KW. Charlie’s hanging out here, now. Maybe there’s hope for him yet.

    I doubt it, but one never knows. Cooke has always been pretty firm in his convictions from when I used to listen to The Editors and not very open to other points of view. I suppose if he reads enough to form his own opinion, but is he reading the member posts, or just posting?

    I don’t know how much reading of Ricochet he does, but his posting is miniscule.

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