The latest COVID-19 data out of Sweden suggests that not only is the country approaching zero deaths on a daily basis, they are also approaching zero new cases. Has Sweden reached herd immunity, and if so, how long until we do so here in the U.S.?

Avik Roy of the Foundation for Research on Equal Opportunity and Scott Immergut of Ricochet discuss this topic and more—including new orders on school reopenings in Texas and whether we should delay the presidential election due to COVID—on today’s episode of COVID in 19.

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  1. colleenb Member
    colleenb Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Really enjoying all the information and clear thinking in under 30 minutes. Thanks!

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    • July 31, 2020, at 12:27 PM PDT
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  2. Scott R Member
    Scott R Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    “Look at Sweden!” has been the most insufferable line in American politics for decades, and now it’s like music. Long live Sweden, the only place on earth where sanity prevailed.

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    • August 1, 2020, at 2:23 PM PDT
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  3. MISTER BITCOIN Member

    Scott R (View Comment):

    “Look at Sweden!” has been the most insufferable line in American politics for decades, and now it’s like music. Long live Sweden, the only place on earth where sanity prevailed.

    Swedish socialism is a myth. Swedes don’t hate billionaires.

     

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    • August 1, 2020, at 2:54 PM PDT
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  4. Scott R Member
    Scott R Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Also worth noting that while Sweden’s curve resembles NY’s in shape, time of peak, etc, it yielded one third the death rate — and without the suffering and, yes, death, associated with lockdowns. And if present trends hold, Sweden will best the US as a whole in death rate as well.

    The Fauci crowd will not admit it anytime soon, but once this all shakes out Sweden will emerge as the model for pandemic response in the West.

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    • August 1, 2020, at 3:08 PM PDT
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  5. MISTER BITCOIN Member

    colleenb (View Comment):

    Really enjoying all the information and clear thinking in under 30 minutes. Thanks!

    19 minutes

     

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    • August 1, 2020, at 3:43 PM PDT
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  6. MISTER BITCOIN Member

    Scott R (View Comment):

    Also worth noting that while Sweden’s curve resembles NY’s in shape, time of peak, etc, it yielded one third the death rate — and without the suffering and, yes, death, associated with lockdowns. And if present trends hold, Sweden will best the US as a whole in death rate as well.

    The Fauci crowd will not admit it anytime soon, but once this all shakes out Sweden will emerge as the model for pandemic response in the West.

     

    The one thing Sweden could have done better and the Swedish medical community admitted it: better protection of elders especially nursing homes

    Of course, one could say that about all countries and states

     

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    • August 1, 2020, at 3:45 PM PDT
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  7. arjun Lincoln

    I hope Dr. Avik and everyone else are right about herd immunity in Sweden but I am somewhat skeptical. Internet data suggest that Stockholm was hit hard, but that Gothenburg was not hit as hard. Perhaps Gothenburg might still be susceptible to a possible second wave?

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    • August 1, 2020, at 8:24 PM PDT
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  8. MISTER BITCOIN Member

    arjun (View Comment):

    I hope Dr. Avik and everyone else are right about herd immunity in Sweden but I am somewhat skeptical. Internet data suggest that Stockholm was hit hard, but that Gothenburg was not hit as hard. Perhaps Gothenburg might still be susceptible to a possible second wave?

    Avik is MD?

    If he is when is the last time he treated a patient?

     

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    • August 1, 2020, at 10:41 PM PDT
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  9. MISTER BITCOIN Member

    Scott R (View Comment):

    Also worth noting that while Sweden’s curve resembles NY’s in shape, time of peak, etc, it yielded one third the death rate — and without the suffering and, yes, death, associated with lockdowns. And if present trends hold, Sweden will best the US as a whole in death rate as well.

    The Fauci crowd will not admit it anytime soon, but once this all shakes out Sweden will emerge as the model for pandemic response in the West.

    Agree

    I actually think Sweden should have let bars and universities remain open.

    Regarding nursing homes, residents there are on borrowed time. If covid didn’t kill them can we assume all would have survived this year or this month or this week?

    I apologize if I sound callous and cold blooded

     

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    • August 2, 2020, at 2:39 AM PDT
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  10. Blue Yeti Admin

    MISTER BITCOIN (View Comment):

    arjun (View Comment):

    I hope Dr. Avik and everyone else are right about herd immunity in Sweden but I am somewhat skeptical. Internet data suggest that Stockholm was hit hard, but that Gothenburg was not hit as hard. Perhaps Gothenburg might still be susceptible to a possible second wave?

    Avik is MD?

    If he is when is the last time he treated a patient?

     

    He is not an MD. He’s a policy guy. 

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    • August 2, 2020, at 8:14 PM PDT
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