The Violence is Real

 

I have a kid at Rutgers. The daily intimidation is real. It makes no difference what he thinks about Israel: nobody is asking. They just want to attack Jews. I am not actually afraid for #5’s physical well-being on account of his size and training – but if he was a more likely target (or a petite girl), then I may have done what other parents have done, and forced him to transfer or otherwise drop out.

VDH put it well:

When pro-Hamas thugs chase Jews into libraries, block their entrances on campus, and scream “beat the Jew” as they hit piñatas, they do not first ask Jews whether they support Israel—because they could care less. For the Islamist Middle Easterner on a student visa or green card and his useful American student, it is enough that their targets are Jewish—period.

Remember, the protests started on October 7, not on October 27, when the IDF went into Gaza. At that point, campus and street protests merely changed from euphoric triumphalism on the news that Hamas had slaughtered, decapitated, mutilated, raped, or kidnapped hundreds of Jews (“exhilarated,” a Cornell professor gushed of the carnage), to furor and violence. 

You want to see violence against Jews? Here is a pretty blatant case.  I can tell you that being attacked by other people in the street is extremely clarifying, and deeply unsettling, not to mention potentially life-threatening. 

For years I downplayed reports of anti-semitism: I have no interest in any Jew being a victim. Every person has the duty to defend themselves and the people they love. I thank America and G-d for the Second Amendment, and pray that, because we have the right and the means to defend ourselves with deadly force if necessary, that we never have to do so.

But nobody with an ounce of integrity should be able to claim (as some have done here), that there is no violence in these protests. 

 

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  1. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
    @BryanGStephens

    Thank you for sharing. 

    I cannot belive anyone would deny this.

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  2. Percival Thatcher
    Percival
    @Percival

    Stay safe, iWe.

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  3. Michael Collins Member
    Michael Collins
    @MichaelCollins

    Amsterdam of all places!

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  4. Henry Racette Member
    Henry Racette
    @HenryRacette

    I have a Jewish friend who teaches Russian at Rutgers. She’s told me something of how ugly it is. She gets to Israel whenever she can, and finds it wonderfully uplifting.

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  5. MarciN Member
    MarciN
    @MarciN

    Israel did not ask for this war. Beginning in 2007 they have been leaving Hamas alone in Gaza to govern the country any way they wanted. Hamas attacked Israel.

    I would be sympathetic to the protesters if this situation were not so simple to see.

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  6. TBA, sometimes known as 'Teebs'. Coolidge
    TBA, sometimes known as 'Teebs'.
    @RobtGilsdorf

    With respect, the person or persons making the claim that there is no violence seemed to be speaking specifically of ‘protests’ taking place on US schools. 

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  7. Doug Watt Member
    Doug Watt
    @DougWatt

    I’ve been involved with both riots and non-violent protests. There are always individuals in the mob that are there for vandalism and fights. Whether it’s a barfight or crowds in the hundreds there are some that are there because they enjoy assaulting people.

    What I’m seeing right now at some schools is an organized effort to impose their will by violent means on Jews and anyone else that interferes with breaking up their self-absorbed and entitled nonsense.

    When a group is carrying homemade shields, wearing helmets, carrying fireworks, and bottles they are dressed for a fight, and there will be a fight.

    I’ve carried the long stick and have used it to reach out and touch someone on several occasions, it’s called pain compliance for a reason, especially useful for slow learners that haven’t heard the word “no” as often as they should have from their parents.  

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  8. E. Kent Golding Moderator
    E. Kent Golding
    @EKentGolding

    Jews,  and everyone else,  have a right to live in peace and go to school wherever they want.    I support peace and freedom for the Jews,  and I think they bring a tremendous benefit to the USA – economically, intellectually, and morally.

    However,  just because you have a right to do something, doesn’t make it prudent.   There are better universities out there than Rutgers,  that are also safer and less hostile to Jews.    Have your son apply to better schools.

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  9. The Reticulator Member
    The Reticulator
    @TheReticulator

    E. Kent Golding (View Comment):
    However,  just because you have a right to do something, doesn’t make it prudent. 

    You’re sounding kinda Bushie there. 

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  10. Hartmann von Aue Member
    Hartmann von Aue
    @HartmannvonAue

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Thank you for sharing.

    I cannot belive anyone would deny this.

    Only moral cretins and other scumbuckets. Of which we seem to have a few, lamentably, in our membership.

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  11. Hartmann von Aue Member
    Hartmann von Aue
    @HartmannvonAue

    TBA, sometimes known as 'Teebs… (View Comment):

    With respect, the person or persons making the claim that there is no violence seemed to be speaking specifically of ‘protests’ taking place on US schools.

    Which makes the claim all the more risible.

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  12. Paul Stinchfield Member
    Paul Stinchfield
    @PaulStinchfield

    Michael Collins (View Comment):

    Amsterdam of all places!

    Amsterdam especially.

    This has been developing for decades, as Muslim immigrant populations grew. We Americans hear almost nothing about this, however, because our liberal- and left-dominated news outlets carefully refrain from reporting what has been happening. And also because liberal and leftist government officials want to conceal the truth.

    See Bruce Bawer’s 2006 book While Europe slept : How Radical Islam is Destroying the West from Within.

    Bruce Bawer is an American ex-pat who has been living in Europe since 1998, first in the Netherlands and then in Norway. He has first-hand experience with the reality of Muslim immigration.

    From the closing pages of the book:

    I FIRST TRAVELED to the Netherlands in 1997 and thought I’d found the closest thing to heaven on earth. What sentient being, I wondered, wouldn’t want to live there?

    On March 24, 2005, my partner and I flew to Amsterdam for the weekend. Walking into our hotel room shortly past 8:30 P.M., I turned on the TV. The news had just started on the Dutch channel AT5. Muslim intolerance of homosexuality, said the anchorperson, was making life more dangerous for gays in Amsterdam.

    Survey results released in April showed that every third Dutchman wanted to leave the country. In February, our old vriendje Marlise Simons had reported that since the van Gogh murder, the number of people emigrating from the Netherlands—most headed for “large English-speaking nations like Australia, New Zealand and Canada”—had risen dramatically. The main reason? Fear of radical Islam. The article made poignant reading.

    In May 2005, Norwegian TV ran a long report on the many Dutch families moving to rural Norway. Why were they leaving home? The reporter cited crime and population density—not immigrant problems. The only hint of the truth came at the end, when a Dutchman said Norway was “twenty years behind the Netherlands in its social situation” and that by the time it caught up, he’d be old and past caring. The reporter chose not to explain what he meant by “social situation.”

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  13. Paul Stinchfield Member
    Paul Stinchfield
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Thank you for sharing.

    I cannot belive anyone would deny this.

    Remember the “fiery but mostly peaceful protests” lie?

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  14. Hartmann von Aue Member
    Hartmann von Aue
    @HartmannvonAue

    Regarding the Netherlands, here’s a Tweet from Geert Wilders:

     

    “This is why you should vote for the PVV” (Wilder’s party).

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  15. Hartmann von Aue Member
    Hartmann von Aue
    @HartmannvonAue

    And from the Simon Wiesenthal Center:

    https://www.wiesenthal.com/about/news/swc-denounces-uc-berkeley.html

    Note the date: February 28th.

    Again, the “peaceful protest” lie is indefensible.

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  16. Paul Stinchfield Member
    Paul Stinchfield
    @PaulStinchfield

    Hartmann von Aue (View Comment):
    Regarding the Netherlands, here’s a Tweet from Geert Wilders:

    I know American “liberals” who strongly believe that Geert Wilders should be in prison. I don’t know any American liberals who have defended him.

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  17. Paul Stinchfield Member
    Paul Stinchfield
    @PaulStinchfield

    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):
    See Bruce Bawer’s 2006 book While Europe slept : How Radical Islam is Destroying the West from Within.

    Also from that book, about the aftermath of the murder of Theo Van Gogh:

    From there I took a long tram ride to the Muslim neighborhood called the Oud West, where a policewoman told me flat-out not to venture into such areas. “The mood in all of the Netherlands is very tense right now,” she explained in a slow, deliberate, distinctively Dutch way. Earlier that day, a journalist’s car had been smashed. Later, I learned that Rotterdam police had destroyed a street mural—featuring the words “Thou shalt not kill,” a picture of an angel, and the date of van Gogh’s murder—because the head of a nearby mosque had called it racist. Wim Nottroth, a cameraman who tried to protect the mural, had been arrested, and a camerawoman who filmed its destruction had been forced to erase part of her videotape.

     

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  18. Paul Stinchfield Member
    Paul Stinchfield
    @PaulStinchfield

    Here are some “peaceful protesters” in 2020, harassing and intimidating random restaurant patrons in Washington DC, demanding that they raise a fist in support of Black Lives Matter:

     

    And here are some more “peaceful protesters” being their usual thuggish selves:

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  19. iWe Coolidge
    iWe
    @iWe

    Here is a pro-Israel demonstrator being assaulted on the Upper East Side of NYC. 

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  20. Susan Quinn Member
    Susan Quinn
    @SusanQuinn

    @iwe‘s son is a courageous young man. As @iwe says, the fellow can protect himself, and yet I can’t help being concerned for him. On the other hand, he is demonstrating that the terrorists can’t drive him out. That is a good thing.

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  21. cdor Member
    cdor
    @cdor

    What was that damn cop doing in the linked tweet? People were being struck with wooden slats three feet long directly in front of the cop. All he could muster was the energy to walk over to the attackers and ask them to stop?

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  22. Henry Racette Member
    Henry Racette
    @HenryRacette

    From another teacher at Rutgers, a friend of a friend:

    Throughout this year, I have found it difficult to breathe. I have lost my taste for my job; the joy that I used to feel in working at Rutgers has disappeared. This is the first year since graduate school in which I have not been able to produce a word of scholarly writing in [the author’s field]. All I have done is confront antisemitism. I have been privy to the details of antisemitic incidents at Rutgers from the classroom to the dormitory to the highest offices at the university. I have burned every bridge I had here to advocate for students, staff members, and faculty members in distress. On many workdays I did nothing else.

    Some people have commented on the trash left behind when the protesters finally leave. The true pollution, the soiling, the corruption is far greater than the tons of garbage these people cast about. The true pollution is the same as that which poisons the spirits of the children of Gaza: it’s the relentless, age-old, seemingly unquenchable hate of the racist, of the anti-Semite bigot.

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  23. drlorentz Member
    drlorentz
    @drlorentz

    cdor (View Comment):
    What was that damn cop doing in the linked tweet? People were being struck with wooden slats three feet long directly in front of the cop. All he could muster was the energy to walk over to the attackers and ask them to stop?

    And where’s the water cannon?

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  24. drlorentz Member
    drlorentz
    @drlorentz

     

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  25. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
    @BryanGStephens

    Anyone who denied the violence is an antisemite. 

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  26. MarciN Member
    MarciN
    @MarciN

    This is a good interview (about five minutes) with Columbia Law School alumnus Robert Charles on the violence at Columbia. He points out that Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg would not have been able to attend the law school safely under the present conditions.

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  27. David Foster Member
    David Foster
    @DavidFoster

    ‘Educators’ and various nonprofits are working hard on the training of future generations of activists:  Teach the Children Well.

     

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  28. Ray Gunner Coolidge
    Ray Gunner
    @RayGunner

    iWe: I have a kid at Rutgers. The daily intimidation is real. It makes no difference what he thinks about Israel: nobody is asking. They just want to attack Jews.

    How times change.  He would be more welcome at ‘Bama.

    https://hillel.ua.edu/

     

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  29. WillowSpring Member
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    @WillowSpring

    E. Kent Golding (View Comment):

    Jews, and everyone else, have a right to live in peace and go to school wherever they want. I support peace and freedom for the Jews, and I think they bring a tremendous benefit to the USA – economically, intellectually, and morally.

    However, just because you have a right to do something, doesn’t make it prudent. There are better universities out there than Rutgers, that are also safer and less hostile to Jews. Have your son apply to better schools.

    I reluctantly agree with your last sentence, but as an American citizen ( non-Jewish as if it matters) I think the perpetrators should be the ones to suffer

    I really worry what is happening to my country.

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  30. Barfly Member
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    @Barfly

    TBA, sometimes known as 'Teebs… (View Comment):

    With respect, the person or persons making the claim that there is no violence seemed to be speaking specifically of ‘protests’ taking place on US schools.

    Keeping people out of places they have a right to be in, by threat or implication of force, is violence.

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