It’s Time for Liz Cheney to Go

 

House Republicans kept Liz Cheney in her leadership role by a secret vote in February. If there’s a vote in May, she won’t be so lucky.

The Wyoming representative angered many in the base when she joined nine other Republicans to impeach President Donald Trump for his role in the Jan. 6 storming of the Capitol. As House Republican Conference chair, she holds the third-highest position in minority leadership. Trump supporters found it a betrayal of their party.

Cheney avoided removal with a 145-61 vote in her favor. Anyone with a hint of political acumen or leadership instincts would start mending fences, uniting the caucus, and moving forward. Cheney chose the opposite.

She crowed about her victory at the time and worsened her position ever since. Every few weeks, Cheney popped up in the news, always to condemn Donald Trump and the majority of Republicans who supported him.

The last straw came Monday. Speaking at an off-the-record AEI conference in Sea Island, GA, Cheney said: “We can’t embrace the notion the election is stolen. It’s a poison in the bloodstream of our democracy. We can’t whitewash what happened on January 6 or perpetuate Trump’s big lie. It is a threat to democracy. What he did on January 6 is a line that cannot be crossed.”

These comments were leaked, as Cheney expected. They were preceded earlier in the day with her tweet: “The 2020 presidential election was not stolen. Anyone who claims it was is spreading THE BIG LIE, turning their back on the rule of law, and poisoning our democratic system.”

As after every Cheney comment in the past three months, Republicans and pundits are attacking each other, relitigating the 2016 and 2020 elections, and fretting about Trump’s future moves.

If House leadership’s job is to divide its own party, Cheney would be a perfect fit. But Republican Conference Chairs are supposed to unite the team and take the fight to Democrats. You know, the party that controls the House, the Senate, and the White House, and is jamming through a radical progressive agenda.

On substance, I agree with Cheney. The election was not stolen and Trump’s Jan. 6 incitement merited impeachment. But all that is history. The GOP’s job today is to stop Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, and Chuck Schumer. In that fight — the only fight that matters six months after the election — Cheney is AWOL.

Say I bought a sweet 1967 Ford Mustang. Candy apple red, 320 horses, lovingly restored. But six months ago, my wife borrowed it, ran a stop sign, and totaled the car. I would be upset. We would have a long, painful talk. I would sulk for a few weeks then buy a boring used Honda to replace it.

Then my wife asks me to drop off the kids at school, I reply, “Oh, should I bring them in my crappy Accord I had to buy because you destroyed my beautiful Mustang?!

When she asks if I want anything from Starbucks, I say, “how about a hot Venti Ford-uccino? Do they have one of those?

“Ugh, Jon. the stylist wrecked my hair.”

“Speaking of wrecks…”

“Jon, that was six months ago. Can we please move on?”

“We can’t embrace the notion that you didn’t wreck my car. It’s a poison in the bloodstream of our marriage. We can’t whitewash what happened to my Mustang! What you did to my car was a line that cannot be crossed!”

Everything sulky Jon said above was accurate. Nothing was helpful, intelligent, or useful to our relationship.

The wife would be right to file for divorce. And it’s time to file papers on Rep. Cheney.

This mess isn’t just about Liz Cheney, the House GOP, or Beltway pundits. Cheney was hired to represent the people of Wyoming and she refuses to do it.

In a just-released poll, Wyoming Republican primary voters oppose her 29% to 65%. Fifty-two percent would vote against her regardless of the challenger. This is hardly surprising since the state chose Trump over Biden 70.4% to 26.7%. Trump’s margin was higher than Cheney’s in 2020.

It’s not as if she is bitterly holding on in a blue state. Wyoming’s lower house is 51-9 GOP and the senate is 28-2 GOP. You could paint an R on a stray cat and voters would send it to the US Capitol over a Democrat.

Most GOP representatives would do a better job as Chair today and Cheney will likely be removed from the House by her own constituents 18 months from now. The job should go to a Republican who wants to achieve party goals in the current Congress and prepare to take the majority in 2022.

For those who want to relitigate the past, there are plenty of pundits eager to take up the slack.

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  1. Richard Easton Coolidge
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    DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone (View Comment):

    W Bob (View Comment):

    DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone (View Comment):

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    She lost her objectivity when she voted to impeach Trump. If she believed in the rule of law, she would recognize that what he did and said on Jan. 6 was not a crime. She’s like the George Floyd jurors in a way. The verdict has to validate the narrative, not the facts.

    Well said.

    If she believed in the rule of law, she’s have recognized that the Impeachment vote she happily joined violated the constitution.

    I don’t know who she thinks she’s signalling to, but it’s not the Republican base. If anything, it’s donors. She wants cash. She’s a greedy pol.

    And who does she think will vote for her?

    A campaign is a means to an end — the end being DONOR CASH, not election. She would be running to win but to CASH IN.

    She may also be auditioning for TV gigs. I also hear they’re openings with the Lincoln Project.

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  2. DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone Member
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    Richard Easton (View Comment):

    She may also be auditioning for TV gigs. I also hear they’re openings with the Lincoln Project,

    Picturing her and Joyce in a cage match to see who gets Steve Schmidt’s parking space.

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  3. Basil Fawlty Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    I used to respect Mollie Hemingway.  She joined the Pod People long, long ago.

    We can only hope she never learns of her shame.

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  4. kedavis Coolidge
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    Cheney 2024! In a world of Trumpers, the woman with a vision and honesty will stand out.

    Will she though?

    Talking about Trump, and the media attention the followed, did not help that guy in Texas 6 get any real percent of the vote.

    He came in 4th or 5th among 11 Republicans. The nature of jungle primaries is that two or three people catch fire and the election comes down to them. He didn’t catch fire. This time.

    This is an extremely generous view of the election results. Yes he came in 5th of 11 Republicans. That may sound decent to you, but of the votes cast for all Republican candidates he got only 5% of these votes. The top three Republicans got 31%, 22% and 17% of the votes for Republicans.

    It is not that he just didn’t catch fire. He was not a factor at all in the election.

    And neither were Klobuchar-Buttigieg in 2020.  Gary sure knows how to pick ’em!

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  5. Gary Robbins Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

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    Jon Gabriel, Ed.: On substance, I agree with Cheney. The election was not stolen and Trump’s Jan. 6 incitement merited impeachment.

    Sigh.

    I agree. We don’t know if the election was stolen or not. No recount was performed. Only a few investigations of any kind.

    There’s still hope for an asterisk next to Biden’s name on the list of presidents. “Election later found to have been fraudulent.”

    It “could” snow in Phoenix in July, but the last time there was snow in Phoenix was in the dead of winter in the 1960’s and I was there.

    “There you go again.”

    I lived in Phoenix from 1993 to 2004 and from 2009 through most of 2020 and there was snow more than once.

    Not that it lasted long. But it was there.

    Where in Phoenix did you live?  There can be snow up in Cave Creek and Carefree which are at 2,400 feet, while Phoenix has an elevation of only 1,000 feet. I lived in the Phoenix/Scottsdale area from 1956 to 1970, and from 1978 to 1992.  No snow.  Your time slots are not the same as mine.  Will you grant me that it is highly unlikely to snow in Phoenix in July, which the point?

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  6. Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Democracy) Coolidge
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    The sooner we get to the post-Trump GOP the better.  Liz Cheney is a hindrance to that goal.  She needs to go. 

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  7. DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone Member
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    Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Demo… (View Comment):

    The sooner we get to the post-Trump GOP the better.

    Maybe. Depends on what it looks like. The battle is being waged now. Who will win? Those who believe in freedom and liberty or those who would sell out the citizen class for a mess o’ pottage?

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  8. Giulietta Inactive
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    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):

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    I wish Liz Cheney would spend more time on critical race theory in our schools, and I wouldn’t mind if she threw a bone, or two to law enforcement. There must be something in the water in DC. Elected officials forget that they are there to further the interests of those who sent them there.

    I have a neighbor, whom I adore, who always votes Democrat. When I asked her what she thought of the CRT, she had no idea what I was talking about. The real problem in this country is the ignorance of the electorate. Democracy can only work with an educated voter, and we have far too many people in this country who pay no attention to policy until it’s too late. This country was founded some 250 years ago as an experiment; only now are we beginning to realize how fragile that experiment really is.

    Jeremy Boreing from the Daily Wire put out a very good podcast episode where he made a solid case (albeit a rather obvious one) that the media stole the election and your comment about your neighbor is a case in point. I have a solidly Democratic friend who is similar- she is a busy mother of two small children who doesn’t have time to chase down more detailed information, peruse multiple news sources, listen to podcasts with lengthier interviews. She listens to MSM snippets and, as bright and well-intentioned as she is, that’s it. She doesn’t like political correctness, but she really doesn’t think things will get that bad. Whatever anyone thinks about the election being stolen in various states, rules being circumvented for mail-in ballots, etc etc., the media’s role has been the most glaringly awful.

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  9. Giulietta Inactive
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    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):

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    Liz Cheney is like a dog with a bone on Trump- she can’t let go of him. I think there were definite irregularities in the election- states like Pennsylvania broke and bent their own laws about how elections were to be carried out and that is worthy of investigation. Trump’s speech in D.C. was not an incitement to violence, it was not an invitation to storm a government building. The riots that took place this past summer cannot even be mentioned in the same breath as January 5th. There is no comparison.

    There is no question in my mind that Trump revitalized the Republican Party…

    If he had revitalized the party, they wouldn’t have lost BOTH houses of Congress. The GOP held the whole shebang when he won in 2016. His leadership cost them both branches of Congress and the presidency – some revitalization.

    I think the revitalization shows in the way that GOP politicians like Cruz and Rubio are braver when they speak now. Trump spoke directly, he didn’t bother posing in a plaid shirt and jeans for a photo op with Melania when he went to coal country. He was himself, all the time, for better or worse. I think GOP reps understand the public doesn’t have an appetite for photo-op politicians anymore.

    Yes, the GOP had both branches of Congress under Trump. But to what extent was the GOP actually united behind Trump? some of them disavowed him publicly from the start- shall we even mention the Lincoln Project here that made it their mission to undo him (and then undid themselves so charmingly in recent months?). We can debate Trump’s style, his character as much as you like, but he never had a unified ruling party and we see in the face of Democratic chaos, the Republicans are falling apart over Liz Cheney instead of bonding together over what matters- Biden’s devastating policies.

    As for 2020 losses…well 2020 was projected to be a Democratic sweep and it was not. They lost a pile of House seats. We can debate what happened in Georgia’s Senate race until the cows come home. It was a loss and that was that. If the Republicans don’t gain back the House and Senate in 2022, they have only themselves to blame.

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  10. kedavis Coolidge
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    Giulietta (View Comment):

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    Liz Cheney is like a dog with a bone on Trump- she can’t let go of him. I think there were definite irregularities in the election- states like Pennsylvania broke and bent their own laws about how elections were to be carried out and that is worthy of investigation. Trump’s speech in D.C. was not an incitement to violence, it was not an invitation to storm a government building. The riots that took place this past summer cannot even be mentioned in the same breath as January 5th. There is no comparison.

    There is no question in my mind that Trump revitalized the Republican Party…

    If he had revitalized the party, they wouldn’t have lost BOTH houses of Congress. The GOP held the whole shebang when he won in 2016. His leadership cost them both branches of Congress and the presidency – some revitalization.

    I think the revitalization shows in the way that GOP politicians like Cruz and Rubio are braver when they speak now. Trump spoke directly, he didn’t bother posing in a plaid shirt and jeans for a photo op with Melania when he went to coal country. He was himself, all the time, for better or worse. I think GOP reps understand the public doesn’t have an appetite for photo-op politicians anymore.

    Yes, the GOP had both branches of Congress under Trump. But to what extent was the GOP actually united behind Trump? some of them disavowed him publicly from the start- shall we even mention the Lincoln Project here that made it their mission to undo him (and then undid themselves so charmingly in recent months?). We can debate Trump’s style, his character as much as you like, but he never had a unified ruling party and we see in the face of Democratic chaos, the Republicans are falling apart over Liz Cheney instead of bonding together over what matters- Biden’s devastating policies.

    As for 2020 losses…well 2020 was projected to be a Democratic sweep and it was not. They lost a pile of House seats. We can debate what happened in Georgia’s Senate race until the cows come home. It was a loss and that was that. If the Republicans don’t gain back the House and Senate in 2022, they have only themselves to blame.

    Assuming valid elections, you’re right.

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  11. Giulietta Inactive
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    kedavis (View Comment):

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    Liz Cheney is like a dog with a bone on Trump- she can’t let go of him. I think there were definite irregularities in the election- states like Pennsylvania broke and bent their own laws about how elections were to be carried out and that is worthy of investigation. Trump’s speech in D.C. was not an incitement to violence, it was not an invitation to storm a government building. The riots that took place this past summer cannot even be mentioned in the same breath as January 5th. There is no comparison.

    There is no question in my mind that Trump revitalized the Republican Party…

    If he had revitalized the party, they wouldn’t have lost BOTH houses of Congress. The GOP held the whole shebang when he won in 2016. His leadership cost them both branches of Congress and the presidency – some revitalization.

    I think the revitalization shows in the way that GOP politicians like Cruz and Rubio are braver when they speak now. Trump spoke directly, he didn’t bother posing in a plaid shirt and jeans for a photo op with Melania when he went to coal country. He was himself, all the time, for better or worse. I think GOP reps understand the public doesn’t have an appetite for photo-op politicians anymore.

    Yes, the GOP had both branches of Congress under Trump. But to what extent was the GOP actually united behind Trump? some of them disavowed him publicly from the start- shall we even mention the Lincoln Project here that made it their mission to undo him (and then undid themselves so charmingly in recent months?). We can debate Trump’s style, his character as much as you like, but he never had a unified ruling party and we see in the face of Democratic chaos, the Republicans are falling apart over Liz Cheney instead of bonding together over what matters- Biden’s devastating policies.

    As for 2020 losses…well 2020 was projected to be a Democratic sweep and it was not. They lost a pile of House seats. We can debate what happened in Georgia’s Senate race until the cows come home. It was a loss and that was that. If the Republicans don’t gain back the House and Senate in 2022, they have only themselves to blame.

    Assuming valid elections, you’re right.

    Always assuming valid elections! Bracing oneself for everything. 

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  12. kedavis Coolidge
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    Giulietta (View Comment):

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    Liz Cheney is like a dog with a bone on Trump- she can’t let go of him. I think there were definite irregularities in the election- states like Pennsylvania broke and bent their own laws about how elections were to be carried out and that is worthy of investigation. Trump’s speech in D.C. was not an incitement to violence, it was not an invitation to storm a government building. The riots that took place this past summer cannot even be mentioned in the same breath as January 5th. There is no comparison.

    There is no question in my mind that Trump revitalized the Republican Party…

    If he had revitalized the party, they wouldn’t have lost BOTH houses of Congress. The GOP held the whole shebang when he won in 2016. His leadership cost them both branches of Congress and the presidency – some revitalization.

    I think the revitalization shows in the way that GOP politicians like Cruz and Rubio are braver when they speak now. Trump spoke directly, he didn’t bother posing in a plaid shirt and jeans for a photo op with Melania when he went to coal country. He was himself, all the time, for better or worse. I think GOP reps understand the public doesn’t have an appetite for photo-op politicians anymore.

    Yes, the GOP had both branches of Congress under Trump. But to what extent was the GOP actually united behind Trump? some of them disavowed him publicly from the start- shall we even mention the Lincoln Project here that made it their mission to undo him (and then undid themselves so charmingly in recent months?). We can debate Trump’s style, his character as much as you like, but he never had a unified ruling party and we see in the face of Democratic chaos, the Republicans are falling apart over Liz Cheney instead of bonding together over what matters- Biden’s devastating policies.

    As for 2020 losses…well 2020 was projected to be a Democratic sweep and it was not. They lost a pile of House seats. We can debate what happened in Georgia’s Senate race until the cows come home. It was a loss and that was that. If the Republicans don’t gain back the House and Senate in 2022, they have only themselves to blame.

    Assuming valid elections, you’re right.

    Always assuming valid elections! Bracing oneself for everything.

    But that means if the Republicans DON’T gain back the House and Senate in 2022, it won’t necessarily be REPUBLICAN’S fault.  Unless you’re assuming that Republicans can fix all the different states’ election problems by then, and they won’t be vetoed by Democrat governors, etc.

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  13. RufusRJones Member
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    Giulietta (View Comment):

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    I wish Liz Cheney would spend more time on critical race theory in our schools, and I wouldn’t mind if she threw a bone, or two to law enforcement. There must be something in the water in DC. Elected officials forget that they are there to further the interests of those who sent them there.

    I have a neighbor, whom I adore, who always votes Democrat. When I asked her what she thought of the CRT, she had no idea what I was talking about. The real problem in this country is the ignorance of the electorate. Democracy can only work with an educated voter, and we have far too many people in this country who pay no attention to policy until it’s too late. This country was founded some 250 years ago as an experiment; only now are we beginning to realize how fragile that experiment really is.

    Jeremy Boreing from the Daily Wire put out a very good podcast episode where he made a solid case (albeit a rather obvious one) that the media stole the election and your comment about your neighbor is a case in point. I have a solidly Democratic friend who is similar- she is a busy mother of two small children who doesn’t have time to chase down more detailed information, peruse multiple news sources, listen to podcasts with lengthier interviews. She listens to MSM snippets and, as bright and well-intentioned as she is, that’s it. She doesn’t like political correctness, but she really doesn’t think things will get that bad. Whatever anyone thinks about the election being stolen in various states, rules being circumvented for mail-in ballots, etc etc., the media’s role has been the most glaringly awful.

    Joel Pollak of Breitbart news wrote an e-book saying the same thing. The election vote at all kinds of United Nations standards. Then throw in how the thing was run by Zuckerberg and the Democrat lawfare.

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  14. RufusRJones Member
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    Giulietta (View Comment):

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    Liz Cheney is like a dog with a bone on Trump- she can’t let go of him. I think there were definite irregularities in the election- states like Pennsylvania broke and bent their own laws about how elections were to be carried out and that is worthy of investigation. Trump’s speech in D.C. was not an incitement to violence, it was not an invitation to storm a government building. The riots that took place this past summer cannot even be mentioned in the same breath as January 5th. There is no comparison.

    There is no question in my mind that Trump revitalized the Republican Party…

    If he had revitalized the party, they wouldn’t have lost BOTH houses of Congress. The GOP held the whole shebang when he won in 2016. His leadership cost them both branches of Congress and the presidency – some revitalization.

    I think the revitalization shows in the way that GOP politicians like Cruz and Rubio are braver when they speak now. Trump spoke directly, he didn’t bother posing in a plaid shirt and jeans for a photo op with Melania when he went to coal country. He was himself, all the time, for better or worse. I think GOP reps understand the public doesn’t have an appetite for photo-op politicians anymore.

    Yes, the GOP had both branches of Congress under Trump. But to what extent was the GOP actually united behind Trump? some of them disavowed him publicly from the start- shall we even mention the Lincoln Project here that made it their mission to undo him (and then undid themselves so charmingly in recent months?). We can debate Trump’s style, his character as much as you like, but he never had a unified ruling party and we see in the face of Democratic chaos, the Republicans are falling apart over Liz Cheney instead of bonding together over what matters- Biden’s devastating policies.

    As for 2020 losses…well 2020 was projected to be a Democratic sweep and it was not. They lost a pile of House seats. We can debate what happened in Georgia’s Senate race until the cows come home. It was a loss and that was that. If the Republicans don’t gain back the House and Senate in 2022, they have only themselves to blame.

    This is very good.

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  15. kedavis Coolidge
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

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    Liz Cheney is like a dog with a bone on Trump- she can’t let go of him. I think there were definite irregularities in the election- states like Pennsylvania broke and bent their own laws about how elections were to be carried out and that is worthy of investigation. Trump’s speech in D.C. was not an incitement to violence, it was not an invitation to storm a government building. The riots that took place this past summer cannot even be mentioned in the same breath as January 5th. There is no comparison.

    There is no question in my mind that Trump revitalized the Republican Party…

    If he had revitalized the party, they wouldn’t have lost BOTH houses of Congress. The GOP held the whole shebang when he won in 2016. His leadership cost them both branches of Congress and the presidency – some revitalization.

    I think the revitalization shows in the way that GOP politicians like Cruz and Rubio are braver when they speak now. Trump spoke directly, he didn’t bother posing in a plaid shirt and jeans for a photo op with Melania when he went to coal country. He was himself, all the time, for better or worse. I think GOP reps understand the public doesn’t have an appetite for photo-op politicians anymore.

    Yes, the GOP had both branches of Congress under Trump. But to what extent was the GOP actually united behind Trump? some of them disavowed him publicly from the start- shall we even mention the Lincoln Project here that made it their mission to undo him (and then undid themselves so charmingly in recent months?). We can debate Trump’s style, his character as much as you like, but he never had a unified ruling party and we see in the face of Democratic chaos, the Republicans are falling apart over Liz Cheney instead of bonding together over what matters- Biden’s devastating policies.

    As for 2020 losses…well 2020 was projected to be a Democratic sweep and it was not. They lost a pile of House seats. We can debate what happened in Georgia’s Senate race until the cows come home. It was a loss and that was that. If the Republicans don’t gain back the House and Senate in 2022, they have only themselves to blame.

    This is very good.

    Except it’s false, if elections are untrustworthy.

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  16. Richard Easton Coolidge
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    Jon, look at this interesting evidence of massive voter fraud in 2020.

    https://electionwiz.com/2021/05/04/census-reveals-weird-anomaly-shows-millions-less-voted-in-2020-election-than-official-tally/

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  17. Gazpacho Grande' Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

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    Liz Cheney is like a dog with a bone on Trump- she can’t let go of him. I think there were definite irregularities in the election- states like Pennsylvania broke and bent their own laws about how elections were to be carried out and that is worthy of investigation. Trump’s speech in D.C. was not an incitement to violence, it was not an invitation to storm a government building. The riots that took place this past summer cannot even be mentioned in the same breath as January 5th. There is no comparison.

    There is no question in my mind that Trump revitalized the Republican Party…

    If he had revitalized the party, they wouldn’t have lost BOTH houses of Congress. The GOP held the whole shebang when he won in 2016. His leadership cost them both branches of Congress and the presidency – some revitalization.

    I think the revitalization shows in the way that GOP politicians like Cruz and Rubio are braver when they speak now. Trump spoke directly, he didn’t bother posing in a plaid shirt and jeans for a photo op with Melania when he went to coal country. He was himself, all the time, for better or worse. I think GOP reps understand the public doesn’t have an appetite for photo-op politicians anymore.

    Yes, the GOP had both branches of Congress under Trump. But to what extent was the GOP actually united behind Trump? some of them disavowed him publicly from the start- shall we even mention the Lincoln Project here that made it their mission to undo him (and then undid themselves so charmingly in recent months?). We can debate Trump’s style, his character as much as you like, but he never had a unified ruling party and we see in the face of Democratic chaos, the Republicans are falling apart over Liz Cheney instead of bonding together over what matters- Biden’s devastating policies.

    As for 2020 losses…well 2020 was projected to be a Democratic sweep and it was not. They lost a pile of House seats. We can debate what happened in Georgia’s Senate race until the cows come home. It was a loss and that was that. If the Republicans don’t gain back the House and Senate in 2022, they have only themselves to blame.

    This is very good.

    Except it’s false, if elections are untrustworthy.

    Or if a meteor strike kills us all, then it’s also false.  

    Or true, depending on election trustworthiness.

    Or false, depending on the size of the meteor and if it only hits Botswana.

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  18. Gazpacho Grande' Coolidge
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    Richard Easton (View Comment):

    Jon, look at this interesting evidence of massive voter fraud in 2020.

    https://electionwiz.com/2021/05/04/census-reveals-weird-anomaly-shows-millions-less-voted-in-2020-election-than-official-tally/

    Impeach.  Bar.  Remove the Census from office.

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  19. DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone Member
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    Gazpacho Grande' (View Comment):

    Richard Easton (View Comment):

    Jon, look at this interesting evidence of massive voter fraud in 2020.

    https://electionwiz.com/2021/05/04/census-reveals-weird-anomaly-shows-millions-less-voted-in-2020-election-than-official-tally/

    Impeach. Bar. Remove the Census from office.

    There’s some wonky things happening with census right now. Statistical anomalies that suggest the Democrats are fudging numbers to retain House seats in Blue states that have lost a lot of population.

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  20. DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone Member
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    As for whether our votes even count anymore, I’m pretty sure that Democrats have stolen many elections over the last couple decades. It’s just that they had to steal so big in 2020, they had a difficult time hiding it. And now we all know.

    Zuck’s interference is one of the big issues as well, and it’s nice to see Kansas has now put a stop to that. May other states follow.

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  21. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone (View Comment):

    As for whether our votes even count anymore, I’m pretty sure that Democrats have stolen many elections over the last couple decades. It’s just that they had to steal so big in 2020, they had a difficult time hiding it. And now we all know.

    Zuck’s interference is one of the big issues as well, and it’s nice to see Kansas has now put a stop to that. May other states follow.

    They will never get away with anything like that again.

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  22. DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone Member
    DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone
    @DrewInWisconsin

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone (View Comment):

    As for whether our votes even count anymore, I’m pretty sure that Democrats have stolen many elections over the last couple decades. It’s just that they had to steal so big in 2020, they had a difficult time hiding it. And now we all know.

    Zuck’s interference is one of the big issues as well, and it’s nice to see Kansas has now put a stop to that. May other states follow.

    They will never get away with anything like that again.

    I’m not so confident. What else is the march through the institutions for except as a means of protecting them from facing consequences for their actions. They can now steal brazenly because the courts have shown they’re too timid to challenge them.

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  23. EHerring Coolidge
    EHerring
    @EHerring

    Trump wouldn’t have had to tweet so much if Rs in Congress had pushed back against Dem lies.

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  24. DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone Member
    DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone
    @DrewInWisconsin

    EHerring (View Comment):

    Trump wouldn’t have had to tweet so much if Rs in Congress had pushed back against Dem lies.

    Instead many of them helped spread those lies.

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  25. Baker Inactive
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    @Baker

    DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone (View Comment):

    As for whether our votes even count anymore, I’m pretty sure that Democrats have stolen many elections over the last couple decades. It’s just that they had to steal so big in 2020, they had a difficult time hiding it. And now we all know.

    No we don’t. This is something you believe because you won’t accept any evidence to the contrary.

     

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  26. Tex929rr Coolidge
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    @Tex929rr

    Baker (View Comment):

    DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone (View Comment):

    As for whether our votes even count anymore, I’m pretty sure that Democrats have stolen many elections over the last couple decades. It’s just that they had to steal so big in 2020, they had a difficult time hiding it. And now we all know.

    No we don’t. This is something you believe because you won’t accept any evidence to the contrary.

     

    They boasted about it in a national magazine.  How hard is that to accept?  They saw it as a feature, not a bug.

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  27. DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone Member
    DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone
    @DrewInWisconsin

    Baker (View Comment):

    DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone (View Comment):

    As for whether our votes even count anymore, I’m pretty sure that Democrats have stolen many elections over the last couple decades. It’s just that they had to steal so big in 2020, they had a difficult time hiding it. And now we all know.

    No we don’t. This is something you believe because you won’t accept any evidence to the contrary.

    Hello, person who refuses to see the evidence.

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  28. DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone Member
    DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone
    @DrewInWisconsin

    Tex929rr (View Comment):
    They boasted about it in a national magazine.  How hard is that to accept?

    Anti-Trumpers are bolstered by a fervent, near-religious belief that there was nothing hinky about the 2020 Presidential election. Meanwhile, 70% of Republicans and even 30% of Democrats believe the election was stolen.

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  29. kedavis Coolidge
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    @kedavis

    DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone (View Comment):

    Gazpacho Grande’ (View Comment):

    Richard Easton (View Comment):

    Jon, look at this interesting evidence of massive voter fraud in 2020.

    https://electionwiz.com/2021/05/04/census-reveals-weird-anomaly-shows-millions-less-voted-in-2020-election-than-official-tally/

    Impeach. Bar. Remove the Census from office.

    There’s some wonky things happening with census right now. Statistical anomalies that suggest the Democrats are fudging numbers to retain House seats in Blue states that have lost a lot of population.

    Dems changing numbers to get their own way?

    Not.

    Possible.

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  30. Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Democracy) Coolidge
    Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Democracy)
    @GumbyMark

    kedavis (View Comment):

    DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone (View Comment):

    Gazpacho Grande’ (View Comment):

    Richard Easton (View Comment):

    Jon, look at this interesting evidence of massive voter fraud in 2020.

    https://electionwiz.com/2021/05/04/census-reveals-weird-anomaly-shows-millions-less-voted-in-2020-election-than-official-tally/

    Impeach. Bar. Remove the Census from office.

    There’s some wonky things happening with census right now. Statistical anomalies that suggest the Democrats are fudging numbers to retain House seats in Blue states that have lost a lot of population.

    Dems changing numbers to get their own way?

    Not.

    Possible.

    I’ve never figured out how the Democrats were so smart they were able to coordinate a sophisticated national effort involving many people to steal the presidential election but so dumb they forgot to do the same and unexpectedly almost lost the House and would have failed to take the Senate but for Trump deciding as a matter of personal revenge to hand the Georgia seats to them.

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