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Trump Is Done
Trump gets full credit for destroying himself and his Presidency. And he finally did it single-handedly. We have all put up with his rudeness, crassness, and inconsistencies, and I was willing to go along.
Until now.
Trump’s protesting the election was understandable. But once he voiced his protests, he should have just done his job and limited his comments; instead, he kept inciting his most passionate followers and everyone else within shouting distance. Yes, I think it’s entirely possible that those who crashed the Capitol were not just his fans, but those who were just waiting for an opportunity to incite violence, just like the riots we saw in several major cities. And Trump gave them the cover to attack.
I hate violence. I hate breaking the law. I hate those who threaten others. And Trump essentially encouraged all of it. Even when he told people to go home today, he had to say just one more time that he was cheated in the election. He should be ashamed.
But he doesn’t have the decency to be ashamed. He’s just angry. Which justifies his insulting his vice president who put up with his abasement of him for years with class, diligence, and allegiance. And Trump thanked him by trying to discredit him.
I can tolerate a great deal from a person when they get things done. But to a great extent, Trump brought much of the hatred towards him on himself. Those who sabotaged him were incited by his disdain for them and his nastiness.
Yes, Trump did many good things during his Presidency. But those accomplishments will be overshadowed by his lack of discipline and lack of respect for those who had tried to serve him well.
He’s done.
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I don’t remember exactly. He came across as fearless of it. When the virus first hit, Trump did so much to counter it. His fights with reporters weren’t always helpful but he turned the gears in the machinery of the government to resolve it. He did a fine job from March through July. Then he had to react to the election and he got into a derisive attitude toward the virus (as I’m afraid many people here on Rico have) and it continued to that first debate. His family showing up without masks was devastating in my opinion.
Yes, that’s true, but going into the election at the first debate I think it was still up for grabs.
Maybe if you believe the left’s portrayal of covid as some kind of extinction-level event.
Whether that is true or not is not my point. He did not address potential voters fears. And he lost their votes.
You seem to argue in left field. Whether that is true or not is not my point.
Aren’t presidents, especially, supposed to LEAD? If he tries to show some wusses that they shouldn’t be wusses, but the wusses choose to remain wusses, I don’t blame HIM for that. I blame the wusses.
Leadership, per my training on it, is a much more complicated subject than I think you understand. No one is going to follow a leader off a cliff when it’s not necessary, and even if it is very few would follow. I doubt you would follow someone to your death when the stakes are low. When the stakes are high, such as your WWII example, then people actually volunteer to be led. The circumstances and the consequences play a huge role in where people will follow. Your example is comparing apples and oranges.
Edit: And one more thing. An election is not analogous to leadership on a battlefield. An election is analogous to a sale. Trump didn’t make the sale that segment of the voters wanted.
I’m not sure how making a sale to wusses helps either the country, or the wusses.
Then it needs to be burned to the ground and rebuilt. I did notice that Purdue and Leoffler were not the sharpest tools in the shed. I do not think Trump helped much, but I could be persuaded he didn’t hurt much either. Not Impressed with the Governor or Secretary of State either, again Trump may not have helped but the consent decree with Stacy Abrams was just flat out boneheaded. I don’t accept politicians laying all the blame on Trump. Someone could make a case to me that there is some blame there, but Republicans elsewhere won with Trump on the ballot.
Because their voters make it too hot for them not to, and the national party exerts some discipline as well. Hit them where it hurts in the donations. They’ll come around. I doubt anyone of them want to die on that hill. In fact that would be a good reason to throw the Secretary of State under the bus. The classic I wasn’t aware of the scale of the problem…yada, yada, yada.
Are you saying that people’s avatar is who they really want to be? Hmm.
That’s hardly four years of abasement. And I think whatever Trump said yesterday must have been well-deserved if it had to do with him supporting a stolen election. (Frankly, I didn’t even see it.) Trump has promoted Pence frequently for four years and has never berated him. That’s a nonsensical comment in the OP.
I agree with you on much of this, except the lack of evidence of wide scale fraud. When the rejection rate of mail in ballots is historically about 1% and in this election in critical states like MI, PA, and GA it was like .01% something smells rotten in the state of Denmark. Add that to a larger than normal amount of undervotes the middle of the night flips and it stinks to high heaven. I agree though there was not enough proof to overturn the results. A lot of smoke and no visible fire. I think Trump was right to challenge the results; however, at a certain point you have to plan for an effective counter attack. I haven’t said a lot in the last two months because in the past Trump’s even bizarre political instincts have had a quirky way of working. In the end I agree with VDH he had to make the Jacksonian turn and lay the ground work for a 2024 rematch. He didn’t do that. He did a lot of bizarre things that had negative consequences. I don’t know that I go so far as saying he caused this; however, I certainly feel like he contributed to it. I consider myself a patriot, but I may reserve stronger language for what is to come, not saying that I condone this.
At least in some cases. Gary certainly fancies himself to be Reagan-esque. And we’ve got Dennis as Londo Mollari…
Yeah, they both are pretty clear in their meaning. I’ll never again be able to look at that picture of Reagan with that crooked natural smile without revulsion.
I don’t remember which Trump son said what, but a couple days ago they both were speaking out on Republicans in the House and Senate who wouldn’t vote to reject electors from certain states. The message essentially was that that Trump owns the Republican Party and those who don’t support him will be primaried. It made me think of a movie where a woman is just about to escape from her lunatic boyfriend when he catches her and tells her that she is never leaving him. Never.
Ha! I feel the same way. It’s gotten to the point where every time I see a picture of Reagan I think, “Ugh, Gary.” After seeing him describe himself as a poor country lawyer, I’ve thought he should change his avatar to the J. Noble Daggett character from the John Wayne version of True Grit.
@skipsul I’m sorry for taking so long to get to this. But since it contains inaccurate characterizations of who I am here, and what I’ve said here, I’m going to respond.
I stand by what I said above. The bottom line is that this place has not been all that difficult to navigate for at least a couple of years because the vast majority of the strident Trump supporters have moved on. Anyone following the discussions should know that, and it’s not overly relevant to go back to the bad old days when some people apparently showed some other people disrespect. And, if you think I’m in the stridently pro-Trump category, you’re barking up the wrong tree.
I’ve shown no “disdain” for anyone who chooses not to post here, and have only engaged in occasionally heated discussions with some who, like me, recognize that their comments are fair game. The fact there was apparently once an issue is no indication there is now an issue. Let’s live in the present.
Pure rattletrap. Pardon my vulgarity.
It’s possible to oppose the Left without boarding the Trump Train. In fact, it’s necessary.
A bunch of people circled the statehouse in their cars honking their horns and waving American flags. One step away from terrorism.
I agree the Trump administration did many things right. I just mean, beyond getting rid of Trump himself, that his sycophants and enablers should have no future in the party. The pols that rode his coattails need to publicly recant or join him on St. Helena.
He blared his horn at me officer! I have PTSD!
If McEnany or Huckabee Sanders has no future role in the party, I’d have a problem with that.
His whole demeanor in the first debate may have sunk him. It was a bad show. (I only read the reviews. I haven’t watched a debate in many years. But his performance was panned across the board.)
I don’t think he was at his best, but I’d also be very reluctant to take the media’s word for it. Chris Wallace put on a ridiculous performance as well, acting as sort of a second Biden.
Oh, it’s still very much an issue. As I found on another thread just a few moments ago.
Especially if they weren’t wearing masks!
My bad. This is what I said, an exaggeration and distortion:
Which justifies his insulting his vice president who put up with his abasement of him for years with class, diligence, and allegiance.
I should have just said “. . . which justifies his insulting his vice president who tolerated his abhorrent behavior with class, diligence and allegiance.” As far as I know, he only insulted him this one time.
The media’s take especially was like when people who heard the debate thought Nixon won, but those who watched on TV thought Kennedy won. It’s about people who think appearance is more important than substance.