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Trump Is Done
Trump gets full credit for destroying himself and his Presidency. And he finally did it single-handedly. We have all put up with his rudeness, crassness, and inconsistencies, and I was willing to go along.
Until now.
Trump’s protesting the election was understandable. But once he voiced his protests, he should have just done his job and limited his comments; instead, he kept inciting his most passionate followers and everyone else within shouting distance. Yes, I think it’s entirely possible that those who crashed the Capitol were not just his fans, but those who were just waiting for an opportunity to incite violence, just like the riots we saw in several major cities. And Trump gave them the cover to attack.
I hate violence. I hate breaking the law. I hate those who threaten others. And Trump essentially encouraged all of it. Even when he told people to go home today, he had to say just one more time that he was cheated in the election. He should be ashamed.
But he doesn’t have the decency to be ashamed. He’s just angry. Which justifies his insulting his vice president who put up with his abasement of him for years with class, diligence, and allegiance. And Trump thanked him by trying to discredit him.
I can tolerate a great deal from a person when they get things done. But to a great extent, Trump brought much of the hatred towards him on himself. Those who sabotaged him were incited by his disdain for them and his nastiness.
Yes, Trump did many good things during his Presidency. But those accomplishments will be overshadowed by his lack of discipline and lack of respect for those who had tried to serve him well.
He’s done.
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Thanks for your kind remark, @cdor. Actually I’m quite at peace, because I’ve spoken my mind. To @hoyacon, you are sounding a bit like a Trumper–those people who think that we shouldn’t criticize Trump’s behavior. I put up with his nastiness for a long time because I knew he was doing good things, some very good things. But there comes a time when enough is enough. And he crossed the line in the last couple of months.
Indeed. Thanks, @skipsul.
No Trump’s fault was that he nursed his wounded ego and kept working at miraculous magical solutions that were not likely to be effective. He was right to fight the fraud; however, there comes a time when It worked and you have to figure out how you are going to recover and go into the next round. Trump kept fighting the last war, instead of working to figure out how to win the next one. Embracing the magical thinking took the Trump supporters to the same place that the democrats went in 2017 the vain hope of a deus ex machina that would deliver them.
It is time to start thinking about the next round. I hope you join in that. This hurt isn’t going to go away. It isn’t going to be solved magically. Biden and Harris will be sworn in, that was pretty much assured once the electors were certified. It isn’t just but it is reality. The system is too divided for any other result.
No, I believe the MSM and Democrat party had more to do with it than Trump himself.
That is not a fair response, Vince. No one spoke about shoving it off and you know it. There are matters of degree, dontcha know, and protests early on were fine. And then the hysteria made the arguments about fraud appear crazy rather than credible. As I’ve said a few times, all the protesting got people nowhere. Nothing changed. I will scream at Republicans when this is finally over if they don’t make sure a full and complete investigation of the election is conducted. I will never forgive them for not defending our election process.
I agree. Black protestors are gassed and beaten senseless while white terrorists get to vandalize the Senate and House while planting bombs around DC.
Since Trump took office I have been told repeatedly by several members that any criticism of Trump was some variety of:
During my time as a moderator I saw this directed consistently at other members too, to the point where many simply left or stopped engaging in posts at all. As another currently active moderator noted yesterday – it’s telling that the most active part of the site is the recurrent PIT because it’s the one place where purity tests about Trump or any other issue are moot.
Why do you show such disdain for people for refusing to speak up and get drawn into pointless gang attacks by other members? Why do you show such disdain for people who stopped speaking up after getting threatening PMs from other members?
Thanks, She. This about sums it up in my mind. Yes, he may very well be seen as the tragic hero. But not yet.
Only if he has neurosyphilis or some other serious neurodegenerative disease. It’s possible.
Do you admit that the left was right about Trump all along?
I think I see your point, EHerring. All of those entities are complicit for creating these circumstances. But that doesn’t let Trump off the hook. I have often condemned all of them. And when you say “the people” let those entities fester, I wonder what the people would have done to stop them? But that’s another post.
No because until the post-election break with reality, Trump was largely toothless – bluster and ego, but unwilling to act himself even as he egged on others to act for him, or mocked them if they did act for him but failed. He had many many other ample opportunities live down to your expectations, but did not do so.
No. Just that he was a flawed human being that let his flaws get the better of him. He was still a far better president than Hilary Clinton would have been and he would have been a better president that Biden will be. If he had played his cards right in the last two months he would have been a front runner for 2024. As it is I doubt that happens now.
I’ve never doubted his patriotism. But the real question is, how long are we willing to forgive him because he loves his country?
Hillary Clinton would have handled Covid better than Trump and she would not have attempted a coup on the day that Nikki Haley was officially designated the next president.
That alone would have made her a better president than Trump.
And yet in the end, he went lower than I imagined he would ever go.
Very insightful, Raxxalan. Thanks.
Not in the final analysis. The last two months are on him, I believe.
Bit of an overstatement there? It’s not like he’s tried to stage a military coup and send all his opponents to FEMA camps – a common fever dream on your side.
I doubt she would have handled Covid better than Trump. The CDC would have covered up the botched rounds of testing and the FDA would still be trying to perform a rectal cranium inversion instead of having 2 approved vaccines. The country would have locked down forever and we would be in the midst of a Great Depression instead of a v shaped recovery.
I am sure she would have used the IRS and the FBI to hound her political opponents would have isolated Israel and empowered Iran and enriched herself with corrupt dealings with China. The economy would have tanked and we would have gotten 3 radical leftist Supreme Court justices who would have eviscerated the Constitution and paved the way for a civil war.
I don’t recall ever hearing about the FEMA camps. He did try to stage a much stupider coup yesterday that doesn’t rise the level of sophistication of a military coup, but why should he get credit for being stupid? His intent was clear, just as it was clear when his campaign met with Russian agents in Trump Tower.
Susan, I remember a while back you had a post called “Trump Broke Ricochet,” or something like that. This was during the 2016 campaign. You were completely right.
Another institution that Trump has ruined.
I cannot call it a coup attempt, but I won’t argue the stupidity of it.
Skip, you are so right on here. For the most part I stopped coming to Ricochet on a regular basis, partly because I’ve been busy, but mostly because it’s not worth trying to have any conversation with people who are determined to see “disloyalty” to Trump as a mortal sin.
Cruz needs to harness the Trump supporters if he is going to win. This is how politics works.
We aren’t dead yet. Your post is going through from what I’ve observed.
Couldn’t disagree more. He “incited his followers?” Yes. He’s the President of an administration that had the intelligence services, the DOJ and sitting members of Congress weaponized against his lawful administration. I would be disappointed if he didn’t go down swinging against the way this election was conducted. I have never seen or heard him say anything in the slightest to encourage anyone to destroy federal property. He sent in the National Guard to stop the violence. I suspect that the violence was perpetrated by Antifa infiltrators.
I’ll believe that there was no involvement by Antiffa and BLM when I hear CNN report the disturbances at the Capitol as “mostly peaceful.”
And he should be ashamed for saying once again that all of us were cheated? I seem to recall Galileo saying, “But it does move.” Galileo should be ashamed?
I am so proud of our President.
Bravo. Most apt comment on the topic yet.
I really do appreciate the vast differences that are expressed on this post, and that they are being made (mostly) respectfully. Truly. And the complexity of the ideas shared is helping me examine my own views as well as those who disagree with me. These are the kinds of discussions we need to have. These are the ways, with the wealth of ideas, that will move us forward in hopefully creative and productive ways.