Trump Is Done

 

Trump gets full credit for destroying himself and his Presidency. And he finally did it single-handedly. We have all put up with his rudeness, crassness, and inconsistencies, and I was willing to go along.

Until now.

Trump’s protesting the election was understandable. But once he voiced his protests, he should have just done his job and limited his comments; instead, he kept inciting his most passionate followers and everyone else within shouting distance. Yes, I think it’s entirely possible that those who crashed the Capitol were not just his fans, but those who were just waiting for an opportunity to incite violence, just like the riots we saw in several major cities. And Trump gave them the cover to attack.

I hate violence. I hate breaking the law. I hate those who threaten others. And Trump essentially encouraged all of it. Even when he told people to go home today, he had to say just one more time that he was cheated in the election. He should be ashamed.

But he doesn’t have the decency to be ashamed. He’s just angry. Which justifies his insulting his vice president who put up with his abasement of him for years with class, diligence, and allegiance. And Trump thanked him by trying to discredit him.

I can tolerate a great deal from a person when they get things done. But to a great extent, Trump brought much of the hatred towards him on himself. Those who sabotaged him were incited by his disdain for them and his nastiness.

Yes, Trump did many good things during his Presidency. But those accomplishments will be overshadowed by his lack of discipline and lack of respect for those who had tried to serve him well.

He’s done.

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  1. Flicker Coolidge
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    I was just thinking–I do that now and then–that maybe the last couple of nights just overwhelmed Trump. He had finally just had enough. And that was possibly the reason he was so extreme and obsessed.

    I wouldn’t choose the words extreme and obsessed, and I’m not sure that it is he who has just had enough.  But I was just thinking before looking at this comment that there has been some reporting, apropos of the 25th amendment scheme, that Trump is largely alone, and showing evidence of great stress. And this is not because of his personality or character, and not so much because of who he is, but because of what he represents and what he wants to do, all summed up in the slogan and the resultant policies of America First and Make America Great Again.  He is encircling himself in his last remaining confidants, facing not only the threat to his own personal safety and that of his family, but facing the greatest existential threat to the United States perhaps that has ever occurred, a threat from both within and without. He has faced resistance, obstruction, spying, slander and a corrupt Law Enforcement, Legislature, Judiciary and Press for going on five years, and this is the moment of greatest crisis.

    From the beginning of the Trump affair (no pun intended) the battle has been between the CIA and Mike Flynn and his supporters; Flynn wanted to restructure and reform the CIA, and, as we see now the CIA (which formed the illegal “deep state” back-up government in the late 1940s) has been pursuing essentially the same goals as the Globalists and their Great Reset, and now we see China and its desire for world dominance.  Why the CIA would join with China, I don’t know, but it seems to have its origins in Henry Kissinger and Nixon’s opening the diplomatic door with China (and of course the shipping of US technology and manufacturing to China — for reasons that seem other than economic).  But even as early as the 1970s, the thinking was that there was a One World Government Order guiding things to build up the world’s third-world countries at the expense of developed nations such as the United States and Europe.

    Trump has found himself, deliberately or inadvertently, standing athwart the Global Progress to whatever world a One World Government means.  And perhaps like George Washington on his knees in the snow, alone, praying for victory when it was not certain, it is understandable, and significant and warranted that Trump should find himself alone in his office, wondering and worried over his affairs and what course of action to pursue, his staggering choices.  This is not a sign of surrender or weakness or mental instability, but a reflection of the real world today, and the terrible threats it faces, and someone who wants to do what is right in this crisis.

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  2. No Caesar Thatcher
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    On the practical side, I realize a lot of us are upset and angry.  We will feel better and be more likely to improve things if we direct that animus against the Dems:  

    • Looting, trespass, and political violence cannot be tolerated by anyone, 
    • this is the natural result of 7 months of ignoring and condoning BLM/Antifa violence, lawlessness and destruction.
    • Biden and Harris have spent the last 2 days making things worse.
    • We need to have elections whose results are trusted by the populace.  Therefore every state should use Florida as a Best-Practices guide to reform their own.
    • Suppression of opinion is un-American, we are better than that.
    • China is our foe.

     

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  3. Raxxalan Member
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    No Caesar (View Comment):

    On the practical side, I realize a lot of us are upset and angry. We will feel better and be more likely to improve things if we direct that animus against the Dems:

    • Looting, trespass, and political violence cannot be tolerated by anyone,
    • this is the natural result of 7 months of ignoring and condoning BLM/Antifa violence, lawlessness and destruction.
    • Biden and Harris have spent the last 2 days making things worse.
    • We need to have elections whose results are trusted by the populace. Therefore every state should use Florida as a Best-Practices guide to reform their own.
    • Suppression of opinion is un-American, we are better than that.
    • China is our foe.

     

    All true and very helpful.

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  4. Hoyacon Member
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    No Caesar (View Comment):

    On the practical side, I realize a lot of us are upset and angry. We will feel better and be more likely to improve things if we direct that animus against the Dems:

    • Looting, trespass, and political violence cannot be tolerated by anyone,
    • this is the natural result of 7 months of ignoring and condoning BLM/Antifa violence, lawlessness and destruction.
    • Biden and Harris have spent the last 2 days making things worse.
    • We need to have elections whose results are trusted by the populace. Therefore every state should use Florida as a Best-Practices guide to reform their own.
    • Suppression of opinion is un-American, we are better than that.
    • China is our foe.

    Post more, please.

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  5. EHerring Coolidge
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):
    Well said. The only difference with my experience was that I did reluctantly vote for him in 2016 after an evaluation of alternatives. I still feel I made the right decision. In a short amount of time I grew to appreciate Trump and have supported him since. Until the last two months. You’re right it was a surprise he even came close but he did. There has never been solid evidence of wide scale fraud. That has been delusion and fake news. He was fortunate to have come close. With the events of the other night, it’s time to give up the ghost on supporting him further.

    I was just thinking–I do that now and then–that maybe the last couple of months just overwhelmed Trump. He had finally just had enough. And that was possibly the reason he was so extreme and obsessed.

    I agree. He did one to five rallies every day. Post covid, normal people would be dragging for weeks. He persisted. Biden sat on his ass, did nothing to win, had few followers. Did you notice the Dems knew that would be enough? They knew the fix was in. Trump knows. He was mocked. His followers were mocked. Now they falsely paint him as a coupster who would not have left office peacefully. He would have. He just wouldn’t have sold out his manliness as cowardly Republicans in Congress and his administration have done, as they protect their bona fides that make them worthy of the DC social life.

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  6. EHerring Coolidge
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    Raxxalan (View Comment):

    No Caesar (View Comment):

    On the practical side, I realize a lot of us are upset and angry. We will feel better and be more likely to improve things if we direct that animus against the Dems:

    • Looting, trespass, and political violence cannot be tolerated by anyone,
    • this is the natural result of 7 months of ignoring and condoning BLM/Antifa violence, lawlessness and destruction.
    • Biden and Harris have spent the last 2 days making things worse.
    • We need to have elections whose results are trusted by the populace. Therefore every state should use Florida as a Best-Practices guide to reform their own.
    • Suppression of opinion is un-American, we are better than that.
    • China is our foe.

     

    All true and very helpful.

    Agree. They need to be called out for their role in mainstreaming rioting.

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  7. Flicker Coolidge
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    No Caesar (View Comment):

    On the practical side, I realize a lot of us are upset and angry. We will feel better and be more likely to improve things if we direct that animus against the Dems:

    • Looting, trespass, and political violence cannot be tolerated by anyone,
    • this is the natural result of 7 months of ignoring and condoning BLM/Antifa violence, lawlessness and destruction.
    • Biden and Harris have spent the last 2 days making things worse.
    • We need to have elections whose results are trusted by the populace. Therefore every state should use Florida as a Best-Practices guide to reform their own.
    • Suppression of opinion is un-American, we are better than that.
    • China is our foe.

    I agree with this, but I really think the CIA is our foe, perhaps more than China.

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  8. The Reticulator Member
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    No Caesar (View Comment):

    On the practical side, I realize a lot of us are upset and angry. We will feel better and be more likely to improve things if we direct that animus against the Dems:

    • Looting, trespass, and political violence cannot be tolerated by anyone,
    • this is the natural result of 7 months of ignoring and condoning BLM/Antifa violence, lawlessness and destruction.
    • Biden and Harris have spent the last 2 days making things worse.
    • We need to have elections whose results are trusted by the populace. Therefore every state should use Florida as a Best-Practices guide to reform their own.
    • Suppression of opinion is un-American, we are better than that.
    • China is our foe.

    Good points, all, especially with Biden giving rabble-rousing speeches that are designed to incite pogroms (real as well as e-pogroms) against Trump supporters.

    On that last point we need to be very careful not to make it an ethnic conflict.  Trump and his supporters (of which I am one) sometimes are not careful enough about that, or so it seems to me, e.g. when they want to label the flu as a Chinese flu, even when that label adds nothing to the conversation.  Trump’s opponents will go out of their way to portray it as promoting ethnic conflict. (Never mind what Harvard does to promote ethnic conflict with its admissions policies.)

    I notice, by the way, that when discussing variants of the sars-cov-2 virus, some of the same people who object to terms like Wuhan flu do not mind referring to the UK and South African variants of sars-cov-2.  I think there are also numeric designations for those variants, but at the moment it probably doesn’t hurt to be aware of the geographical direction they are coming from. Later on that might become irrelevant, just as the China origin of sars-cov-2 is now irrelevant.

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  9. kedavis Coolidge
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    Eugene Kriegsmann (View Comment):

    I haven’t read all of the posts here, but I don’t have to. There is a contingent who will support Trump no matter what he says or does. That has remained unchanged through the last four years. Then there are those of us who were, shall I say, Trump skeptics. I didn’t vote for him in 2016, but over the last four years I felt good enough about the things his administration accomplished (I say that advisedly, Trump himself did little, those he appointed and Mitch McConnell did the most), and I did vote for him in 2020. Like most, I was disappointed at his loss, but I did not believe for a minute that he had a “landslide victory” stolen from him. The poll, such as they are, at no time pointed to a decisive victory for him. He was never favored to win. At best, we thought that, maybe, he could pull through with a slider. Alas, that didn’t happen, and the consequences are something that looks like the final scenes of King Lear, but rather than a short hour or so, they have dragged on for two months. He has gone off the edge. He is no longer fit to hold the office. He has no dignity, no integrity, and, at this point, very likely far less support than he had during the election in November. Of the 74 Million people who voted for him, I truly wonder how many would do so today. I know I sure wouldn’t.

    I detest Biden, and have even more contempt for Harris, but both of them have far more understanding of the workings of government and the responsibilities of leadership than Trump has. They have made stupid comments, but nothing to compare to the rabble rousing that Trump has participated in for the last two months, all of which precipitated what happened yesterday. I am fully in agreement with those who want Trump removed from office NOW, not 14 days from now. His cabinet members and advisors are resigning. He is in deep decline and, given his past performance, it is uncertain what he might do. He isn’t acting like a sane individual. He needs to be gone. The sooner the better!

    All that’s left is holding the White House door open for entry of a man who hasn’t acted sane in years, if not decades.

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  10. No Caesar Thatcher
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    Viruscop (View Comment):

    J Climacus (View Comment):

    Viruscop (View Comment):

    J Climacus (View Comment):

    Viruscop (View Comment):

    Raxxalan (View Comment):

    Viruscop (View Comment):

    Do you admit that the left was right about Trump all along?

    That alone would have made her a better president than Trump.

    Handle Covid better? The one consistent thing about Hillary is that everything she has ever touched has turned to – well – let’s call it crap. Ideology aside, she’s simply grossly incompetent. I’ve always been amazed why the left was so determined to hitch its wagon to such a mediocrity.

    Let’s consider it from the perspective of a generic leftist. Early on last winter, when Trump was restricting travel from China, the left reflexively denounced the policy as “xenophobic” and well into March were forcing COVID positive patients into nursing homes, again for purely ideological reasons (“discrimination”). The latter policy is responsible for most of the COVID deaths so far. It’s fair to assume that Hillary would have attempted to follow the early leftist ideological response to COVID, but on a national scale. I see no reason to think the COVID outcome would have been far worse with Hillary.

    Hillary would not have played down the virus like Trump did. Richard Epstein’s musings upon the virus would also not have been circulating within the White House, so I think that would have saved tens of thousands of lives.

    Well, that’s our problem. We have actual hard data that forcing COVID positive patients into nursing homes caused thousands of lives. There’s just no doubt about it. By Trump playing down the virus, I assume you mean he didn’t go full on for the lockdowns once guys like Andrew Cuomo – after killing thousands in the nursing homes – decided to swing violently to the other extreme and shut everything down. The effects of those lockdowns is controversial, and there is no clear evidence how effective they were. Maybe they helped, maybe they didn’t. We can argue about that.

    That’s the problem with our whole response to COVID. So much is driven by ideology. The left must blame Trump for everything and exhonerate leftist politicians even when they do provably dumb and dangerous things. Trump cannot be allowed to ever have done anything right. Just about everyone does some things right and others wrong – that’s true even of leftist politicians. Trump is somehow always wrong about everything, and the left is always right about everything. So Hillary must have been able to do a better job than Trump, because by definition what she does is right and what Trump does is wrong.

    I’m so tired of this.

    Oh no, don’t get me wrong. I doubt that Hillary would have done a travel ban, but I also don’t think Hillary would have allowed the situation to degenerate to this point.

    Nothing in Hillary’s past demonstrates the capacity for good judgement.  The list of her monumental bad judgments is long and bloody.   Her penchant for corruption is in plain sight and of a monumental scale.  We have all seen the evidence that she, Obama, and (probably) Biden engaged in a seditious attempt to kneecap the duly elected incoming administration.   She is one of the most dangerous public officials of this country in the last 40 years.   These are facts, not opinions.  Not conjecture.

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  11. EHerring Coolidge
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    EHerring (View Comment):

    Over the next few months, Democrats will remind you of why Trump was the better choice.

    We only had to wait 24 hours.

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  12. No Caesar Thatcher
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    No Caesar (View Comment):

    On the practical side, I realize a lot of us are upset and angry. We will feel better and be more likely to improve things if we direct that animus against the Dems:

    • Looting, trespass, and political violence cannot be tolerated by anyone,
    • this is the natural result of 7 months of ignoring and condoning BLM/Antifa violence, lawlessness and destruction.
    • Biden and Harris have spent the last 2 days making things worse.
    • We need to have elections whose results are trusted by the populace. Therefore every state should use Florida as a Best-Practices guide to reform their own.
    • Suppression of opinion is un-American, we are better than that.
    • China is our foe.

    Good points, all, especially with Biden giving rabble-rousing speeches that are designed to incite pogroms (real as well as e-pogroms) against Trump supporters.

    On that last point we need to be very careful not to make it an ethnic conflict. Trump and his supporters (of which I am one) sometimes are not careful enough about that, or so it seems to me, e.g. when they want to label the flu as a Chinese flu, even when that label adds nothing to the conversation. Trump’s opponents will go out of their way to portray it as promoting ethnic conflict. (Never mind what Harvard does to promote ethnic conflict with its admissions policies.)

    I notice, by the way, that when discussing variants of the sars-cov-2 virus, some of the same people who object to terms like Wuhan flu do not mind referring to the UK and South African variants of sars-cov-2. I think there are also numeric designations for those variants, but at the moment it probably doesn’t hurt to be aware of the geographical direction they are coming from. Later on that might become irrelevant, just as the China origin of sars-cov-2 is now irrelevant.

    Thanks.  To clarify: The Chinese Communist Party is our foe.  

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  13. kedavis Coolidge
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    No Caesar (View Comment):
    Nothing in Hillary’s past demonstrates the capacity for good judgement.

    That’s for sure!  She married Bill!

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  14. Percival Thatcher
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    No Caesar (View Comment):
    Nothing in Hillary’s past demonstrates the capacity for good judgement.

    She was really good with cattle futures that one time.

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  15. Mim526 Inactive
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    EHerring (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    EHerring (View Comment):
    This time, the failure was as much because of the tragic flaws manifested today in our country: a press that is the propaganda arm of the Democrats, a sorry election system that enables fraud and doubt, big tech, corporations that want open borders, an out of control administrative state, corrupt politicians, greedy voters who want the government to be Santa, a secular society, and a cultural war long lost. It might be cute blaming Trump, but all those problems are not new. The people allowed them to fester.

    I think I see your point, EHerring. All of those entities are complicit for creating these circumstances. But that doesn’t let Trump off the hook. I have often condemned all of them. And when you say “the people” let those entities fester, I wonder what the people would have done to stop them? But that’s another post.

    The Republicans in a Congress are showing you how much turning the other cheek and accepting problems so as to avoid conflict will fix things. We are damned if we do and damned if we don’t. The Constitution’s expiration date is approaching. We have yet to see Marxism create a polite society.

    Reminds me of a recent tweet.  I will be pleasantly surprised at any real courage under fire from the GOP going forward; with a few exceptions, they’ve not displayed much fortitude or ability to accomplish looking back (e.g., failed health care plan even with House majority).

    https://mobile.twitter.com/bhweingarten/status/1347227794485497856

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  16. kedavis Coolidge
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    Mim526 (View Comment):

    EHerring (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    EHerring (View Comment):
    This time, the failure was as much because of the tragic flaws manifested today in our country: a press that is the propaganda arm of the Democrats, a sorry election system that enables fraud and doubt, big tech, corporations that want open borders, an out of control administrative state, corrupt politicians, greedy voters who want the government to be Santa, a secular society, and a cultural war long lost. It might be cute blaming Trump, but all those problems are not new. The people allowed them to fester.

    I think I see your point, EHerring. All of those entities are complicit for creating these circumstances. But that doesn’t let Trump off the hook. I have often condemned all of them. And when you say “the people” let those entities fester, I wonder what the people would have done to stop them? But that’s another post.

    The Republicans in a Congress are showing you how much turning the other cheek and accepting problems so as to avoid conflict will fix things. We are damned if we do and damned if we don’t. The Constitution’s expiration date is approaching. We have yet to see Marxism create a polite society.

    Reminds me of a recent tweet. I will be pleasantly surprised at any real courage under fire from the GOP going forward; with a few exceptions, they’ve not displayed much fortitude or ability to accomplish looking back (e.g., failed health care plan even with House majority).

    https://mobile.twitter.com/bhweingarten/status/1347227794485497856

    Didn’t it pass the House, and was ultimately defeated by the bitter-clinger-to-Trump-hatred McCain?

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  17. CRD Member
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    Suspira (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):

    There is no reason to remove Trump from office with two weeks left of a lame duck presidency. It would just be vengeance and harmful to the Republic. If Trump being done refers to that, I don’t concur with that.

    See my comment #131

    I meant two things: for me, my support was gone. And I think he will have a tough time coming back into the political realm, if he should try to.

    I can only hope that this debacle has ruined his chance to run in 2024 (please, God!) and, maybe more important, has scotched his chance to be a kingmaker in the GOP, which he decidedly was headed toward.

    Frankly, the GOP must detrumpify, much as post-war Germany had to denazify. I don’t call for a scorched-earth policy. After all, the Allies let some former Nazis continue to be involved in government and business in order for society to function. Similarly, I can see forgiving folks like Ted Cruz if they convince me they see the error of their ways. Or even simply lie low and behave.

    I really regret sounding harsh. I’d like to think we could all move on from this ugly moment in history and fight* on the same side. But I’m not so sure we can do it.

    *I mean this metaphorically. Sadly, that can’t go without saying today.

    Fortunately for you, I think the process of detrumpify will move very quickly. Twitter banned President Trump, Michael Flynn, Sydney Powell; SS publisher cancels Senator Hawley’s book; Facebook removes #WalkAway campaign; Google suspends “Parler”. Thank you for not calling for a scorched-earth policy, but I’m not sure that you will be in control of the type of policy being executed.

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  18. Percival Thatcher
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    CRD (View Comment):
    Google suspends “Parler”.

    Lots of luck with that, for it is written “The internet treats censorship as damage and routes around it.”

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  19. Weeping Inactive
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    CRD (View Comment):

    Suspira (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):

    There is no reason to remove Trump from office with two weeks left of a lame duck presidency. It would just be vengeance and harmful to the Republic. If Trump being done refers to that, I don’t concur with that.

    See my comment #131

    I meant two things: for me, my support was gone. And I think he will have a tough time coming back into the political realm, if he should try to.

    I can only hope that this debacle has ruined his chance to run in 2024 (please, God!) and, maybe more important, has scotched his chance to be a kingmaker in the GOP, which he decidedly was headed toward.

    Frankly, the GOP must detrumpify, much as post-war Germany had to denazify. I don’t call for a scorched-earth policy. After all, the Allies let some former Nazis continue to be involved in government and business in order for society to function. Similarly, I can see forgiving folks like Ted Cruz if they convince me they see the error of their ways. Or even simply lie low and behave.

    I really regret sounding harsh. I’d like to think we could all move on from this ugly moment in history and fight* on the same side. But I’m not so sure we can do it.

    *I mean this metaphorically. Sadly, that can’t go without saying today.

    Fortunately for you, I think the process of detrumpify will move very quickly. Twitter banned President Trump, Michael Flynn, Sydney Powell; SS publisher cancels Senator Hawley’s book; Facebook removes #WalkAway campaign; Google suspends “Parler”. Thank you for not calling for a scorched-earth policy, but I’m not sure that you will be in control of the type of policy being executed.

    And that should scare everyone.

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