Filling the SCOTUS Seat Isn’t an Option, It’s an Obligation

 

With Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s death and a newly vacant Supreme Court seat, the political madness of 2020 got even madder. But this moment is precisely why so many Republicans voted for Donald Trump despite their misgivings. A conservative majority on SCOTUS has been a signature goal of the party base going back to Ronald Reagan’s presidency. Now, 40 years later, the opportunity is finally here.

To quote Margaret Thatcher, this is no time to go wobbly. As expected, many are.

The center-right’s appetite for catering to the Democrat base instead of their own is insatiable. In reaction, GOP voters launched the Tea Party movement. When that fizzled, they elected Trump. Many Republicans still haven’t learned this lesson and want to surrender before any battle begins.

At The Bulwark, Jonathan V. Last oddly casts this moment as a “political crisis,” which it most certainly is not. Justice Ginsburg’s passing is a sad event, as is anyone’s death, but it was as inevitable as every other Supreme Court vacancy. We’ve been through this more than 100 times before.

Yet Last believes RBG’s mortality is an unexpected “black swan” event. His solution is to toss aside the simple Constitutional process and replace it with a complex backroom deal:

There are only a handful of ways out of this trap and all of them require the prudential coordination of elites. Which is … not something we have seen a great deal of in the last, say, generation of American life.

Nearly zero voters, left or right, want to be governed by the “prudential coordination of elites.” In fact, the Constitution doesn’t mention “prudential,” “coordination,” or “elites.” It does state that the President is obligated to nominate a jurist and the Senate to provide advice and consent.

Why invent some novel aristocratic contraption when our foundational document provides a simple path forward? These are the rules every elected official — left, right, and center — agreed to uphold since our founding.

One expects knocking knees at The Bulwark, but the demand for some extraconstitutional haggling is spreading.

Jonah Goldberg and David French, two conservatives for whom I have great respect, recommend a different type of deal with Senate Democrats. I’ll let French explain:

First, Trump makes his pick.

Second, the Senate applies the Schumer principle and gives the nominee a hearing. This will have the benefit of giving the American people a more-complete picture of the qualifications and philosophy of the nominee and thus the stakes of the presidential election.

Third, the Senate then applies the Graham/Rubio/Cruz rule and does not vote before the election. If Trump wins, they then vote on the nominee.

But what if Trump loses? What principle comes into play? Joe Biden’s own words provide the guide.

In the October 2019 Democratic debate, Joe Biden clearly expressed his opposition to court-packing. “I’m not prepared to go on and try to pack the court,” he said, “because we’ll live to rue that day.” He continued, “We add three justices. Next time around, we lose control, they add three justices. We begin to lose any credibility the court has at all.”

Goldberg, offering similar advice, adds some context in his LA Times column:

Even before Justice Ginsburg’s demise, Democratic support was building not just for packing the Supreme Court by increasing the number of justices (which Ginsburg opposed), but also for D.C. and Puerto Rican statehood and abolition of the legislative filibuster. Now Democrats are all but vowing to go through with expanding the court in response to a rushed replacement for Ginsburg.

What will be the GOP’s argument against such schemes?

…Moreover, merely on the level of realpolitik, abandoning all considerations other than what you can get away with amounts to preemptive disarmament for the wars to come. The pernicious logic of apocalyptic politics works on the assumption that the long term doesn’t matter. But the long term always becomes now eventually.

Making a too-clever-by-half deal instead of simply following the Constitution is also a type of “preemptive disarmament for the wars to come.” The GOP has the White House and the Senate, while the Democrats have nothing. If the Packers are leading 42-3, they don’t give two touchdowns to the Vikings if they promise to be nice to them in the next game.

Any deal is especially suspect given the Senate Democrats’ abysmal track record on upholding the slightest of norms. A party willing to portray the dullest nominee in SCOTUS history as a high-school drug lord and gang-rapist has no interest in comity or fair play.

French and Goldberg’s deal is better than Last’s but still attempts to solve a problem that doesn’t exist. Trump and McConnell hold all the cards; the left has only screaming.

Democrats high and low have already promised to pack the court, create new states, and abolish the electoral college. They have allowed their constituents to create mayhem, attack citizens, destroy businesses, and burn buildings in their cities for three and a half months. This is who they were before RBG died and they will only radicalize further as we move toward the election.

The Republican base has set everything in place for a conservative Supreme Court. It is the party’s obligation to deliver it to them.

Forget “prudential coordination of elites,” it’s time at last for “We the People.”

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  1. DrewInWisconsin, Man of Constant Sorrow Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Constant Sorrow
    @DrewInWisconsin

    Heh:

    For those keeping track, here’s a list of Democratic Party “norms” for placing new justices on the Supreme Court of the United States, as they stand today:

    Norm #1: When Democrats are in charge of both the Senate and the White House, they are free to nominate and confirm any justice they please, as quickly as they please, as they did in the cases of Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor, and Elena Kagan.

    Norm #2: When Democrats only run the White House, they are free to nominate any SCOTUS justice they please, and they also get to dictate whom Republicans are allowed to confirm, as they tried to do in the case of Merrick Garland — blessed be his memory.

    Norm #3: When Democrats run neither the nomination process nor the confirmation process, they get to dictate who is confirmed to the Court, as they argue today in the case of Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s replacement.

    Norm #4: If Republicans fail to adhere to all these rules, Democrats have license to burn everything down to the ground. (And, of course, I only mean that 90 percent metaphorically.)

    • #91
  2. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Please re-read what I said. I said that it was likely that “Arizona” will vote for a Democrat for only the second time since 1952.

    Okay, so you’re still a solid Biden voter, right? No going wobbly!

    Not unless Trump leaves the ticket.  I would vote for Pence or any other Republican in 2020.

    • #92
  3. DrewInWisconsin, Man of Constant Sorrow Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Constant Sorrow
    @DrewInWisconsin

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Please re-read what I said. I said that it was likely that “Arizona” will vote for a Democrat for only the second time since 1952.

    Okay, so you’re still a solid Biden voter, right? No going wobbly!

    Not unless Trump leaves the ticket. I would vote for Pence or any other Republican in 2020.

    You probably think of this as “principled.”

    • #93
  4. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Percival (View Comment):

    Oh, now … see there? Just when you figure you have someone pegged …

    I take everything bad I’ve ever said about Romney. Wait, that would be intemperate. I’ll take back one bad thing, but in the spirit of promoting amity I’ll let him pick which one.

    Not so fast.  That just says he’s willing to vote.  I don’t see anything about HOW he’ll vote.

    • #94
  5. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Jon1979 (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Zed11 (View Comment):

    After Kavanaugh debacle, am not especially concerned about anything the Democrats are whining about. Same goes for Goldberg, French, Don Lemon, Michael Moore, Bill Maher, or any NeverTrump Archie Bunker.

    By lumping in Jonah Goldberg, David French, Richard Epstein and me with Don Lemon, Michael Moore and Bill Maher, you are coming close to Godwin’s Law.

    That is below you, and it stops as opposed to expands conversations.

    I guess you missed the question I posed on the first page of the comments, so I’ll ask it again — Gary, do you believe Chuck Schumer (and Nancy Pelosi) will more honorable in keeping their word to Donald Trump and Mitch McConnell is 2020 than George Mitchell (and Tom Foley) were in 1990 to George H.W. Bush and Bob Dole, when they convinced Bush to go back on his “No new taxes” pledge in exchange for Democrats’ promise to cut the federal budget, which Mitchell never followed through on?

    I believe that Joe Biden would keep his word.

    Under the David French proposal, there would be hearings in the Senate Judiciary Committee, but the vote would not occur before the election. Biden would promise that if he won, and the Republicans would not vote on the nomination, then Biden would veto any effort to expand the Supreme Court.

    If Biden made that promise I would believe him.

    And then after the election, when Harris replaces Biden, Biden’s promise is irrelevant.

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  6. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Percival (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Richard O’Shea (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    Oh, now … see there? Just when you figure you have someone pegged …

    I take everything bad I’ve ever said about Romney. Wait, that would be intemperate. I’ll take back one bad thing, but in the spirit of promoting amity I’ll let him pick which one.

    With Romney on board, this will happen. I would have bet the other way. This should also serve to shore up any other wobbly Senators.

    Despite my best efforts, the Senate Republicans are moving forward. I believe that this will be a pyrrhic victory.

    A pyrrhic victory? Why? Because we will lose the full-throated support of Jeff Flake going forward?

    And the support of Gary Robbins, too!  Oh the pain, the pain…

    • #96
  7. Percival Thatcher
    Percival
    @Percival

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    Oh, now … see there? Just when you figure you have someone pegged …

    I take everything bad I’ve ever said about Romney. Wait, that would be intemperate. I’ll take back one bad thing, but in the spirit of promoting amity I’ll let him pick which one.

    Not so fast. That just says he’s willing to vote. I don’t see anything about HOW he’ll vote.

    And that, Grasshopper, is why I’m only taking back one.

    • #97
  8. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Jager (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Jon Gabriel, Ed. (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Let’s talk about the law of unintended consequences of jamming through the nomination regardless of the consequences. In November 2013, Harry Reid used the nuclear option to stop filibusters for appointments, other than the Supreme Court. In 2017, Mitch McConnell expanded that to the Supreme Court and has been busy ramming through federal judges, which is a good thing in my view.

    I predict that if Mitch forces a confirmation vote before the election, the following three things will happen.

    First, Trump will be defeated. The strongest reason to keep Trump was to replace Ginsberg on the Supreme Court, and Breyer is a spry 82 year old. With no more seats to fill, why keep the Trump albatross?

    Second, Senate hypocrites like Lindsey Graham, and Steve Daines will be defeated. Their pious words in 2016 will be thrown in their faces repeatedly and justifiably. Act Blue received over $100 million in donations after McConnell made his play.

    Third, the Dems will use the nuclear option on the legislative filibuster. The Supreme Court will be expanded to 11 justices, and DC and Puerto Rico will become new states. The Dems will also increase the Federal Judiciary by 30% as happened when Jimmy Carter was President.

    Mark my words, this will be the largest miscalculation since Harry Reid nuked the filibuster on appointments back in 2014.

    • It’s not “jamming through.” It’s observing the norms.
    • If the GOP doesn’t appoint someone (or at least nominate someone), all of them will be defeated.
    • The Dems have already promised to end the filibuster, pack the court, and introduce new states.

    I think that the norms are clearly to wait until after the election.

    I think you miss use the word “norm”. The Senate holding off on Merrit Garland was the violation of the Norms. Never before had a Court appointment been held up simply because it was an election year.

    https://www.scotusblog.com/2016/02/supreme-court-vacancies-in-presidential-election-years/

    The Biden Rule, promulgated by you-know-who back in 1992, was that there shouldn’t be a Supreme Court nomination/vote in an election year, WHEN THE PRESIDENT AND THE SENATE ARE NOT OF THE SAME PARTY.  That was the case in 2016, with Merrick Garland.  It is NOT the case NOW.

    • #98
  9. Percival Thatcher
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    Percival (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    Oh, now … see there? Just when you figure you have someone pegged …

    I take everything bad I’ve ever said about Romney. Wait, that would be intemperate. I’ll take back one bad thing, but in the spirit of promoting amity I’ll let him pick which one.

    Not so fast. That just says he’s willing to vote. I don’t see anything about HOW he’ll vote.

    And that, Grasshopper, is why I’m only taking back one.

    Besides, then he is voting on a candidate as a candidate. He has to come up with a reason for a ‘no’ vote. Orange Man Bad won’t work anymore.

    • #99
  10. Richard O'Shea Coolidge
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    @RichardOShea

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    Oh, now … see there? Just when you figure you have someone pegged …

    I take everything bad I’ve ever said about Romney. Wait, that would be intemperate. I’ll take back one bad thing, but in the spirit of promoting amity I’ll let him pick which one.

    Not so fast. That just says he’s willing to vote. I don’t see anything about HOW he’ll vote.

    Assuming the candidate is qualified, I am confident he will vote to confirm.

    Probably…..

    • #100
  11. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Richard O'Shea (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    Oh, now … see there? Just when you figure you have someone pegged …

    I take everything bad I’ve ever said about Romney. Wait, that would be intemperate. I’ll take back one bad thing, but in the spirit of promoting amity I’ll let him pick which one.

    Not so fast. That just says he’s willing to vote. I don’t see anything about HOW he’ll vote.

    Assuming the candidate is qualified, I am confident he will vote to confirm.

    Probably…..

    I don’t know, Democrats don’t seem to have a problem voting against a SCOTUS nominee just because they don’t think the nominee will rule they way they want them to.  And Romney seems to be moving to that side.

    • #101
  12. Django Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Jon1979 (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Zed11 (View Comment):

    After Kavanaugh debacle, am not especially concerned about anything the Democrats are whining about. Same goes for Goldberg, French, Don Lemon, Michael Moore, Bill Maher, or any NeverTrump Archie Bunker.

    By lumping in Jonah Goldberg, David French, Richard Epstein and me with Don Lemon, Michael Moore and Bill Maher, you are coming close to Godwin’s Law.

    That is below you, and it stops as opposed to expands conversations.

    I guess you missed the question I posed on the first page of the comments, so I’ll ask it again — Gary, do you believe Chuck Schumer (and Nancy Pelosi) will more honorable in keeping their word to Donald Trump and Mitch McConnell is 2020 than George Mitchell (and Tom Foley) were in 1990 to George H.W. Bush and Bob Dole, when they convinced Bush to go back on his “No new taxes” pledge in exchange for Democrats’ promise to cut the federal budget, which Mitchell never followed through on?

    I believe that Joe Biden would keep his word.

    Under the David French proposal, there would be hearings in the Senate Judiciary Committee, but the vote would not occur before the election. Biden would promise that if he won, and the Republicans would not vote on the nomination, then Biden would veto any effort to expand the Supreme Court.

    If Biden made that promise I would believe him.

    Biden? A man who has proven time and time again to be a plagiarist and a liar.  

    • #102
  13. Django Member
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    @Django

    Percival (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Richard O’Shea (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    Oh, now … see there? Just when you figure you have someone pegged …

    I take everything bad I’ve ever said about Romney. Wait, that would be intemperate. I’ll take back one bad thing, but in the spirit of promoting amity I’ll let him pick which one.

    With Romney on board, this will happen. I would have bet the other way. This should also serve to shore up any other wobbly Senators.

    Despite my best efforts, the Senate Republicans are moving forward. I believe that this will be a pyrrhic victory.

    A pyrrhic victory? Why? Because we will lose the full-throated support of Jeff Flake going forward?

    I laughed out loud at that. 

    • #103
  14. TBA Coolidge
    TBA
    @RobtGilsdorf

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Please re-read what I said. I said that it was likely that “Arizona” will vote for a Democrat for only the second time since 1952.

    Okay, so you’re still a solid Biden voter, right? No going wobbly!

    Not unless Trump leaves the ticket. I would vote for Pence or any other Republican in 2020.

    Welp, that’s some world-class hate. 

    • #104
  15. TBA Coolidge
    TBA
    @RobtGilsdorf

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Jager (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Jon Gabriel, Ed. (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Let’s talk about the law of unintended consequences of jamming through the nomination regardless of the consequences. In November 2013, Harry Reid used the nuclear option to stop filibusters for appointments, other than the Supreme Court. In 2017, Mitch McConnell expanded that to the Supreme Court and has been busy ramming through federal judges, which is a good thing in my view.

    I predict that if Mitch forces a confirmation vote before the election, the following three things will happen.

    First, Trump will be defeated. The strongest reason to keep Trump was to replace Ginsberg on the Supreme Court, and Breyer is a spry 82 year old. With no more seats to fill, why keep the Trump albatross?

    Second, Senate hypocrites like Lindsey Graham, and Steve Daines will be defeated. Their pious words in 2016 will be thrown in their faces repeatedly and justifiably. Act Blue received over $100 million in donations after McConnell made his play.

    Third, the Dems will use the nuclear option on the legislative filibuster. The Supreme Court will be expanded to 11 justices, and DC and Puerto Rico will become new states. The Dems will also increase the Federal Judiciary by 30% as happened when Jimmy Carter was President.

    Mark my words, this will be the largest miscalculation since Harry Reid nuked the filibuster on appointments back in 2014.

    • It’s not “jamming through.” It’s observing the norms.
    • If the GOP doesn’t appoint someone (or at least nominate someone), all of them will be defeated.
    • The Dems have already promised to end the filibuster, pack the court, and introduce new states.

    I think that the norms are clearly to wait until after the election.

    I think you miss use the word “norm”. The Senate holding off on Merrit Garland was the violation of the Norms. Never before had a Court appointment been held up simply because it was an election year.

    https://www.scotusblog.com/2016/02/supreme-court-vacancies-in-presidential-election-years/

    The Biden Rule, promulgated by you-know-who back in 1992, was that there shouldn’t be a Supreme Court nomination/vote in an election year, WHEN THE PRESIDENT AND THE SENATE ARE NOT OF THE SAME PARTY. That was the case in 2016, with Merrick Garland. It is NOT the case NOW.

    Something tells me RBG would find the Biden Rule to be less than Constitutional in any case. 

    • #105
  16. TBA Coolidge
    TBA
    @RobtGilsdorf

    Richard O'Shea (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    Oh, now … see there? Just when you figure you have someone pegged …

    I take everything bad I’ve ever said about Romney. Wait, that would be intemperate. I’ll take back one bad thing, but in the spirit of promoting amity I’ll let him pick which one.

    Not so fast. That just says he’s willing to vote. I don’t see anything about HOW he’ll vote.

    Assuming the candidate is qualified, I am confident he will vote to confirm.

    Probably…..

    He definitely might could. 

    • #106
  17. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    Oh, now … see there? Just when you figure you have someone pegged …

    I take everything bad I’ve ever said about Romney. Wait, that would be intemperate. I’ll take back one bad thing, but in the spirit of promoting amity I’ll let him pick which one.

    Not so fast. That just says he’s willing to vote. I don’t see anything about HOW he’ll vote.

    You want Romney to commit to whoever Trump nominates?  What if Trump nominates me?

    • #107
  18. Django Member
    Django
    @Django

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    Oh, now … see there? Just when you figure you have someone pegged …

    I take everything bad I’ve ever said about Romney. Wait, that would be intemperate. I’ll take back one bad thing, but in the spirit of promoting amity I’ll let him pick which one.

    Not so fast. That just says he’s willing to vote. I don’t see anything about HOW he’ll vote.

    You want Romney to commit to whoever Trump nominates? What if Trump nominates me?

    Fine with me as long as you recuse yourself when the case involves Trump. 

    • #108
  19. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    TBA (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Jager (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Jon Gabriel, Ed. (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Let’s talk about the law of unintended consequences of jamming through the nomination regardless of the consequences. In November 2013, Harry Reid used the nuclear option to stop filibusters for appointments, other than the Supreme Court. In 2017, Mitch McConnell expanded that to the Supreme Court and has been busy ramming through federal judges, which is a good thing in my view.

    I predict that if Mitch forces a confirmation vote before the election, the following three things will happen.

    First, Trump will be defeated. The strongest reason to keep Trump was to replace Ginsberg on the Supreme Court, and Breyer is a spry 82 year old. With no more seats to fill, why keep the Trump albatross?

    Second, Senate hypocrites like Lindsey Graham, and Steve Daines will be defeated. Their pious words in 2016 will be thrown in their faces repeatedly and justifiably. Act Blue received over $100 million in donations after McConnell made his play.

    Third, the Dems will use the nuclear option on the legislative filibuster. The Supreme Court will be expanded to 11 justices, and DC and Puerto Rico will become new states. The Dems will also increase the Federal Judiciary by 30% as happened when Jimmy Carter was President.

    Mark my words, this will be the largest miscalculation since Harry Reid nuked the filibuster on appointments back in 2014.

    • It’s not “jamming through.” It’s observing the norms.
    • If the GOP doesn’t appoint someone (or at least nominate someone), all of them will be defeated.
    • The Dems have already promised to end the filibuster, pack the court, and introduce new states.

    I think that the norms are clearly to wait until after the election.

    I think you miss use the word “norm”. The Senate holding off on Merrit Garland was the violation of the Norms. Never before had a Court appointment been held up simply because it was an election year.

    https://www.scotusblog.com/2016/02/supreme-court-vacancies-in-presidential-election-years/

    The Biden Rule, promulgated by you-know-who back in 1992, was that there shouldn’t be a Supreme Court nomination/vote in an election year, WHEN THE PRESIDENT AND THE SENATE ARE NOT OF THE SAME PARTY. That was the case in 2016, with Merrick Garland. It is NOT the case NOW.

    Something tells me RBG would find the Biden Rule to be less than Constitutional in any case.

    Of course it’s not about being constitutional – which would only be an issue if it were turned into a law, anyway – it’s about holding the Dems to the standards they create.

    • #109
  20. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Django (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    Oh, now … see there? Just when you figure you have someone pegged …

    I take everything bad I’ve ever said about Romney. Wait, that would be intemperate. I’ll take back one bad thing, but in the spirit of promoting amity I’ll let him pick which one.

    Not so fast. That just says he’s willing to vote. I don’t see anything about HOW he’ll vote.

    You want Romney to commit to whoever Trump nominates? What if Trump nominates me?

    Fine with me as long as you recuse yourself when the case involves Trump.

    Especially for election issues.

    • #110
  21. DrewInWisconsin, Man of Constant Sorrow Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Constant Sorrow
    @DrewInWisconsin

    Ha ha ha!

    This is why you never give the left an inch. They don’t give a crap about you or norms or principles or anything. What they care about is power. Acquiring it, keeping it, exercising it over you.

    • #111
  22. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
    @BryanGStephens

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Richard O’Shea (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    Oh, now … see there? Just when you figure you have someone pegged …

    I take everything bad I’ve ever said about Romney. Wait, that would be intemperate. I’ll take back one bad thing, but in the spirit of promoting amity I’ll let him pick which one.

    With Romney on board, this will happen. I would have bet the other way. This should also serve to shore up any other wobbly Senators.

    Despite my best efforts, the Senate Republicans are moving forward. I believe that this will be a pyrrhic victory.

    A pyrrhic victory? Why? Because we will lose the full-throated support of Jeff Flake going forward?

    If we lose the Senate, lose the filibuster, have DC and Puerto Rico become states, and face a 11 or 13 member Supreme Court, that would clearly be a Pyrrhic victory.

    We? We?

    You are not part of “We”. You are part of them. You are a “Proud Republican voting for Biden”.

    Everything he does is on you. You are voting for him. You are supporting him. This is the fruit of your actions and your desires. 

    • #112
  23. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Richard O’Shea (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    Oh, now … see there? Just when you figure you have someone pegged …

    I take everything bad I’ve ever said about Romney. Wait, that would be intemperate. I’ll take back one bad thing, but in the spirit of promoting amity I’ll let him pick which one.

    With Romney on board, this will happen. I would have bet the other way. This should also serve to shore up any other wobbly Senators.

    Despite my best efforts, the Senate Republicans are moving forward. I believe that this will be a pyrrhic victory.

    A pyrrhic victory? Why? Because we will lose the full-throated support of Jeff Flake going forward?

    If we lose the Senate, lose the filibuster, have DC and Puerto Rico become states, and face a 11 or 13 member Supreme Court, that would clearly be a Pyrrhic victory.

    We? We?

    You are not part of “We”. You are part of them. You are a “Proud Republican voting for Biden”.

    Everything he does is on you. You are voting for him. You are supporting him. This is the fruit of your actions and your desires.

    I keep wanting to use the Lone Ranger/Tonto story “What do you mean ‘we,’ white man?” on Gary but it doesn’t really work without the context.

    • #113
  24. Matt Balzer, Imperialist Claw Member
    Matt Balzer, Imperialist Claw
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Matt Balzer, Imperialist Claw (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Matt Balzer, Imperialist Claw (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Zed11 (View Comment):

    After Kavanaugh debacle, am not especially concerned about anything the Democrats are whining about. Same goes for Goldberg, French, Don Lemon, Michael Moore, Bill Maher, or any NeverTrump Archie Bunker.

    By lumping in Jonah Goldberg, David French, Richard Epstein and me with Don Lemon, Michael Moore and Bill Maher, you are coming close to Godwin’s Law.

    So what you’re saying is that Lemon, Moore and Maher are Nazis? I thought that accusing the Democrats of being Nazis was something we weren’t supposed to do.

    That is below you, and it stops as opposed to expands conversations.

    I repeat: who are you to say that? I mean you’re over here calling people Nazis, so where do you get off telling people what they aren’t supposed to do?

    The author might has well included AOC, Bernie Sanders and Ilhan Omar. C’mon man. This is like saying that because David Duke supports Trump, and is a racist, that anyone who doesn’t denounce David Duke is running with racists. I don’t believe that for a minute.

    Says the man whose support for any given candidate is contingent on how “Trumpy” they are.

    I believe that you meant to say “Non-Trumpy.”

    Not really. Much like Elvis everyone has a little Trump in them. You’re just looking for the least Trumpy option. 

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  25. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
    @BryanGStephens

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    Oh, now … see there? Just when you figure you have someone pegged …

    I take everything bad I’ve ever said about Romney. Wait, that would be intemperate. I’ll take back one bad thing, but in the spirit of promoting amity I’ll let him pick which one.

    Not so fast. That just says he’s willing to vote. I don’t see anything about HOW he’ll vote.

    You want Romney to commit to whoever Trump nominates? What if Trump nominates me?

    No danger of that. 

    You are not a conservative. 

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  26. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
    @BryanGStephens

    TBA (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Please re-read what I said. I said that it was likely that “Arizona” will vote for a Democrat for only the second time since 1952.

    Okay, so you’re still a solid Biden voter, right? No going wobbly!

    Not unless Trump leaves the ticket. I would vote for Pence or any other Republican in 2020.

    Welp, that’s some world-class hate.

    Just someone who wants to see the COurt packed to 15 and 8 Democratic Senators added. 

    And taxes raised. 

    And abortion on demand, up to and after birth

    And enforced diversity training. 

    And end of free speech. 

    This is what Biden is for, and Gary is not holding his nose and voting for him, he is, in his own words, proud to be doing it. 

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  27. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    Oh, now … see there? Just when you figure you have someone pegged …

    I take everything bad I’ve ever said about Romney. Wait, that would be intemperate. I’ll take back one bad thing, but in the spirit of promoting amity I’ll let him pick which one.

    Not so fast. That just says he’s willing to vote. I don’t see anything about HOW he’ll vote.

    You want Romney to commit to whoever Trump nominates? What if Trump nominates me?

    No danger of that.

    You are not a conservative.

    I was going to say “Trump isn’t that dumb” but your way is more polite.

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  28. Jules PA Inactive
    Jules PA
    @JulesPA

    TBA (View Comment):
    Something tells me RBG would find the Biden Rule to be less than Constitutional in any case. 

    Can we all agree there aren’t any rules, other than what is stipulated the Constitution?

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  29. Jules PA Inactive
    Jules PA
    @JulesPA

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    Ha ha ha!

    This is why you never give the left an inch. They don’t give a crap about you or norms or principles or anything. What they care about is power. Acquiring it, keeping it, exercising it over you.

    Could we say Mitt punked the Dems?

    Even though I lost respect for him, it seems providential that, again, the Democrats show their true colors.

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  30. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    Django (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    Oh, now … see there? Just when you figure you have someone pegged …

    I take everything bad I’ve ever said about Romney. Wait, that would be intemperate. I’ll take back one bad thing, but in the spirit of promoting amity I’ll let him pick which one.

    Not so fast. That just says he’s willing to vote. I don’t see anything about HOW he’ll vote.

    You want Romney to commit to whoever Trump nominates? What if Trump nominates me?

    Fine with me as long as you recuse yourself when the case involves Trump.

    Touche!

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