How Republicans Will Elect Biden 2.0 in 2024

 

“Biden 2.0” is a stand-in for some Democrat figurehead of the Party of Death and Destruction (D). It could be Biden (D). It could be Harris (D). Maybe gruesome Newsome (D). Doesn’t matter, I predict we’ll have one of them, and it will be because “a majority [or, at least, a plurality] of Republicans want Trump, but the Republican Party says we can’t have him.” 

This is a similar dynamic to the Republican’s Taft-Roosevelt split that produced probably the most destructive presidency of the 20th century — Woodrow Wilson (D) — followed closely by FDR (D) and LBJ (D) (notice a pattern?).

Dan Gelernter spelled it out masterfully earlier in the month in Trump Was a Mistake, and now speaks for me in The Coming Split.

But, despite the obvious differences, we’re heading for a 1912-repeat, in which the Republican Party ignores its own voters. The Republican machine has no intention of letting us choose Trump again: He is not a uniparty team player. They’d rather lose an election to the Democrats, their brothers in crime, than win with Trump.

I especially appreciate his points here [emphasis mine]:

I’m sure I’ll be accused of being a shill for the Democrats here, and as far as I’m concerned that’s as credible as being accused of shilling for Russia these days. I’m not suggesting you have to do what I do, either. But I have no intention of supporting a Republican Party that manifestly contravenes the desires of its voters. The RNC can pretend Trump isn’t loved by the base anymore, that he doesn’t have packed rallies everywhere he goes. But I’m not buying it: Talk to Republican voters anywhere outside the Beltway, and it is obvious that he is admired and even loved by those who consider themselves “ordinary” Americans.

Mitch McConnell put cement boots on the Republican party and pushed it into the Potomac with this line: “providing assistance for Ukrainians to defeat the Russians is the number one priority for the United States right now, according to most Republicans.”

In response, I’ll quote a different Mc: “Nuts!” — General McAuliffe

Trump may be our General Patton and the Third Army of his voters the only force that can save America from Biden 2.0.

MAGA!

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  1. Red Herring Coolidge
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    MDHahn (View Comment):
    I like Sununu

    And that right there is all that needs saying.

    And his side of the party will do nothing to secure the elections. Our side needs to be big pain in the butt for the other side of the party.

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  2. Pagodan Member
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    You guys just saw elections stole in 2020 and again in 2022 and you think it is not going to happen in 2024 or when it does it will somehow be your / our / GOP / Trump fault. Amazing. Trump was the last GOP POTUS for a long long time. He was not supposed to win and that is why the Left got so mad when he slipped by. I suspect soon the senate and Congress will fall also to the same rigging methods and we can keep blaming “candidate quality” when the Left runs actual stroke victims that can not talk to victories. But play a rigged games by rigged rules get rigged prizes.

    If this were true, no Republican would win a close election— anywhere— ever.

    No, apparently if everyone else gets out of his way and lets him glide into the nomination for 2024, Trump will magically circumvent the rigged rules of the rigged game. It’s amazing, I grew up Catholic, but never thought the savior was going to come back in my lifetime, and as a Queens real estate prospector turned carnival barker. Wild times. 

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  3. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    Fer Pete’s sake, it’s too dang early for any assertions!

    And yet, that hasn’t stopped all the assertions that Trump is done and can’t win — which began a couple months ago.

    Given that I don’t trust the people making those assertions, I’m not trusting those assertions either.

    Reality is surprising.

    The question is, let’s say that Trump does somehow become the 2024 Presidential Candidate for the GOP. Will the GOP respect the will of the voters in choosing him? Or will they work to undercut him again?

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  4. Red Herring Coolidge
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    MDHahn (View Comment):

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    …..

     

    Odd, because what I heard was a man who is not very articulate saying that if we don’t want a repeat of 2020 in 2024, we need to address the fraud that occurred. Of course, NTs tend to hear that as whining.

    As far as the GOPe choosing candidates, does anyone with a brain think that the voters don’t listen at all to The Turtle, Rove, Hogan, Christie, Kasich, Sununu, et. al when those fools tell us to “move on” from Trump. More important, if the voters don’t “move on” and Trump is the nominee, how many of the aforementioned will vote for the Democrat? I’d guess all of them.

    This is nonsense. Trump would rather blame everyone else than admit he lost. By all means keep harping on 2020 and see how that works out in a general election.

    I like Sununu, but he wouldn’t have a chance in a GOP primary. Neither would Hogan. I can’t believe you think they have any pull.

    By all means keep ignoring the fraud, tell us about moving on, and get another Democrat elected because you can’t see the truth.

    Fools listen to them and the media give them a lot of attention. I can’t believe you don’t see that. Actually, . . . I can.

    What fraud?! I am getting sick and tired of hearing about this when it is so obviously a pathetic excuse for why your preferred candidate lost.

    Look at the vote totals in these states. Kari Lake lost while the Treasurer candidate won and the GOP sent 2 more representatives to Congress. It might just be that people didn’t like Lake. Otherwise, the dems are so freaking stupid that they can rig an election, but still lose seats in Congress. Same in Wisconsin. Michels lost while Johnson won again and we added to our majorities in the legislature and flipped a Congressional seat.

    I’m not saying that every election is perfect, but these grand conspiracy theories about rigged elections are dumb. They are disproved by the results. If they can be rigged you wouldn’t get results like AZ and WI. You’d get more uniform results. You can’t honestly tell me that dems didn’t want to beat Johnson just as badly as any other incumbent. Right or wrong, voters didn’t like a lot of these candidates and they lost.

    But we also saw great victories in 2022 where voters rewarded competency. No one saw a nearly 20 point win for DeSantis, but that’s what happened. Because he’s good at his job. Ditto Kemp and Abbott.

    Gary has already pointed out ties to Trump had an impact. We are sick of being called whiners. That is a leftie tactic to cut off debate. Isn’t working anymore. 

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  5. Red Herring Coolidge
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    I think that assuming that a plurality of primary voters will prefer Trump over another candidate is a mistake, WC. I’m not a NT – I voted for Trump in 2020 – but I would be much happier with a different candidate.

    Hmmm.

    Don’t be fooled: Trump is ‘strong as ever’ say top pollsters.

    Ah yes, pollsters… the ones who consistently get it wrong. I’m not basing what I stated on polls, I’m basing it on the intentions of people I personally know who voted for Trump in the past but who would prefer someone else. Some people I’ve talked to are tired of the drama, some do not want an elderly man again in the White House, some don’t his focus on the 2020 election…..no doubt some are “all of the above” (and that includes me). Ultimately it’s who shows up at the precinct caucuses and primaries who will determine who the candidate is. All I’m saying is, do not presume that Trump will be the preferred candidate.

    It is why the Democrats attack our guys so much. Our voters are easy to wear down until they say just make him go away.

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  6. Red Herring Coolidge
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    MDHahn (View Comment):
    No one saw a nearly 20 point win for DeSantis, but that’s what happened. Because he’s good at his job.

    Because he didn’t ignore cultural issues. He embraced them and fought for conservative culture.

    Which is exactly what the GOP won’t do.

     

    Right. Because so many in the GOP hate DeSantis….

    The hate Trump, they hate Cruz, they hate anyone who rocks their boat.  

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  7. Randy Weivoda Moderator
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

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    What? You do realize that there will be a primary, right? And actual Republicans will vote in these primaries. Either Trump will win, or he will lose to another Republican. The GOP has been utterly powerless against Trump and has shown no real ability to stop him in primaries.

    We only get a 1912 repeat if Trump loses, he once again refuses to concede that he lost, and either runs as a third-party or blasts the nominee and tells people not to vote. Just like he did in Georgia for the runoff in 2020.

    If there is a 1912 redo, it will be Trump’s fault, just like it was TR’s then. And both will have been motivated out of pure ego and spite.

    Right. Because the party has no power to influence election outcomes, either by omission or commission.

    During the 2020 primary season, some state Republican parties declared that there would be no primary.  Trump would not have to face any challengers, he got some state delegates automatically.  So yes, the party did push for an outcome and it was in Trump’s favor.

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  8. kedavis Coolidge
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    What? You do realize that there will be a primary, right? And actual Republicans will vote in these primaries. Either Trump will win, or he will lose to another Republican. The GOP has been utterly powerless against Trump and has shown no real ability to stop him in primaries.

    We only get a 1912 repeat if Trump loses, he once again refuses to concede that he lost, and either runs as a third-party or blasts the nominee and tells people not to vote. Just like he did in Georgia for the runoff in 2020.

    If there is a 1912 redo, it will be Trump’s fault, just like it was TR’s then. And both will have been motivated out of pure ego and spite.

    Right. Because the party has no power to influence election outcomes, either by omission or commission.

    During the 2020 primary season, some state Republican parties declared that there would be no primary. Trump would not have to face any challengers, he got some state delegates automatically. So yes, the party did push for an outcome and it was in Trump’s favor.

    I’m not sure if State Republican Parties are necessarily equivalent to the DC-type Establishment.

    For example, the Alaska Republican Party censured both Murkowski, and McConnell.

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  9. Randy Weivoda Moderator
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    MDHahn (View Comment):

    What? You do realize that there will be a primary, right? And actual Republicans will vote in these primaries. Either Trump will win, or he will lose to another Republican. The GOP has been utterly powerless against Trump and has shown no real ability to stop him in primaries.

    We only get a 1912 repeat if Trump loses, he once again refuses to concede that he lost, and either runs as a third-party or blasts the nominee and tells people not to vote. Just like he did in Georgia for the runoff in 2020.

    If there is a 1912 redo, it will be Trump’s fault, just like it was TR’s then. And both will have been motivated out of pure ego and spite.

    I expect a replay of the 2016 primary season.  In almost every state where Trump didn’t win he declared the primary election to be rigged and demanded to be awarded the delegates, or at least be given a new election.  Few people took him seriously then, but I expect next time every Republican primary election not won by Trump will be widely denounced as fraudulent.

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    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

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    What? You do realize that there will be a primary, right? And actual Republicans will vote in these primaries. Either Trump will win, or he will lose to another Republican. The GOP has been utterly powerless against Trump and has shown no real ability to stop him in primaries.

    We only get a 1912 repeat if Trump loses, he once again refuses to concede that he lost, and either runs as a third-party or blasts the nominee and tells people not to vote. Just like he did in Georgia for the runoff in 2020.

    If there is a 1912 redo, it will be Trump’s fault, just like it was TR’s then. And both will have been motivated out of pure ego and spite.

    I expect a replay of the 2016 primary season. In almost every state where Trump didn’t win he declared the primary election to be rigged and demanded to be awarded the delegates, or at least be given a new election. Few people took him seriously then, but I expect next time every Republican primary election not won by Trump will be widely denounced as fraudulent.

    Maybe it was a reasonable assumption, considering how the Democrat primaries and convention seemed to be rigged against Sanders.

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    Django (View Comment):

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    I’m hearing that a lot from other Republican friends and family who also voted for him but aren’t happy with his behavior since the 2020 election.

    I’m not happy with a lot of his behavior but am less happy with the rest of the party, with a couple of exceptions, of course.

    This.

     

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  12. Red Herring Coolidge
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    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

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    What? You do realize that there will be a primary, right? And actual Republicans will vote in these primaries. Either Trump will win, or he will lose to another Republican. The GOP has been utterly powerless against Trump and has shown no real ability to stop him in primaries.

    We only get a 1912 repeat if Trump loses, he once again refuses to concede that he lost, and either runs as a third-party or blasts the nominee and tells people not to vote. Just like he did in Georgia for the runoff in 2020.

    If there is a 1912 redo, it will be Trump’s fault, just like it was TR’s then. And both will have been motivated out of pure ego and spite.

    I expect a replay of the 2016 primary season. In almost every state where Trump didn’t win he declared the primary election to be rigged and demanded to be awarded the delegates, or at least be given a new election. Few people took him seriously then, but I expect next time every Republican primary election not won by Trump will be widely denounced as fraudulent.

    Politics

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  13. Painter Jean Moderator
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    Red Herring (View Comment):

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    Painter Jean (View Comment):
    I think that assuming that a plurality of primary voters will prefer Trump over another candidate is a mistake, WC. I’m not a NT – I voted for Trump in 2020 – but I would be much happier with a different candidate.

    Hmmm.

    Don’t be fooled: Trump is ‘strong as ever’ say top pollsters.

    Ah yes, pollsters… the ones who consistently get it wrong. I’m not basing what I stated on polls, I’m basing it on the intentions of people I personally know who voted for Trump in the past but who would prefer someone else. Some people I’ve talked to are tired of the drama, some do not want an elderly man again in the White House, some don’t his focus on the 2020 election…..no doubt some are “all of the above” (and that includes me). Ultimately it’s who shows up at the precinct caucuses and primaries who will determine who the candidate is. All I’m saying is, do not presume that Trump will be the preferred candidate.

    It is why the Democrats attack our guys so much. Our voters are easy to wear down until they say just make him go away.

    It isn’t the Democrats that have me wishing Trump would go away. That’s on him – and his age. Can we get someone who isn’t elderly, pushing eighty, please?!

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  14. Gary Robbins Member
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    This is an excellent post.  I have a couple of thoughts.  President Trump generates a stronger reactions that any other politician I have seen during my adult life.  (I was only 12 years old when Barry Goldwater ran in 1964.)  President Trump got the most number of votes of any Republican in 2020, second only to the number of votes for Biden, who was running as the Anti-Trump.

    I watched closely how the Democrats nominated Biden in 2020.  The overwhelming strong emotion was a blind, raging, irrational, white-hot hatred of President Trump.  No matter what, Democrats were dedicated to beating President Trump in the general election.  I think that many Democrats were fond of Bernie Sanders and supported his views on the economy.  But they concluded that President Trump would beat Sanders.  So, in the couple of days after the South Carolina primary, Pete Buttigieg and Amy Klobuchar both withdrew from the race and endorsed Biden, not because they loved Biden, but because they were convinced that Sanders could not beat Trump.

    What I think will happen is this.  A dozen or so Republicans will run.  But, if candidates don’t come in the top 4 in Iowa, and the top 3 in New Hampshire, they will withdraw.  More accurately stated, I think that a majority of Republicans will vote for the strongest Republican left, because they will accurately conclude that Trump cannot win.

    Who will it be?  DeSantis is at the poll position, and he has been a superb Governor of Florida.  However, it has not been shown that he will wear well in a national campaign.  I believe that our best candidate would be a Governor, as members of Congress have gelded by President Trump.  Which Governor?  I don’t know, but Governors DeSantis, Youngkin, Abbott, Kemp, Ducey, Noem, and Sununu would all be great.  While I love Governor Hogan, I think his refusal to vote for Trump in 2020 will be fatal to him.  Who I would want the most would be Mitch Daniels, but I don’t hear a drumbeat for him.

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  15. Barfly Member
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    Western Chauvinist:

    Dan Gelernter spelled it out masterfully earlier in the month in Trump Was a Mistake, and now speaks for me in The Coming Split.

    I just read Gelernter’s articles. He’s right in the main, and everybody knows it. (Even the NT’s and progs know it.) Most of us are still too scared to jump, but it wouldn’t take much to trigger a preference cascade.

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  16. Stina Member
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    You guys just saw elections stole in 2020 and again in 2022 and you think it is not going to happen in 2024 or when it does it will somehow be your / our / GOP / Trump fault. Amazing. Trump was the last GOP POTUS for a long long time. He was not supposed to win and that is why the Left got so mad when he slipped by. I suspect soon the senate and Congress will fall also to the same rigging methods and we can keep blaming “candidate quality” when the Left runs actual stroke victims that can not talk to victories. But play a rigged games by rigged rules get rigged prizes.

    If this were true, no Republican would win a close election— anywhere— ever.

    No, the cheating is effective in Democrat-controlled areas. It doesn’t work everywhere, but it doesn’t need to. Democrats own densely populated urban areas and that’s all they need, especially in presidential elections.

    This is why two thirds of our government being elected by the same fashion is so terrifyingly stupid. Senators are as easy to rig as president elections. The president is still easier than controlling the senate, but they already control the key areas to get both.

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  17. Hoyacon Member
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    Barfly (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist:

    Dan Gelernter spelled it out masterfully earlier in the month in Trump Was a Mistake, and now speaks for me in The Coming Split.

    I just read Gelernter’s articles. He’s right in the main, and everybody knows it. (Even the NT’s and progs know it.) Most of us are still too scared to jump, but it wouldn’t take much to trigger a preference cascade.

    I don’t think that I know it, but see my comments above.  Is the idea that, if Trump is not the nominee. lots of us will take our ball and go home?  Ergo, Biden or his facsimile wins?

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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

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    What? You do realize that there will be a primary, right? And actual Republicans will vote in these primaries. Either Trump will win, or he will lose to another Republican. The GOP has been utterly powerless against Trump and has shown no real ability to stop him in primaries.

     

    We only get a 1912 repeat if Trump loses, he once again refuses to concede that he lost, and either runs as a third-party or blasts the nominee and tells people not to vote. Just like he did in Georgia for the runoff in 2020.

     

    If there is a 1912 redo, it will be Trump’s fault, just like it was TR’s then. And both will have been motivated out of pure ego and spite.

     

    Right. Because the party has no power to influence election outcomes, either by omission or commission.

     

    not much anymore. if the party 

    was as powerful as it was in 1912, Trump would not have been the runaway nominee in 2016.

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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

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    I like Sununu

    And that right there is all that needs saying.

    Sununu did win his relection.

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  20. Django Member
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

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    Western Chauvinist:

    Dan Gelernter spelled it out masterfully earlier in the month in Trump Was a Mistake, and now speaks for me in The Coming Split.

    I just read Gelernter’s articles. He’s right in the main, and everybody knows it. (Even the NT’s and progs know it.) Most of us are still too scared to jump, but it wouldn’t take much to trigger a preference cascade.

    I don’t think that I know it, but see my comments above. Is the idea that, if Trump is not the nominee. lots of us will take our ball and go home? Ergo, Biden or his facsimile wins?

    I can speak only for myself, but it the nominee is someone such as Hogan, Christie, JEB!, Kasich, I’ll leave the top slot blank. Count me in for DeSantis and maybe for a couple others. 

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  21. Stina Member
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

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    You guys just saw elections stole in 2020 and again in 2022 and you think it is not going to happen in 2024 or when it does it will somehow be your / our / GOP / Trump fault. Amazing. Trump was the last GOP POTUS for a long long time. He was not supposed to win and that is why the Left got so mad when he slipped by. I suspect soon the senate and Congress will fall also to the same rigging methods and we can keep blaming “candidate quality” when the Left runs actual stroke victims that can not talk to victories. But play a rigged games by rigged rules get rigged prizes.

    If this were true, no Republican would win a close election— anywhere— ever.

    The trick is to let a few Republicans win so the game doesn’t look rigged. But only controlled opposition.

    A majority in the House is more than that.

    Is it? Promises, promises.

    Yes, it is. And if this plot to rig every significant election was in place, it never would have happened.

    It’s harder to rig the house, which are district elections, than it is to rig president and senate, which are state races.

    State races only need one highly populace, low turnout location to rig the entire state. To win state legislatures and federal house, you have to corrupt every district you need to get a majority.

    That is more expensive and requires more people than what is need for president and senators (as currently elected).

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    You guys just saw elections stole in 2020 and again in 2022 and you think it is not going to happen in 2024 or when it does it will somehow be your / our / GOP / Trump fault. Amazing. Trump was the last GOP POTUS for a long long time. He was not supposed to win and that is why the Left got so mad when he slipped by. I suspect soon the senate and Congress will fall also to the same rigging methods and we can keep blaming “candidate quality” when the Left runs actual stroke victims that can not talk to victories. But play a rigged games by rigged rules get rigged prizes.

     

    If this were true, no Republican would win a close election— anywhere— ever.

     

    The constant whining by Democrats after the 2016 election that less than 80K votes across three critical states was Trump’s margin of victory gave serious fraudsters the key. No need for fraud in CA, NY, MA, WA, OR. Those are safely Demo-rat. Pick three or four swing states such as WI, GA, AZ, and one or two others. That’s all they needed. Then, consider that there was one highly visible repub in WI who said we need to stop talking about fraud because it was destroying faith in the electoral system. Ya think? The GOPe doesn’t care.

     

    trust me, Republicans in Oregon and Washington think elections are stolen here too. What they’re bad at is math.

     

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    …..

     

     

     

    Odd, because what I heard was a man who is not very articulate saying that if we don’t want a repeat of 2020 in 2024, we need to address the fraud that occurred. Of course, NTs tend to hear that as whining.

     

    As far as the GOPe choosing candidates, does anyone with a brain think that the voters don’t listen at all to The Turtle, Rove, Hogan, Christie, Kasich, Sununu, et. al when those fools tell us to “move on” from Trump. More important, if the voters don’t “move on” and Trump is the nominee, how many of the aforementioned will vote for the Democrat? I’d guess all of them.

     

    This is nonsense. Trump would rather blame everyone else than admit he lost. By all means keep harping on 2020 and see how that works out in a general election.

     

    I like Sununu, but he wouldn’t have a chance in a GOP primary. Neither would Hogan. I can’t believe you think they have any 

     

    But we also saw great victories in 2022 where voters rewarded competency. No one saw a nearly 20 point win for DeSantis, but that’s what happened. Because he’s good at his job. Ditto Kemp and Abbott.

     

    according to exit polling, Lake lost 11% of Rs to Hobbs. It’s not really surprising the way she trashes any R who isn’t like her. I’m not a big McCain fan but trashing him and his voters seems dumb in a state where the closest he came to losing was 12%. Doucey didn’t have any problem winning state wide in 2018 in a D wave year. Kari Lake, like the man she has patterned herself after turns off a lot of people. If I lived in AZ, I’d have voted for her. but it’s not hard to see why she alienates people, unless your circle of people you interact with is entirely right wing.

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    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    I think that assuming that a plurality of primary voters will prefer Trump over another candidate is a mistake, WC. I’m not a NT – I voted for Trump in 2020 – but I would be much happier with a different candidate.

     

    Hmmm.

     

    Don’t be fooled: Trump is ‘strong as ever’ say top pollsters.

     

    Ah yes, pollsters… the ones who consistently get it wrong. I’m not basing what I stated on polls, I’m basing it on the intentions of people I personally know who voted for Trump in the past but who would prefer someone else. Some people I’ve talked to are tired of the drama, some do not want an elderly man again in the White House, some don’t his focus on the 2020 election…..no doubt some are “all of the above” (and that includes me). Ultimately it’s who shows up at the precinct caucuses and primaries who will determine who the candidate is. All I’m saying is, do not presume that Trump will be the preferred candidate.

     

    It is why the Democrats attack our guys so much. Our voters are easy to wear down until they say just make him go away.

     

    It isn’t the Democrats that have me wishing Trump would go away. That’s on him – and his age. Can we get someone who isn’t elderly, pushing eighty, please?!

     

    Democrats want Trump again. that is obvious.

     

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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

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    You guys just saw elections stole in 2020 and again in 2022 and you think it is not going to happen in 2024 or when it does it will somehow be your / our / GOP / Trump fault. Amazing. Trump was the last GOP POTUS for a long long time. He was not supposed to win and that is why the Left got so mad when he slipped by. I suspect soon the senate and Congress will fall also to the same rigging methods and we can keep blaming “candidate quality” when the Left runs actual stroke victims that can not talk to victories. But play a rigged games by rigged rules get rigged prizes.

    If this were true, no Republican would win a close election— anywhere— ever.

    The trick is to let a few Republicans win so the game doesn’t look rigged. But only controlled opposition.

    A majority in the House is more than that.

    Is it? Promises, promises.

    Yes, it is. And if this plot to rig every significant election was in place, it never would have happened.

    It’s harder to rig the house, which are district elections, than it is to rig president and senate, which are state races.

    State races only need one highly populace, low turnout location to rig the entire state. To win state legislatures and federal house, you have to corrupt every district you need to get a majority.

    That is more expensive and requires more people than what is need for president and senators (as currently elected).

    Which is one of the main reasons for returning the election of President to the legislatures.

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  26. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill
    @CarolJoy

    On the national level, Republicans don’t do squat.

    Nor do Democrats.

    To win the Presidency a candidate Must appeal to the indie voters.

    Or else the candidate’s party Must ensure that our broken election system is hackable.

    Ever wonder why it is if Democrats did not cheat in Arizona, that that party’s members label anyone saying they did as conspiracy theorists?

    After all, if the Dems didn’t play games in Maricopa County, they would willingly have wanted an audit to go forward. (They didn’t – they opposed Lake and her supporters’ efforts.)

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  27. Randy Weivoda Moderator
    Randy Weivoda
    @RandyWeivoda

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):
    I do not like Trump but if the party hoists another McCain or Romney on us I am not voting. 

    I disliked McCain, Romney, and Trump.  But each was selected by Republican primary voters.  It’s not like prior to 2016 the candidates were chosen by an elite, secret cabal and 2016 was the first time Joe Sixpack was allowed to vote.  The Republican base gave us each of those candidates.

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  28. Hoyacon Member
    Hoyacon
    @Hoyacon

    Django (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Barfly (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist:

    Dan Gelernter spelled it out masterfully earlier in the month in Trump Was a Mistake, and now speaks for me in The Coming Split.

    I just read Gelernter’s articles. He’s right in the main, and everybody knows it. (Even the NT’s and progs know it.) Most of us are still too scared to jump, but it wouldn’t take much to trigger a preference cascade.

    I don’t think that I know it, but see my comments above. Is the idea that, if Trump is not the nominee. lots of us will take our ball and go home? Ergo, Biden or his facsimile wins?

    I can speak only for myself, but it the nominee is someone such as Hogan, Christie, JEB!, Kasich, I’ll leave the top slot blank. Count me in for DeSantis and maybe for a couple others.

    I don’t have any problem with a blank if the nomination is not to one’s liking.  I’m just trying to figure out where the line is drawn, and if it’s only Trump that’s on one side of it.  

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  29. Western Chauvinist Member
    Western Chauvinist
    @WesternChauvinist

    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):
    I do not like Trump but if the party hoists another McCain or Romney on us I am not voting.

    I disliked McCain, Romney, and Trump. But each was selected by Republican primary voters. It’s not like prior to 2016 the candidates were chosen by an elite, secret cabal and 2016 was the first time Joe Sixpack was allowed to vote. The Republican base gave us each of those candidates.

    Maybe, but with Trump’s election and his actions on our (ordinary American’s) behalf, and the corresponding actions/inactions of McCain and Romney, it has become crystal clear that establishment-approved candidates are not on our side, but are on the side of the uniparty and their own self-interest.

    I didn’t know just how much I despised Romney until he became a senator. What a loathsome man. 

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  30. Django Member
    Django
    @Django

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Barfly (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist:

    Dan Gelernter spelled it out masterfully earlier in the month in Trump Was a Mistake, and now speaks for me in The Coming Split.

    I just read Gelernter’s articles. He’s right in the main, and everybody knows it. (Even the NT’s and progs know it.) Most of us are still too scared to jump, but it wouldn’t take much to trigger a preference cascade.

    I don’t think that I know it, but see my comments above. Is the idea that, if Trump is not the nominee. lots of us will take our ball and go home? Ergo, Biden or his facsimile wins?

    I can speak only for myself, but it the nominee is someone such as Hogan, Christie, JEB!, Kasich, I’ll leave the top slot blank. Count me in for DeSantis and maybe for a couple others.

    I don’t have any problem with a blank if the nomination is not to one’s liking. I’m just trying to figure out where the line is drawn, and if it’s only Trump that’s on one side of it.

    It’s going on seven years ago so my memory might be off, but I remember one of the 17 in 2015 or 2016 dropping out of the race in favor of the few polling higher than he was because it was imperative to stop Trump. Have that stuff happen again and my bet is that a lot of people will be Only-Trump. 

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