How Republicans Will Elect Biden 2.0 in 2024

 

“Biden 2.0” is a stand-in for some Democrat figurehead of the Party of Death and Destruction (D). It could be Biden (D). It could be Harris (D). Maybe gruesome Newsome (D). Doesn’t matter, I predict we’ll have one of them, and it will be because “a majority [or, at least, a plurality] of Republicans want Trump, but the Republican Party says we can’t have him.” 

This is a similar dynamic to the Republican’s Taft-Roosevelt split that produced probably the most destructive presidency of the 20th century — Woodrow Wilson (D) — followed closely by FDR (D) and LBJ (D) (notice a pattern?).

Dan Gelernter spelled it out masterfully earlier in the month in Trump Was a Mistake, and now speaks for me in The Coming Split.

But, despite the obvious differences, we’re heading for a 1912-repeat, in which the Republican Party ignores its own voters. The Republican machine has no intention of letting us choose Trump again: He is not a uniparty team player. They’d rather lose an election to the Democrats, their brothers in crime, than win with Trump.

I especially appreciate his points here [emphasis mine]:

I’m sure I’ll be accused of being a shill for the Democrats here, and as far as I’m concerned that’s as credible as being accused of shilling for Russia these days. I’m not suggesting you have to do what I do, either. But I have no intention of supporting a Republican Party that manifestly contravenes the desires of its voters. The RNC can pretend Trump isn’t loved by the base anymore, that he doesn’t have packed rallies everywhere he goes. But I’m not buying it: Talk to Republican voters anywhere outside the Beltway, and it is obvious that he is admired and even loved by those who consider themselves “ordinary” Americans.

Mitch McConnell put cement boots on the Republican party and pushed it into the Potomac with this line: “providing assistance for Ukrainians to defeat the Russians is the number one priority for the United States right now, according to most Republicans.”

In response, I’ll quote a different Mc: “Nuts!” — General McAuliffe

Trump may be our General Patton and the Third Army of his voters the only force that can save America from Biden 2.0.

MAGA!

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  1. Western Chauvinist Member
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    I like the comparison of Trump to Patton. Both were rough around the edges. Men of practical competence, but impolitic, and intensely disliked by lesser, and less accomplished, but more polite men. 

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  2. Western Chauvinist Member
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    I’m glad my dad was assigned to Patton’s Army after D-Day. 

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  3. MDHahn Coolidge
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    @MDHahn

    What? You do realize that there will be a primary, right? And actual Republicans will vote in these primaries. Either Trump will win, or he will lose to another Republican. The GOP has been utterly powerless against Trump and has shown no real ability to stop him in primaries. 

    We only get a 1912 repeat if Trump loses, he once again refuses to concede that he lost, and either runs as a third-party or blasts the nominee and tells people not to vote. Just like he did in Georgia for the runoff in 2020.

    If there is a 1912 redo, it will be Trump’s fault, just like it was TR’s then. And both will have been motivated out of pure ego and spite.

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  4. Western Chauvinist Member
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    MDHahn (View Comment):

    What? You do realize that there will be a primary, right? And actual Republicans will vote in these primaries. Either Trump will win, or he will lose to another Republican. The GOP has been utterly powerless against Trump and has shown no real ability to stop him in primaries.

    We only get a 1912 repeat if Trump loses, he once again refuses to concede that he lost, and either runs as a third-party or blasts the nominee and tells people not to vote. Just like he did in Georgia for the runoff in 2020.

    If there is a 1912 redo, it will be Trump’s fault, just like it was TR’s then. And both will have been motivated out of pure ego and spite.

    Right. Because the party has no power to influence election outcomes, either by omission or commission. 

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  5. E. Kent Golding Member
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    MDHahn (View Comment):

    What? You do realize that there will be a primary, right? And actual Republicans will vote in these primaries. Either Trump will win, or he will lose to another Republican. The GOP has been utterly powerless against Trump and has shown no real ability to stop him in primaries.

    We only get a 1912 repeat if Trump loses, he once again refuses to concede that he lost, and either runs as a third-party or blasts the nominee and tells people not to vote. Just like he did in Georgia for the runoff in 2020.

    If there is a 1912 redo, it will be Trump’s fault, just like it was TR’s then. And both will have been motivated out of pure ego and spite.

    Can’t agree with this enough.    I will vote for someone else in the primaries,  would  vote for Trump as the republican nominee in the general.  If Trump runs third party,  I will vote for the Repub or Trump depending on who has the best shot in my state against the democrat.

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  6. Western Chauvinist Member
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    This post is about the Republican party acting against the base — a plurality of which voted for Trump in the early primaries in the 2016 election and managed to get him through as the Republican nominee. The question is, do you believe the Republican party represents you in good faith, even when it apparently works against your interests (see Omnibus from hell and neutering of the already weak Republican majority in the House)? 

    I will never vote for a Democrat, unlike some NTers. But, I will not vote for another Romney, McCain, Bush, Cheney pick from the establishment. As Gelernter says, I’m fed up. BTW, how does Mitch McConnell regard Ron DeSantis? And would DeSantis cave to the uniparty if he managed to get elected (he won’t; see aforementioned Trump loyalists)?

    If a plurality manages to push Trump through in the primaries, great. I’ll vote for him. If it becomes apparent that the party apparatus is choosing the candidate? No. The uniparty must be destroyed. It’s us or them.

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  7. MarciN Member
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    I have trouble believing in the intelligence of any candidate who runs against Trump given the unjust way he and the J6 protestors have been prosecuted and persecuted. I think the entire Republican Party should stand against the Democrats in their use of the Justice Department for their own political gain.

    I do not want to see them get away with what they have done. I think the most important issue facing us as a nation is the adherence to basic standards of justice. What the Democrats have done to an innocent man over the past six years is abhorrent in every way.

    The Constitution is very much about defining the relationship between the individual and the government. That is the cornerstone upon which it rests. I got that message plainly in the instructions I once got when I was part of a local jury. The judge explained that we the jury members were the only people standing between justice and injustice. Well, in the battle between the Democrats and Never Trumpers against Donald Trump, we the people are the jury.

    I will vote for Trump and against them. The government should never treat anyone the way they have treated him.

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  8. genferei Member
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    @genferei

    The “party of Death, Destruction, Slavery, Eugenics and Racism”, please. 

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  9. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    MarciN (View Comment):
    The Constitution is very much about defining the relationship between the individual and the government.

    And it tilts that relationship in favor of the individual. This is what makes it unique among governing documents.

    I wish we could return the nation to its original factory settings.

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  10. Flicker Coolidge
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):
    I will never vote for a Democrat, unlike some NTers. But, I will not vote for another Romney, McCain, Bush, Cheney pick from the establishment. As Gelernter says, I’m fed up.

    I wonder at people who won’t vote for a scowling devil in a black suit, but will happily vote for a smiling devil in a white suit.

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  11. MDHahn Coolidge
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    This post is about the Republican party acting against the base — a plurality of which voted for Trump in the early primaries in the 2016 election and managed to get him through as the Republican nominee. The question is, do you believe the Republican party represents you in good faith, even when it apparently works against your interests (see Omnibus from hell and neutering of the already weak Republican majority in the House)?

    I will never vote for a Democrat, unlike some NTers. But, I will not vote for another Romney, McCain, Bush, Cheney pick from the establishment. As Gelernter says, I’m fed up. BTW, how does Mitch McConnell regard Ron DeSantis? And would DeSantis cave to the uniparty if he managed to get elected (he won’t; see aforementioned Trump loyalists)?

    If a plurality manages to push Trump through in the primaries, great. I’ll vote for him. If it becomes apparent that the party apparatus is choosing the candidate? No. The uniparty must be destroyed. It’s us or them.

    You keep saying that the party is going against the will of the voters, but you don’t recognize the contradiction in your comments. 

    If Trump only manages a plurality, then by definition a majority of the GOP primary voters preferred someone other than Trump. He doesn’t have majority support in that scenario. So why is Trump the one who must be protected at all costs?

    As I’ve said numerous times now, the GOP has a tremendous bench of proven, competent governors: DeSantis, Kemp, Abbott, Ducey, Noem, etc. Any of them would be great candidates. We’re stuck with another Trump primary because of his vanity. He only whines about 2020 and doesn’t have anything new to offer. A potential 2 terms from one of the people above is far better for the country than soothing one man’s ego.

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  12. JoelB Member
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    MarciN (View Comment):
    I have trouble believing in the intelligence of any candidate who runs against Trump given the unjust way he and the J6 protestors have been prosecuted and persecuted.

    Since Trump is running, I hope DeSantis stays out of it altogether.  I don’t like the idea of a split in the Maga vote. The same goes for Abbott and some others.

    If Trump pulls out, I hope DeSantis goes in.

    I like the idea of Rand Paul or Kristi Noem for a VP if they want it.

     

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  13. JosePluma, Local Man of Mystery Coolidge
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    If the race is again the squawking goose vs. a pile of goose poop, the goose poop will win.  Why?  The GOOP adherents will vote for the squawker, while the Demoncrats will vote for the poop. The people who actually decide the race, those with no affection for either party, are tired of all the squawking. They will hold their noses and vote for the rotting manure. 

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  14. Django Member
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    MDHahn (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    This post is about the Republican party acting against the base — a plurality of which voted for Trump in the early primaries in the 2016 election and managed to get him through as the Republican nominee. The question is, do you believe the Republican party represents you in good faith, even when it apparently works against your interests (see Omnibus from hell and neutering of the already weak Republican majority in the House)?

    I will never vote for a Democrat, unlike some NTers. But, I will not vote for another Romney, McCain, Bush, Cheney pick from the establishment. As Gelernter says, I’m fed up. BTW, how does Mitch McConnell regard Ron DeSantis? And would DeSantis cave to the uniparty if he managed to get elected (he won’t; see aforementioned Trump loyalists)?

    If a plurality manages to push Trump through in the primaries, great. I’ll vote for him. If it becomes apparent that the party apparatus is choosing the candidate? No. The uniparty must be destroyed. It’s us or them.

    You keep saying that the party is going against the will of the voters, but you don’t recognize the contradiction in your comments.

    If Trump only manages a plurality, then by definition a majority of the GOP primary voters preferred someone other than Trump. He doesn’t have majority support in that scenario. So why is Trump the one who must be protected at all costs?

    As I’ve said numerous times now, the GOP has a tremendous bench of proven, competent governors: DeSantis, Kemp, Abbott, Ducey, Noem, etc. Any of them would be great candidates. We’re stuck with another Trump primary because of his vanity. He only whines about 2020 and doesn’t have anything new to offer. A potential 2 terms from one of the people above is far better for the country than soothing one man’s ego.

    Odd, because what I heard was a man who is not very articulate saying that if we don’t want a repeat of 2020 in 2024, we need to address the fraud that occurred. Of course, NTs tend to hear that as whining. 

    As far as the GOPe choosing candidates, does anyone with a brain think that the voters don’t listen at all to The Turtle, Rove, Hogan, Christie, Kasich, Sununu, et. al when those fools tell us to “move on” from Trump. More important, if the voters don’t “move on” and Trump is the nominee, how many of the aforementioned will vote for the Democrat? I’d guess all of them. 

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  15. Barfly Member
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    I like the comparison of Trump to Patton. Both were rough around the edges. Men of practical competence, but impolitic, and intensely disliked by lesser, and less accomplished, but more polite men.

    There’s a credible theory that Patton was assassinated. He held inconvenient opinions wrt the USSR. Whether it’s true or not, the comparison to DJT makes sense.

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  16. Western Chauvinist Member
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    MDHahn (View Comment):
    If Trump only manages a plurality, then by definition a majority of the GOP primary voters preferred someone other than Trump. He doesn’t have majority support in that scenario. So why is Trump the one who must be protected at all costs?

    You don’t seem to understand “plurality.” In the early primaries when there were eleventy-billion candidates, Trump was winning the most votes while others split the vote. Once the field narrowed, he won the majority and became the nominee. It wasn’t even a contest in 2020. People liked America under Trump and, were it not for COVID, I don’t think 2020 would have been close enough for Democrats (and their allies among NTers) to steal. 

    That, and what @marcin said. It’s a matter of justice and reform of the the justice system. 

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  17. MDHahn Coolidge
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    Django (View Comment):

    MDHahn (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    This post is about the Republican party acting against the base — a plurality of which voted for Trump in the early primaries in the 2016 election and managed to get him through as the Republican nominee. The question is, do you believe the Republican party represents you in good faith, even when it apparently works against your interests (see Omnibus from hell and neutering of the already weak Republican majority in the House)?

    I will never vote for a Democrat, unlike some NTers. But, I will not vote for another Romney, McCain, Bush, Cheney pick from the establishment. As Gelernter says, I’m fed up. BTW, how does Mitch McConnell regard Ron DeSantis? And would DeSantis cave to the uniparty if he managed to get elected (he won’t; see aforementioned Trump loyalists)?

    If a plurality manages to push Trump through in the primaries, great. I’ll vote for him. If it becomes apparent that the party apparatus is choosing the candidate? No. The uniparty must be destroyed. It’s us or them.

    You keep saying that the party is going against the will of the voters, but you don’t recognize the contradiction in your comments.

    If Trump only manages a plurality, then by definition a majority of the GOP primary voters preferred someone other than Trump. He doesn’t have majority support in that scenario. So why is Trump the one who must be protected at all costs?

    As I’ve said numerous times now, the GOP has a tremendous bench of proven, competent governors: DeSantis, Kemp, Abbott, Ducey, Noem, etc. Any of them would be great candidates. We’re stuck with another Trump primary because of his vanity. He only whines about 2020 and doesn’t have anything new to offer. A potential 2 terms from one of the people above is far better for the country than soothing one man’s ego.

    Odd, because what I heard was a man who is not very articulate saying that if we don’t want a repeat of 2020 in 2024, we need to address the fraud that occurred. Of course, NTs tend to hear that as whining.

    As far as the GOPe choosing candidates, does anyone with a brain think that the voters don’t listen at all to The Turtle, Rove, Hogan, Christie, Kasich, Sununu, et. al when those fools tell us to “move on” from Trump. More important, if the voters don’t “move on” and Trump is the nominee, how many of the aforementioned will vote for the Democrat? I’d guess all of them.

    This is nonsense. Trump would rather blame everyone else than admit he lost. By all means keep harping on 2020 and see how that works out in a general election. 

    I like Sununu, but he wouldn’t have a chance in a GOP primary. Neither would Hogan. I can’t believe you think they have any pull.

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  18. Western Chauvinist Member
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    MDHahn (View Comment):
    I like Sununu

    And that right there is all that needs saying. 

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  19. Django Member
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    MDHahn (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    MDHahn (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    This post is about the Republican party acting against the base — a plurality of which voted for Trump in the early primaries in the 2016 election and managed to get him through as the Republican nominee. The question is, do you believe the Republican party represents you in good faith, even when it apparently works against your interests (see Omnibus from hell and neutering of the already weak Republican majority in the House)?

    I will never vote for a Democrat, unlike some NTers. But, I will not vote for another Romney, McCain, Bush, Cheney pick from the establishment. As Gelernter says, I’m fed up. BTW, how does Mitch McConnell regard Ron DeSantis? And would DeSantis cave to the uniparty if he managed to get elected (he won’t; see aforementioned Trump loyalists)?

    If a plurality manages to push Trump through in the primaries, great. I’ll vote for him. If it becomes apparent that the party apparatus is choosing the candidate? No. The uniparty must be destroyed. It’s us or them.

    You keep saying that the party is going against the will of the voters, but you don’t recognize the contradiction in your comments.

    If Trump only manages a plurality, then by definition a majority of the GOP primary voters preferred someone other than Trump. He doesn’t have majority support in that scenario. So why is Trump the one who must be protected at all costs?

     

    Odd, because what I heard was a man who is not very articulate saying that if we don’t want a repeat of 2020 in 2024, we need to address the fraud that occurred. Of course, NTs tend to hear that as whining.

    As far as the GOPe choosing candidates, does anyone with a brain think that the voters don’t listen at all to The Turtle, Rove, Hogan, Christie, Kasich, Sununu, et. al when those fools tell us to “move on” from Trump. More important, if the voters don’t “move on” and Trump is the nominee, how many of the aforementioned will vote for the Democrat? I’d guess all of them.

    This is nonsense. Trump would rather blame everyone else than admit he lost. By all means keep harping on 2020 and see how that works out in a general election.

    I like Sununu, but he wouldn’t have a chance in a GOP primary. Neither would Hogan. I can’t believe you think they have any pull.

    By all means keep ignoring the fraud, tell us about moving on, and get another Democrat elected because you can’t see the truth. 

    Fools listen to them and the media give them a lot of attention. I can’t believe you don’t see that. Actually, . . . I can. 

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  20. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    You guys just saw elections stole in 2020 and again in 2022 and you think it is not going to happen in 2024 or when it does it will somehow be your / our / GOP / Trump fault.   Amazing.  Trump was the last GOP POTUS for a long long time.  He was not supposed to win and that is why the Left got so mad when he slipped by.  I suspect soon the senate and Congress will fall also to the same rigging methods and we can keep blaming “candidate quality” when the Left runs actual stroke victims that can not talk to victories.  But play a rigged games by rigged rules get rigged prizes.  

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  21. Hoyacon Member
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    You guys just saw elections stole in 2020 and again in 2022 and you think it is not going to happen in 2024 or when it does it will somehow be your / our / GOP / Trump fault. Amazing. Trump was the last GOP POTUS for a long long time. He was not supposed to win and that is why the Left got so mad when he slipped by. I suspect soon the senate and Congress will fall also to the same rigging methods and we can keep blaming “candidate quality” when the Left runs actual stroke victims that can not talk to victories. But play a rigged games by rigged rules get rigged prizes.

    If this were true, no Republican would win a close election— anywhere— ever.

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  22. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    You guys just saw elections stole in 2020 and again in 2022 and you think it is not going to happen in 2024 or when it does it will somehow be your / our / GOP / Trump fault. Amazing. Trump was the last GOP POTUS for a long long time. He was not supposed to win and that is why the Left got so mad when he slipped by. I suspect soon the senate and Congress will fall also to the same rigging methods and we can keep blaming “candidate quality” when the Left runs actual stroke victims that can not talk to victories. But play a rigged games by rigged rules get rigged prizes.

    If this were true, no Republican would win a close election— anywhere— ever.

    No, the cheating is effective in Democrat-controlled areas. It doesn’t work everywhere, but it doesn’t need to. Democrats own densely populated urban areas and that’s all they need, especially in presidential elections. 

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  23. MDHahn Coolidge
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    MDHahn (View Comment):
    I like Sununu

    And that right there is all that needs saying.

    Great rebuttal. I also said he’d have no chance. I know he’s out of the GOP mainstream. I’d rather have someone else run. 

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  24. Hoyacon Member
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    You guys just saw elections stole in 2020 and again in 2022 and you think it is not going to happen in 2024 or when it does it will somehow be your / our / GOP / Trump fault. Amazing. Trump was the last GOP POTUS for a long long time. He was not supposed to win and that is why the Left got so mad when he slipped by. I suspect soon the senate and Congress will fall also to the same rigging methods and we can keep blaming “candidate quality” when the Left runs actual stroke victims that can not talk to victories. But play a rigged games by rigged rules get rigged prizes.

    If this were true, no Republican would win a close election— anywhere— ever.

    No, the cheating is effective in Democrat-controlled areas. It doesn’t work everywhere, but it doesn’t need to. Democrats own densely populated urban areas and that’s all they need, especially in presidential elections.

    I can’t argue with that, but note that I was responding to the above gloom and doom scenario.

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  25. Hoyacon Member
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    Does the primary system that made DJT the nominee reflect the will of the voters?

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  26. Django Member
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    You guys just saw elections stole in 2020 and again in 2022 and you think it is not going to happen in 2024 or when it does it will somehow be your / our / GOP / Trump fault. Amazing. Trump was the last GOP POTUS for a long long time. He was not supposed to win and that is why the Left got so mad when he slipped by. I suspect soon the senate and Congress will fall also to the same rigging methods and we can keep blaming “candidate quality” when the Left runs actual stroke victims that can not talk to victories. But play a rigged games by rigged rules get rigged prizes.

    If this were true, no Republican would win a close election— anywhere— ever.

    The constant whining by Democrats after the 2016 election that less than 80K votes across three critical states was Trump’s margin of victory gave serious fraudsters the key. No need for fraud in CA, NY, MA, WA, OR. Those are safely Demo-rat. Pick three or four swing states such as WI, GA, AZ, and one or two others. That’s all they needed. Then, consider that there was one highly visible repub in WI who said we need to stop talking about fraud because it was destroying faith in the electoral system. Ya think? The GOPe doesn’t care. 

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  27. Western Chauvinist Member
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    MDHahn (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    MDHahn (View Comment):
    I like Sununu

    And that right there is all that needs saying.

    Great rebuttal. I also said he’d have no chance. I know he’s out of the GOP mainstream. I’d rather have someone else run.

    Thank you. I try for conciseness. 

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  28. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Does the primary system that made DJT the nominee reflect the will of the voters?

    It did, but it was a mistake by the lights of the GOPe. Ted Cruz was the second least approved candidate by the GOPe and once the race came down to the two of them, the GOPe assumed, mistakenly as it turns out, that Hillary was a foregone conclusion. 

    The party doesn’t like who Republican voters pick in the primaries. See complaints about “candidate quality” this year. Mitch pulled support from disapproved candidates across the country, making their defeat correspond nicely to the GOPe’s predictions and desires. The Republican establishment would rather lose with dignity than win with a fight.

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  29. MDHahn Coolidge
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    Django (View Comment):

    MDHahn (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    MDHahn (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    …..

     

    Odd, because what I heard was a man who is not very articulate saying that if we don’t want a repeat of 2020 in 2024, we need to address the fraud that occurred. Of course, NTs tend to hear that as whining.

    As far as the GOPe choosing candidates, does anyone with a brain think that the voters don’t listen at all to The Turtle, Rove, Hogan, Christie, Kasich, Sununu, et. al when those fools tell us to “move on” from Trump. More important, if the voters don’t “move on” and Trump is the nominee, how many of the aforementioned will vote for the Democrat? I’d guess all of them.

    This is nonsense. Trump would rather blame everyone else than admit he lost. By all means keep harping on 2020 and see how that works out in a general election.

    I like Sununu, but he wouldn’t have a chance in a GOP primary. Neither would Hogan. I can’t believe you think they have any pull.

    By all means keep ignoring the fraud, tell us about moving on, and get another Democrat elected because you can’t see the truth.

    Fools listen to them and the media give them a lot of attention. I can’t believe you don’t see that. Actually, . . . I can.

    What fraud?! I am getting sick and tired of hearing about this when it is so obviously a pathetic excuse for why your preferred candidate lost.

    Look at the vote totals in these states. Kari Lake lost while the Treasurer candidate won and the GOP sent 2 more representatives to Congress. It might just be that people didn’t like Lake. Otherwise, the dems are so freaking stupid that they can rig an election, but still lose seats in Congress. Same in Wisconsin. Michels lost while Johnson won again and we added to our majorities in the legislature and flipped a Congressional seat.

    I’m not saying that every election is perfect, but these grand conspiracy theories about rigged elections are dumb. They are disproved by the results. If they can be rigged you wouldn’t get results like AZ and WI. You’d get more uniform results. You can’t honestly tell me that dems didn’t want to beat Johnson just as badly as any other incumbent. Right or wrong, voters didn’t like a lot of these candidates and they lost.

    But we also saw great victories in 2022 where voters rewarded competency. No one saw a nearly 20 point win for DeSantis, but that’s what happened. Because he’s good at his job. Ditto Kemp and Abbott. 

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  30. Hoyacon Member
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Does the primary system that made DJT the nominee reflect the will of the voters?

    It did, but it was a mistake by the lights of the GOPe. Ted Cruz was the second least approved candidate by the GOPe and once the race came down to the two of them, the GOPe assumed, mistakenly as it turns out, that Hillary was a foregone conclusion.

    The party doesn’t like who Republican voters pick in the primaries. See complaints about “candidate quality” this year. Mitch pulled support from disapproved candidates across the country, making their defeat correspond nicely to the GOPe’s predictions and desires. The Republican establishment would rather lose with dignity than win with a fight.

    Gelernter, above, says he won’t support a party that “manifestly contravenes” the will of its voters.  I’m just trying to figure out how, in the arena of candidate selection, primaries, which are the product of votes, do that.  Trump may or may not be the nominee in ‘24, but, either way, it will reflect the “will” of those who vote.

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