Is Ukraine Winning the War Against Russia?

 

I have been reading recent posts on social media claiming that Ukraine is recapturing dozens of square miles of territory from Russia, Russian troops are taking heavy casualties, and many Russian troops are cut off from supply lines.

It seems that the western nations are pouring weapons into the Ukraine military, which has outperformed expectations in using these weapons to their advantage. It’s starting to look like Russia’s military is not the second best military in the world, but rather the second best military in Ukraine.

One doesn’t want to read too much into these social media reports of Ukraine’s success. Who knows what is really going on over there? But former General of the US Army in Europe, Ben Hodges, says that Ukraine will recapture Crimea in a year. He seems to have backed off his earlier prediction that Ukraine would retake all of the territory it lost after February 22, 2022, by the end of summer (which would be right about now, it would seem).

Still, I bet that if Putin had known how badly this invasion would go and how unified the liberal-democratic world would be in supporting Ukraine, he would not have ordered the invasion of Ukraine.  This shows how wars can start based on miscalculation, the underestimating of the opposition. In any case, we will have to watch over the next month or so to see if Ukraine is able to keep this counter-attack going.

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  1. RufusRJones Member
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    ***JUST REPORTING*** 

     

     

     

     

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  2. MiMac Thatcher
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    MiMac (View Comment):
    Russia is far more corrupt-not only do they rank lower than Ukraine in the typical surveys of corruption (ie more corrupt),

    We could spend all day having a link war because everybody knows that Wikipedia lies about everything.

    Corruption is widespread in Ukrainian society.[1][2] In 2012 Ernst & Young put Ukraine among the three most-corrupt nations from 43 surveyed—alongside Colombia and Brazil.[3][4] In 2015 The Guardian called Ukraine “the most corrupt nation in Europe”.[5] According to a poll conducted by Ernst & Young in 2017, experts considered Ukraine to be the ninth-most corrupt nation from 53 surveyed.[6] According to Transparency International‘s 2021 Corruption Perceptions Index, (a scale of least to most corrupt nations), Ukraine ranked 122nd out of 180 countries in 2021, the second most corrupt in Europe, with Russia the most at 136.[7]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_Ukraine

    I would say having your own corruption entry in Wikipedia is pretty bad.

    I didn’t say Ukraine has no corruption problem- but it is better than Russia and is in fact in the lower middle third of the world. In Europe it always stays out of last place b/c of Russia. It ranks about 2/3 the way down the list (lower meaning more corrupt). Russia consistently ranks lower- not exactly something to brag about but better than being more corrupt than Russia.

    The vastly improved Ukrainian response to the current Russian invasion (as opposed to 2014) highlights the difference in corruption with Russia. 

    https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2021

    her is the Wikipedia page on corruption index:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index

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  3. RufusRJones Member
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    MiMac (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    MiMac (View Comment):
    Russia is far more corrupt-not only do they rank lower than Ukraine in the typical surveys of corruption (ie more corrupt),

    We could spend all day having a link war because everybody knows that Wikipedia lies about everything.

    Corruption is widespread in Ukrainian society.[1][2] In 2012 Ernst & Young put Ukraine among the three most-corrupt nations from 43 surveyed—alongside Colombia and Brazil.[3][4] In 2015 The Guardian called Ukraine “the most corrupt nation in Europe”.[5] According to a poll conducted by Ernst & Young in 2017, experts considered Ukraine to be the ninth-most corrupt nation from 53 surveyed.[6] According to Transparency International‘s 2021 Corruption Perceptions Index, (a scale of least to most corrupt nations), Ukraine ranked 122nd out of 180 countries in 2021, the second most corrupt in Europe, with Russia the most at 136.[7]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_Ukraine

    I would say having your own corruption entry in Wikipedia is pretty bad.

    I didn’t say Ukraine has no corruption problem- but it is better than Russia and is in fact in the lower middle third of the world. In Europe it always stays out of last place b/c of Russia. It ranks about 2/3 the way down the list (lower meaning more corrupt). Russia consistently ranks lower- not exactly something to brag about but better than being more corrupt than Russia.

    The vastly improved Ukrainian response to the current Russian invasion (as opposed to 2014) highlights the difference in corruption with Russia.

    https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2021

    her is the Wikipedia page on corruption index:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index

    OK I’m calling this a tie because there are obviously different approaches to measuring corruption. ***I have no idea why this wasn’t brought up the last time everybody argued about it.*** 

    I seriously don’t care about dealing with corrupt countries as long as it doesn’t get in the way of what you are trying to do. I’m just not convinced about what is going on here, and I don’t see how anybody else is. 

    Really, you are stupid not to get in on whatever the median level of stealing from your fellow citizens is. How many exceptions to this are there? Singapore? What else?

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  4. RufusRJones Member
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    I don’t like this guy, and I never listen to him, but he’s really smart in his semi famous in the libertarian world. fyi 

     

    It’ll Be a Very Dangerous World if Putin is Defeated: Dave Collum

    67,505 views Sep 3, 2022 Professor of Organic Chemistry and notable geopolitical commentator Dave Collum joins the show to break down the intricacies of the Russia-Ukraine conflict that the media is too afraid to show you. Dave makes his case for NATO as the villain in the story and explains why so many fall into the trap of oversimplification when it comes to complex geopolitical

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qd-YAjFDZqA  

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  5. RufusRJones Member
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  6. MiMac Thatcher
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    Not the main threat but a major source of instability in the world. You have to have bad myopia not to notice it. In the 1930s Japan wasn’t the main threat either-that doesn’t mean we didn’t have to deal with it. 

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  7. RufusRJones Member
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    MiMac (View Comment):

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    Not the main threat but a major source of instability in the world. You have to have bad myopia not to notice it. In the 1930s Japan wasn’t the main threat either-that doesn’t mean we didn’t have to deal with it.

    Just for the record I haven’t listened to it. I don’t know if he’s any good at foreign policy. I know I’m not.  I don’t know where he’s going to say. That’s just me. If somebody at ricochet wants to listen to it and give their interpretation, that would be great. 

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  8. Phil Turmel Inactive
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    semi famous in the libertarian world

    Mwah-ha-ha-ha!!

    So, since a “famous libertarian” is an obscure eccentric in the real world, “semi-famous libertarian” must be barely distinguishable from a generic anonymous crank.

    Snort!

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  9. RufusRJones Member
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    Phil Turmel (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    semi famous in the libertarian world

    Mwah-ha-ha-ha!!

    So, since a “famous libertarian” is an obscure eccentric in the real world, “semi-famous libertarian” must be barely distinguishable from a generic anonymous crank.

    Snort!

    He gets a lot of interviews, but I don’t find him useful on the things I’m interested in. He may or may not be right about this. 

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  10. Percival Thatcher
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    Phil Turmel (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    semi famous in the libertarian world

    Mwah-ha-ha-ha!!

    So, since a “famous libertarian” is an obscure eccentric in the real world, “semi-famous libertarian” must be barely distinguishable from a generic anonymous crank.

    Snort!

    In my capacity as a former member of the Libertarian Party – fact check: true.

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  11. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

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    With all due respect to Molly Hemingway this has nothing to do with what is happening on the ground in Ukraine. It is Ukrainians fighting Russians that matters. They don’t give a flying [Redacted] about bots.

    A bot would say that.

    The point is, whether or not Ukraine is winning the ground war, it’s winning the propaganda war.

     

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  12. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    ***JUST REPORTING***

     

     

    He’s right. They’re not even hiding it.

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  13. Zafar Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):
    The point is, whether or not Ukraine is winning the ground war,

    Well, the Ukrainians did take a bunch of land near Kharkiv, so they may be turning it around there – for now; apparently the Russians are sending heavy equipment from their Central Military District (around Moscow), so….I don’t know what the next thing will be, though I suspect Russia declaring war may be one of the outcomes.

    it’s winning the propaganda war.

    In the West, but perhaps that’s where it matters.

     

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  14. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    Zafar (View Comment):

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    it’s winning the propaganda war.

    In the West, but perhaps that’s where it matters.

    Yep. We’re the ones sending them billions. God only knows where it ultimately ends up.

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  15. Percival Thatcher
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    it’s winning the propaganda war.

    In the West, but perhaps that’s where it matters.

    Yep. We’re the ones sending them billions. God only knows where it ultimately ends up.

    They spent enough of it in the right places to push the Russians out of territory that they dug in on.

    And those ammo dumps in Crimea aren’t just blowing themselves up …

    … on the other hand, those are Russian ammo dumps, so maybe they are just blowing themselves up.

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    From the Institute for the Study of War, September 10, 2022:

    “The Ukrainian counter offensive in Kharkiv Oblast is routing Russian forces and collapsing Russia’s northern Donbas axis.  Russian forces are not conducting a controlled withdrawal and are hurriedly fleeing southeastern Kharkiv Oblast to escape encirclement around Izyum.  Russian forces have previously weakened the northern Donbas axis by redeploying units from this area to Southern Ukraine, complicating efforts to slow the Ukrainian advance or at minimum deploy a covering force for the retreat.  Ukrainian gains are not confined to the Izyum area; Ukrainian forces reportedly captured Velikiy Burluk on September 10, which would place Ukrainian forces within 15 kilometers of the international border.  Ukrainian forces have penetrated Russian lines to a depth of up to 70 kilometers of territory in the past five days since September 6 – more territory than Russian forces have captured in all their operations since April.  

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  17. Percival Thatcher
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    September 9:

    Benefit payment disparities between among members of Russian volunteer units and BARS servicemen may cause rifts within combat forces. A wounded BARS serviceman published an appeal addressing the Chelyabinsk Oblast governor, stating that the oblast government failed pay him regional bonuses promised to other participants of the Russian “special military operation” in Ukraine.[65] Chelyabinsk Oblast officials, in turn, stated that regions only provide special bonus payments to recruits within the Chelyabinsk volunteer battalions. Russian opposition outlet Novaya Gazeta previously reported that although BARS elements and volunteer units are subordinate to the Russian Ministry of Defense under the same military contract, they may receive different payments.[66] The Ukrainian Strategic Communications Center also reported that BARS servicemen did not administratively have the Russian MoD as a specified payee on their military contacts, which overcomplicates bureaucratic processes such as filling for veteran benefits, medical treatment, and payments.[67] These complications are likely to degrade the effectiveness of Russian recruitment efforts and degrade morale among personnel who receive disparate benefits despite serving in similar capacities.

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  18. Locke On Member
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    Russia has officially announced a withdrawal from all of Kharkiv Oblast. They appear to have successfully broken contact on the northernmost part of the front and are pulling back to the border.  

    Little news from either side about actions east of the Oskil, or any Ukrainian advance eastward of the locked front from Severodonetsk area down to Donetsk area. Ukraine may have returned to the Lysychansk area, based on an announcement yesterday, but news of entry into Soverodonestsk was either rumor or deliberate misinformation, it appears.

    A couple Russian sources suggesting that Ukrainian is gathering another striking force positioned to attack towards Mariupol, but no battlefield news or Ukraine announcements to support that.

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  19. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
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    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    They conducted a poll in Germany asking German voters if Germany should continue to support Ukraine despite high energy prices.

    Overall the results were 70 percent yes and 21 percent no.

    When they broke it down by political party affiliation it was as follows:

    Greens 97 percent yes

    SPD 82 percent yes

    FDP 74 percent yes

    CDU/CSU 73 percent yes

    Left 59 percent yes

    AfD 30 percent yes

    I think this is a key item to keep track of.   I saw a report that Germany may loose 6 million jobs in the next 6 months due to collapse of industrial sector from lack of energy.   It is hard to know how people will react.   You know the saying, “a recession is when your neighbor loses their job and a depression is when you lose yours.”   Also, yikes with the Greens.  They want people to suffer.

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  20. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
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    I wonder if Chip Roy would be saying something different, if those defense industry contractors where in his district.

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    ***JUST REPORTING***

     

     

     

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    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    They conducted a poll in Germany asking German voters if Germany should continue to support Ukraine despite high energy prices.

    Overall the results were 70 percent yes and 21 percent no.

    When they broke it down by political party affiliation it was as follows:

    Greens 97 percent yes

    SPD 82 percent yes

    FDP 74 percent yes

    CDU/CSU 73 percent yes

    Left 59 percent yes

    AfD 30 percent yes

    I think this is a key item to keep track of. I saw a report that Germany may loose 6 million jobs in the next 6 months due to collapse of industrial sector from lack of energy. It is hard to know how people will react. You know the saying, “a recession is when your neighbor loses their job and a depression is when you lose yours.” Also, yikes with the Greens. They want people to suffer.

    A couple of thoughts.

    [1] What if that “report” you saw turns out to be wrong?  As Yogi Berra once said, “It’s dangerous to make predictions, especially about the future.”

    [2] What if Germany loses 6 million jobs in the next 6 months, but the nations of North America and Europe and also Australia continue to provide Ukraine with weapons and training?  

    It seems that as long as Ukraine continues to be supplied with weapons with which to attack Russia’s military, Russia’s military is going to cut and run as it has in the last 10 days or so.  

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  22. RufusRJones Member
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    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):
    I saw a report that Germany may loose 6 million jobs in the next 6 months due to collapse of industrial sector from lack of energy.   It is hard to know how people will react.   You know the saying, “a recession is when your neighbor loses their job and a depression is when you lose yours.” 

    This is one of the things they are talking about on the things I was listening to this morning. 

    It’s going to be a trick to manage this. In like two years or some thing, a whole bunch of LNG comes on line. But then another guy is saying the path downward is more permanent. There is just too much inflation and not enough production. 

    Supposedly part of our leverage is Putin is in desperate need of technical parts for technical things. 

    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):
    Also, yikes with the Greens.  They want people to suffer.

    One guy was saying that Angela Merkel’s politics created this. She doesn’t have a constituency. She’s sort of an at large politician. She could push anything anyway just so she could have more power and that’s all she did. She didn’t give a crap about the environment it just got her more votes and destroyed other politicians. She sounds like a real sicko. 

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    HeavyWater (View Comment):
    [2] What if Germany loses 6 million jobs in the next 6 months, but the nations of North America and Europe and also Australia continue to provide Ukraine with weapons and training? 

    People in Europe need to survive and pay for their excessive government. The next two years have a lot of risk of a human and financial catastrophe. One of the guys was saying that they are just screwed no matter what. That much chaos over there is not going to be good for us.

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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):
    [2] What if Germany loses 6 million jobs in the next 6 months, but the nations of North America and Europe and also Australia continue to provide Ukraine with weapons and training?

    People in Europe need to survive and pay for their excessive government. The next two years have a lot of risk of a human and financial catastrophe. One of the guys was saying that they are just screwed no matter what. That much chaos over there is not going to be good for us.

    You have to realize that some predictions of catastrophe don’t always happen on the timetable predicted.  

    Sure, it’s possible that these “experts” are correct and that Europe’s economies will collapse and Ukraine will be starved of new weapons.  

    But it’s also possible, perhaps even likely, that the weapons will continue to flow to Ukraine and Ukraine will continue to kick Russian butts out of more territory.  

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  25. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):
    [2] What if Germany loses 6 million jobs in the next 6 months, but the nations of North America and Europe and also Australia continue to provide Ukraine with weapons and training?

    People in Europe need to survive and pay for their excessive government. The next two years have a lot of risk of a human and financial catastrophe. One of the guys was saying that they are just screwed no matter what. That much chaos over there is not going to be good for us.

    You have to realize that some predictions of catastrophe don’t always happen on the timetable predicted.

    Sure, it’s possible that these “experts” are correct and that Europe’s economies will collapse and Ukraine will be starved of new weapons.

    But it’s also possible, perhaps even likely, that the weapons will continue to flow to Ukraine and Ukraine will continue to kick Russian butts out of more territory.

    He mentions a “human and financial catastrophe” and you’re talking about weapons.

    You can’t eat weapons. Well, a starving man might “eat a shotgun,” it’s true.

     

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  26. RufusRJones Member
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    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):
    [2] What if Germany loses 6 million jobs in the next 6 months, but the nations of North America and Europe and also Australia continue to provide Ukraine with weapons and training?

    People in Europe need to survive and pay for their excessive government. The next two years have a lot of risk of a human and financial catastrophe. One of the guys was saying that they are just screwed no matter what. That much chaos over there is not going to be good for us.

    You have to realize that some predictions of catastrophe don’t always happen on the timetable predicted.

    Sure, it’s possible that these “experts” are correct and that Europe’s economies will collapse and Ukraine will be starved of new weapons.

    But it’s also possible, perhaps even likely, that the weapons will continue to flow to Ukraine and Ukraine will continue to kick Russian butts out of more territory.

    First of all spare me the quotation marks with experts. They are. These guys are highly compensated investment people. Even the guy that was in your camp more, even said he doesn’t give a you know what about anybody in Europe, it was just cold analysis. Also, you aren’t one of the top analysts on ricochet about anything except this, possibly. Not even close. 

    I was listening to four different guys over three hours. None of it was shallow or bumper sticker. I chose my words carefully. 

    Say Ukraine wins. Like I said Putin needs to retaliate and the economies are very over a barrel. Arguably it’s a Mexican standoff that nobody understands what is going to happen. 

    One guy was really pessimistic about the path forward. If he’s right, it’s going to be the Federal Reserve paying for Ukraine rebuilding. 

     

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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):
    [2] What if Germany loses 6 million jobs in the next 6 months, but the nations of North America and Europe and also Australia continue to provide Ukraine with weapons and training?

    People in Europe need to survive and pay for their excessive government. The next two years have a lot of risk of a human and financial catastrophe. One of the guys was saying that they are just screwed no matter what. That much chaos over there is not going to be good for us.

    You have to realize that some predictions of catastrophe don’t always happen on the timetable predicted.

    Sure, it’s possible that these “experts” are correct and that Europe’s economies will collapse and Ukraine will be starved of new weapons.

    But it’s also possible, perhaps even likely, that the weapons will continue to flow to Ukraine and Ukraine will continue to kick Russian butts out of more territory.

    He mentions a “human and financial catastrophe” and you’re talking about weapons.

    You can’t eat weapons. Well, a starving man might “eat a shotgun,” it’s true.

    Exactly. There are a lot of balls in the air right now. Let it play out.

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  28. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    If he’s right, it’s going to be the Federal Reserve paying for Ukraine rebuilding. 

    No doubt in my mind. We’ll be rebuilding Ukraine for decades, while our own people struggle to keep the lights on. Want a sure-fire way to create more anger from citizens against the U.S. government? This is how you do it.

    And most of it will be laundered through NGOs and back to the personal coffers of international oligarchs.

     

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    This is what I was listening to. You can get parts of it on iTunes. Grant Williams podcast. Otherwise it’s $120 a year. He has 5000 subscribers. The other one that I would probably recommend more for an audience that doesn’t have finance expertise, is hidden forces. That guy gives away half of his show every time on iTunes. Really good.

    In this special edition of This Week In Doom, Grant and The Green Chicken are joined by Luke Gromen of Forest For The Trees LLC, Marko Papic of Clocktower Group and special guest Sir Steven Wilkinson, author of The Pitchfork Papers, for a discussion on the EU’s creaking energy policy, the effects of sanctions against Russia in the wake of the invasion of Ukraine and what it all means for the future of Europe.

    In a two-hour debate filled with insightful analysis, respectful disagreement and thoughtful perspective, we explored multiple facets of the current situation, picked apart the potential outcomes and tried to handicap the likely paths that may be taken from here.

    Finally, as the discussion turned to Germany’s role in how this all plays out, we welcomed Sir Steven who gave us the benefit of his near-30 years experience building and operating businesses in Germany.

    https://www.grant-williams.com/podcast/this-week-in-doom-9-whats-next-for-europe/

    The latest episode of The Grant Williams Podcast features the wonderful personality and profound intellect of Sir Steven Wilkinson – a man I’ve admired for a long time and who, earlier this year, I had the great pleasure of spending a day with as part of the Gold Tier About Time series.

    The genesis of this particular conversation was, as you’ll hear, Steven graciously pointing out to me where I was completely wrong in my thinking about the EU and, in particular, Germany.

    Having read my last Things That Make You Go Hmmm… and listened to my recent appearance on the excellent Wall Street Silver/Doomberg Spaces to discuss my thoughts on Europe, Steven contacted me to explain where I was off-beam.

    Needless to say, I thought my dressing down should be a) public and b) form the basis for a conversation that would make sure everybody ended up better-informed (with the possible exception of Steven!)…

    https://www.grant-williams.com/podcast/steven-wilkinson/

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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    If he’s right, it’s going to be the Federal Reserve paying for Ukraine rebuilding.

    No doubt in my mind. We’ll be rebuilding Ukraine for decades, while our own people struggle to keep the lights on. Want a sure-fire way to create more anger from citizens against the U.S. government? This is how you do it.

    And most of it will be laundered through NGOs and back to the personal coffers of international oligarchs.

     

    People need to realize something. All of the west problems have been shifted to the government. Now they are trying to shift them to the central banks. There is no Central Bank on Mars for our central bank. Then on top of that we are behind on capital expenditure on probably every single commodity. Supposedly oil is seven years behind.

    Socialism, finance, debt growth, and money printing was fun while it lasted. 

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