Is Ukraine Winning the War Against Russia?

 

I have been reading recent posts on social media claiming that Ukraine is recapturing dozens of square miles of territory from Russia, Russian troops are taking heavy casualties, and many Russian troops are cut off from supply lines.

It seems that the western nations are pouring weapons into the Ukraine military, which has outperformed expectations in using these weapons to their advantage. It’s starting to look like Russia’s military is not the second best military in the world, but rather the second best military in Ukraine.

One doesn’t want to read too much into these social media reports of Ukraine’s success. Who knows what is really going on over there? But former General of the US Army in Europe, Ben Hodges, says that Ukraine will recapture Crimea in a year. He seems to have backed off his earlier prediction that Ukraine would retake all of the territory it lost after February 22, 2022, by the end of summer (which would be right about now, it would seem).

Still, I bet that if Putin had known how badly this invasion would go and how unified the liberal-democratic world would be in supporting Ukraine, he would not have ordered the invasion of Ukraine.  This shows how wars can start based on miscalculation, the underestimating of the opposition. In any case, we will have to watch over the next month or so to see if Ukraine is able to keep this counter-attack going.

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  1. HeavyWater Inactive
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    It’s amazing that the biggest conflict in Europe since World War 2 is happening because someone who was a mid-level KGB agent thought that he could recreate an empire that already failed multiple times.  

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  2. HeavyWater Inactive
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):
    So, on balance it much better to live in a country where your government doesn’t prevent you from spending your money the way you want to spend it, even if this means you occasionally purchase foreign goods.

    So why did illegal migration from Mexico to the US increase after NAFTA? It wasn’t, on balance, better for those Mexicans who became migrants – or even, judging by wages, that great for the Mexicans who remained in less skilled jobs.

    As I mentioned, specific trade “deals” might be good or bad, depending on the specifics.  Also, we shouldn’t think that because event A preceded data point B that event A caused data point B to happen. 

    So, maybe there was some other economic shock that damaged Mexico’s economy at some time near the passage of NAFTA and this caused the increase in illegal immigration.  

    I’m not saying that this is the case, but just saying that it is sloppy reasoning to say that because illegal immigration increased after NAFTA passed, well, then NAFTA’s passaged much have caused the increase in illegal immigration.  

    If a dog barks and the sun rises 10 minutes later, the dog didn’t necessarily cause the sun to rise.  

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  3. Percival Thatcher
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Watched the update on Military Summary – and however they [he] spin[s] it, this seems like a set back for Russia.

    One possible response: Russia declares war (which it hasn’t done yet) and starts a general conscription.

    MS also reported (previously) that a lot of military vehicles were being stored in Kharkiv’s underground system – so they were right there, ready for use, which makes me think this was planned well in advance.

    Whose vehicles?

    According to him controlled by Ukraine.

    When did the vehicles end up in the subway? When the people of Kharkiv were using the tunnels as air raid shelters? Did the Ukrainians park them down there when the Russians were taking  the city? Did the Ukrainians drive them in when the Russians weren’t looking? I can’t make that make sense in my head.

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  4. HeavyWater Inactive
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):
    So, on balance it much better to live in a country where your government doesn’t prevent you from spending your money the way you want to spend it, even if this means you occasionally purchase foreign goods.

    So why did illegal migration from Mexico to the US increase after NAFTA? It wasn’t, on balance, better for those Mexicans who became migrants – or even, judging by wages, that great for the Mexicans who remained in less skilled jobs.

    Also, open trade doesn’t benefit everyone equally.  If I am a sugar farmer and my government begins to allow people in my country to purchase foreign sugar, my profits might go down significantly even as consumers of sugar benefit from more competition.  

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  5. HeavyWater Inactive
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    Percival (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Watched the update on Military Summary – and however they [he] spin[s] it, this seems like a set back for Russia.

    One possible response: Russia declares war (which it hasn’t done yet) and starts a general conscription.

    MS also reported (previously) that a lot of military vehicles were being stored in Kharkiv’s underground system – so they were right there, ready for use, which makes me think this was planned well in advance.

    Whose vehicles?

    According to him controlled by Ukraine.

    When did the vehicles end up in the subway? When the people of Kharkiv were using the tunnels as air raid shelters? Did the Ukrainians park them down there when the Russians were taking the city? Did the Ukrainians drive them in when the Russians weren’t looking? I can’t make that make sense in my head.

    I don’t know if the Russians ever conquered all of Kharkiv.  

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  6. Zafar Member
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    Percival (View Comment):
    When did the vehicles end up in the subway? When the people of Kharkiv were using the tunnels as air raid shelters? Did the Ukrainians park them down there when the Russians were taking  the city?

    I don’t think they’ve taken the city. ??

    Did the Ukrainians drive them in when the Russians weren’t looking? I can’t make that make sense in my head.

    There are military vehicles all over Ukraine.  Maybe Russia should be tracking them all, but I have a feeling they aren’t.

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  7. HeavyWater Inactive
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    They conducted a poll in Germany asking German voters if Germany should continue to support Ukraine despite high energy prices.  

    Overall the results were 70 percent yes and 21 percent no.  

    When they broke it down by political party affiliation it was as follows:

    Greens 97 percent yes

    SPD 82 percent yes

    FDP 74 percent yes

    CDU/CSU 73 percent yes

    Left 59 percent yes

    AfD 30 percent yes

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  8. E. Kent Golding Moderator
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    I suspect the Russians would be more motivated in defending Russia than attacking another country.    And I suspect the Ukrainians are extra motivated because they are defending their country rather than attacking another.   

     

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  9. Doug Watt Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    With all due respect to Molly Hemingway this has nothing to do with what is happening on the ground in Ukraine. It is Ukrainians fighting Russians that matters. They don’t give a flying [Redacted] about bots.

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  10. Zafar Member
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    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    With all due respect to Molly Hemingway this has nothing to do with what is happening on the ground in Ukraine. It is Ukrainians fighting Russians that matters. They don’t give a flying [Redacted] about bots.

    If bots shore up support for Ukraine, thereby keeping weapons and funding flowing, they would be foolish to disregard their impact.

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  11. Zafar Member
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    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    They conducted a poll in Germany asking German voters if Germany should continue to support Ukraine despite high energy prices.

    Overall the results were 70 percent yes and 21 percent no.

    When they broke it down by political party affiliation it was as follows:

    Greens 97 percent yes

    SPD 82 percent yes

    FDP 74 percent yes

    CDU/CSU 73 percent yes

    Left 59 percent yes

    AfD 30 percent yes

    Wir schaffen das.

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  12. Saint Augustine Member
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    HeavyWater:

    It’s starting to look like Russia’s military is not the 2nd best military in the world, but rather the 2nd best military in Ukraine.  

    That sentence is epically awesome.

    Inshallah, maybe it’s even true.

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  13. Locke On Member
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    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Watched the update on Military Summary – and however they [he] spin[s] it, this seems like a set back for Russia.

    One possible response: Russia declares war (which it hasn’t done yet) and starts a general conscription.

    MS also reported (previously) that a lot of military vehicles were being stored in Kharkiv’s underground system – so they were right there, ready for use, which makes me think this was planned well in advance.

    Whose vehicles?

    According to him controlled by Ukraine.

    When did the vehicles end up in the subway? When the people of Kharkiv were using the tunnels as air raid shelters? Did the Ukrainians park them down there when the Russians were taking the city? Did the Ukrainians drive them in when the Russians weren’t looking? I can’t make that make sense in my head.

    I don’t know if the Russians ever conquered all of Kharkiv.

    They didn’t, they were stopped on the outskirts of Kharkiv city, and shelled the **** out of it. The occupation of parts of the oblast west of the city was abandoned when the Russians retreated from the Kyiv attack.

    Possible origin of the rumor: Apparently some of the gigantic, little maintained parks of Soviet military hardware were in Ukraine and were abandoned in place when the USSR fell.  More than Ukraine had any use for. A large chunk of it they refurbed and sold overseas, trying to bootstrap an arms business.  Could be there was still a substantial amount of it left, and there’s been enough time since the start of this round of warfare for some of it to be pulled out of storage and put back into fighting order. Ukraine has been cleaning up captured vehicles and putting them into combat, why wouldn’t they be doing that with stuff they already owned?

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  14. MiMac Thatcher
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Ukraine has the most corruption per GDP output of any country on the planet. It has something to do with being very poor and overlaying the natural gas business over it. Plus the crappy government. I read an article about it. I think they were distinguishing it from something like Nigeria or places where average citizens are more involved and affected.

    Russia is far more corrupt-not only do they rank lower than Ukraine  in the typical surveys of corruption (ie more corrupt), just look at their azart radio- it is actually just a plastic case with a fake screen & dummy buttons over a cheap Chinese radio:

    someone sold this garbage to the Russian army & it has lead to serious problems with operational security & the deaths of a number of their soldiers.

    addendum- found the link I wanted:

     

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  15. MiMac Thatcher
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Some people never got over Red Dawn.

    some people never got over Ten Days that Shook the World.

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  16. MiMac Thatcher
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    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    HeavyWater:

    It’s starting to look like Russia’s military is not the 2nd best military in the world, but rather the 2nd best military in Ukraine.

    That sentence is epically awesome.

    Inshallah, maybe it’s even true.

    But stolen from Ben Hodges….

    https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-will-retake-crimea-within-year-former-us-europe-general-says-1741204

    “Here we are, half a year after the start of the full scale Russian invasion, and the supposed second-best army in the world is now the second-best army in Ukraine,” Hodges said.

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  17. Percival Thatcher
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    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    HeavyWater:

    It’s starting to look like Russia’s military is not the 2nd best military in the world, but rather the 2nd best military in Ukraine.

    That sentence is epically awesome.

    Inshallah, maybe it’s even true.

    In terms if quality, it is absolutely true. They only look like Ukrainians and talk like Ukrainians. When the Russian tanks started rolling towards Kviv, they turned into Finns.

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  18. Percival Thatcher
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):
    When did the vehicles end up in the subway? When the people of Kharkiv were using the tunnels as air raid shelters? Did the Ukrainians park them down there when the Russians were taking the city?

    I don’t think they’ve taken the city. ??

    Did the Ukrainians drive them in when the Russians weren’t looking? I can’t make that make sense in my head.

    There are military vehicles all over Ukraine. Maybe Russia should be tracking them all, but I have a feeling they aren’t.

    The Russians took the city. Before that, civilians spent a lot of time down there because even if the Russians were to be fastidious about avoiding civilian casualties (hey, there’s a first time for everything) their aim isn’t very good. Then the Russians took the city and installed a puppet mayor. Ukrainian vehicles in the subway sound a little like the British parachutists in cousin Sonny’s mother-in-law’s attic. She heard them best when she’d been drinking.

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  19. Zafar Member
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    Percival (View Comment):
    The Russians took the city. Before that, civilians spent a lot of time down there because even if the Russians were to be fastidious about avoiding civilian casualties (hey, there’s a first time for everything) their aim isn’t very good. Then the Russians took the city and installed a puppet mayor. Ukrainian vehicles in the subway sound a little like the British parachutists in cousin Sonny’s mother-in-law’s attic. She heard them best when she’d been drinking.

    Are you sure you aren’t thinking of Kherson?  I know the Russians fought in Kharkiv but I don’t think they ever controlled it or installed a mayor.

    Edited to add: the Russians did install a mayor of the portion of Kharkiv Oblast that they controlled, but that didn’t include the city of Kharkiv.

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  20. Percival Thatcher
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):
    The Russians took the city. Before that, civilians spent a lot of time down there because even if the Russians were to be fastidious about avoiding civilian casualties (hey, there’s a first time for everything) their aim isn’t very good. Then the Russians took the city and installed a puppet mayor. Ukrainian vehicles in the subway sound a little like the British parachutists in cousin Sonny’s mother-in-law’s attic. She heard them best when she’d been drinking.

    Are you sure you aren’t thinking of Kherson? I know the Russians fought in Kharkiv but I don’t think they ever controlled it or installed a mayor.

    Edited to add: the Russians did install a mayor of the portion of Kharkiv Oblast that they controlled, but that didn’t include the city of Kharkiv.

    Ah, that’s it. All these towns starting with Ks are all alike. Kviv, Kharkiv, Kalamazoo, Kherson …

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  21. Zafar Member
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    Zelensky Zaluzhny…it just goes on and on.  And all these leaders named some version of Vlad…

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  22. Locke On Member
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    Zelensky Zaluzhny…it just goes on and on. And all these leaders named some version of Vlad…

    I was informed by a Russian / Ukrainian speaker on another board, when I complained about the zillion different spelling of each dinky village, that not only do transliterations vary, but also the names can be inflected when used in a sentence, and said dinky villages not infrequently change their names. Yikes! For now, I am adopting the Google Map standard – whatever’s on the map, that’s what I’m using. Then I can just blame them.

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  23. James Lileks Contributor
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    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    It’s amazing that the biggest conflict in Europe since World War 2 is happening because someone who was a mid-level KGB agent thought that he could recreate an empire that already failed multiple times.

    Real Russian hegemony has never been tried, so you can’t say it failed. 

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  24. Zafar Member
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    Locke On (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Zelensky Zaluzhny…it just goes on and on. And all these leaders named some version of Vlad…

    I was informed by a Russian / Ukrainian speaker on another board, when I complained about the zillion different spelling of each dinky village, that not only do transliterations vary, but also the names can be inflected when used in a sentence, and said dinky villages not infrequently change their names. Yikes! For now, I am adopting the Google Map standard – whatever’s on the map, that’s what I’m using. Then I can just blame them.

    Plus: how many Myrna Dolynas are there, anyway?

    (Frankly you’re lucky this isn’t happening in South India, or we would be trying to navigate the doings of Mr Subramanian and Mr Subramaniam – both legit names.)

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  25. Zafar Member
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    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    It’s amazing that the biggest conflict in Europe since World War 2 is happening because someone who was a mid-level KGB agent thought that he could recreate an empire that already failed multiple times.

    All empires eventually fail –  but the drivers of the Russian State’s desire for a land empire remain.

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  26. RufusRJones Member
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    Trade is always good as long as your system is set up for lower prices from trade. Politically it’s a lot harder than that.

    I would tend to agree, but there are constraints. In Mexico, for eg, small farmers couldn’t compete with corn imported from the US so they went out of business. In theory they should have moved to work in factories but there weren’t enough factories, or they weren’t equipped to work in the factories there were, so they….went North. Which is arguably an unforseen consequence of NAFTA, and probably isn’t that great for the US or for Mexico.

    Edited to add: imo the reason that Erdogan has (and perhaps even those before him have) been able to keep public dissent manageable despite economic catastrophe is that Turkey’s customs union with the EU is mostly for industrial products – it excludes food (except for processed stuff), which keeps farmers working and food affordable in Turkey.

    If the whole country gets lower prices everybody is better off in aggregate. 

    I believe in the Austrian view, and hardly anybody else gets it.

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  27. RufusRJones Member
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    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    Trade is always good as long as your system is set up for lower prices from trade. Politically it’s a lot harder than that.

    I would tend to agree, but there are constraints. In Mexico, for eg, small farmers couldn’t compete with corn imported from the US so they went out of business. In theory they should have moved to work in factories but there weren’t enough factories, or they weren’t equipped to work in the factories there were, so they….went North. Which is arguably an unforseen consequence of NAFTA, and probably isn’t that great for the US or for Mexico.

    Let’s say that all of your crops have failed in your country due to terrible weather. Would you like it if your government placed trade restrictions such that you were unable to purchase food from foreign countries, allowing you to starve to death? I would guess that you would prefer, in that case, that your government allow trade between your country and other countries so that you could purchase the food you need to stay alive.

    Similarly, if your local auto industry is producing lousy cars that always break down and you want to purchase a car from another country that has a reputation of being comfortable and easy to maintain, you might get mad if your government placed restrictions so that you can’t purchase a car from a foreign country.

    So, on balance it much better to live in a country where your government doesn’t prevent you from spending your money the way you want to spend it, even if this means you occasionally purchase foreign goods.

    All of the central banks could create inflation at the same time, too!

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  28. RufusRJones Member
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):
    So, on balance it much better to live in a country where your government doesn’t prevent you from spending your money the way you want to spend it, even if this means you occasionally purchase foreign goods.

    So why did illegal migration from Mexico to the US increase after NAFTA? It wasn’t, on balance, better for those Mexicans who became migrants – or even, judging by wages, that great for the Mexicans who remained in less skilled jobs.

    Because they aren’t politically set up for deflation. Nobody is.

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  29. RufusRJones Member
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    MiMac (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Ukraine has the most corruption per GDP output of any country on the planet. It has something to do with being very poor and overlaying the natural gas business over it. Plus the crappy government. I read an article about it. I think they were distinguishing it from something like Nigeria or places where average citizens are more involved and affected.

    Russia is far more corrupt-not only do they rank lower than Ukraine  in the typical surveys of corruption (ie more corrupt)

    First of all I chose my words very carefully. That is what the article said. It’s the structure of the economy plus the fact that the country is really poor plus the government. Second of all, you can’t tell me that the corruption in Ukraine isn’t problematic. 

    Really? You have got data that shows that Ukraine is less corrupt than Russia? 

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  30. RufusRJones Member
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    MiMac (View Comment):
    Russia is far more corrupt-not only do they rank lower than Ukraine  in the typical surveys of corruption (ie more corrupt),

    We could spend all day having a link war because everybody knows that Wikipedia lies about everything.

    Corruption is widespread in Ukrainian society.[1][2] In 2012 Ernst & Young put Ukraine among the three most-corrupt nations from 43 surveyed—alongside Colombia and Brazil.[3][4] In 2015 The Guardian called Ukraine “the most corrupt nation in Europe”.[5] According to a poll conducted by Ernst & Young in 2017, experts considered Ukraine to be the ninth-most corrupt nation from 53 surveyed.[6] According to Transparency International‘s 2021 Corruption Perceptions Index, (a scale of least to most corrupt nations), Ukraine ranked 122nd out of 180 countries in 2021, the second most corrupt in Europe, with Russia the most at 136.[7]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_Ukraine

    I would say having your own corruption entry in Wikipedia is pretty bad.

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