The FBI Rigged the 2020 Election

 

This is who the FBI is. The FBI helped stack the deck for Joe Biden. They requested major tech sites censor information about Biden corruption as “Russian disinformation.” The FBI knew the Russia hoax was a hoax. Yet they still worked in concert with big business to censor information damaging to the Biden crime family as a Russian plot. 

Where are the whistle-blowers? Where are the resignations of protest? Where are the signed letters from the rank and file demanding new or unbiased leadership? Where are the letters from former agents denouncing this behavior? The whole place is corrupt from top to bottom. It is irredeemable. This agency kept a hoax against Trump going for two years despite there being no evidence. They suppressed real criminal behavior to help a candidate get into the White House. 

This agency doesn’t deserve to exist. The American people should not have our representatives send them one more dollar. This is not what our veterans died and sacrificed for. We do not need some corrupt agency influencing the outcomes of our elections. We do not need unelected bureaucrats tipping the scales in their favor against what the populace wants or needs. This agency is trash. This is who they are. And I won’t hold breath waiting for them to raid or indict Hunter Biden anytime soon. 10% for the big guy is no problem to them. Trump having the full authority to take documents as president and as every president has done is now a problem for the FBI. 

The American people should not be funding our own abuse and corruption of our own political way of life. It is time to take their resources and hand them to people more worthy. This country is need of massive restructuring. Part of freedom is the ability to mold our institutions or abolish them if we so wish. When we have to fund a corrupt national security state that abuses us and wins at not being accountable or touched in any fashion, then we aren’t a free country. And we need not show loyalty and respect to the nameless and faceless agents of institutions that show no respect for the people or their way of life. 

We fund Washington so it may serve us. It doesn’t serve us at all. It doesn’t protect our borders and not even our elections anymore as it assaults our culture with LGBT degeneracy. Why have a federal government at this point? 

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  1. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill
    @CarolJoy

    Sadly, the FBI didn’t get away with all the activities its people were involved with inside a vacuum.

    If there were mainstream news orgs who employed actual journalists, the immorality and criminality of this agency would have been denounced from newspaper headlines to video clips on TV’s “news at 11.”

    But we all know our nation has a shortage of  real journalists.

    You wrote: “When we have to fund a corrupt national security state that abuses us and wins at not being accountable or touched in any fashion, then we aren’t a free country. And we need not show loyalty and respect to the nameless and faceless agents of institutions that show no respect for the people or their way of life.”

    Yet the media is now pushing the dual  framework of “not much to see or think about with regards to the raid at Mar-A-Lago” and adding in “but as Americans, we must remember to always treat the brave men and women at the FBI with total respect.” And by “the media” I am meaning the Talking Heads at the Fox News Network!

    Meanwhile, to  its credit,  “The Federalist” recently  put out a comprehensive review of all the slime baggy things the FBI has done since the Summer of 2016.

    It might make a thinking person mad to try and comprehend the vastness of the template that the FBI operated by in its attempts to “get Trump.” Plus if someone had said back when it first came out in 2017 that these operations were under way, and that apparently there was a conspiracy that was on going against Trump, that person would be called a “conspiracy theorist.”

    Here is the article by “The Federalist:”

    https://thefederalist.com/2022/08/19/think-the-fbi-deserves-the-benefit-of-the-doubt-this-laundry-list-of-corruption-should-make-you-think-again/

    But remember — if you should start seething with anger over the corruption exhibited by the FBI, Fox news suggest we always speak of and think of the brave agents of the FBI with total respect!

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  2. Gossamer Cat Coolidge
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    @GossamerCat

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    If there were mainstream news orgs who employed actual journalists, the immorality and criminality of this agency would have been denounced from newspaper headlines to video clips on TV’s “news at 11.”

    But we all know our nation has a shortage of  real journalists.

    And without them, there will be no change because there will be no pressure from more than half of the people.

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  3. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
    DaveSchmidt
    @DaveSchmidt

    Yeah, but they were only following orders. 

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  4. TBA Coolidge
    TBA
    @RobtGilsdorf

    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    Yeah, but they were only following orders.

    Well that is honorable indeed. 

    So is falling on their swords. They can start any time. 

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  5. Columbo Member
    Columbo
    @Columbo

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  6. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot) Member
    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot)
    @ArizonaPatriot

    I agree with your concerns, Glen, but I don’t think that “rigged” is the right word to use.

    To me, “rigged” suggests violating the voting rules, or changing those rules in an improper way.  Your concerns seem to relate to the suppression of true information unfavorable to one side, and the dissemination of false information unfavorable to the other side.  This is bad behavior, but not “rigging,” in my view.

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  7. GlennAmurgis Coolidge
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    @GlennAmurgis

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I agree with your concerns, Glen, but I don’t think that “rigged” is the right word to use.

    To me, “rigged” suggests violating the voting rules, or changing those rules in an improper way. Your concerns seem to relate to the suppression of true information unfavorable to one side, and the dissemination of false information unfavorable to the other side. This is bad behavior, but not “rigging,” in my view.

    They also impacted 2016 and the first 2 years of Trump Admin

    I would use their own favorite word – they pushed disinformation  (e.g. the Steele Dossier)

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  8. BDB Coolidge
    BDB
    @BDB

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I agree with your concerns, Glen, but I don’t think that “rigged” is the right word to use.

    To me, “rigged” suggests violating the voting rules, or changing those rules in an improper way. Your concerns seem to relate to the suppression of true information unfavorable to one side, and the dissemination of false information unfavorable to the other side. This is bad behavior, but not “rigging,” in my view.

    You are welcome to define away whatever you wish for your own purposes.  This is absolutely rigging an election.  This is the government itself putting its thumb on the scale.

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  9. Henry Castaigne Member
    Henry Castaigne
    @HenryCastaigne

    BDB (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I agree with your concerns, Glen, but I don’t think that “rigged” is the right word to use.

    To me, “rigged” suggests violating the voting rules, or changing those rules in an improper way. Your concerns seem to relate to the suppression of true information unfavorable to one side, and the dissemination of false information unfavorable to the other side. This is bad behavior, but not “rigging,” in my view.

    You are welcome to define away whatever you wish for your own purposes. This is absolutely rigging an election. This is the government itself putting its thumb on the scale.

    Gotta go with BDB here. Making up false crimes and suppressing reporting on real crimes is about the opposite of what the FBI should do.

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  10. Steven Seward Member
    Steven Seward
    @StevenSeward

    GlenEisenhardt:

    Where are the whistle-blowers?

    There are in fact 14 Whistle-blowers coming from the FBI ranks as of my last count.  There may be more by now.  It is already an unprecedented number.  They are saying stuff about how the FBI leadership told them to suppress the Hunter Biden investigation before the election and how they tried to help Hillary win in 2016.  I think, though I am not sure, that some of them are even talking about the raid on Mara Lago.

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  11. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot) Member
    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot)
    @ArizonaPatriot

    BDB (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I agree with your concerns, Glen, but I don’t think that “rigged” is the right word to use.

    To me, “rigged” suggests violating the voting rules, or changing those rules in an improper way. Your concerns seem to relate to the suppression of true information unfavorable to one side, and the dissemination of false information unfavorable to the other side. This is bad behavior, but not “rigging,” in my view.

    You are welcome to define away whatever you wish for your own purposes. This is absolutely rigging an election. This is the government itself putting its thumb on the scale.

    I think that you’re wrong about this.  I think that y’all are changing the definitions of words.  This is a bad thing.  It makes it difficult to communicate.

    Not all bad things are the same thing.  I think that it’s important to be precise.

    Spreading false information is not “rigging” an election.  It’s actually an exercise in freedom of speech.  It is bad, and corrupt, if a government agency is making false statements relating to an election.

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  12. GlennAmurgis Coolidge
    GlennAmurgis
    @GlennAmurgis

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I agree with your concerns, Glen, but I don’t think that “rigged” is the right word to use.

    To me, “rigged” suggests violating the voting rules, or changing those rules in an improper way. Your concerns seem to relate to the suppression of true information unfavorable to one side, and the dissemination of false information unfavorable to the other side. This is bad behavior, but not “rigging,” in my view.

    You are welcome to define away whatever you wish for your own purposes. This is absolutely rigging an election. This is the government itself putting its thumb on the scale.

    I think that you’re wrong about this. I think that y’all are changing the definitions of words. This is a bad thing. It makes it difficult to communicate.

    Not all bad things are the same thing. I think that it’s important to be precise.

    Spreading false information is not “rigging” an election. It’s actually an exercise in freedom of speech. It is bad, and corrupt, if a government agency is making false statements relating to an election.

    esp when this entity has the ability to arrest you if you gave the same level of “disinformation” when they question you

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  13. BDB Coolidge
    BDB
    @BDB

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I agree with your concerns, Glen, but I don’t think that “rigged” is the right word to use.

    To me, “rigged” suggests violating the voting rules, or changing those rules in an improper way. Your concerns seem to relate to the suppression of true information unfavorable to one side, and the dissemination of false information unfavorable to the other side. This is bad behavior, but not “rigging,” in my view.

    You are welcome to define away whatever you wish for your own purposes. This is absolutely rigging an election. This is the government itself putting its thumb on the scale.

    I think that you’re wrong about this. I think that y’all are changing the definitions of words. This is a bad thing. It makes it difficult to communicate.

    Not all bad things are the same thing. I think that it’s important to be precise.

    Spreading false information is not “rigging” an election. It’s actually an exercise in freedom of speech. It is bad, and corrupt, if a government agency is making false statements relating to an election.

    So you keep saying.  You’re wrong and bafflingly so, and you’re welcome to your opinion.

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  14. kedavis Inactive
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I agree with your concerns, Glen, but I don’t think that “rigged” is the right word to use.

    To me, “rigged” suggests violating the voting rules, or changing those rules in an improper way. Your concerns seem to relate to the suppression of true information unfavorable to one side, and the dissemination of false information unfavorable to the other side. This is bad behavior, but not “rigging,” in my view.

    I would submit that it qualifies as “rigging” if it’s done basically “under color of authority.”

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  15. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    @DaveSchmidt

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I agree with your concerns, Glen, but I don’t think that “rigged” is the right word to use.

    To me, “rigged” suggests violating the voting rules, or changing those rules in an improper way. Your concerns seem to relate to the suppression of true information unfavorable to one side, and the dissemination of false information unfavorable to the other side. This is bad behavior, but not “rigging,” in my view.

    You are welcome to define away whatever you wish for your own purposes. This is absolutely rigging an election. This is the government itself putting its thumb on the scale.

    I think that you’re wrong about this. I think that y’all are changing the definitions of words. This is a bad thing. It makes it difficult to communicate.

    Not all bad things are the same thing. I think that it’s important to be precise.

    Spreading false information is not “rigging” an election. It’s actually an exercise in freedom of speech. It is bad, and corrupt, if a government agency is making false statements relating to an election.

    I don’t think the FBI has that kind of “freedom of speech.” 

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  16. BDB Coolidge
    BDB
    @BDB

    How is it that a lawyer thinks a government agency has a right to free speech, and that it includes censorship of the press?

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  17. Steven Seward Member
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    @StevenSeward

    BDB (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I agree with your concerns, Glen, but I don’t think that “rigged” is the right word to use.

    To me, “rigged” suggests violating the voting rules, or changing those rules in an improper way. Your concerns seem to relate to the suppression of true information unfavorable to one side, and the dissemination of false information unfavorable to the other side. This is bad behavior, but not “rigging,” in my view.

    You are welcome to define away whatever you wish for your own purposes. This is absolutely rigging an election. This is the government itself putting its thumb on the scale.

    I think that you’re wrong about this. I think that y’all are changing the definitions of words. This is a bad thing. It makes it difficult to communicate.

    Not all bad things are the same thing. I think that it’s important to be precise.

    Spreading false information is not “rigging” an election. It’s actually an exercise in freedom of speech. It is bad, and corrupt, if a government agency is making false statements relating to an election.

    So you keep saying. You’re wrong and bafflingly so, and you’re welcome to your opinion.

    I think technically, Jerry is right.  “rigging” generally refers to monkeying with the physical nuts and bolts of an operation as in this definition from my computer’s dictionary:

    Rig – set up (equipment or a device or structure), typically hastily or in makeshift fashion: he had rigged up a sort of tent | the crew began to rig the camera equipment on a platform.

    You can stretch that as a metaphor  to include influencing people (as in an election) if you want, but  more accurate terms would be “spreading lies and false information” or “deceiving people,”  or even “hoodwinking voters.”  It’s not a super important distinction here, as the point was understood by using the term “rigging,” but technically it is not accurate.

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  18. kedavis Inactive
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    @kedavis

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I agree with your concerns, Glen, but I don’t think that “rigged” is the right word to use.

    To me, “rigged” suggests violating the voting rules, or changing those rules in an improper way. Your concerns seem to relate to the suppression of true information unfavorable to one side, and the dissemination of false information unfavorable to the other side. This is bad behavior, but not “rigging,” in my view.

    You are welcome to define away whatever you wish for your own purposes. This is absolutely rigging an election. This is the government itself putting its thumb on the scale.

    I think that you’re wrong about this. I think that y’all are changing the definitions of words. This is a bad thing. It makes it difficult to communicate.

    Not all bad things are the same thing. I think that it’s important to be precise.

    Spreading false information is not “rigging” an election. It’s actually an exercise in freedom of speech. It is bad, and corrupt, if a government agency is making false statements relating to an election.

    So you keep saying. You’re wrong and bafflingly so, and you’re welcome to your opinion.

    I think technically, Jerry is right. “rigging” generally refers to monkeying with the physical nuts and bolts of an operation as in this definition from my computer’s dictionary:

    Rig – set up (equipment or a device or structure), typically hastily or in makeshift fashion: he had rigged up a sort of tent | the crew began to rig the camera equipment on a platform.

    You can stretch that as a metaphor to include influencing people (as in an election) if you want, but more accurate terms would be “spreading lies and false information” or “deceiving people,” or even “hoodwinking voters.” It’s not a super important distinction here, as the point was understood by using the term “rigging,” but technically it is not accurate.

    Since elections are not actual devices or mechanisms, by the strictest interpretation therefore, elections could never be “rigged.”

    I dissent.

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  19. BDB Coolidge
    BDB
    @BDB

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I agree with your concerns, Glen, but I don’t think that “rigged” is the right word to use.

    To me, “rigged” suggests violating the voting rules, or changing those rules in an improper way. Your concerns seem to relate to the suppression of true information unfavorable to one side, and the dissemination of false information unfavorable to the other side. This is bad behavior, but not “rigging,” in my view.

    You are welcome to define away whatever you wish for your own purposes. This is absolutely rigging an election. This is the government itself putting its thumb on the scale.

    I think that you’re wrong about this. I think that y’all are changing the definitions of words. This is a bad thing. It makes it difficult to communicate.

    Not all bad things are the same thing. I think that it’s important to be precise.

    Spreading false information is not “rigging” an election. It’s actually an exercise in freedom of speech. It is bad, and corrupt, if a government agency is making false statements relating to an election.

    So you keep saying. You’re wrong and bafflingly so, and you’re welcome to your opinion.

    I think technically, Jerry is right. “rigging” generally refers to monkeying with the physical nuts and bolts of an operation as in this definition from my computer’s dictionary:

    Rig – set up (equipment or a device or structure), typically hastily or in makeshift fashion: he had rigged up a sort of tent | the crew began to rig the camera equipment on a platform.

    You can stretch that as a metaphor to include influencing people (as in an election) if you want, but more accurate terms would be “spreading lies and false information” or “deceiving people,” or even “hoodwinking voters.” It’s not a super important distinction here, as the point was understood by using the term “rigging,” but technically it is not accurate.

    That’s poppycock.  It’s as if we never use the term “rigged” for elections, game shows, gambling, etc.  We don;t need fn pulleys for a system to be capable of being rigged.

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  20. Henry Castaigne Member
    Henry Castaigne
    @HenryCastaigne

    What other word would Jerry prefer? I could substitute rig for another very strong word but it needs to be a good one.

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  21. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    @FakeJohnJaneGalt

    Seems to me that the Federal Government has rigged most the elections in the last few decades.  Now to the point that I no longer expect the GOP to win any sort of control of it again in my lifetime.  

    Looks like 2022 is a blow out, there will be no red wave.  It will be a surprise if the GOP does not lose what little position they have.  Which seems like what they want. 

    2024 will be a joke.  If Biden still kickin he has it at a walk.  If not it may be a bit dicier what Democrat wins.  

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  22. Steven Seward Member
    Steven Seward
    @StevenSeward

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Seems to me that the Federal Government has rigged most the elections in the last few decades. Now to the point that I no longer expect the GOP to win any sort of control of it again in my lifetime.

    Looks like 2022 is a blow out, there will be no red wave. It will be a surprise if the GOP does not lose what little position they have. Which seems like what they want.

    So your prediction is that the GOP will not win either the House nor the Senate, and they will in fact lose seats.  And they will not win the Presidency nor Congress  in your lifetime.  Would you like to make a bet, assuming you will  still be alive after November 8th?

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  23. Columbo Member
    Columbo
    @Columbo

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Seems to me that the Federal Government has rigged most the elections in the last few decades. Now to the point that I no longer expect the GOP to win any sort of control of it again in my lifetime.

    Looks like 2022 is a blow out, there will be no red wave. It will be a surprise if the GOP does not lose what little position they have. Which seems like what they want.

    So your prediction is that the GOP will not win either the House nor the Senate, and they will in fact lose seats. And they will not win the Presidency nor Congress in your lifetime. Would you like to make a bet, assuming you will still be alive after November 8th?

    The word ‘Fake’ in his/her name has meaning.

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  24. TBA Coolidge
    TBA
    @RobtGilsdorf

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I agree with your concerns, Glen, but I don’t think that “rigged” is the right word to use.

    To me, “rigged” suggests violating the voting rules, or changing those rules in an improper way. Your concerns seem to relate to the suppression of true information unfavorable to one side, and the dissemination of false information unfavorable to the other side. This is bad behavior, but not “rigging,” in my view.

    You are welcome to define away whatever you wish for your own purposes. This is absolutely rigging an election. This is the government itself putting its thumb on the scale.

    I think that you’re wrong about this. I think that y’all are changing the definitions of words. This is a bad thing. It makes it difficult to communicate.

    Not all bad things are the same thing. I think that it’s important to be precise.

    Spreading false information is not “rigging” an election. It’s actually an exercise in freedom of speech. It is bad, and corrupt, if a government agency is making false statements relating to an election.

    OK. ‘Rigging’ suggests actual physical manipulation of votes or voters. 

    We do need another word. 

    But I take issue also with the idea that the FBI suppressing or lying about information in order to alter the course of an election is covered under free speech. 

    Free speech is a right for citizens, not government agencies operating in the course of their duties – or whatever the [redacted] they were doing. 

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  25. Henry Castaigne Member
    Henry Castaigne
    @HenryCastaigne

    TBA

    Free speech is a right for citizens, not government agencies operating in the course of their duties – or whatever the [redacted] they were doing.

    Well of course. FBI people are free to express whatever dumb political beliefs they have in private. But when they work, they should not be political towards anybody. They should just do the nation’s business as best they can.

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  26. BDB Coolidge
    BDB
    @BDB

    TBA (View Comment):
    OK. ‘Rigging’ suggests actual physical manipulation of votes or voters.

    We do need another word.

    At the risk of buying into this ridiculous (“Deserving or inspiring ridicule; absurd or preposterous; silly or laughable”) argument — no.  “Rigged” (paste tense of rig: “To manipulate dishonestly for personal gain; ‘rig a prize fight’ “) is fine.

    — American Heritage NCE 1980

    What would you do if you found a shiny new word?  Cede Jerry’s point?  Insist that the title and wording of the OP be changed?  And then feel obligated to *correct* people in conversation when they say that the thing was rigged, because now you too have a thunderously stupid objection?

    “Ackshullllyyyy, it wasn’t rigged, you know… Rigging involves sailing ships.”

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  27. BDB Coolidge
    BDB
    @BDB

    Steven Seward (View Comment):
    as in this definition from my computer’s dictionary:

    Your computer dictionary is garbage.  Let me guess — Webster’s.

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  28. TBA Coolidge
    TBA
    @RobtGilsdorf

    BDB (View Comment):

    TBA (View Comment):
    OK. ‘Rigging’ suggests actual physical manipulation of votes or voters.

    We do need another word.

    At the risk of buying into this ridiculous (“Deserving or inspiring ridicule; absurd or preposterous; silly or laughable”) argument — no. “Rigged” (paste tense of rig: “To manipulate dishonestly for personal gain; ‘rig a prize fight’”) is fine.

    What would you do if you found a shiny new word? Cede Jerry’s point? Insist that the title and wording of the OP be changed? And then feel obligated to *correct* people in conversation when they say that the thing was rigged, because now you too have a thunderously stupid objection?

    “Ackshullllyyyy, it wasn’t rigged, you know… Rigging involves sailing ships.”

    Perverted, corrupted. 

    I admit it is a niggle. 

    Regardless, it remains treasonous. 

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