A Few Thoughts Regarding the FBI Raid of Donald Trump’s Home

 

I think this is a really, really big deal.  The party in power is using the power of the government they now control to destroy their political adversaries.  Oh my God.  This has my head spinning, a bit.  Here’s a few thoughts that have come to mind in the 10 minutes since I heard about the FBI raid:

  1. Oh my God.
  2. They didn’t raid the Clintons or the Bidens, despite their obvious criminal activities.  The Democrats in our government know that this is an obvious double standard, which will be quickly pointed out by many.  I find it terrifying that they don’t care.  They apparently feel that it no longer matters what anyone thinks.  As if elections don’t matter anymore.  I wonder if they’re right?
  3. This is an open threat to anyone who might consider criticizing a Democrat, anywhere.  We can destroy a President of the United States.  We can certainly destroy you.
  4. I suspect that popular support for Mr. Trump running for President again just jumped.  By a lot.
  5. I also suspect that the FBI knows that this will make Mr. Trump more popular and will broaden his support.  They wouldn’t do this, unless they thought they could control elections.
  6. It’s possible (although unlikely, I think) that Mr. Trump goaded the FBI into raiding his home somehow.  Appeared to withhold evidence, that he could later show that they already had, or something like that.  He may have wanted this showdown, to elevate his popular support.  Again, I doubt that, but I suppose it’s possible.
  7. I used to laugh at people who predicted that America would break up into two or more countries in the near future.  Then, I didn’t laugh, but I still thought that was insane.  Now, I see no other way to save something that is vaguely like America.  Lord help us.
  8. The problem is that that will never happen.  It’s just impossible, I think.  But once our government can select its own leaders, and persecute its political opponents, then that fundamentally changes the relationship between citizens and their government.  Once government has that much power, it cannot be changed except by force.  Which, again, I just cannot imagine happening.
  9. It will be interesting to see who defends Mr. Trump.  We’re about to learn a great deal about various Republican leaders.  I suspect that we won’t like what we learn.
  10. This is a really big deal.  Oh my God, oh my God, oh my God…
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  1. carcat74 Member
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    Chris O (View Comment):

    Rodin (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat: It will be interesting to see who defends Mr. Trump. We’re about to learn a great deal about various Republican leaders.

    I fear what we are going to learn. If Mitch doesn’t come down hard on this, if Mitt weasels, and so and so forth, it is hard to know why we are voting even if they would let the count be accurate.

    Yes, a soft response from Mitch may as well say, “Stay home during midterms.” You almost anticipate such a thing will come up, that thing that sours voter enthusiasm for Republicans.

    It would matter a lot less had the caucuses and campaign committees put forth an agenda, but, of course, they’re doing it Beltway style (no promises to be responsible for).

    Look at what Tim Scott has done—endorsed MURKOWSKI and wants to ‘let it play out.’ He’s been in D.C. too long, hasn’t he? Wish there was a way to permanently shut off all the air conditioning in that cesspool!

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  2. Django Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat: It will be interesting to see who defends Mr. Trump. We’re about to learn a great deal about various Republican leaders. I suspect that we won’t like what we learn.

    Color me surprised. What a useless old [redacted]. I can already hear it: “But he kept Garland off of the SCOTUS.” 

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  3. RufusRJones Member
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    Watching more Fox and listening to talk radio. 

    It sounds like they literally had a letter from the archivist that they were cooperating. Trumps lawyers had a deal with the archivist that they just need to keep stuff secure at Mar-a-Lago and it was OK that they could have access to it at any time. 

    So than the feds overrode that. 

    Andy McCarthy says they just found a loophole to snoop around for some lawbreaking evidence related to J6. 

    Just after guest is very upset that they didn’t simply use a subpoena. 

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  4. Henry Castaigne Member
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    Old Bathos (View Comment):

    The new openly partisan FBI/DOJ is a shock. The tradition in Washington has been that there is ALWAYS gentlemanly negotiation with the prominent target’s attorneys and NEVER a uniformed raid to seize documents. There may be a motion to compel presented to a judge but never the kind of thuggery that has emerged in response to Trump’s associates and now Trump himself.

    When Lawrence Walsh went after Caspar Weinberger 30 years ago, there was outrage and pushback from big law and the establishment. You don’t criminalize this kind of thing and especially not against an establishment guy regardless of party affiliation.

    Carter did not try to re-open Watergate nor did Clinton re-open Iran-Contra. Bush ’43 did not go after the Clintons. Preserving the dignity of the office and taking advantage of the clean break that an election offers used to be the norm.

    Biden is classless and has always been so. A real president with a real attorney general would never have allowed this. If there were documents that really matter, there are less confrontational ways to obtain or secure them.

    Not only are the Democrats apparently intent on re-electing Donald Trump, they seem to want him to be in as lawless and vengeful mood as possible when he takes office, with the awful precedent of a weaponized federal government.

    This deserves to be a post in it’s own right.

    For all my many problems with Trump, the dude is Washington compared to the perverse imitation of a President we currently have. Unless there is an absolute slam dunk case against Trump, this is an abomination against all of Western Civilization. 

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  5. Zafar Member
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Wonder why they have not killed him yet?

    Because a martyr cannot be properly humiliated etc?

    There is that. They may not want a martyr.

    I think useful as an alternate power centre. Apparently the records thing can disqualify him from running for office. So whichever Republican does – even if he or she wins – will need to deal with an unelected alternate power centre on the Right. Which is….ingenious?

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  6. Henry Castaigne Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Watching more Fox and listening to talk radio.

    It sounds like they literally had a letter from the archivist that they were cooperating. Trumps lawyers had a deal with the archivist that they just need to keep stuff secure at Mar-a-Lago and it was OK that they could have access to it at any time.

    So than the feds overrode that.

    Andy McCarthy says they just found a loophole to snoop around for some lawbreaking evidence related to J6.

    Just after guest is very upset that they didn’t simply use a subpoena.

    Gangsters who kill people and sell drugs to poor kids get more rights in court than Trump. And part of me is liberal (classically) like Alan Dershowitz and supports the guiltiest gangster being presumed innocent until proven guilty. Can’t Trump be treated the same as a gangster. I don’t want him to be Hunter Biden and be protected from breaking whatever law he wants but at least be treated the same as Tony Soprano. That’s all I’m asking for. 

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  7. Chris O Coolidge
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    Point your finger. Aim it right at friends and family that aided and abetted the rise of this regime. Forgive them and tell them it is time to make amends, because they (most of them) didn’t vote for this

    I find it heartening, in a way, to see how desperate these people have become. Ballot box or otherwise, they will not win.

     

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  8. RufusRJones Member
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    cdor (View Comment):
    Why have a safe and put nothing in it?

    You might need it someday.

    They thought they were under surveillance and they thought it would be excellent bait to make them look stupid. lol Alan Dershowitz is really wigged out about them cracking the safe and especially cracking the safe right on the property. He’s not the only one, but he goes on and on about it more.

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  9. RufusRJones Member
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    I Walton (View Comment):

    It’s simple and I’ve been saying it since Biden stole the White House, (Biden is short for whoever actually runs things, other than the Chinese and Soros) The last honest election was the one that put Trump in the White House. After the congressional elections are stolen, states with Republican governors and pieces of states that choose to, have to so what ever is necessary to form a new Republic. We keep saying this can’t work, that the South tried it before, Texas moved in that direction etc., but in those cases they were removing themselves to deny freedom to a chunk of their population. This is more like leaving GB to form free states. It can be done and may have to be. The big problem is that the military has to split. Officers can choose the new free states or stay and may have to fight each other which would be crazy. The more who join the free states the less likely a fight. Those who leave will have stronger leadership and key bases are in free states. Nothing has to be done other than signaling choices. The objective is still to have a free elections in 2024, but unless we get organized, let the tyrants know their choices and inform the idiot democrats who don’t understand that what they’re doing has no future, even the tiny big bucks who think they’ll end up on top. They won’t. Even the Chinese won’t last long well past our demise, but their “free market” will decay as well. None of these idiots seem to understand the complexity, the depth and extent of that complexity that made the US rich and dominant. It can’t be sustained even with the most brilliant talented minority running things top down and with the goons who take over it will evaporate more rapidly. They think that if they can gather control at the top they’ll manage things. Sure they can. There must be an example some place at some time in history, right?

    Newt Gingrich basically said all of this on Hannity this afternoon. Really good interview. The other thing is the doubling of the IRS agents increases the unions in all of that money will flow to the Democrat party. 

    I’ll try to post the interview because it was so good.

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  10. RufusRJones Member
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    carcat74 (View Comment):
    Look at what Tim Scott has done—endorsed MURKOWSKI and wants to ‘let it play out.’ He’s been in D.C. too long, hasn’t he? Wish there was a way to permanently shut off all the air conditioning in that cesspool!

    I really want Gary to explain why he likes Murkowski. He sent money to her. lol 

    @garyrobbins

     

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  11. Django Member
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  12. Django Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    carcat74 (View Comment):
    Look at what Tim Scott has done—endorsed MURKOWSKI and wants to ‘let it play out.’ He’s been in D.C. too long, hasn’t he? Wish there was a way to permanently shut off all the air conditioning in that cesspool!

    I really want Gary to explain why he likes Murkowski. He sent money to her. lol

    @ garyrobbins

     

    She must have said something negative about Trump at one time. 

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  13. RufusRJones Member
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    OK I’m watching Fox News again. It sounds like there was a breakdown in negotiations even though at some point the archivist was happy with the arrangement. The arrangement sounded very open. So Fox news is reporting there is some break down, but they aren’t specific about if it’s with prosecutors or the archivist. 

    This needs to be cleared up as far as I’m concerned. 

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  14. RufusRJones Member
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    Django (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    carcat74 (View Comment):
    Look at what Tim Scott has done—endorsed MURKOWSKI and wants to ‘let it play out.’ He’s been in D.C. too long, hasn’t he? Wish there was a way to permanently shut off all the air conditioning in that cesspool!

    I really want Gary to explain why he likes Murkowski. He sent money to her. lol

    @ garyrobbins

     

    She must have said something negative about Trump at one time.

    Ostensibly that sounds like a joke, but that’s actually the way it works I think. I can’t remember the persons name, but the one going against Murkowski is absolutely awesome. Harvard degree, but sounds like a normal person. Very sure of her thoughts. She’s put a lot of thought into what she wants to say.

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  15. Django Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    carcat74 (View Comment):
    Look at what Tim Scott has done—endorsed MURKOWSKI and wants to ‘let it play out.’ He’s been in D.C. too long, hasn’t he? Wish there was a way to permanently shut off all the air conditioning in that cesspool!

    I really want Gary to explain why he likes Murkowski. He sent money to her. lol

    @ garyrobbins

     

    She must have said something negative about Trump at one time.

    Ostensibly that sounds like a joke, but that’s actually the way it works I think. I can’t remember the persons name, but the one going against Murkowski is absolutely awesome. Harvard degree, but sounds like a normal person. Very sure of her thoughts. She’s put a lot of thought into what she wants to say.

    I’ve heard her speak. It shouldn’t even be close, but RINOs are hard to kill off. From Breitbart: 

    The polling comes as Murkowski, who is supported by Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY), hopes to defeat Donald Trump-endorsed Kelly Tshibaka in the August 16 Republican primary. In March polling, Murkowski trailed Tshibaka (45.4 to 28.7 percent).

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  16. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    The polling comes as Murkowski, who is supported by Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY), hopes to defeat Donald Trump-endorsed Kelly Tshibaka in the August 16 Republican primary. In March polling, Murkowski trailed Tshibaka (45.4 to 28.7 percent).

    Murky will run as a write-in again.

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  17. RufusRJones Member
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    OK I’m listening to Levin right now. 

    First of all for some damn reason the J6 attorney is also the attorney for the archivists. Sounds pretty Stalinist to me.

    People are saying Trump should release the warrant. There are two reasons he may not be able to do that. It might have classified information in it. The other reason is they can put gratuitous extra charges in it and the media won’t explain it. They won’t even explain it if they don’t do that, so they might not be able to do it for political reasons because the media is so dishonest.

    A warrant also has a more criminal tone to it, which I think that was his point. You need to listen to it yourself.

     

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  18. David C. Broussard Coolidge
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    Django (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat: It will be interesting to see who defends Mr. Trump. We’re about to learn a great deal about various Republican leaders. I suspect that we won’t like what we learn.

    Color me surprised. What a useless old [redacted]. I can already hear it: “But he kept Garland off of the SCOTUS.”

    Well, with how he has acted as AG can you imagine how BAD he would have been on SCOTUS?

    I am OK with most politicians taking the stance that Lindsey Graham did on the Hugh Hewitt show.  I don’t like this, and the FBI/DoJ had better have damn good reasons for this raid.  So, let’s see what the facts are which should be soon.

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  19. David C. Broussard Coolidge
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    Chris O (View Comment):

    Point your finger. Aim it right at friends and family that aided and abetted the rise of this regime. Forgive them and tell them it is time to make amends, because they (most of them) didn’t vote for this.

    I find it heartening, in a way, to see how desperate these people have become. Ballot box or otherwise, they will not win.

     

    My wife assumes that Trump is guilty of anything and everything and that this is the “walls closing in” on him.  She is getting exactly what she voted for, Trump out of the White House and never allowed to return, and it doesn’t really matter what it takes to get that done because he is guilty, guilty, guilty.

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  20. Django Member
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    David C. Broussard (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

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    Dr. Bastiat: It will be interesting to see who defends Mr. Trump. We’re about to learn a great deal about various Republican leaders. I suspect that we won’t like what we learn.

    Color me surprised. What a useless old [redacted]. I can already hear it: “But he kept Garland off of the SCOTUS.”

    Well, with how he has acted as AG can you imagine how BAD he would have been on SCOTUS?

    I am OK with most politicians taking the stance that Lindsey Graham did on the Hugh Hewitt show. I don’t like this, and the FBI/DoJ had better have damn good reasons for this raid. So, let’s see what the facts are which should be soon.

    One the SCOTUS he would have been just another crazy liberal/progress/living document minority vote. A wash because he would have been replacing one. Really, would he have been more or less dangerous as AG? My bet is more.

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  21. David C. Broussard Coolidge
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    Django (View Comment):

    David C. Broussard (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat: It will be interesting to see who defends Mr. Trump. We’re about to learn a great deal about various Republican leaders. I suspect that we won’t like what we learn.

    Color me surprised. What a useless old [redacted]. I can already hear it: “But he kept Garland off of the SCOTUS.”

    Well, with how he has acted as AG can you imagine how BAD he would have been on SCOTUS?

    I am OK with most politicians taking the stance that Lindsey Graham did on the Hugh Hewitt show. I don’t like this, and the FBI/DoJ had better have damn good reasons for this raid. So, let’s see what the facts are which should be soon.

    One the SCOTUS he would have been just another crazy liberal/progress/living document minority vote. Really, would he have been more or less dangerous as AG? My bet is more.

    Well, worst case he won’t be AG past 2028, and hopefully past 2024, on SCOTUS he might have been there for another 20 years.  I always found it hilarious that he was presented as a moderate man of the center-left when he was a nominee to the Court.

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  22. Django Member
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    David C. Broussard (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    David C. Broussard (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat: It will be interesting to see who defends Mr. Trump. We’re about to learn a great deal about various Republican leaders. I suspect that we won’t like what we learn.

    Color me surprised. What a useless old [redacted]. I can already hear it: “But he kept Garland off of the SCOTUS.”

    Well, with how he has acted as AG can you imagine how BAD he would have been on SCOTUS?

    I am OK with most politicians taking the stance that Lindsey Graham did on the Hugh Hewitt show. I don’t like this, and the FBI/DoJ had better have damn good reasons for this raid. So, let’s see what the facts are which should be soon.

    One the SCOTUS he would have been just another crazy liberal/progress/living document minority vote. Really, would he have been more or less dangerous as AG? My bet is more.

    Well, worst case he won’t be AG past 2028, and hopefully past 2024, on SCOTUS he might have been there for another 20 years. I always found it hilarious that he was presented as a moderate man of the center-left when he was a nominee to the Court.

    Fair point, but if — yeah, I know — the GOP got its act together, he might have stayed in the minority for those 20 years. Given what a jerk he is, it would have been mildly amusing to watch his frustration build. 

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  23. RufusRJones Member
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    One other thing. When Andy McCarthy talks about how it is about snooping around for J6 material and criminal material, that is pre-textual which is illegal. He doesn’t emphasize that like some other lawyers.

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  24. Chris O Coolidge
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    David C. Broussard (View Comment):

    Chris O (View Comment):

    Point your finger. Aim it right at friends and family that aided and abetted the rise of this regime. Forgive them and tell them it is time to make amends, because they (most of them) didn’t vote for this.

    I find it heartening, in a way, to see how desperate these people have become. Ballot box or otherwise, they will not win.

     

    My wife assumes that Trump is guilty of anything and everything and that this is the “walls closing in” on him. She is getting exactly what she voted for, Trump out of the White House and never allowed to return, and it doesn’t really matter what it takes to get that done because he is guilty, guilty, guilty.

    Hence my parenthetical, but my guess is there is a sizable bloc of voters similar to my neighbors. They’re good people who likely thought they were doing a good thing, but this administration is doing its level best to persuade anyone with any sense of detachment that it is both incompetent and corrupt.

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    RushBabe49 (View Comment):

    Except, in world history the majority of the oppressed have not been armed. In America today, there are more firearms and training among the conservative than among the Left. In fact, the Left (except for government) has with determination, disarmed itself. If we do, in fact, end up fighting our neighbors, they are lost. As for the government, there are always more of us than there are of them. Many lives may be lost, but we will triumph in the end.

    And I received a very interesting ad in my inbox this morning. My local Sportsmen’s Warehouse store is running a BOGO Free sale, on GUNS! Yes, buy one gun, get one free. If I didn’t already have one, I might take them up on that offer.

    You may already have one, but what you really need is THREE!

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  26. kedavis Coolidge
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    Caryn (View Comment):

    RushBabe49 (View Comment):

    Except, in world history the majority of the oppressed have not been armed. In America today, there are more firearms and training among the conservative than among the Left. In fact, the Left (except for government) has with determination, disarmed itself. If we do, in fact, end up fighting our neighbors, they are lost. As for the government, there are always more of us than there are of them. Many lives may be lost, but we will triumph in the end.

    And I received a very interesting ad in my inbox this morning. My local Sportsmen’s Warehouse store is running a BOGO Free sale, on GUNS! Yes, buy one gun, get one free. If I didn’t already have one, I might take them up on that offer.

    I got the same ad. It’s not just any two; it’s one in the same class as one I already have and another that I don’t want. Darn! The Get-One is a nice carry size, though, which I need, but not that one. Make another offer…

    Maybe talk to your local store owner/manager, see if there’s room to haggle.

     

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  27. Henry Castaigne Member
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    David C. Broussard (View Comment):

    Chris O (View Comment):

    Point your finger. Aim it right at friends and family that aided and abetted the rise of this regime. Forgive them and tell them it is time to make amends, because they (most of them) didn’t vote for this.

    I find it heartening, in a way, to see how desperate these people have become. Ballot box or otherwise, they will not win.

     

    My wife assumes that Trump is guilty of anything and everything and that this is the “walls closing in” on him. She is getting exactly what she voted for, Trump out of the White House and never allowed to return, and it doesn’t really matter what it takes to get that done because he is guilty, guilty, guilty.

    So since she doesn’t like Trump all the best values of and traditions of justice in America don’t matter anymore? I get that Trump is a jerk and he cheats on his wives. Don’t matter none. Every human being in the United ought to be presumed innocent until proven guilty. Trump is small potatoes compared to over two centuries of the best traditions of America. 

    How does she not get that?

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  28. Django Member
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    What has happened when Newsweek and MSN are more vocal than The Turtle has been? 

    Merrick Garland Is Compromised. He Must Stand Aside and Appoint a Special Prosecutor | Opinion (msn.com)

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  29. Red Herring Coolidge
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    Who should we run? The Democrats are telling you who. Trump was very effective. You can see it in their hatred. Run who they fear the most. We shouldn’t vote based on their happiness.

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  30. Django Member
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    At least one Kentucky politician isn’t afraid to call out the government. 

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