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A Few Thoughts Regarding the FBI Raid of Donald Trump’s Home
I think this is a really, really big deal. The party in power is using the power of the government they now control to destroy their political adversaries. Oh my God. This has my head spinning, a bit. Here’s a few thoughts that have come to mind in the 10 minutes since I heard about the FBI raid:
- Oh my God.
- They didn’t raid the Clintons or the Bidens, despite their obvious criminal activities. The Democrats in our government know that this is an obvious double standard, which will be quickly pointed out by many. I find it terrifying that they don’t care. They apparently feel that it no longer matters what anyone thinks. As if elections don’t matter anymore. I wonder if they’re right?
- This is an open threat to anyone who might consider criticizing a Democrat, anywhere. We can destroy a President of the United States. We can certainly destroy you.
- I suspect that popular support for Mr. Trump running for President again just jumped. By a lot.
- I also suspect that the FBI knows that this will make Mr. Trump more popular and will broaden his support. They wouldn’t do this, unless they thought they could control elections.
- It’s possible (although unlikely, I think) that Mr. Trump goaded the FBI into raiding his home somehow. Appeared to withhold evidence, that he could later show that they already had, or something like that. He may have wanted this showdown, to elevate his popular support. Again, I doubt that, but I suppose it’s possible.
- I used to laugh at people who predicted that America would break up into two or more countries in the near future. Then, I didn’t laugh, but I still thought that was insane. Now, I see no other way to save something that is vaguely like America. Lord help us.
- The problem is that that will never happen. It’s just impossible, I think. But once our government can select its own leaders, and persecute its political opponents, then that fundamentally changes the relationship between citizens and their government. Once government has that much power, it cannot be changed except by force. Which, again, I just cannot imagine happening.
It will be interesting to see who defends Mr. Trump. We’re about to learn a great deal about various Republican leaders. I suspect that we won’t like what we learn.- This is a really big deal. Oh my God, oh my God, oh my God…
Just to repeat this.
I feel just as bad hearing this news as I did on January 6 when a mob chanted “Hang Mike Pence” and disrupted Congress’s proceedings.
This is not a can of worms DOJ and FBI should have opened up with such nonchalance. It’s one of the most breathtakingly stupid decisions I’ve ever learned about.
We haven’t talked about it specifically, but I get the feeling that’s the way my relatives think or want to think and they don’t want to discuss it under inquiry.
The media doesn’t even raise the question. That article really makes it sink in.
I wish I knew. It’s been a rough six years. To her, Trump is so terrible that any accusation seems plausible. She believes he threw food at the wall, flushed documents down the toilet, and conspired to overthrow the election on J6. She believes that he has raped multiple women, including children via Epstien, and that he abused his power as President to enrich his family. She also thinks that Kavanaugh was likely a serial rapist and never should have been confirmed. When Trump won in 16 she subscribed to the WaPo and NYT so she could follow the “real news” and counter her parents who “only watch Fox”.
I love her dearly and I don’t try and influence her on politics. For one, it just makes things worse, and for two, pkitics shouldn’t be the end all of a marriage. It has been fascinating to watch though what one hears from solely the DNC, I mean the MSM.
Are you certain that Trump lawyers have a copy of the warrant? Isn’t it possible that after telling the Trump lawyers they were not allowed to watch the search in progress, that they also did not allow them to have a copy of the warrant?
Right. They don’t have it, yet. I don’t get that, it seems really screwed up, but supposedly that’s the way it works.
You have some people saying they have to do that as soon as they can. Others are saying it’s likely a stupid or impossible tact.
I’m just parroting off of the radio and the TV.
I’m not done with it, but Megyn Kelly is simultaneously interviewing Dershowitz and Harmeet Dhillon. It seems like a really good discussion. Kelly has a great podcast.
Man, I feel for you. This is why I’ve tried mightily to push back on all of the demonization of Trump ( which of course gets one labeled an acolyte and a cult member).
It’s basic human psychology. If you can anchor a bad impression of someone before the person gets to have their own experience of the person or gets objective information, all subsequent info is believed automatically.
I guess this is why one of the Ten Commandments is about bearing “false witness”
I have been a victim of that, and I suppose all of us have.
Of all the things Trump has been accused of many were outright false (many of those accusations were known to be false by the accusers – Coy fish feeding in Japan) others were spun in the most negative way possible ( if you are famous they will let you grab them by the … obviously hyperbole, but nevertheless there’s a grain of truth to it which women despise BTW)
More and more, I think we humans need someone to ‘hate’ at all times, and that it takes a lot of work to purge that tendency continually. Notice how there’s this new strain of racism and sexism now directed at white men. Or when the Ukraine invasion began, supposedly tolerant people were rampaging against Russian hockey players and musicians.
And since I was a victim of a smear campaign in Jr High, I always had sympathy and understanding of the dynamic. Once you are labeled, there’s nothing you can do.
Even when the hateful person sees evidence that some of the things they hate Trump for turned out to be untrue, the psychological hold remains. It’s almost impossible for them to overcome the embedded animus.
Sad.
One of his attorneys saw the warrant, but it did not include what constituted the probable cause for it. That is “sealed” and they’ll have to go to court to find out the basis for the warrant.
Trump’s attorney that was on site was not allowed to observe the search. She said agents walked in with backpacks and speculated it was possible material was brought in.
Just relaying what was said. I saw a photo of agents at the gate to Mar-a-Lago. They were definitely there to intimidate given the hardware they carried. I thought D’s didn’t like assault rifles.
I have an acquaintance who gets news from NPR, NYTimes, and maybe WaPo. He thinks he is well-informed and has said that his guru for economics is Paul Krugman and his guru for social/moral issues is David Brooks. I don’t see him much since I retired and that’s a good thing. At least he has a sense of humor and admitted that maybe he was “being a bit tribal”. I didn’t get it at first because I had forgotten that he is a Jew.
You should ask him about his investment portfolio.
I have realized that’s the problem. If NPR says it they think it’s over.
I think the root of this is, they really like to force things around in the name of justice and they don’t have any other paradigm. It’s the positive liberty side of Isaiah Berlin’s theory about positive and negative liberty. My brother-in-law is Jewish and he is totally like that and he just can’t entertain anything else. Me, I say it’s patently obvious that central planning is the dumbest thing mankind has ever invented.
By the way Isaiah Berlin is my new favorite person. Mark Levin discusses him at 1:31:00.
https://dcs.megaphone.fm/WWO8204920210.mp3?key=6ccbc486ddd98dc16240b5b8c63dab5c&source=3
Wow! So how many raids have there been so far on anyone associated with Trump? Someone needs to sharpen a pencil and make a list!
There were some disgusting people in that crowd that day. I wonder how many of the most embarrassing are jailed and how many were not Trump supporters.
I hope she never gets jury duty and I hope she realizes she married an excellent husband. Much respect for your approach.
They were probably mad they couldn’t handcuff Trump and made him stand outside in his underwear.
Supposedly, if you do it by the book, you have to handcuff the person. Supposedly, that’s why they did it when he was gone.
FWIW:
Krugman really is so dense that light curves around him:
Stephen L. Miller on Twitter: “https://t.co/MTtzNwtOop” / Twitter
So, we are to conclude that documents were classified and dealt with national security and were also shown to the type of jury fielded inside of DC?
I guess we wait for the leaks.
Massie nailed it:
The collapse into totalitarianism is happening faster than I thought it would.
Last I heard, they don’t actually have to take a phone to get those things, the service providers already have them. Including things that may have been deleted from the actual phone.
Sure, but that doesn’t have the same intimidation factor as stopping you to take away your actual phone.
Exactly, which would indicate that it’s not really about evidence.
But you may be surprised (although you shouldn’t be) at how ignorant people are. I’ve known people who believed that their cell phone voice messages were stored ON THEIR PHONE. And they couldn’t be convinced otherwise.
It’s easy to demonstrate, at least with Verizon. Turn off the phone; dial the phone number from a landline if you have one; punch in your password and access your voicemail from that phone while you cell phone is turned off. Done.
I suspect this is the same with other providers.