A Few Thoughts Regarding the FBI Raid of Donald Trump’s Home

 

I think this is a really, really big deal.  The party in power is using the power of the government they now control to destroy their political adversaries.  Oh my God.  This has my head spinning, a bit.  Here’s a few thoughts that have come to mind in the 10 minutes since I heard about the FBI raid:

  1. Oh my God.
  2. They didn’t raid the Clintons or the Bidens, despite their obvious criminal activities.  The Democrats in our government know that this is an obvious double standard, which will be quickly pointed out by many.  I find it terrifying that they don’t care.  They apparently feel that it no longer matters what anyone thinks.  As if elections don’t matter anymore.  I wonder if they’re right?
  3. This is an open threat to anyone who might consider criticizing a Democrat, anywhere.  We can destroy a President of the United States.  We can certainly destroy you.
  4. I suspect that popular support for Mr. Trump running for President again just jumped.  By a lot.
  5. I also suspect that the FBI knows that this will make Mr. Trump more popular and will broaden his support.  They wouldn’t do this, unless they thought they could control elections.
  6. It’s possible (although unlikely, I think) that Mr. Trump goaded the FBI into raiding his home somehow.  Appeared to withhold evidence, that he could later show that they already had, or something like that.  He may have wanted this showdown, to elevate his popular support.  Again, I doubt that, but I suppose it’s possible.
  7. I used to laugh at people who predicted that America would break up into two or more countries in the near future.  Then, I didn’t laugh, but I still thought that was insane.  Now, I see no other way to save something that is vaguely like America.  Lord help us.
  8. The problem is that that will never happen.  It’s just impossible, I think.  But once our government can select its own leaders, and persecute its political opponents, then that fundamentally changes the relationship between citizens and their government.  Once government has that much power, it cannot be changed except by force.  Which, again, I just cannot imagine happening.
  9. It will be interesting to see who defends Mr. Trump.  We’re about to learn a great deal about various Republican leaders.  I suspect that we won’t like what we learn.
  10. This is a really big deal.  Oh my God, oh my God, oh my God…
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  1. Rodin Member
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    Dr. Bastiat: It will be interesting to see who defends Mr. Trump.  We’re about to learn a great deal about various Republican leaders.

    I fear what we are going to learn. If Mitch doesn’t come down hard on this, if Mitt weasels, and so and so forth, it is hard to know why we are voting even if they would let the count be accurate.

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  2. Seawriter Contributor
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    @Seawriter

    Dr. Bastiat: I used to laugh at people who predicted that America would break up into two or more countries in the near future.  Then, I didn’t laugh, but I still thought that was insane.  Now, I see no other way to save something that is vaguely like America. 

    Here is my take. Texas tried leaving the United States once and it didn’t work none too well. And Kurt Schlichter is right when he says the the continent is too small for a based nation of sane people and a woke, fascist nation. When the balloon goes up the answer is obvious. This time around Texas has to fight to preserve the Union and liberate those in the slave states.  And deal with the fascists in this country the way we dealt with the fascists in Europe and Asia back in the 1940s.

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  3. Flicker Coolidge
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    Dr. B, and you were one of the first to only, oh, so mildly hint that elections were to be a thing of the past.  YES!  They wouldn’t do this (and many other things) unless they knew elections were no longer a real thing.

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  4. Seawriter Contributor
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    Dr. B, and you were one of the first to only, oh, so mildly hint that elections were to be a thing of the past. YES! They wouldn’t do this (and many other things) unless they knew elections were no longer a real thing.

    I think you are wrong on that. They may think elections are no longer a real thing, but I suspect they will find subverting them more difficult and more dangerous than they realize. There are too many guns in this country to blithely ignore the will of the people, however easy it looks inside blue bubbles. 

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  5. CACrabtree Coolidge
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    Doc, I believe your Points 3 and 9 are especially relevant.

    Point 3.  I believe that anyone with a functioning brain will realize the dangers to the average citizen.  I’d be willing to bet that firearms (and ammo) will be flying off store shelves for the rest of the month.

    Point 9.  If the usual suspects in the Republican Party begin to equivocate, they should be strongly encouraged to resign or change parties.  There’s simply no reason to keep them around.

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  6. BDB Coolidge
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    As they say, when the comms go offline, find something communist and destroy it.

    I agree that classical Civil War scenarieaux are highly improbably even in the event of a break.  Still, there’s a lot of unpleasant ground between where we were “yesterday” and that easily understood point — all of it murky.  And we are now in it.

    I kept trying to make this a longer comment.  Gosh, there’s a lot to say.  But it’s been said.  Sure, it’s a five-alarm fire.  But it’s a five alarm fire in a burning city.

    When the comms go offline, find something communist and destroy it.

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  7. Percival Thatcher
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    Rodin (View Comment):
    if Mitt weasels

    When has Mitt done anything but weasel?

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  8. Red Herring Coolidge
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    The Dems better not want a civil war. It won’t be like the last one. People can go down to the voter registration office and get a list of who is registered in the other party. It would not be a few redneck MAGAs against tanks and fighters like they think. It wouldn’t be two countries fighting each other like in our last civil war. It wouldn’t even be states against states, but people against people. These Democrats are insane. All those who voted for Trump must realize they feel the same about all of us. How long before they get our voter registration lists and send armed IRS agents to our houses. Beginning to think those IRS agents aren’t all auditors.

    The Dems crossed the redline when they fabricated a reason to impeach Trump the first time.

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  9. Nohaaj Coolidge
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    Seawriter (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Dr. B, and you were one of the first to only, oh, so mildly hint that elections were to be a thing of the past. YES! They wouldn’t do this (and many other things) unless they knew elections were no longer a real thing.

    I think you are wrong on that. They may think elections are no longer a real thing, but I suspect they will find subverting them more difficult and more dangerous than they realize. There are too many guns in this country to blithely ignore the will of the people, however easy it looks inside blue bubbles.

    It is not who votes, or for whom they vote for.  The real issue is who counts the votes and provides the tallies which are deemed final, and above reproach. Hah! 

    They did it blatantly, openly, without fear, 2 years ago.  What they learned then is how to refine and perfect their subterfuge and cheating ways, knowing the nice Republicans and judges won’t lift a finger to stop it.  I like to refer to them as our “special friends”. 

    Are you still that naive to think future elections will count? 

    Is it naive to think that Trump, if indicted on some “Trumped up” charge would receive a fair jury trial?  Perhaps they can reseat Bannon’s jury for that.

    Why bother; just have the J6 committee add a prime time night to convict him live for the 800,000 that might watch. 

     

     

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  10. Rodin Member
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    Percival (View Comment):

    Rodin (View Comment):
    if Mitt weasels

    When has Mitt done anything but weasel?

    Fair point.

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  11. Red Herring Coolidge
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    @EHerring

    CACrabtree (View Comment):

    Doc, I believe your Points 3 and 9 are especially relevant.

    Point 3. I believe that anyone with a functioning brain will realize the dangers to the average citizen. I’d be willing to bet that firearms (and ammo) will be flying off store shelves for the rest of the month.

    Point 9. If the usual suspects in the Republican Party begin to equivocate, they should be strongly encouraged to resign or change parties. There’s simply no reason to keep them around.

    I will be checking my inventory of self-defense ammo. You know, about 10 years ago I was in a military surplus store and asked why he was selling Howitzer tubes. He said people wanted them for burying stuff. I thought it was silly then. Now? Too bad the store closed.

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  12. CACrabtree Coolidge
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    Percival (View Comment):

    Rodin (View Comment):
    if Mitt weasels

    When has Mitt done anything but weasel?

    But he looks so good doing it…

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  13. Red Herring Coolidge
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    @EHerring

    BDB (View Comment):

    As they say, when the comms go offline, find something communist and destroy it.

    I agree that classical Civil War scenarieaux are highly improbably even in the event of a break. Still, there’s a lot of unpleasant ground between where we were “yesterday” and that easily understood point — all of it murky. And we are now in it.

    I kept trying to make this a longer comment. Gosh, there’s a lot to say. But it’s been said. Sure, it’s a five-alarm fire. But it’s a five alarm fire in a burning city.

    When the comms go offline, find something communist and destroy it.

    Yugoslavia and Bosnia come to mind.

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  14. Red Herring Coolidge
    Red Herring
    @EHerring

    You might want a little supply chain disruption emergency food.


    https://mypatriotsupply.com/

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  15. Chris O Coolidge
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    Rodin (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat: It will be interesting to see who defends Mr. Trump. We’re about to learn a great deal about various Republican leaders.

    I fear what we are going to learn. If Mitch doesn’t come down hard on this, if Mitt weasels, and so and so forth, it is hard to know why we are voting even if they would let the count be accurate.

    Yes, a soft response from Mitch may as well say, “Stay home during midterms.” You almost anticipate such a thing will come up, that thing that sours voter enthusiasm for Republicans. 

    It would matter a lot less had the caucuses and campaign committees put forth an agenda, but, of course, they’re doing it Beltway style (no promises to be responsible for).

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  16. Flicker Coolidge
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    @Flicker

    Seawriter (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Dr. B, and you were one of the first to only, oh, so mildly hint that elections were to be a thing of the past. YES! They wouldn’t do this (and many other things) unless they knew elections were no longer a real thing.

    I think you are wrong on that. They may think elections are no longer a real thing, but I suspect they will find subverting them more difficult and more dangerous than they realize. There are too many guns in this country to blithely ignore the will of the people, however easy it looks inside blue bubbles.

    Yes, guns are the opposite of elections.  Guns may happen when elections stop, but they already have stopped.  You will likely see this again in November, but it will be only by word of mouth.  Posting about it on youtube or facebook or twitter will not happen.

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  17. Keith Lowery Coolidge
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    There is a great deal that is unknown at this point and I’m very reluctant to draw too many hard conclusions. The FBI has repeatedly shown themselves to be corrupt and up to their eyeballs in perfidy. I’m happy to draw hard conclusions about that. But what the raid is actually about — it’s too soon to tell.

    But for the sake of argument, let’s assume it’s entirely political and a miscarriage of justice.  We need to ask then what they hope to accomplish.

    1. What does this do to vis-a-vis the mid-terms?
    2. If they hang an investigation around his neck and perhaps indict him for some crime – fabricated or otherwise, how does that affect the next presidential election and his ability to even mount a challenge?
    3. Is this all just some kind of no-holds-barred opposition research?
    4. Do they think he is in possession of incriminating data on Biden himself, and/or Hunter? (Of course, the entire world has incriminating data on Hunter, and it doesn’t seem to matter.) So maybe Trump’s own opposition research has turned up something that at all costs needs to be squelched. 
    5. It all smells of either arrogance or desperation, but I think it’s premature to entirely rule out desperation.
    6. If it is all brazen arrogance, I wonder to what extent the populace’s supine reaction to bureaucratic overreach during Covid has emboldened them.
    7. I would expect Republicans, by-and-large, to take the position that they can’t comment on an open investigation. Such a position offers a safe haven of ambiguity and allows them to avoid sticking their necks out too terribly far. They are not a principled lot. 
    8. There’s no near term scenario I can possibly envision in which an organic violent uprising occurs. Any violence on the part of the right – notwithstanding all of the bravado about guns – is likely to be in the noise, statistically speaking. Since the day of Trump’s inauguration in 2016 the left have been engaging in violence with impunity and without any significant pushback from the other side. It will surprise me no end if anyone, anyone at all, mounts a kinetic response that is at all effective.
    9. The left has corrupted and suborned law enforcement but they do not entirely own the courts. Yet. The right would be smart to contrive strategies that accelerate judicial review. The left has been playing a game for a while that involves inflating the cost of civil rights for conservatives. Without technically revoking civil rights, they make it prohibitively expensive and drawn out to exercise our constitutional rights. They often lose in court, but the process is the punishment even when the victim ultimately wins. Watching this process, the mass of people conclude that exercising their rights just isn’t worth it. The left knows what they’re doing in this regard.
    10. Still, if fair elections turn out to be truly unsalvageable, then violence is inevitable.
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  18. Red Herring Coolidge
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    My husband heard they were after classified. When Trump was President, he could declassify whatever he wanted. I wonder what they were really after, perhaps just on excuse.

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  19. Rodin Member
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    Red Herring (View Comment):

    My husband heard they were after classified. When Trump was President, he could declassify whatever he wanted. I wonder what they were really after, perhaps just on excuse.

    Pretext all the way. The president can declassify anything except statutorily classified info which IIRC is limited to nuclear weapons. So there is no there there. So this was an opportunity to intimidate, and possibly plant evidence. I have zero trust in anything DOJ says about the why and results of the raid.

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  20. MarciN Member
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    Rodin (View Comment):
    possibly plant evidence

    that’s what I fear too

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  21. MarciN Member
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    Was Trump’s lawyer present?  

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  22. Rodin Member
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    MarciN (View Comment):

    Was Trump’s lawyer present?

    According to Eric Trump none of the President’s lawyers were permitted to observe the search and seizures.

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  23. Red Herring Coolidge
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    Rodin (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):

    Was Trump’s lawyer present?

    According to Eric Trump none of the President’s lawyers were permitted to observe the search and seizures.

    But of course not. Can’t have Constitutional protections in the new commie utopia..

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  24. Red Herring Coolidge
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  25. Percival Thatcher
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    MarciN (View Comment):

    Rodin (View Comment):
    possibly plant evidence

    that’s what I fear too

    Given the shenanigans with the dossier, with the laptop, with the “Alfa Bank backchannel,” they face the likelihood that any “evidence” they uncover will be hooted at.

    The day has come. The next time an FBI agent is put under oath for a trial, he’s going to hear laughter. From the jury box.

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  26. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    It has always been heading this way.  It is why I have always been a card carrying dues paying Democrat.  This is why I have refused to purchase Trump stuff or publicly support him.  It may be time to leave this forum in order to survive what is coming.  Time to find a hole and get in it and pull in the hole.

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  27. Flicker Coolidge
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    Rodin (View Comment):

    Red Herring (View Comment):

    My husband heard they were after classified. When Trump was President, he could declassify whatever he wanted. I wonder what they were really after, perhaps just on excuse.

    Pretext all the way. The president can declassify anything except statutorily classified info which IIRC is limited to nuclear weapons. So there is no there there. So this was an opportunity to intimidate, and possibly plant evidence. I have zero trust in anything DOJ says about the why and results of the raid.

    The CIA does have the ability to plant classified documents or child p0rn evidence on any computer.

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  28. Nohaaj Coolidge
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    Percival (View Comment):
    Given the shenanigans with the dossier, with the laptop, with the “Alfa Bank backchannel,” they face the likelihood that any “evidence” they uncover will be hooted at.

    Can I have some of what ever it is you are smoking?  Because that has got to be some serious %hit!  Happy Hallucinogens!

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  29. MWD B612 "Dawg" Member
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    Red Herring (View Comment):

    The Dems better not want a civil war. It won’t be like the last one. People can go down to the voter registration office and get a list of who is registered in the other party. It would not be a few redneck MAGAs against tanks and fighters like they think. It wouldn’t be two countries fighting each other like in our last civil war. It wouldn’t even be states against states, but people against people. These Democrats are insane. All those who voted for Trump must realize they feel the same about all of us. How long before they get our voter registration lists and send armed IRS agents to our houses. Beginning to think those IRS agents aren’t all auditors.

    The Dems crossed the redline when they fabricated a reason to impeach Trump the first time.

    I’ve said this here for some time. The next civil war won’t be two nation-states against each other. It’ll be Yugoslavia and the Troubles writ large. 

    And if the military comes into play, well, all those tank drivers and aircraft pilots have families who will be seen as fair game. G-d help us.

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  30. Hang On Member
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    Rodin (View Comment):

    Red Herring (View Comment):

    My husband heard they were after classified. When Trump was President, he could declassify whatever he wanted. I wonder what they were really after, perhaps just on excuse.

    Pretext all the way. The president can declassify anything except statutorily classified info which IIRC is limited to nuclear weapons. So there is no there there. So this was an opportunity to intimidate, and possibly plant evidence. I have zero trust in anything DOJ says about the why and results of the raid.

    My guess is that there was only one copy of some group of documents because all other copies were deleted/destroyed. And Trump had the documents and they were very bad for the FBI and/or some other alphabet agency. Probably several. 

     

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