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Talk Me into Supporting Trump Again
This came up today.
As Donald J. Trump weighs whether to open an unusually early White House campaign, a New York Times/Siena College poll shows that his post-presidential quest to consolidate his support within the Republican Party has instead left him weakened, with nearly half the party’s primary voters seeking someone different for president in 2024 and a significant number vowing to abandon him if he wins the nomination.
By focusing on political payback inside his party instead of tending to wounds opened by his alarming attempts to cling to power after his 2020 defeat, Mr. Trump appears to have only deepened fault lines among Republicans during his yearlong revenge tour. A clear majority of primary voters under 35 years old, 64 percent, as well as 65 percent of those with at least a college degree — a leading indicator of political preferences inside the donor class — told pollsters they would vote against Mr. Trump in a presidential primary.
Let’s have a discussion. Should we, or should we not, encourage Mr. Trump to run again?
If he runs again, should we support him in the primaries over Mr. DeSantis, Mr. Cruz, Ms. Noem, others?
I take it as a given that all but one of us would support him in the general, if we are unfortunate enough to have him win the nomination.
My opinion (as someone who loves the man for his outspoken love of country and for all the good he did despite the array of forces stacked against him) is that we should not encourage him, not support him against other Republicans, but fall in line if he does get the nomination. My logic is that his history makes him toxic. He is likely the only candidate whom Mr. Biden could defeat. If elected, he would be even more ineffective than he was in 2017, when he used a historic alignment of forces to accomplish no major legislation, to appoint three sterling justices, to move an embassy, and to otherwise do nothing of lasting importance. Also, if re-elected, he could not stand for a third term of office.
Talk me out of it.
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Finish your fleas and parrots first, son.
Yeah… he played to win, but attempted to be a good sport after winning. I’m not entirely certain I’d describe him as dirty, either. He used stuff widely available to the public, not personal campaign oppo research.
Nothing succeeds like success. I don’t think the Ds need to find new ways to cheat — the old ways are working just fine. Mail-in voting is alive and well, and drop-box stuffing is hardly under control. unless we mean under Democrat control. Manufactured or over-inflated crises do not disappear when they are not allowed to “go to waste”. No need to stop cheating just because the most recent cover story for cheating is no longer making hea– what’s that? A new variant? Well, yes, it is the mid-terms.
I regret that I have but one like to give.
Sometimes a person will discover that another person rubs him the wrong way, and will attempt but fail to put the ‘why’ into words.
That is what happens with Trump.
And the ‘whys’ simply make no sense.
Does a person have to bring up anti-abortion, pro-life sentiments in every statement in order to pass muster with some here?
Very very tiresome. And in the way you set up my denouncement, rather looking like your “logical argument” is from the big book of logical fallacies.
I have no clue what you are talking about. I did not post that line and thus will not defend it.
A: not my comment. Not sure what is up with people putting my name on others comments here.
B: fleas? parrots are not much on fleas, mites on the other hand sure.
No just a point that civil rights, human rights or just rights are slippery definitions. Nowadays it basically means what I want to do. Thus the mention of abortion. It is a right by most peoples point of view though one would be hard pressed to find anything historically that points to it.
It’s a bug.
Everyone here has weighed in on abortion. Often and repeatedly as needed.
Very few people here in the USA know that 200 people were killed in the Summer Rampages that occurred from May 29th ’20 right up to the time when Rittenhouse defended himself and shut the Left Up.
And that was under Trump. Should another event set off a second round of more Rampage, we now have Biden, who assuredly will give those who do the most damage and commit the most murders presidential awards.
A: It was OmegaPaladin, sorry about that.
B: Fleas are the poor people’s crickets.
This is worth noting well. Thanks CarolJoy.
That’s a great pick too! I can almost see James Lyleks in the role twisting every question into a talking point (instead of an ad).
Can we toss some Larry Kudlow in there?
No, no, no, no, no. That would be madness. Please, Republican primary voters, don’t throw away this golden opportunity. Find someone younger and saner than our version of Captain Ahab to support.
No.
Besides, he’s more of a whale.
Sit tight through the Mid Terms. A lot is going to change, and it just might be for the better politically. Let the people speak in legal elections!
I agree. It is much harder to have widespread massive cheating in the midterms for House seats. We’ll have to see what happens for Senate seats where such cheating can take place in the big Democrat-run cities..
I love Larry’s show – I recall he had some health issues when he supported the Trump admin but definitely is a no nonsense steady hand. Chair of Council of Economic Advisors – advising the DeSantis Administration on economic policy? Perfect!
Ann is much too fickle to be in that position. She’d get upset over some disagreement and walk off the job.
One question I would ask of any Republican who runs for President, including Donald Trump.
If elected, would you, on Day One, repeal the Kennedy Executive Order allowing government employees to unionize? Anyone who said an unequivocal Yes would have my vote. No ifs, ands, or buts allowed. That one EO basically made the Administrative Swamp un-drainable.
Heck, I’d just ask Kayleigh back. She was awesome.
We did that in 2016 and DJT blew them out of the water.
Do you really think Biden was EVER any smarter?
I think DeSantis realizes the VP position is a bucket of warm urine. I can see him as President or Governor, I don’t see him as a VP.
If smarter means quicker on the uptake and responding to stimuli, I think he was a lot more verbally facile, and capable of making extemporaneous and appropriate, if uniquely underhanded or mean spirited, statements that made a particular point. Watching clips of him, even his gaffes, while running for office in 2020 show a much quicker Biden with a much better enunciation and grip on the material.
The fact that he now has to squint at the teleprompter or the page and take a second to study it to get the superficial sense of his next sentence, and then read it slowly and slur his speech and even misspeak the sentence, shows his recent decline. I will say that the Dems don’t really care about his deficits except so far as it might make it difficult for him to repeat a creditable race in 2024.
Maybe Jen pSkai came to a different impression.
I just hope that if we go all in for DeSantis in an emotional pitch driven by the Democrats’ hating Trump and our desire to get out of their line of fire by nominating a more socially acceptable candidate, we don’t turn on DeSantis a year into his first term. That seems to be our political habit, and it’s not conducive to attracting talented leaders. I wouldn’t work for us.
I like the fact that Republicans are critical of their own candidates and elected members. But sometimes our criticisms are simply arbitrary and argumentative for sake of argument rather than objective judgments.
We will never be happy with any candidate or anyone elected to office if we don’t figure out what we want and what our priorities are.
I would never work for Donald Trump. He is very harsh with people, and I don’t like being around that. And if he were my employer or client, he would make me very nervous. I don’t agree with him on many subjects, beginning with his negative attitude toward GW, someone I greatly admire. But he did a great many things I wanted to see done, and I agree with him on the really important things like American economics and the Iran Deal and Israel. And his judgment day to day matched mine. In short, I think he was a great president. I got what I wanted. But that’s because I have a clear set of priorities in my head.
There is a new New York magazine profile of Trump with an interview—not sure if it’s paywalled—and, if he’s correctly quoted, it’s clear he’s running. Apparently, he was thinking about announcing on the Fourth, but now may wait until after the mid-terms. This is a giant elephant in the room, and it seems unlikely that he will play nice with anyone who runs against him. I would say that it’s less than 50-50 that De Santis goes for it if Trump is in the way.
That does not surprise me at all to read.
Watching Biden, Trump has got to be boiling over.
I don’t see a solution for the Republican Party. I like DeSantis because his is a new voice and people will listen just for the novelty of it. That’s really important because we’ve become very dysfunctional politically. Neither side listens to the other anymore. I hope DeSantis can break that logjam. We Americans have to work together.
Or at least I was thinking DeSantis might be able to do that, but I was talking with a Democratic friend of mine last weekend, and I casually mentioned DeSantis, saying I liked the way he handled the pandemic. I received an annoyed and hateful stare in return. “You DO?” It made me realize that some of the pandemic damage the Democrats have already done to DeSantis is pretty serious, and we shouldn’t nominate him with the idea that he is going to go over much better than Trump did.
I can see advantages to either one, Trump or DeSantis. I’d lean toward Trump right now because I think our problems are economic, not legal. DeSantis is a lawyer. Trump is a businessman.