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Talk Me into Supporting Trump Again
This came up today.
As Donald J. Trump weighs whether to open an unusually early White House campaign, a New York Times/Siena College poll shows that his post-presidential quest to consolidate his support within the Republican Party has instead left him weakened, with nearly half the party’s primary voters seeking someone different for president in 2024 and a significant number vowing to abandon him if he wins the nomination.
By focusing on political payback inside his party instead of tending to wounds opened by his alarming attempts to cling to power after his 2020 defeat, Mr. Trump appears to have only deepened fault lines among Republicans during his yearlong revenge tour. A clear majority of primary voters under 35 years old, 64 percent, as well as 65 percent of those with at least a college degree — a leading indicator of political preferences inside the donor class — told pollsters they would vote against Mr. Trump in a presidential primary.
Let’s have a discussion. Should we, or should we not, encourage Mr. Trump to run again?
If he runs again, should we support him in the primaries over Mr. DeSantis, Mr. Cruz, Ms. Noem, others?
I take it as a given that all but one of us would support him in the general, if we are unfortunate enough to have him win the nomination.
My opinion (as someone who loves the man for his outspoken love of country and for all the good he did despite the array of forces stacked against him) is that we should not encourage him, not support him against other Republicans, but fall in line if he does get the nomination. My logic is that his history makes him toxic. He is likely the only candidate whom Mr. Biden could defeat. If elected, he would be even more ineffective than he was in 2017, when he used a historic alignment of forces to accomplish no major legislation, to appoint three sterling justices, to move an embassy, and to otherwise do nothing of lasting importance. Also, if re-elected, he could not stand for a third term of office.
Talk me out of it.
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That is my concern, too. I do not want Trump to be the nominee, but if he is not, how many Republicans will boycott the general election the way some Republicans boycotted the Georgia Senate run-off election? In 2015/16 every time Trump lost a state caucus/primary election, he claimed it was rigged. Most people laughed off such claims. At this stage, though, how many Republicans are there who will believe this claim every time they hear it? If it’s thousands, OK. If they number in the millions, we’re screwed.
I think whether Trump’s supporters vote for his opponents will depend a lot on their positions on the issues: “climate change,” Iran, Israel, China, Taiwan, Ukraine, immigration, voting laws, election law, and tax policy, for starters.
I don’t think Trump will run as a third-party candidate. He has had more than enough reason and opportunity to do so, and he always wisely says no.
This was the desired effect of Obama warning Trump about only two people — Kim Jong Un (or whichever one it was) and Gen Flynn.
Flynn had the goods on the deep state / intel community gov’t within a gov’t, and wanted to root them out. They got him first.
Nah, bro.
All I want to convince you to do is to vote for him if he does become the Republican candidate in the general election.
I’d like him again but I’m not married to him – though I will admit to a cussed streak that makes me want him to succeed after so many nasty people have lied, cheated, and stolen to prevent him from succeeding. I don’t automatically love underdogs, but I do have a soft spot for the screwed-over.
I agree with much of what you wrote, but do feel it is quite unfair to state he did nothing of lasting importance.
As after all, was that really his fault?
He turned the country around, in places where hope had been taken hostage by numerous regulations. Minnesota went from deep blue to purple, as the mining districts of the Duluth region were again open for business and young people could go off to work each day at well paying jobs.
Same thing with all the many, many clusters of Big Energy operations – even cashiers at 7 Elevens were being paid 17 bucks an hour as these became boom towns…
Is it his fault that the entire cabal of WEF/WHO/UN descended on him? The manufactured COVID crisis managed to pull the rug out from him, and not only him, but the whole country. Within 6 weeks of the COVID crisis being made official, by Trump’s own statement of March 13th 2020 that COVID held a national emergency status, 22 million people were unemployed.
Suicide rates exploded. People who had been sober for years returned to booze and/or drugs. Even the San Francisco Chronicle, quite happy in its role that COVID was the worst thing ever, had to run an article showing a historic level of drug overdoses and deaths related to booze intake exceeded COVID deaths within the city proper.
Trump does have a legacy. Of course, you & I might not find it in the now hollowed-out world of empty store shelves, of American tax monies going off to the Ukraine where it is laundered, and of the resulting rampant inflation, but the legacy exists.
The SCOTUS decisions which rocked the world on both the gun control front & the abortion front are part of that legacy.
But equally important is the tone of your article. The candidate that I am betting you prefer, DeSantis, is the same one many others including myself prefer. The governor of Florida rode into office on the same wave that Trump did: populism combined with integrity, courage and intelligence.
Trump ran against the Deep State. (How much easier his life would have been if he hadn’t, right?) He managed his executive position rallying against the forces that had sent our jobs overseas. These forces had been strong enough to over-regulate energy firms out of existence, such that we had to wage wars to have enough oil/gas. He showed we can be energy independent. That we can have a working economy.
The fact that people across the US have rallied on behalf of DeSantis may be his biggest, most important legacy. Had he lost in 2016, we would feel our thoughts & beliefs, which continually languished in our hearts and minds against the evil Deep State, were ours alone, & that we were not enough of a voice to create a real change.
Because of him, we know that we can be a real change. Because we have the power.
Well that is one way to explain away the coming Democrat win via theft.
They won with Biden. So yes they can throw anybody out there and win.
Quality? They ran FJB and Willie Brown’s side chick
I have. They are convinced that every other politician is part of the swamp and only the Donald can muck out the stables. And there is something to be said for that position. I’ll go so far as to say “most other politicians”. But whomever the nominee is I’ll support them and go vote. But there are those who’ll say a plague on both your houses and stay home or just vote the down ballot closer to home races. But I hope you are right and they are few and far between.
With an incredible (should we say fraudulent) campaign apparatus that overwhelmed the opposition with the country reeling from a pandemic. I have serious doubts that happens again
Based on the rallies, I think that there are a significant number of people who may have been motivated to vote for Trump as opposed to just sitting home. Capturing those people would be the challenge for a non-Trump ticket.
I’d love you to point those people out.
Where are they?
The backstabbers are the Never Trumpers, not Trump supporters. We are not the people who refused to back the GOP Nominee.
If this group actually exists in big enough numbers to sway the General, Trump will win the Primary.
If Romney is the nominee, yeah, a plague on both your houses.
There are only 3 likely Democrat candidates that Trump might beat: Biden, Harris, and Clinton. The list was probably longer in 2016, but 8 years later that’s where it is. I don’t think any of those three will be on the Dem ticket come 2024. It will likely be Hair-Newsom or Bute-baby-gig, or that CO govn’r, or similar. Against any of them Trump looks old, from the past, and compares unfavorably.
The risk is too great to him and to us. That is why I am leaning DeSantis. He displays the fighting temperament and skill of Trump, along with policy & personnel chops, and hasn’t put a foot wrong yet. At this point I would like to see DeSantis at the top, Nikki Haley as VP (yes, I’m aware of the complaints against her, but she also does very well with the White W(h)ine Women of suburbia). I’d also like to see Tom Cotton as SecDef and Larry Kudlow at Treasury.
Don’t get me wrong, if Trump wins the nomination I will be in 100%, but there’s an awful lot at stake.
The recent surveys don’t support this pessimism.
The second paragraph of the article that you cited is this one:
By focusing on political payback inside his party instead of tending to wounds opened by his alarming attempts to cling to power after his 2020 defeat, Mr. Trump appears to have only deepened fault lines among Republicans during his yearlong revenge tour. A clear majority of primary voters under 35 years old, 64 percent, as well as 65 percent of those with at least a college degree — a leading indicator of political preferences inside the donor class — told pollsters they would vote against Mr. Trump in a presidential primary.
I think a great many Republicans are upset with Trump not for his insisting that he won the election, but for his continuing to promote the vaccines.
Also many people are upset he did not fire Fauci, and Birx and for that matter, maybe execute an Presidential Order that HCQ plus zinc and ivermectin be made available to the public. (As I type this, rumor has it Biden is going to create a federal mandate for vaccinating everyone – even though the natural cases of COV are subsiding.)
I am upset with him for not following Eisenhower and JFK’s example and putting Fed troops on the line at the very beginning of the 2020 Summer of Rampage Because We Are Grieving.
States’ rights end when individual citizens are being harmed by a governor’s attitude or the out of control activities of a mob within a state. It doesn’t matter if it is black children being the first kids to attend white Southern schools, or shop owners in inner city neighborhoods – if a governor will not protect the citizens, the President can and must intervene
From my post: “I take it as a given that all but one of us would support him in the general, if we are unfortunate enough to have him win the nomination.” I’m not the one in question, btw. But I hope very much that he is not the nominee.
I was for Romney in the general and I think I learned my lesson. One, he can’t win, and two, he has no core values.
Added: I was for McCain in the general, too. And look what he did.
I don’t think putting up just any old candidate will help.
A big assist to the potential cheaters in each state is the popular election within states of the Electoral College Presidential Electors. Big extra fraudulent chunks of votes in the large urban areas, Democrat controlled cities, have little effect on the composition of the state legislative offices but can cause a total reversal of the statewide vote for Presidential Electors because they are decided by statewide popular vote. State legislatures should consider changing this since they have absolute constitutional authority over how this is done.
Both were functional Democrats and proved the existence of the Uniparty.
I don’t vote for the Uniparty.
Who knows. If the USA is still around in 2030, Hunter could be Prez.
Stad, I usually agree with you, but Kristi is all about Kristi and is not trustworthy. She has been weaselly about a few issues – men in women’s sports being one of them.
I also thought Hillary would beat Trump. I was wrong. While I would vote for Trump over any Democrat, I still would prefer several others as the nominee.
Why not run Obama on a platform of Shut Up You Racist! and winning 500 percent of the vote? After that he would make all Republicans transition by force, nuke Israel, and eat your parrots.
Don’t eat the parrots. Don’t eat anything that can verbally protest. Otherwise, I agree.
So you are for the POTUS going in and forcing abortion on the states? Rights are funny things. One person rights is another repression
I don’t think she’s ready for prime time, but I think she got a bit of a bad rap on the “women in sports” thing.
Are they not doing a form of that now? Does a day go by that the Dems do not call the GOP / Right, racist, sexist, hateful, homophobic, xenophobic, bigots. And they win by popular vote every single time. And while I do not think they would eat my parrot. They would put it down in some twisted view of saving the planet. Then outlaw all pet ownership on an animal rights platform.
If you are referring to school segregation , federal troops were deployed because minority civil rights were being violated by state authority, very different from failure to act responsibly in the Summer of Rampage. As a matter of fact there is a continuing case of this by DA’s in Ca and NY today and no reason for federal intervention, it is a state matter or a matter for individual legal action.
Who is the use of the term “the donor class” describing here?