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Talk Me into Supporting Trump Again
This came up today.
As Donald J. Trump weighs whether to open an unusually early White House campaign, a New York Times/Siena College poll shows that his post-presidential quest to consolidate his support within the Republican Party has instead left him weakened, with nearly half the party’s primary voters seeking someone different for president in 2024 and a significant number vowing to abandon him if he wins the nomination.
By focusing on political payback inside his party instead of tending to wounds opened by his alarming attempts to cling to power after his 2020 defeat, Mr. Trump appears to have only deepened fault lines among Republicans during his yearlong revenge tour. A clear majority of primary voters under 35 years old, 64 percent, as well as 65 percent of those with at least a college degree — a leading indicator of political preferences inside the donor class — told pollsters they would vote against Mr. Trump in a presidential primary.
Let’s have a discussion. Should we, or should we not, encourage Mr. Trump to run again?
If he runs again, should we support him in the primaries over Mr. DeSantis, Mr. Cruz, Ms. Noem, others?
I take it as a given that all but one of us would support him in the general, if we are unfortunate enough to have him win the nomination.
My opinion (as someone who loves the man for his outspoken love of country and for all the good he did despite the array of forces stacked against him) is that we should not encourage him, not support him against other Republicans, but fall in line if he does get the nomination. My logic is that his history makes him toxic. He is likely the only candidate whom Mr. Biden could defeat. If elected, he would be even more ineffective than he was in 2017, when he used a historic alignment of forces to accomplish no major legislation, to appoint three sterling justices, to move an embassy, and to otherwise do nothing of lasting importance. Also, if re-elected, he could not stand for a third term of office.
Talk me out of it.
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You forgot “transphobic” “UltraMAGA!” and “white supremacist.” And you really want to throw in “nationalist” and “populist” although those slurs against the right generally come from Republicans.
No one will be happier than me if I’m wrong
Chamber of Commerce Republicans who just buy their candidates at whatever the going rate is.
What IS the going rate currently?
This, I think, is spot on!
Only one data point, but I hadn’t voted for a repub since 2000 until 2020. Sat out 2016, but after seeing Trump in action and seeing the GOPe back-stab him, I donated enough to his 2020 campaign to get on AOC’s hit list.
BTW, I never voted Demo-rat, but just left the top slot blank.
You can not buy a politician. Only lease them for periods of time or events.
Robert Heinlein had a great line in one of his stories: He’s an honest politician. He stays bought.
Nor should he. Presidentin’ is a job. Get busy.
Why on earth would it not?
Don’t eat the green ones, anyway. They’re not ripe.
I suggest not trying to eat any animals that has biting power a few times stronger than yours. They basically fly around with can openers on their face. I have seen some of the Amazons take apart a master key lock in about 3 days.
I wondered why they had no taste.
I dunno. You can scare some of the people some of the time but you can scare those same people over and over.
What kind of monster expects someone to read a whole post before commenting?!
A CNN sinecure and three get-out-of-cancellation-free cards.
Here is my 2024 Dream Team:
DeSantis / Haley – Ticket shows there are grown ups in the room who are young, thoughtful, experienced and can communicate.
Pompeo – Sec of State who successfully didn’t start wars (with Condi Rice as special aide for Russia negotiations)
Cotton – Sec Def
Allen West – Sec Homeland (build the wall)
Thomas Massie – Sec of Energy (get the pipelines built, nuclear fast tracked)
Scott Walker – Sec of Transport (fix supply chains – dock worker unions)
John Campbell – Sec of Treasury
Bobby Jindal – Sec HHS w/ special mandate to lead changes in CDC, FDA to prevent another COVID disaster.
Shellenberger – Sec of HUD (author of SanFransicko)
DeVos – Sec Education
Laura Ingram – Press Secretary
Civil rights are civil rights. The right to life is a top priority when “civil rights” are being discussed. Civil rights of a minority based on skin color do not matter any more than the right of any American to not be brutally killed by Communist-inspired traitors.
Plus the BLM thugs descending on the crowd of African Americans out for a stroll on a sunny Aug weekend in Chicago were taking the lives of a minority, so there is that. A great number of the people killed by the AntiFa and BLM over that summer were people of color. Being killed by baseball bats wrapped in barbed wire, or being pummeled to death with iron pipes is not at all something I can imagine Eisenhower or JFK stomaching.
Even if those traitors are revered by the Left and supported by millions of dollars by big corporations.
I have no idea what the reporter writing that article on the recent polling meant when using that expression.
Maybe it was assumed by the author that if a person goes to college they then become a professional like a doctor, CEO or attorney.
But the more recent election contests in the US show the power of small time donors, who pony up under a thousand bucks a piece even if they are only a janitor, hair stylist or truck driver. Obama did quite well with small time donations. Bernie Sanders did too, except he stepped side when the Clintons had the DNC swipe his enormous donation monies and put the funds into a pot destined for Hillary’s campaign coffers.
Almost perfect. Substitute Ann Coulter for Laura Ingram and I’m on board!
I’m not going to talk you out of anything. The polls tell the tale at the moment and Trump leads the GOP field so he’s the likely candidate for the moment. Let’s see what the midterms bring and after that if Biden remains in office. It’ll be a brand new game then. I’ll vote for Trump easily but that’s me.
We will lose if we dump Trump, but would probably lose if we run him. He has to remain the candidate and when the Democrats pick someone other than Biden, Trump leaves and backs the Republican who will probably be De Santis. That’s how we win because the Democrats will manufacture 10 to 20 percent of the vote and if the candidate is Trump too many will ignore the fraud. I don’t think folks understand how the next Presidential election is about the future existence of the US. If Democrats win they will continue to centralize and that will destroy the country. Folks seem to think that the most complex economy in man’s history can be run by a bunch of technocrats or narrow digital companies from the top. That’s insane.
I didn’t vote for Trump in the primary, but I voted for him in the national election because the Democrats didn’t give me a decent alternative, and I don’t think they ever will. In fact, the possibility is becoming less and less likely.
I suspect it may go the same way in 2024. I won’t vote for Biden/Hillary/Mrs. Obama/et al., and I won’t waste my vote.
I suspect that Eisenhower or JFK would be just fine with anything that kept them in power and got them their way.
Better preparation by the Republicans and a diminished response to the pandemic. It’s already happened in Wisconsin. Speculation that Democrats will just find new ways to cheat is just that.
I don’t even know what “scorched earth” means in this context. Trump embraced former foes, once elected.
If he won, he would have to set new rules right away.
I think Trump relies on good and capable assistants, excellent even. And he delegates a lot. And I don’t think he wants anyone to be a minor character.
Yeah, there certainly was a double standard on supporting the nominee, wasn’t there.