‘2000 Mules’: Election Drop Boxes, ‘Geofencing,’ and ‘The Big Lie’

 

“We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics.” Joe Biden

Those were the exact words from a grainy clip of then-presidential candidate Joe Biden that opens a new movie by conservative author, pundit, and filmmaker Dinesh D’Souza, ‘“2000 Mules.” It was seen as just another gaffe by a candidate with a long history of malapropisms.

Salem Media Group and True the Vote (TTV) produced the movie. D’Souza relies on research from TTV’s President, Catherine Englebrecht, and TTV board member Gregg Phillips, a former state health official in Texas and Mississippi. Phillips also is a data analyst and the founder of several technology-related firms. He claims in the movie to have been “in and around” election integrity and analysis for 40 years.

Phillips is no stranger to controversy. He was the source of claims made by President Trump in 2017, never confirmed, that 3 million illegal votes were cast in the 2016 election. Mainstream media has worked overtime to discredit him and TTV, including a major investor’s claim that he was duped and other unsubstantiated claims. Yet, Phillips and TTV persist.

D’Souza, who launched a podcast in 2021 on the Salem platform, sets the stage with clips from three Republicans – former Attorney General Bill Barr (“Fraud did not play a role in the outcome of the election”), US Sen. Mike Rounds (“the election was fair”), and of course, US Rep. Liz Cheney (R-WY). He touches on “J6” at the US Capitol, claiming it “wasn’t an insurrection. It was a primal scream. They wanted their elected leaders to adjudicate the claims of election fraud.”

“We can’t ‘move on’ until we know the truth,” D’Souza continues. “Is it a ‘big lie?’ It is a lie at all?”

D’Souza also relies on a panel of Salem radio talk show and podcast hosts, including Dennis Prager, Eric Metaxas, Larry Elder, Charlie Kirk, and former Trump administration official Dr. Sebastian Gorka. Most express reservations about election fraud claims in the first interviews.

By the end of the movie, they’re aghast. You may be, too. One of the retorts we often hear concerning claims of vote fraud is the phrase “without evidence.” Except that D’Souza, Englebrecht, and Phillips provide actual official footage of crimes committed by “mules” in the form of drop-box stuffing of ballots, often during the dark of night. Most states, including Pennsylvania – a particular focus of illegal election activity in the movie – prohibit voters from casting more than one ballot, their own, at drop boxes.

Drop boxes – many of them privately funded via $400 million from Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg through the left-wing Center for Tech and Civic Life – were a unique feature of the pandemic-scarred 2020 election. Most were placed in Democratic-leaning counties and jurisdictions.

Here’s a dropbox outside of Arlington County, Virginia offices in the 2021 state elections.

Interestingly, as The Federalist reported, “Facebook has banned Trump from its platform and has delisted individuals — many of them conservatives — for espousing views about the election that it insists are “misinformation.”

Credit D’Souza for asking all the right questions throughout the movie. Let’s take one of the first: if Biden was so successful, why did Democrats lose so many down-ballot races for US House and other races? After all, a newly-elected President usually has coattails and sees increases in his party’s hold on Congress.

House Republicans gained 14 seats in 2020. In fairness, much of that is a rebound from the 2018 election when the GOP lost 40 seats. But, still, it is an anomaly for a new President to lose seats.

Pennsylvania is a better example. Biden “won” the state with 3.46 million votes and a margin of about 80,000 with 6.915 million votes cast. On election night, Trump led by nearly 800,000 votes before mail votes were counted. There were three other statewide elections for Attorney General, Treasurer, and Auditor General. Democrats held all, and other than Auditor General, a popular Democratic incumbent was on the ballot.

While Attorney General and 2022 Democratic gubernatorial nominee presumptive Josh Shapiro narrowly won reelection, the total ballots cast for Attorney General were over 110,000 fewer than for President.

Republican challengers Stacey Garritty (Treasurer) and Tim DeFoer (Auditor-General) won the other two races for the first time in several years. The ballot drop-off in those elections was nearly 150,000.

There are two explanations. First, a drop-off in ballots cast for down-ballot races is not uncommon, although 109,000 seems high. Second, in Act 77, the Pennsylvania legislature eliminated a ballot box for straight-party voting in 2020. If you are committing fraud by producing as many ballots as possible and only have time to mark one box, it will be for the top of the ballot – the presidency. Thus, the drop-off.

Phillips explained how TTV’s research worked. They obtained some 10 trillion cell phone “signals” using a petabyte of data. They narrowed their research to focus on “signals” that visited ten or more election drop boxes and five or more visits to “nonprofit” organizations that have collected ballots, starting in Georgia. They expanded their research to include Michigan, Wisconsin, Arizona, and Pennsylvania.

Remember, most state laws, including Pennsylvania, restrict the number of ballots (one) that any single voter can cast at a dropbox. Ballot harvesting – collecting and delivering ballots on behalf of voters – is illegal in most states. While most states have provisions to allow others to deliver ballots on their behalf, it is highly restricted.

A “mule” is a person who picks up ballots from an organization – “stash houses” – and delivers them to a series of drop boxes. According to Engelbrecht’s sources, mules are typically paid about $10 per ballot. They often take selfies of them depositing ballots to ensure payment. “In the Georgia (US Senate runoff, January 5, 2021), that payment was higher.”

Dozens of mules who participated in violent Antifa-BLM riots in Atlanta were also mules in the 2020 election, reports Phillips. Over 240 mules were identified in Atlanta. Some mules, especially in Michigan, visited about 100 dropboxes.

BLM rioters also were utilized as mules to drop ballots at multiple dropbox locations in Atlanta.

There were 1,100 mules identified in Philadelphia – many of driving back and forth across bridges from New Jersey – visiting as many as 50 drop boxes each. And TTV has 4 million minutes of surveillance video from across the country to help prove their case, obtained through open records requests. Except Wisconsin has no video, even though it was required under state law. Other jurisdictions, such as Arizona, turned off some footage. But where they do, TTV has the geospatial data to support the video.

Here is an Atlanta “mule” depositing – and dropping – ballots he’s stuffing into a dropbox during the night.

At one Gwinnett County, Georgia, 271 voters were videotaped dropping ballots at a drop box. Over 1,962 ballots were deposited, according to official “chain of custody” documents.

“This is organized crime,” Phillips asserts. With evidence. It appears even to violate federal racketeering laws (RICO).

And this is only from the first half of the movie. Watch the rest. You can access it here.

What will be done about this, given that Republican candidates are punished for making election fraud a top issue? Worse, can we expect the Biden Administration’s Justice Department to do anything?

The good news is that some jurisdictions are taking action, including either eliminating dropboxes or increasing surveillance. Some eighteen state laws have been changed to prevent “Zuckbucks” from privately subsidizing official elections, including Georgia. As for geofencing, a tool used chiefly by advertisers and law enforcement agencies, it is proving to be a valuable tool in elections. Including exposing fraudulent activity.

D’Souza then asks the $64,000 question – was the scope of election fraud big enough to tip the balance in the 2020 election. He says yes, especially in Georgia, Arizona, and Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. The combined electoral votes from those three states were enough to put Biden over the top.

D’Souza leaves many questions unanswered. He does not disclose the names of “nonprofits” who acted as “stash houses” for mules to pick up and deposit multiple ballots. Where and how did these stash houses collect ballots? Where did the money come from to subsidize this effort? Will TTV provide this data to law enforcement authorities? Nowhere in America is it legal for nonprofit organizations to collect ballots and pay mules to deliver them, D’Souza asserts. Some 2000 mules visited 38 dropboxes each to deposit nearly 400,000 illegally-cast votes.

Associated Press attempted to “fact check” the movie. AP claims falsely that the film is based on a flawed analysis of geofenced data. They claim it isn’t precise, but that is laughably false. Drive up to any gasoline retailer who uses geospatial data to spot your presence at their pumps to text you with special deals. It has happened to me. Further, Phillips cited an instance where their geospatial data helped identify an alleged killer in Atlanta at the precise location where the murder occurred. The alleged killer has been arrested.

Election fraud is hard to prove. It takes time, money, and much effort, much more than was available between the November 2020 election and swearing-in day just 10 weeks later. There are unanswered questions. But eventually, the truth comes out. Like it or not, D’Souza has upped the anty on election integrity for the 2022 election. Local and state officials had better be prepared to respond.

Joe Biden might have been correct. Democrats and their allies may have created the largest and most inclusive voter fraud organization in American political history. Will we ever know with certainty?

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  1. MWD B612 "Dawg" Member
    MWD B612 "Dawg"
    @danok1

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    Beliefs about the 2020 Election tend to be premised on a false dichotomy: You’re either “Stolen Election” or “Big Lie.” I think it’s more of a continuum.

    0 – The 2020 election was absolutely clean, the fairest election in history, and exactly as reported.

    1 – There were some minor shenanigans at the margins, but they had no effect on the outcome.

    2 – There was a moderate level of shenanigans, and they could have changed the outcome of the election, but probably not.

    3- There were significant irregularities involving primarily mail-in ballots and these may have changed the outcome of the election.

    4 – There was major fraud involving a large but known number of illegitimate votes that most likely swung the election in purple states like Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Georgia, and Arizona.

    5- There was a massive collaboration between the Deep State, the Democrat Party, and Activist Organizations funded by Zuckerberg and Soros that generated millions of illegitimate votes to steal the election.

    I’m about at a 3. Where are you?

    I’m at 3. If the analysis Kelly lays out holds up, I’ll be around a 4.5. I suppose I’ll have to try to make time to watch the movie.

    I’m a little surprised the resident “Reagan Republican” hasn’t shown up on any of these posts to state “There’s no evidence! There were 60+ court cases and they all held that the elections were without fraud!” (NB: He never admits that the vast majority were dismissed because of standing, etc.)

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  2. Justin Other Lawyer Coolidge
    Justin Other Lawyer
    @DouglasMyers

    MWD B612 "Dawg" (View Comment):

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    Beliefs about the 2020 Election tend to be premised on a false dichotomy: You’re either “Stolen Election” or “Big Lie.” I think it’s more of a continuum.

    0 – The 2020 election was absolutely clean, the fairest election in history, and exactly as reported.

    1 – There were some minor shenanigans at the margins, but they had no effect on the outcome.

    2 – There was a moderate level of shenanigans, and they could have changed the outcome of the election, but probably not.

    3- There were significant irregularities involving primarily mail-in ballots and these may have changed the outcome of the election.

    4 – There was major fraud involving a large but known number of illegitimate votes that most likely swung the election in purple states like Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Georgia, and Arizona.

    5- There was a massive collaboration between the Deep State, the Democrat Party, and Activist Organizations funded by Zuckerberg and Soros that generated millions of illegitimate votes to steal the election.

    I’m about at a 3. Where are you?

    I’m at 3. If the analysis Kelly lays out holds up, I’ll be around a 4.5. I suppose I’ll have to try to make time to watch the movie.

    I’m a little surprised the resident “Reagan Republican” hasn’t shown up on any of these posts to state “There’s no evidence! There were 60+ court cases and they all held that the elections were without fraud!” (NB: He never admits that the vast majority were dismissed because of standing, etc.)

    And to be fair to the judges, at least in many of the cases, they were presented with bare allegations that had no evidentiary support.  They needed adjudicated quickly (because of the timeline for certifying the elections), so there often was no satisfactory path forward.  Notice the amount of time and effort went into the analysis for this movie.  In Nov./Dec. 2020, nobody had more than a sense that the numbers simply didn’t add up, especially when Biden stayed out of harm’s way most of the campaign.

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  3. Victor Tango Kilo Member
    Victor Tango Kilo
    @VtheK

    MWD B612 "Dawg" (View Comment):
    (NB: He never admits that the vast majority were dismissed because of standing, etc.)

    No, and his failure to acknowledge this is one of the reasons he is regarded as something of a buffoon. Good faith debate requires acknowledgement when the other side has a valid rebuttal. 

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  4. Django Member
    Django
    @Django

    Justin Other Lawyer (View Comment):

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    Beliefs about the 2020 Election tend to be premised on a false dichotomy: You’re either “Stolen Election” or “Big Lie.” I think it’s more of a continuum.

    0 – The 2020 election was absolutely clean, the fairest election in history, and exactly as reported.

    1 – There were some minor shenanigans at the margins, but they had no effect on the outcome.

    2 – There was a moderate level of shenanigans, and they could have changed the outcome of the election, but probably not.

    3- There were significant irregularities involving primarily mail-in ballots and these may have changed the outcome of the election.

    4 – There was major fraud involving a large but known number of illegitimate votes that most likely swung the election in purple states like Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Georgia, and Arizona.

    5- There was a massive collaboration between the Deep State, the Democrat Party, and Activist Organizations funded by Zuckerberg and Soros that generated millions of illegitimate votes to steal the election.

    I’m about at a 3. Where are you?

    I had been at 2, based upon the extreme antipathy toward Donald Trump from many people I know. It seemed certainly plausible that Trump had the ability to drive record vote totals, both for and against him. Yet that hypothesis was never terribly satisfying. After reading this and several of St. Augustine’s posts, I’ve moved to 3.

    After Trump was elected, I heard over and over again from the MSM that an 80,000 vote change in three or four states would have given the election to Hillary. That might be true. If I were planning election fraud in 2020 and if I were a Democrat — but, I repeat myself — I’d plan on changing just enough votes in a few critical states that my efforts would either go unnoticed or be easily dismissed as “The Big Lie”. So, I’m leaning toward #4, but only slightly. 

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  5. namlliT noD Member
    namlliT noD
    @DonTillman

    For more details, do check out the companion Charlie Kirk interview with Catherine Engelbrecht and Gregg Phillips:

    https://rumble.com/v10ajh2-how-the-did-it-true-the-votes-catherine-engelbrecht-and-gregg-phillips-on-t.html

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  6. Mountie Coolidge
    Mountie
    @Mountie

    David Foster (View Comment):

    Mountie (View Comment):
    You should check with Mark again. By his count the number of voters that have reconciled their NCOA address to their permanent address now exceeds the Biden margin of victory.

    Who is Mark?

    Mark Davis. He was featured in Molly Hemingway book “Rigged”, quoted in  multiple articles by Margot Cleveland, testified before the Georgia Senate just after the election, and is currently being lawfared by Stacy Abrams along with True the Vote for exercising his 1st Amendment rights and his right under Georgia law to petition his government about voter eligibility.  He is also my best friend, neighbor and quail hunting buddy.

    I connected St Augustine to him when St Augustine was doing validation of vote fraud claims.

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  7. Django Member
    Django
    @Django

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    MWD B612 "Dawg" (View Comment):
    (NB: He never admits that the vast majority were dismissed because of standing, etc.)

    No, and his failure to acknowledge this is one of the reasons he is regarded as something of a buffoon. Good faith debate requires acknowledgement when the other side has a valid rebuttal.

    He’s always stuck in advocacy mode. Occupational hazard, perhaps?

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  8. philo Member
    philo
    @philo

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    Beliefs about the 2020 Election tend to be premised on a false dichotomy: You’re either “Stolen Election” or “Big Lie.” I think it’s more of a continuum.

    0 – The 2020 election was absolutely clean, the fairest election in history, and exactly as reported.

    1 – There were some minor shenanigans at the margins, but they had no effect on the outcome.

    2 – There was a moderate level of shenanigans, and they could have changed the outcome of the election, but probably not.

    3- There were significant irregularities involving primarily mail-in ballots and these may have changed the outcome of the election.

    4 – There was major fraud involving a large but known number of illegitimate votes that most likely swung the election in purple states like Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Georgia, and Arizona.

    5- There was a massive collaboration between the Deep State, the Democrat Party, and Activist Organizations funded by Zuckerberg and Soros that generated millions of illegitimate votes to steal the election.

    I’m about at a 3. Where are you?

    A solid 4.25. 

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  9. Cassandro Coolidge
    Cassandro
    @Flicker

    David Foster (View Comment):

    Mountie (View Comment):
    You should check with Mark again. By his count the number of voters that have reconciled their NCOA address to their permanent address now exceeds the Biden margin of victory.

    Who is Mark?

    I believe he is our august St. Augustine.  [Oops.  Guess not.]

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  10. DrewInWisconsin, Oik! Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Oik!
    @DrewInWisconsin

    MWD B612 "Dawg" (View Comment):

    I’m a little surprised the resident “Reagan Republican” hasn’t shown up on any of these posts to state “There’s no evidence! There were 60+ court cases and they all held that the elections were without fraud!” (NB: He never admits that the vast majority were dismissed because of standing, etc.)

    If he is to be believed (and he’s not) it takes a thread going to the Main Feed for him to show up and do his little display. TPTB are keeping such discussion off the Main Feed.

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  11. DrewInWisconsin, Oik! Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Oik!
    @DrewInWisconsin

    philo (View Comment):

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    Beliefs about the 2020 Election tend to be premised on a false dichotomy: You’re either “Stolen Election” or “Big Lie.” I think it’s more of a continuum.

    0 – The 2020 election was absolutely clean, the fairest election in history, and exactly as reported.

    1 – There were some minor shenanigans at the margins, but they had no effect on the outcome.

    2 – There was a moderate level of shenanigans, and they could have changed the outcome of the election, but probably not.

    3- There were significant irregularities involving primarily mail-in ballots and these may have changed the outcome of the election.

    4 – There was major fraud involving a large but known number of illegitimate votes that most likely swung the election in purple states like Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Georgia, and Arizona.

    5- There was a massive collaboration between the Deep State, the Democrat Party, and Activist Organizations funded by Zuckerberg and Soros that generated millions of illegitimate votes to steal the election.

    I’m about at a 3. Where are you?

    A solid 4.25.

    5.

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  12. Cassandro Coolidge
    Cassandro
    @Flicker

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

    MWD B612 "Dawg" (View Comment):

    I’m a little surprised the resident “Reagan Republican” hasn’t shown up on any of these posts to state “There’s no evidence! There were 60+ court cases and they all held that the elections were without fraud!” (NB: He never admits that the vast majority were dismissed because of standing, etc.)

    If he is to be believed (and he’s not) it takes a thread going to the Main Feed for him to show up and do his little display. TPTB are keeping such discussion off the Main Feed.

    Yeah, I had to read that like five times to try to get what his thinking was.  I still don’t really understand.

    And he said philo shouldn’t be reposting his Greatest Hits revue in comments to posts that aren’t on the main feed.  Weird reasoning.

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  13. DonG (CAGW is a Hoax) Coolidge
    DonG (CAGW is a Hoax)
    @DonG

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    Beliefs about the 2020 Election tend to be premised on a false dichotomy: You’re either “Stolen Election” or “Big Lie.” I think it’s more of a continuum.

    0 – The 2020 election was absolutely clean, the fairest election in history, and exactly as reported.

    1 – There were some minor shenanigans at the margins, but they had no effect on the outcome.

    2 – There was a moderate level of shenanigans, and they could have changed the outcome of the election, but probably not.

    3- There were significant irregularities involving primarily mail-in ballots and these may have changed the outcome of the election.

    4 – There was major fraud involving a large but known number of illegitimate votes that most likely swung the election in purple states like Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Georgia, and Arizona.

    5- There was a massive collaboration between the Deep State, the Democrat Party, and Activist Organizations funded by Zuckerberg and Soros that generated millions of illegitimate votes to steal the election.

    I’m about at a 3. Where are you?

    I am at 3B,  elections were run in unlawful ways (disallowed drop boxes, blocked inspectors, no signature validation,…) and that flipped the results in swing states, which flipped the overall result. 

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  14. Vince Guerra Inactive
    Vince Guerra
    @VinceGuerra

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

    philo (View Comment):

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    Beliefs about the 2020 Election tend to be premised on a false dichotomy: You’re either “Stolen Election” or “Big Lie.” I think it’s more of a continuum.

    0 – The 2020 election was absolutely clean, the fairest election in history, and exactly as reported.

    1 – There were some minor shenanigans at the margins, but they had no effect on the outcome.

    2 – There was a moderate level of shenanigans, and they could have changed the outcome of the election, but probably not.

    3- There were significant irregularities involving primarily mail-in ballots and these may have changed the outcome of the election.

    4 – There was major fraud involving a large but known number of illegitimate votes that most likely swung the election in purple states like Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Georgia, and Arizona.

    5- There was a massive collaboration between the Deep State, the Democrat Party, and Activist Organizations funded by Zuckerberg and Soros that generated millions of illegitimate votes to steal the election.

    I’m about at a 3. Where are you?

    A solid 4.25.

    5.

    You’re missing an element at the 3.5 level that recognizes machine voting is designed to facilitate fraud.

    Ballot stuffing and algorithmic machine fraud go hand in hand. The machines are set to create vote totals that keep the tallies close enough to make everyone think the race is tight – one for R, two for the D…five for the R, six for the D…always using a set proportion, backed up by the number of banked fraudulent ballots that the mules provided.

    The problem was that Trump exceeded the banked margin. Nobody imagined he’d get more votes than Obama. Once FL went for Trump the Dems panicked and shut down the counting in order to bank more ballots. Patrick Colbeck watched the trucks bring in more ballots at 3am. Then they turned the system back on and watched it correct for their mistake.

    Anyone who thinks it’s all paper and that this was a one-off due to the pandemic and ignores the machines is a fool – they’ve been using this method for years with bloated voter rolls, just ask Bernie Sanders – and is going to find out the hard way this November.

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  15. Mountie Coolidge
    Mountie
    @Mountie

    Try this: do a Google search on “2000 mules gaping holes”. Look the hits you get. These clowns in the MSM can’t even pretend to not being spoon fed 

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  16. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
    Fake John/Jane Galt
    @FakeJohnJaneGalt

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    Beliefs about the 2020 Election tend to be premised on a false dichotomy: You’re either “Stolen Election” or “Big Lie.” I think it’s more of a continuum.

    0 – The 2020 election was absolutely clean, the fairest election in history, and exactly as reported.

    1 – There were some minor shenanigans at the margins, but they had no effect on the outcome.

    2 – There was a moderate level of shenanigans, and they could have changed the outcome of the election, but probably not.

    3- There were significant irregularities involving primarily mail-in ballots and these may have changed the outcome of the election.

    4 – There was major fraud involving a large but known number of illegitimate votes that most likely swung the election in purple states like Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Georgia, and Arizona.

    5- There was a massive collaboration between the Deep State, the Democrat Party, and Activist Organizations funded by Zuckerberg and Soros that generated millions of illegitimate votes to steal the election.

    I’m about at a 3. Where are you?

    I suspect all are true plus other options depending on what area we are discussing.   It is best to think of them as a organized crime family pushing, stealing, grifting where they can get away with it and it does them the most good.   

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  17. namlliT noD Member
    namlliT noD
    @DonTillman

    Mountie (View Comment):

    Try this: do a Google search on “2000 mules gaping holes”. Look the hits you get. These clowns in the MSM can’t even pretend to not being spoon fed

    Those are all syndicated copies of the very-quickly-written Ali Swenson article for AP, right?

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  18. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Kelly D Johnston (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    Kelly D Johnston (View Comment):

    This may be of interest: https://redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2022/05/09/after-2000-mules-premiere-true-the-vote-promises-to-pull-the-ripcord-and-release-all-the-data-n561949?utm_source=rsmorningbriefing&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl&bcid=fc249c7dca8152c405a67a46a56de1f131ce9ff6c0ad619ab43655e34d61b7c2

    Are they doing the Breitbart strategy–release a little, wait for the Left to make its trite and predictable objections, and then release the whole thing, proving those very objections wrong?

    Quite possibly. It would be brilliant.

    Our side has to do that kind of thing, to keep them from inventing a new story when their previous one craps out.  It’s similar to how voting counts should not be made available until after voting is closed:  otherwise you’re telling them how many votes they need to “discover” in car trunks etc, in order to win.

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  19. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Justin Other Lawyer (View Comment):

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    Beliefs about the 2020 Election tend to be premised on a false dichotomy: You’re either “Stolen Election” or “Big Lie.” I think it’s more of a continuum.

    0 – The 2020 election was absolutely clean, the fairest election in history, and exactly as reported.

    1 – There were some minor shenanigans at the margins, but they had no effect on the outcome.

    2 – There was a moderate level of shenanigans, and they could have changed the outcome of the election, but probably not.

    3- There were significant irregularities involving primarily mail-in ballots and these may have changed the outcome of the election.

    4 – There was major fraud involving a large but known number of illegitimate votes that most likely swung the election in purple states like Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Georgia, and Arizona.

    5- There was a massive collaboration between the Deep State, the Democrat Party, and Activist Organizations funded by Zuckerberg and Soros that generated millions of illegitimate votes to steal the election.

    I’m about at a 3. Where are you?

    I had been at 2, based upon the extreme antipathy toward Donald Trump from many people I know. It seemed certainly plausible that Trump had the ability to drive record vote totals, both for and against him. Yet that hypothesis was never terribly satisfying. After reading this and several of St. Augustine’s posts, I’ve moved to 3.

    That’s good, because they count on people being no higher than 2 so they can get away with it.

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  20. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    MWD B612 "Dawg" (View Comment):
    I’m a little surprised the resident “Reagan Republican” hasn’t shown up on any of these posts to state “There’s no evidence! There were 60+ court cases and they all held that the elections were without fraud!” (NB: He never admits that the vast majority were dismissed because of standing, etc.)

    That’s because it’s not on the Main Feed yet.

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  21. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
    Fake John/Jane Galt
    @FakeJohnJaneGalt

    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    Kelly D Johnston: “We can’t ‘move on’ until we know the truth,” D’Souza continues. “Is it a ‘big lie?’ It is a lie at all?”

    By definition, the stolen election cannot be a “Big Lie”:

    1. By definition a “Big Lie” is so far from reality that the audience wouldn’t believe anybody would attempt to lie about it. Given all the irregularities with the election, fraud is not outside the realm of believability. We’re not talking Orwell’s “2+2=5” or today’s “57 genders” here.
    2. By definition, a “Big Lie” requires propaganda disseminated through the media. In this case the other side owns the media, and refuses to acknowledge it.

    On the other hand, the claim that this was the “most secure election in history” does indeed fit the definition of a “Big Lie”. It’s ridiculous given all the irregularities and the numbers, and it was disseminated through the media word-for-word.

    You know the “Big Lie” would fall totally apart if they would just open up to public audit of things in question.  The stand that all is well and anybody questioning the 2020 election is a terrorist, racist and Trumpist, all the while Jimmy Carter and HRC are running around calling the 2016 election rigged is not helpful.  

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  22. namlliT noD Member
    namlliT noD
    @DonTillman

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    Kelly D Johnston: “We can’t ‘move on’ until we know the truth,” D’Souza continues. “Is it a ‘big lie?’ It is a lie at all?”

    By definition, the stolen election cannot be a “Big Lie”:

    1. By definition a “Big Lie” is so far from reality that the audience wouldn’t believe anybody would attempt to lie about it. Given all the irregularities with the election, fraud is not outside the realm of believability. We’re not talking Orwell’s “2+2=5” or today’s “57 genders” here.
    2. By definition, a “Big Lie” requires propaganda disseminated through the media. In this case the other side owns the media, and refuses to acknowledge it.

    On the other hand, the claim that this was the “most secure election in history” does indeed fit the definition of a “Big Lie”. It’s ridiculous given all the irregularities and the numbers, and it was disseminated through the media word-for-word.

    You know the “Big Lie” would fall totally apart if they would just open up to public audit of things in question. The stand that all is well and anybody questioning the 2020 election is a terrorist, racist and Trumpist, all the while Jimmy Carter and HRC are running around calling the 2016 election rigged is not helpful.

    More than that… we the people need an election system with multiple paths of auditing for every election.  This would automatically exclude Dominion machines as they are not auditable. 

    We have to demand that from our state legislatures.

     

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  23. Vince Guerra Inactive
    Vince Guerra
    @VinceGuerra

    2000 Mules grossed over a million dollars on Saturday alone. Any wonder why it’s not listed on the top ten?https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/in-less-than-12-hours-2000-mules-grosses-more-than-one-million-dollars-on-locals-and-rumble-301542260.html

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  24. MWD B612 "Dawg" Member
    MWD B612 "Dawg"
    @danok1

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    2000 Mules grossed over a million dollars on Saturday alone. Any wonder why it’s not listed on the top ten?https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/in-less-than-12-hours-2000-mules-grosses-more-than-one-million-dollars-on-locals-and-rumble-301542260.html

    Do movies released on streaming services like Locals and Rumble count towards box office numbers? Or is it only theater receipts? That might be the answer to your question.

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  25. WI Con Member
    WI Con
    @WICon

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    Beliefs about the 2020 Election tend to be premised on a false dichotomy: You’re either “Stolen Election” or “Big Lie.” I think it’s more of a continuum.

    0 – The 2020 election was absolutely clean, the fairest election in history, and exactly as reported.

    1 – There were some minor shenanigans at the margins, but they had no effect on the outcome.

    2 – There was a moderate level of shenanigans, and they could have changed the outcome of the election, but probably not.

    3- There were significant irregularities involving primarily mail-in ballots and these may have changed the outcome of the election.

    4 – There was major fraud involving a large but known number of illegitimate votes that most likely swung the election in purple states like Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Georgia, and Arizona.

    5- There was a massive collaboration between the Deep State, the Democrat Party, and Activist Organizations funded by Zuckerberg and Soros that generated millions of illegitimate votes to steal the election.

    I’m about at a 3. Where are you?

    I’m at a 4-5. I also think that there’s been an ongoing corruption score of 1-2 in most elections that they really ramped up I. 2020 and are trying g to lock in. 

    Their dogged resistance to voter ID confirms score 1-2 for most elections.

    The censorship, jailing and labeling as ‘conspiracy theorists ‘, the banning of debating or asking legitimate questions in 2020 leads me (in addition to much of the information that’s been put out there) to believe its a 4-5 in 2020.

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  26. WillowSpring Member
    WillowSpring
    @WillowSpring

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    Beliefs about the 2020 Election tend to be premised on a false dichotomy: You’re either “Stolen Election” or “Big Lie.” I think it’s more of a continuum.

    0 – The 2020 election was absolutely clean, the fairest election in history, and exactly as reported.

    1 – There were some minor shenanigans at the margins, but they had no effect on the outcome.

    2 – There was a moderate level of shenanigans, and they could have changed the outcome of the election, but probably not.

    3- There were significant irregularities involving primarily mail-in ballots and these may have changed the outcome of the election.

    4 – There was major fraud involving a large but known number of illegitimate votes that most likely swung the election in purple states like Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Georgia, and Arizona.

    5- There was a massive collaboration between the Deep State, the Democrat Party, and Activist Organizations funded by Zuckerberg and Soros that generated millions of illegitimate votes to steal the election.

    I’m about at a 3. Where are you?

    I think your scale is only one of at least two dimensions.  The second is the impact that suppressing information by the MSM and high tech had on the electorate.  I have seen several polls suggesting pretty large switches away from Biden votes just based on not knowing about the evidence (at the time) of Hunter Biden’s corruption and the involvement of Joe Biden.  That is just one aspect of suppressed information.

    I’m at about a 4.5 on your scale (which should also include evidence of ‘algorithmic’ voter fraud).

     

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  27. Gossamer Cat Coolidge
    Gossamer Cat
    @GossamerCat

    Keith Lowery (View Comment):

    Kelly D Johnston (View Comment):
    I am more confident in their data than perhaps you are.

    I think I’m really just neutral at the present time. My intuition is that things were amiss with the election. But I haven’t seen decisive data yet either way, although there’s a lot of voter fraud smoke.

    I don’t want folks on the right to engage in the same kind of narrative skullduggery engaged in by the left. So I’m looking for more detail and not less.

    I went to the movie’s web site hoping I might find something there. It was not encouraging. Very slick marketing for sure but zero information that might enable reproducibility of their results. Lots of asking for contact info to build their database, but no breakdown or explanation of their methodology.

    FWIW.

    I read the US News critique:  https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2022-05-03/fact-focus-gaping-holes-in-the-claim-of-2k-ballot-mules  and it claims they no not have the resolution and that they cannot make claims about the identify of those they are claiming are mules.   

    CLAIM: At least 2,000 “mules” were paid to illegally collect ballots and deliver them to drop boxes in key swing states ahead of the 2020 presidential election.

    THE FACTS: True the Vote didn’t prove this. The finding is based on false assumptions about the precision of cellphone tracking data and the reasons that someone might drop off multiple ballots, according to experts.”

    I have not seen the film but if they aren’t prepared to refute such criticisms then this will go nowhere. 

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  28. namlliT noD Member
    namlliT noD
    @DonTillman

    Gossamer Cat (View Comment):

    I read the US News critique:  https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2022-05-03/fact-focus-gaping-holes-in-the-claim-of-2k-ballot-mules  and it claims they no not have the resolution and that they cannot make claims about the identify of those they are claiming are mules.   

    CLAIM: At least 2,000 “mules” were paid to illegally collect ballots and deliver them to drop boxes in key swing states ahead of the 2020 presidential election.

    THE FACTS: True the Vote didn’t prove this. The finding is based on false assumptions about the precision of cellphone tracking data and the reasons that someone might drop off multiple ballots, according to experts.”

    I have not seen the film but if they aren’t prepared to refute such criticisms then this will go nowhere. 

    This is the hastily written Ali Swenson AP article that has been syndicated all around.

    It’s a blatant misstatement of what was presented in the film.   (Y’r basic “strawman”.)

     

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  29. Victor Tango Kilo Member
    Victor Tango Kilo
    @VtheK

    Gossamer Cat (View Comment):
    THE FACTS: True the Vote didn’t prove this. The finding is based on false assumptions about the precision of cellphone tracking data and the reasons that someone might drop off multiple ballots, according to experts.”

    “It’s possible that the cell phones registered to election activists aligned with liberal groups just coincidentally were repeatedly  tracked in the vicinity of drop boxes at night.”

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  30. Dbroussa Coolidge
    Dbroussa
    @Dbroussa

    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    Kelly D Johnston: “We can’t ‘move on’ until we know the truth,” D’Souza continues. “Is it a ‘big lie?’ It is a lie at all?”

    By definition, the stolen election cannot be a “Big Lie”:

    1. By definition a “Big Lie” is so far from reality that the audience wouldn’t believe anybody would attempt to lie about it. Given all the irregularities with the election, fraud is not outside the realm of believability. We’re not talking Orwell’s “2+2=5” or today’s “57 genders” here.
    2. By definition, a “Big Lie” requires propaganda disseminated through the media. In this case the other side owns the media, and refuses to acknowledge it.

    On the other hand, the claim that this was the “most secure election in history” does indeed fit the definition of a “Big Lie”. It’s ridiculous given all the irregularities and the numbers, and it was disseminated through the media word-for-word.

    You know the “Big Lie” would fall totally apart if they would just open up to public audit of things in question. The stand that all is well and anybody questioning the 2020 election is a terrorist, racist and Trumpist, all the while Jimmy Carter and HRC are running around calling the 2016 election rigged is not helpful.

    More than that… we the people need an election system with multiple paths of auditing for every election. This would automatically exclude Dominion machines as they are not auditable.

    We have to demand that from our state legislatures.

     

    Making an election actually auditable would mean that you cannot have a hidden ballot because true auditability requires traceability from the person who cast the vote to the result and that means publicly knowing who you cast your ballot for in each election.  That is why the controls in place are always on keeping the ballots boxes secure because once a ballot goes into the box it can never be traced back to who cast it.  Controls for in person voting are fairly robust, but once you allow mail in voting, those controls are, mostly, lost.

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