Rasmussen Poll: 45% of Democratic Voters Favor Confining the Unvaccinated to ‘Designated Facilities’

 

Here’s the TLDR from a Heartland Institute and Rasmussen Report survey. For Democratic voters:

  • 55% support fines against those who choose not to get a COVID-19 vaccine.
  • 59% support house arrest for the unvaccinated.
  • 48% support fines or prison for questioning vaccine efficacy on social media, TV, or the radio or in online or digital publications.
  • 45% support temporarily confining the unvaccinated to “designated facilities” (cough) internment camps (cough).
  • 47% support government tracking of the unvaccinated.
  • 29% support temporarily removing parents’ custody of their children if parents refuse to take the COVID-19 vaccine.

Second look at a national divorce?

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  1. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
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    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):
    Well, no: Getting vaxxed does reduce your likelihood of getting it, and reduces the likely severity if you do get it.

    How do we know this? The symptoms of COVID range from “death’s door” to “I have what? I feel fine!” And this is true across a wide age range. A friend of mine in his 80s had it and never had a clue. And then we have people in their 40s die from it. So . . . on what basis can anyone claim that getting vaxxed means you’ll have less severity when the severity of a case is all over the map? Seems like a non-falsifiable claim to me.

    Epidemiologists make such determinations by doing statistical analyses of medical data–which is in fact how much human medical research is done: Behind all those “studies show” news stories are actual medical studies whose results nearly always involve responses to drug therapies that range from “no improvement” to “great improvement”, and which must be compared to control groups of patients which did not receive the treatment.

    That’s nice that you still trust the various institutions that have been in charge of all this to tell you the truth. I don’t.

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  2. Paul Stinchfield Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):

    Satiric posters recently appeared on walls in Washington DC:

    Link doesn’t work.

    Sorry. Fixed.

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  3. Headedwest Coolidge
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    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):
    Well, no: Getting vaxxed does reduce your likelihood of getting it, and reduces the likely severity if you do get it.

    How do we know this? The symptoms of COVID range from “death’s door” to “I have what? I feel fine!” And this is true across a wide age range. A friend of mine in his 80s had it and never had a clue. And then we have people in their 40s die from it. So . . . on what basis can anyone claim that getting vaxxed means you’ll have less severity when the severity of a case is all over the map? Seems like a non-falsifiable claim to me.

    Epidemiologists make such determinations by doing statistical analyses of medical data–which is in fact how much human medical research is done: Behind all those “studies show” news stories are actual medical studies whose results nearly always involve responses to drug therapies that range from “no improvement” to “great improvement”, and which must be compared to control groups of patients which did not receive the treatment.

    As a person who has taught statistics courses and spent a lot of time thinking about how statistics are used and abused, the phrase “studies have shown” is basically a red flag telling me to leave the page.

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  4. Paul Stinchfield Member
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    Headedwest (View Comment):
    As a person who has taught statistics courses and spent a lot of time thinking about how statistics are used and abused, the phrase “studies have shown” is basically a red flag telling me to leave the page.

    Yes. Nearly all news outlets get these stories wrong, through ignorance and/or dishonesty.

    It generally takes many studies, scrutinized and replicated, before anything can be said with confidence. And that is without the institutional biases that make it difficult to impossible to fund studies that challenge the desired results. Remember when butter was deadly and margarine was good? When fat was bad and a high carbs diet was the path to health?

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  5. The Reticulator Member
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    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):
    Yes. Nearly all news outlets get these stories wrong, through ignorance and/or dishonesty.

    Don’t forget stupidity.

    I would never, ever rely on a news story to inform me of anything about medical treatment. I rarely look at news articles at all, much less news articles about health and medicine.  News reporters are busy. They work on a deadline, and they need to sensationalize in order to keep their employers in business. And sometimes they have to provide the correct political angle so their peers won’t hate them and close off future job opportunities.  They don’t have time or motive to get it right.  

    Sometimes they’ve been known to perform a useful service by providing enough information about a study so you can look it up and see if it’s anything important, but often they don’t.  

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  6. Franco Member
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    Stad (View Comment):

    Laura Gadbery (View Comment):

    Wait until they find out much of the workforce they rely on to maintain their cushy lifestyles won’t be around anymore. Unless, of course, we are turned into slave labor.

    I think slave labor is their goal . . .

    Naw, you have it backwards. AI and robotics are replacing us. Perhaps the AI has already mobilized in making being human beings self-resign. Go home, we’re taking over, here’s your check or rebate from the government.  

    You humans are toxic and infect each other and cost the state money. 

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  7. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    We need to become a nation of fact-checkers. 

    • #67
  8. Franco Member
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    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    We need to become a nation of fact-checkers.

    Good luck with that. 

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  9. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
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    Franco (View Comment):

    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    We need to become a nation of fact-checkers.

    Good luck with that.

    I love how Facebook is constantly putting up little disclaimers about how “this article has misinformation according to expert fact-checkers.”

    O RLY?

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  10. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    Audacious (View Comment):

    I was born in 1950 and had parents that always had newspapers, magazines and newspapers as well as books on history around. I’ve had friends, girlfriends and wive(s) of German heritage. All these years I’ve had trouble understanding how, really, the horrors of 1933 to 1945 could be perpetrated by the German nation. I now know and it makes me angry and sad to see it happening here. Especially for my grandchildren. Glad I’m 71 and not 21.

    Wife and I regularly say the best thing we did was not have children.  We thought it was irresponsible to bring children to what we saw coming.  Seems more everyday how right we were.

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  11. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):
    That the Democrats are becoming a proto-fascist party is, alas, no joke.

    I would maintain that the Democrats are almost entirely there: Totalitarianism is an entirely mainstream “value” in the Democratic Party. Even Democrat voters who I am told are “mainstream” and “reasonable” will condemn as “fascism” and “racism” anything that stands in the way of their far-left agenda. And when was the last time a Democrat spontaneously condemned the far left?

    There is no far left.  Only degrees of right.

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  12. Misthiocracy got drunk and Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    And since we know that being vaxxed won’t stop you from getting or spreading COVID, there’s absolutely no point to this.

    I guess I’ll throw a match on the fire. Does the fact that vexed people get COVID equal the assumption that being vaxxed won’t stop you from getting it?

    Yes? I’m confused by your thought processes here.

    Likely my problem. OK, people who are vaxxed get COVID. Granted. Does that mean that vaxxing has no effect on who gets COVID? In other words, do vaxxed people and untaxed people have an equal chance of getting COVID?

    Interesting. I would like to know. Right now everyone I know who currently has COVID is vaxxed. Is there a connection? Some scientists say that the vaccine does a real number on your immune system, and makes you more susceptible. I would like to know how true that is.

    What proportion of all the people you know are vaxxed and what proportion are unvaxxed.  If the vast majority of a population is vaxxed then the majority of cases will likely be among the vaxxed even if the vaccine reduces the total number of cases.

    Just for sake of illustration, let’s say that COVID affects 5% of vaxxed and 20% of unvaxxed.

    Let’s also say that you have 100 friends, and 90% of them are vaxxed.

    In that scenario, 2 unvaxxed friends will get COVID but 5 vaxxed friends will get it, making it look like the virus favours the vaxxed.

    (Meanwhile, if none of this hypothetical population were vaxxed then 20 of them would have gotten COVID instead of only 7.)

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  13. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
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    Misthiocracy got drunk and (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    And since we know that being vaxxed won’t stop you from getting or spreading COVID, there’s absolutely no point to this.

    I guess I’ll throw a match on the fire. Does the fact that vexed people get COVID equal the assumption that being vaxxed won’t stop you from getting it?

    Yes? I’m confused by your thought processes here.

    Likely my problem. OK, people who are vaxxed get COVID. Granted. Does that mean that vaxxing has no effect on who gets COVID? In other words, do vaxxed people and untaxed people have an equal chance of getting COVID?

    Interesting. I would like to know. Right now everyone I know who currently has COVID is vaxxed. Is there a connection? Some scientists say that the vaccine does a real number on your immune system, and makes you more susceptible. I would like to know how true that is.

    What proportion of all the people you know are vaxxed and what proportion are unvaxxed. If the vast majority of a population is vaxxed then the majority of cases will likely be among the vaxxed even if the vaccine reduces the total number of cases.

    Just for sake of illustration, let’s say that COVID affects 5% of vaxxed and 20% of unvaxxed.

    Let’s also say that you have 100 friends, and 90% of them are vaxxed.

    In that scenario, 2 unvaxxed friends will get COVID but 5 vaxxed friends will get it, making it look like the virus favours the vaxxed.

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  14. BastiatJunior Member
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    The good news is that only 27% of the population identify as Democrat, and that number is a little old.  Using the 27% figure we see how the whole population of the US breaks down (percents rounded to nearest integer):

    • 15% support fines against those who choose not to get a COVID-19 vaccine.
    • 16% support house arrest for the unvaccinated.
    • 13% support fines or prison for questioning vaccine efficacy on social media, TV, or the radio or in online or digital publications.
    • 12% support temporarily confining the unvaccinated to “designated facilities” (cough) internment camps (cough).
    • 13% support government tracking of the unvaccinated.
    • 8% support temporarily removing parents’ custody of their children if parents refuse to take the COVID-19 vaccine.

    The question is how many of these people are in the government?  Those figures may be more alarming.

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  15. Misthiocracy got drunk and Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy got drunk and (View Comment):

    Just for sake of illustration, let’s say that COVID affects 5% of vaxxed and 20% of unvaxxed.

    Let’s also say that you have 100 friends, and 90% of them are vaxxed.

    In that scenario, 2 unvaxxed friends will get COVID but 5 vaxxed friends will get it, making it look like the virus favours the vaxxed.

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    Ok, I rounded up from 4.5.  I didn’t think you’d want one of your vaxxed friends being sawed in half as well as having COVID.

    ;-)

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  16. Misthiocracy got drunk and Member
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    BastiatJunior (View Comment):

    The good news is that only 27% of the population identify as Democrat, and that number is a little old. Using the 27% figure we see how the whole population of the US breaks down (percents rounded to nearest integer):

    • 15% support fines against those who choose not to get a COVID-19 vaccine.
    • 16% support house arrest for the unvaccinated.
    • 13% support fines or prison for questioning vaccine efficacy on social media, TV, or the radio or in online or digital publications.
    • 12% support temporarily confining the unvaccinated to “designated facilities” (cough) internment camps (cough).
    • 13% support government tracking of the unvaccinated.
    • 8% support temporarily removing parents’ custody of their children if parents refuse to take the COVID-19 vaccine.

    The question is how many of these people are in the government? Those figures may be more alarming.

    a) Did you take into account the percentage of Republicans and Independents who said they support these things?

    b) Did you take into account that the survey only measured Likely Voters? We don’t know the positions of non-voters on these questions.

    e.g. The survey said that 33% of all Likely Voters support fines for the unvaxxed.  Since the voter turnout rate in 2020 was 67%, does that not mean that at least 22% of the entire US population support such fines?

    (Note: The crosstabs for the survey present the numbers much more clearly than the article itself, IMHO.)

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  17. BastiatJunior Member
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    Misthiocracy got drunk and (View Comment):

    BastiatJunior (View Comment):

    The good news is that only 27% of the population identify as Democrat, and that number is a little old. Using the 27% figure we see how the whole population of the US breaks down (percents rounded to nearest integer):

    • 15% support fines against those who choose not to get a COVID-19 vaccine.
    • 16% support house arrest for the unvaccinated.
    • 13% support fines or prison for questioning vaccine efficacy on social media, TV, or the radio or in online or digital publications.
    • 12% support temporarily confining the unvaccinated to “designated facilities” (cough) internment camps (cough).
    • 13% support government tracking of the unvaccinated.
    • 8% support temporarily removing parents’ custody of their children if parents refuse to take the COVID-19 vaccine.

    The question is how many of these people are in the government? Those figures may be more alarming.

    a) Did you take into account the percentage of Republicans and Independents who said they support these things?

    b) Did you take into account that the survey only measured Likely Voters? We don’t know the positions of non-voters on these questions.

    e.g. The survey said that 33% of all Likely Voters support fines for the unvaxxed. Since the voter turnout rate in 2020 was 67%, does that not mean that at least 22% of the entire US population support such fines?

    (Note: The crosstabs for the survey present the numbers much more clearly than the article itself, IMHO.)

    I considered all of those things but was too lazy to dig into it.

    Isn’t  33% about the same as Biden’s approval level?

     

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  18. Misthiocracy got drunk and Member
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    BastiatJunior (View Comment):
    I considered all of those things but was too lazy to dig into it.

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  19. Taras Coolidge
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    BastiatJunior (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy got drunk and (View Comment):

    BastiatJunior (View Comment):

    The good news is that only 27% of the population identify as Democrat, and that number is a little old. Using the 27% figure we see how the whole population of the US breaks down (percents rounded to nearest integer):

    • 15% support fines against those who choose not to get a COVID-19 vaccine.
    • 16% support house arrest for the unvaccinated.
    • 13% support fines or prison for questioning vaccine efficacy on social media, TV, or the radio or in online or digital publications.
    • 12% support temporarily confining the unvaccinated to “designated facilities” (cough) internment camps (cough).
    • 13% support government tracking of the unvaccinated.
    • 8% support temporarily removing parents’ custody of their children if parents refuse to take the COVID-19 vaccine.

    The question is how many of these people are in the government? Those figures may be more alarming.

    a) Did you take into account the percentage of Republicans and Independents who said they support these things?

    b) Did you take into account that the survey only measured Likely Voters? We don’t know the positions of non-voters on these questions.

    e.g. The survey said that 33% of all Likely Voters support fines for the unvaxxed. Since the voter turnout rate in 2020 was 67%, does that not mean that at least 22% of the entire US population support such fines?

    (Note: The crosstabs for the survey present the numbers much more clearly than the article itself, IMHO.)

    I considered all of those things but was too lazy to dig into it.

    Isn’t 33% about the same as Biden’s approval level?

     

    Democrat “Likely Voters” tend to be in cemeteries, so I figure the pollsters just made up their responses …

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  20. TBA Coolidge
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    The Scarecrow (View Comment):

    If the “Vaxxed” can still contract the disease, and can still spread it, what is the source of their self-regard about their ”vaxxed” status?

    Well, they got a sticker and the nurse probably told them they were very brave, so they have that going for them. 

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  21. TBA Coolidge
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Roderic (View Comment):

    Juliana (View Comment):
    Isn’t this how the Final Solution started?

    Yes, it is. Genocide always begins with the genocidal faction howling about how they are being victimized and oppressed by their future victims. It was certainly true of Nazi Germany. Stalin complained about how the kulaks were trying to starve the people before he starved them to death and murdered them. Pol Pot always accused the people he had killed of being “enemy agents” or “bad elements”. And on and on. The complaints of genocidal groups against victims of genocide are usually a pack of lies and exaggerations, just like this time.

    “Scratch a Democrat, find a totalitarian,” has been an adage for a long time. It’s amazing how true that turns out to be when these people imagine themselves to be in duress.

    Cancel Culture is rehearsal for Genocide

    The hatred from anti-hate people is off the charts. 

    And the thing about Cancel Culture is that it attempts to not only silence people but to render them unemployable pariahs. 

    And once that is accomplished, is killing a non-person really ‘murder’? 

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  22. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    TBA (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Roderic (View Comment):

    Juliana (View Comment):
    Isn’t this how the Final Solution started?

    Yes, it is. Genocide always begins with the genocidal faction howling about how they are being victimized and oppressed by their future victims. It was certainly true of Nazi Germany. Stalin complained about how the kulaks were trying to starve the people before he starved them to death and murdered them. Pol Pot always accused the people he had killed of being “enemy agents” or “bad elements”. And on and on. The complaints of genocidal groups against victims of genocide are usually a pack of lies and exaggerations, just like this time.

    “Scratch a Democrat, find a totalitarian,” has been an adage for a long time. It’s amazing how true that turns out to be when these people imagine themselves to be in duress.

    Cancel Culture is rehearsal for Genocide

    The hatred from anti-hate people is off the charts.

    And the thing about Cancel Culture is that it attempts to not only silence people but to render them unemployable pariahs.

    And once that is accomplished, is killing a non-person really ‘murder’?

    Exactly 

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  23. The Scarecrow Thatcher
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    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):
    Well, no: Getting vaxxed does reduce your likelihood of getting it, and reduces the likely severity if you do get it.

    How do we know this? The symptoms of COVID range from “death’s door” to “I have what? I feel fine!” And this is true across a wide age range. A friend of mine in his 80s had it and never had a clue. And then we have people in their 40s die from it. So . . . on what basis can anyone claim that getting vaxxed means you’ll have less severity when the severity of a case is all over the map? Seems like a non-falsifiable claim to me.

    Epidemiologists make such determinations by doing statistical analyses of medical data–which is in fact how much human medical research is done: Behind all those “studies show” news stories are actual medical studies whose results nearly always involve responses to drug therapies that range from “no improvement” to “great improvement”, and which must be compared to control groups of patients which did not receive the treatment.

    But these “conclusions” – that the Jab makes it less likely that you will get it, etc. – still leave out that all-important fact that, since the beginning, getting it was only a real danger to a very small percentage of the population, and we knew who they were! The elderly, provided they had lots of comorbidities. (Lots of the elderly got it and survived with no problem, just like me and you. So it wasn’t automatic for grandma either.)

    Most people (the largest percentage) got it without really knowing it – asymptomatic.  The next largest group had mild symptoms. That was 80 – 90 percent of people. So if I am in that group, which is extremely likely, Why should I care if you come up with a miracle shot that is (supposedly) going to make my symptoms less severe?  How do you get less severe than zero symptoms

     

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  24. Randy Weivoda Moderator
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    Victor Tango Kilo: 48% support fines or prison for questioning vaccine efficacy on social media, TV, or the radio or in online or digital publications.

    I don’t remember the number, but I remember a survey showing an alarming percentage of Democrats also support criminal sanctions on global warming “deniers.”  And I’ve seen surveys showing an alarming number of Republicans want to outlaw Islam.  Going back generations, polls show fairly consistently through the decades that about a third of Americans think the government should be able to ban books.  The First Amendment is not as universally popular as I wish it was.  I guess it is up to us to remind people that a government that has the authority to suppress others can suppress any of us.

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  25. TBA Coolidge
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    @RobtGilsdorf

    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    Victor Tango Kilo: 48% support fines or prison for questioning vaccine efficacy on social media, TV, or the radio or in online or digital publications.

    I don’t remember the number, but I remember a survey showing an alarming percentage of Democrats also support criminal sanctions on global warming “deniers.” And I’ve seen surveys showing an alarming number of Republicans want to outlaw Islam. Going back generations, polls show fairly consistently through the decades that about a third of Americans think the government should be able to ban books. The First Amendment is not as universally popular as I wish it was. I guess it is up to us to remind people that a government that has the authority to suppress others can suppress any of us.

    It’s a human weakness – ‘laws are for good…but not for people and things that are bad’. 

     

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