OK, Maybe Controversial, But Trump Is Owed a Second Term

 

A friend of mine says, “Of course, the NeverTrumpers were right after all. Trump had so alienated suburban women by his personal behavior, he couldn’t possibly have won a second term.”

This person was Trump-resistant but voted for him nonetheless and was pleasantly surprised at all he accomplished. In the end, however, after he lost, my friend returned to type. Trump was icky all along and deserved all he got.

The recent indictment of Hilary Clinton lawyer Michael Sussman, and the even more recent arrest of Michael Steele consigliere Igor Danchenko, along with the naming of various other high ranking Democrat conspirators, including Jake Sullivan, who works in the State Department at this moment, revives in me deep anger, fear, and a certainty that Donald Trump is owed four more years in the White House.

What I tell my friend and what I will say to you now is that Donald Trump was the victim of the most significant political crime in the history of our country. He came under assault from this crime and these criminals every day of his four years. This assault was perpetrated by a criminal political class within our government and was nothing less than a coup d’état unlike we have ever seen in our history.

And yes, it is likely Trump won anyway.

Consider what has been revealed in recent days by the team surrounding prosecutor John Durham.

Michael Sussman was a lawyer with the Washington DC firm of Perkins Coie, a Democrat, and Bill and Hilary Clinton legal redoubt. Have you heard about the secret connection between a Trump organization computer and a Russian bank? Supposedly this was the backchannel of communication and cash that proved Trump was owned and even an agent of Vladimir Putin. It was all made up. It was totally false. Sussman cooked it up along with a top-ranking tech executive, a major American university, and others.

In a private meeting with the General Counsel of the FBI, Sussman presented this fabrication in hopes the FBI would investigate, which they did. Sussman et al. also peddled this lie to the news media, which happily reported it. Some of them still do. It was all a lie.

In even more recent days, a Russian national named Igor Danchenko has been arrested and indicted for making false claims to the FBI. Danchenko was one of the primary sources for the so-called Steele Dossier used by nefarious figures in the FBI and the Department of Justice to invade the Trump campaign, lie to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to spy on the political opponents of Barack Obama and Bill and Hillary Clinton. The Steele Dossier was the report that roiled our politics for every minute of the Trump administration. Every minute of his administration was spent in fighting this complete fabrication.

Do you remember the Steele Dossier charge that Trump hired prostitutes to urinate on the bed in the Presidential Suite of the Ritz Carlton-Moscow? He supposedly did this because it was where Obama and his wife once slept. Danchenko totally made it up. It had no basis in fact. Of course, most of us knew that at the time. It made no sense. This alone should have been enough to stop federal agents from persecuting Donald Trump and his staff.

I will repeat that Trump and his team had to deal with this every single day for more than four years. Even now, a close friend of mine is convinced the Russians have something on Trump. And this person is highly placed in Washington DC circles.

Besides all the fabrications, it was the Clinton campaign that was hip-deep in Russians. Danchenko was a Russian national. Charles Dolan, identified at PR-Executive 1 in the Durham indictment, has been a longtime advisor not just to the Clintons and the Democrats but also to the Russian government.

Even though Donald Trump and his team had this millstone around their necks every day for more than a year, they accomplished a great deal. I covered this in detail in my book The Catholic Case for Trump.

Trump destroyed the physical ISIS Caliphate that occupied more land than Great Britain, something Obama could not do. Trump made the U.S. energy independent, an energy-exporting country, something frittered away in months by Joe Biden. Trump utterly remade the federal judiciary and the Supreme Court. It is irrelevant that he had advisors helping him. All presidents do. Trump was the most pro-life president the United States has ever had post-Roe v. Wade. He initiated pro-life policies that someone like George Bush never even considered. Instead, Bush sacrificed the pro-life issue for his forever war in the Middle East.

Trump did all this and more even though wicked men and women in and out of the federal government came after him with lies and fabrications that had to have occupied a great deal of his time and mindspace.

I understand that many conservatives may have Trump fatigue. Consider this, though. Much of that Trump fatigue had to have been related to the poisonous Steele Dossier and all that came from it. He was a man cornered by liars, and he reacted, sometimes badly. Imagine what might have happened if the FBI had done the right thing and recognized the Russian hoax for what it was? What might have happened if the FBI and the Justice Department had not acted like criminals? What might have been if Trump had been given an open field to lead the country? Sure, Trump would have been Trump, and a lot of folks do not like Trump. But at least he would have been given a chance.

My view after reading the Durham indictments of Michael Sussman and Igor Danchenko is that Trump is owed four more years. I know this will likely not happen. Nonetheless, we owe him that.

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  1. Columbo Member
    Columbo
    @Columbo

    https://ricochet.com/792253/kevin-clinesmith-lied/

    https://ricochet.com/674225/archives/this-is-new-and-encouraging/

    https://ricochet.com/662201/archives/a-coc-ball-of-collusion/

    https://ricochet.com/623122/archives/lady-justice-is-in-the-house/

    https://ricochet.com/618186/archives/if-there-is-a-predicate-for-investigation-it-will-be-conducted/

    https://ricochet.com/615011/archives/epic-fail-comey-mueller-strzok-mccabe-not-a-few-good-men/

    https://ricochet.com/606669/archives/the-clinton-foundation-and-the-deep-state/

    https://ricochet.com/598336/archives/speaking-of-overreach-in-the-executive-branch/

    https://ricochet.com/596307/archives/a-tale-of-two-investigations-matters-ii/

    https://ricochet.com/577804/archives/grassley-wants-answers/

    https://ricochet.com/575943/archives/dan-bongino-biggest-scam-in-american-history/

    It is WAY past time for some symmetry of prosecution of these traitors. Is Durham really a bull, or not?

     

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  2. Hang On Member
    Hang On
    @HangOn

    No one is owed the presidency.  Period. Ever.

    Trump was terrible at personnel decisions and was out of his depth. He did many more things right than wrong, but he didn’t know how to get rid of snakes. 

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  3. Columbo Member
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    @Columbo

    Hang On (View Comment):

    No one is owed the presidency. Period. Ever.

    Trump was terrible at personnel decisions and was out of his depth. He did many more things right than wrong, but he didn’t know how to get rid of snakes.

    The point is that he did win it, but was robbed (not ‘owed’) by the democrat-media industrial conspiracy. And the perpetrators of the robbery are still free from justice.

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  4. Columbo Member
    Columbo
    @Columbo

    And with regard to personnel, the gOp banned experienced and qualified people from working with President Trump. He was only left with leftover bureaucrats.

    Too many to ferret out and fire.

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  5. EDISONPARKS Member
    EDISONPARKS
    @user_54742

    Not meant as anti-Trump, and everyone ages differently …. but …..

    Joe Biden is the living example of why octogenarian leaders of the free world is going to be a bad idea most of the time.

    • #5
  6. Django Member
    Django
    @Django

    This sounds like some of the drivel I’ve read at ricochet: Trump allies are pushing him away from running again in 2024 to avoid a disastrous defeat, report says (msn.com)

    I really want to know. What is it about Trump that frightens these people so much? 

    • #6
  7. Columbo Member
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    @Columbo

    Django (View Comment):

    This sounds like some of the drivel I’ve read at ricochet: Trump allies are pushing him away from running again in 2024 to avoid a disastrous defeat, report says (msn.com)

    I really want to know. What is it about Trump that frightens these people so much?

     

    TDS

    TRUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMMMMPPPP!!!!!!!!

    • #7
  8. DonG (CAGW is a hoax) Coolidge
    DonG (CAGW is a hoax)
    @DonG

    THREE-PEAT!!!

     

    • #8
  9. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
    Fake John/Jane Galt
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    Django (View Comment):

    This sounds like some of the drivel I’ve read at ricochet: Trump allies are pushing him away from running again in 2024 to avoid a disastrous defeat, report says (msn.com)

    I really want to know. What is it about Trump that frightens these people so much?

    WINNING

    • #9
  10. Franz Drumlin Member
    Franz Drumlin
    @FranzDrumlin

    Why do you Never Trumpers keep bringing up Trump?

    • #10
  11. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
    Fake John/Jane Galt
    @FakeJohnJaneGalt

    Franz Drumlin (View Comment):

    Why do you Never Trumpers keep bringing up Trump?

    They do not like that their side keeps losing and Trumps side keeps winning.

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  12. Henry Racette Contributor
    Henry Racette
    @HenryRacette

    Good post. It’s good to periodically recount the scope of the dishonesty surrounding the Russian collusion narrative, and to plainly state its origin in the Democratic Party.

    The only person owed the presidency is the one who wins the election. It isn’t obvious that President Trump actually won the election, so I won’t say he’s owed another four years.

    What I will say is that he was prevented — by a dishonest press, a biased big tech juggernaut, and a corrupt bureaucracy — from governing as the legitimate President he was, and that he was almost certainly cheated out of reelection by those leftist actors. Perhaps a different man might have been able to overcome the Democrat/left’s formidable disinformation campaign. Let’s hope so, as there’s no particular reason to believe that the media/tech/bureaucracy complex will be any less corrupt in 2024 and 2028 than it is today.

    My hope is that some other Republican receives the nomination in 2024 and learns everything he can from President Trump’s experience — and most especially those features of President Trump that make him so appealing to a large number of non-traditional Republican voters. I hope that candidate receives President Trump’s endorsement.

    But whoever runs in 2024 on the Republican ticket will have my vote and my support. It won’t break my heart if that’s President Trump. It’ll just make me very nervous, because he inspires a hatred from the left that, unfortunately, gets out their vote.

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  13. Django Member
    Django
    @Django

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Good post. It’s good to periodically recount the scope of the dishonesty surrounding the Russian collusion narrative, and to plainly state its origin in the Democratic Party.

    The only person owed the presidency is the one who wins the election. It isn’t obvious that President Trump actually won the election, so I won’t say he’s owed another four years.

    What I will say is that he was prevented — by a dishonest press, a biased big tech juggernaut, and a corrupt bureaucracy — from governing as the legitimate President he was, and that he was almost certainly cheated out of reelection by those leftist actors. Perhaps a different man might have been able to overcome the Democrat/left’s formidable disinformation campaign. Let’s hope so, as there’s no particular reason to believe that the media/tech/bureaucracy complex will be any less corrupt in 2024 and 2028 than it is today.

    My hope is that some other Republican receives the nomination in 2024 and learns everything he can from President Trump’s experience — and most especially those features of President Trump that make him so appealing to a large number of non-traditional Republican voters. I hope that candidate receives President Trump’s endorsement.

    But whoever runs in 2024 on the Republican ticket will have my vote and my support. It won’t break my heart if that’s President Trump. It’ll just make me very nervous, because he inspires a hatred from the left that, unfortunately, gets out their vote.

    Trump does not inspire hatred only from the left. He inspires hatred from the UniParty regardless of what label they choose to sport. 

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  14. Henry Racette Contributor
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    @HenryRacette

    Django (View Comment):
    Trump does not inspire hatred only from the left. He inspires hatred from the UniParty regardless of what label they choose to sport. 

    I understand your point, but I reject “UniParty” and stuff like that. The vast majority of Republicans voted for Trump last year. I am as much “the Republicans” as some anti-Trump loudmouth pretends to speak for me. And my party overwhelmingly voted for Trump.

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  15. Django Member
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    @Django

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):
    Trump does not inspire hatred only from the left. He inspires hatred from the UniParty regardless of what label they choose to sport.

    I understand your point, but I reject “UniParty” and stuff like that. The vast majority of Republicans voted for Trump last year. I am as much “the Republicans” as some anti-Trump loudmouth pretends to speak for me. And my party overwhelmingly voted for Trump.

    I was not referring to the voters, but rather to the GOPe. 

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  16. The Reticulator Member
    The Reticulator
    @TheReticulator

    It’s good for the Democrats and the GOPe to live in the fear that Trump may again become President.  So whether or not I’d prefer Trump in 2024, it’s good for them to think I would.  

    • #16
  17. I Walton Member
    I Walton
    @IWalton

    Democrats are bashing Trump because they think they’ll easily beat him?

    • #17
  18. Charles Mark Member
    Charles Mark
    @CharlesMark

    I haven’t heard of any journalists or commentators in Democrat organs resigning in protest at their employers’/hosts’ dishonest coverage of the Steele Dossier or the broader Russia Collusion Hoax. I say this mindful of the resignations of Steven Hayes and Jonah Goldberg from Fox News. 

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  19. Al Sparks Thatcher
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    @AlSparks

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    What I will say is that he was prevented — by a dishonest press, a biased big tech juggernaut, and a corrupt bureaucracy — from governing as the legitimate President he was, and that he was almost certainly cheated out of reelection by those leftist actors.

    He made some unforced errors.  During the 2016 election, he actually did shut his mouth and tweets during the last month of the election.  I was waiting for him to do that in 2020, but he couldn’t turn it off.

    But another unforced error was his conduct during the Covid press conferencces.  He had a chance to act presidential in a normal way, but doubled down on partisanship against the press.

    There was a lot under his control that he wouldn’t control.

    For me, politicians are tools (just as I am to them as a voter).  As a tool, Trump is no longer useful to me.  If he hadn’t of screwed up January 6th, he could have been an ex-president that rivaled Teddy Rooselvelt’s post-presidency with a shot at another term.  He blew that too.

    All I’m interested in is keeping Trump voters in the same tent, hopefully without Trump.

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  20. BDB Coolidge
    BDB
    @BDB

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Good post. It’s good to periodically recount the scope of the dishonesty surrounding the Russian collusion narrative, and to plainly state its origin in the Democratic Party.

    The only person owed the presidency is the one who wins the election. It isn’t obvious that President Trump actually won the election, so I won’t say he’s owed another four years.

    What I will say is that he was prevented — by a dishonest press, a biased big tech juggernaut, and a corrupt bureaucracy — from governing as the legitimate President he was, and that he was almost certainly cheated out of reelection by those leftist actors. Perhaps a different man might have been able to overcome the Democrat/left’s formidable disinformation campaign. Let’s hope so, as there’s no particular reason to believe that the media/tech/bureaucracy complex will be any less corrupt in 2024 and 2028 than it is today.

    My hope is that some other Republican receives the nomination in 2024 and learns everything he can from President Trump’s experience — and most especially those features of President Trump that make him so appealing to a large number of non-traditional Republican voters. I hope that candidate receives President Trump’s endorsement.

    But whoever runs in 2024 on the Republican ticket will have my vote and my support. It won’t break my heart if that’s President Trump. It’ll just make me very nervous, because he inspires a hatred from the left that, unfortunately, gets out their vote.

    Howdy, Henry.  I’ll see your candid response and raise you a “you’re taking owed too literally”.  It’s not as though the OP agitates for liquidating the current administration and nullifying all of its wicked pronouncements (but don’t tempt me).  So if you’ll take the OP in a moral, not a technical sense, than I suspect that you agree.  Trump fan or no, the mutiny and coup are unworthy of rewarding. 

    I agree with you on that basis.

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  21. Henry Racette Contributor
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    BDB (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Good post. It’s good to periodically recount the scope of the dishonesty surrounding the Russian collusion narrative, and to plainly state its origin in the Democratic Party.

    The only person owed the presidency is the one who wins the election. It isn’t obvious that President Trump actually won the election, so I won’t say he’s owed another four years.

    What I will say is that he was prevented — by a dishonest press, a biased big tech juggernaut, and a corrupt bureaucracy — from governing as the legitimate President he was, and that he was almost certainly cheated out of reelection by those leftist actors. Perhaps a different man might have been able to overcome the Democrat/left’s formidable disinformation campaign. Let’s hope so, as there’s no particular reason to believe that the media/tech/bureaucracy complex will be any less corrupt in 2024 and 2028 than it is today.

    My hope is that some other Republican receives the nomination in 2024 and learns everything he can from President Trump’s experience — and most especially those features of President Trump that make him so appealing to a large number of non-traditional Republican voters. I hope that candidate receives President Trump’s endorsement.

    But whoever runs in 2024 on the Republican ticket will have my vote and my support. It won’t break my heart if that’s President Trump. It’ll just make me very nervous, because he inspires a hatred from the left that, unfortunately, gets out their vote.

    Howdy, Henry. I’ll see your candid response and raise you a “you’re taking owed too literally”. It’s not as though the OP agitates for liquidating the current administration and nullifying all of its wicked pronouncements (but don’t tempt me). So if you’ll take the OP in a moral, not a technical sense, than I suspect that you agree. Trump fan or no, the mutiny and coup are unworthy of rewarding.

    I agree with you on that basis.

    Yes, I read it that way and I agree with you, BDB. The reason I softened the “owed” part is that, as I tried to hint in the third paragraph with that “different man” part, and as Al described in more detail in #19, President Trump could, I believe, have won in 2020 had he behaved differently — differently in ways that a great many of us were encouraging him to behave. Even many of us who were Trump supporters saw, after his election and long before COVID, that re-election was likely to be a unique challenge because of the unique character of the man himself.

    So I believe that he was cheated, both legally and illegally. Beyond that–

    Well, he gets dumped on enough. I voted for him twice, will happily vote for him again, and think he was a very good President.

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  22. Django Member
    Django
    @Django

    Al Sparks (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    What I will say is that he was prevented — by a dishonest press, a biased big tech juggernaut, and a corrupt bureaucracy — from governing as the legitimate President he was, and that he was almost certainly cheated out of reelection by those leftist actors.

    He made some unforced errors. During the 2016 election, he actually did shut his mouth and tweets during the last month of the election. I was waiting for him to do that in 2020, but he couldn’t turn it off.

    But another unforced error was his conduct during the Covid press conferencces. He had a chance to act presidential in a normal way, but doubled down on partisanship against the press.

    There was a lot under his control that he wouldn’t control.

    For me, politicians are tools (just as I am to them as a voter). As a tool, Trump is no longer useful to me. If he hadn’t of screwed up January 6th, he could have been an ex-president that rivaled Teddy Rooselvelt’s post-presidency with a shot at another term. He blew that too.

    All I’m interested in is keeping Trump voters in the same tent, hopefully without Trump.

    If it’s someone such as Hogan, Cheney, Kinsinger, DeWine, Christie … never mind. 

    I’ll vote for Trump or DeSantis. Can’t see anyone else now. 

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  23. BDB Coolidge
    BDB
    @BDB

    Django (View Comment):

    Al Sparks (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    What I will say is that he was prevented — by a dishonest press, a biased big tech juggernaut, and a corrupt bureaucracy — from governing as the legitimate President he was, and that he was almost certainly cheated out of reelection by those leftist actors.

    He made some unforced errors. During the 2016 election, he actually did shut his mouth and tweets during the last month of the election. I was waiting for him to do that in 2020, but he couldn’t turn it off.

    But another unforced error was his conduct during the Covid press conferencces. He had a chance to act presidential in a normal way, but doubled down on partisanship against the press.

    There was a lot under his control that he wouldn’t control.

    For me, politicians are tools (just as I am to them as a voter). As a tool, Trump is no longer useful to me. If he hadn’t of screwed up January 6th, he could have been an ex-president that rivaled Teddy Rooselvelt’s post-presidency with a shot at another term. He blew that too.

    All I’m interested in is keeping Trump voters in the same tent, hopefully without Trump.

    If it’s someone such as Hogan, Cheney, Kinsinger, DeWine, Christie … never mind.

    I’ll vote for Trump or DeSantis. Can’t see anyone else now.

    I figure that the field is wide open with an early favorite.  At this phase of the 2012-2016 cycle, Woe was Me and my garment was rent.

    And then Along came Donald

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  24. BDB Coolidge
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    @BDB

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    Yes, I read it that way and I agree with you, BDB. The reason I softened the “owed” part is that, as I tried to hint in the third paragraph with that “different man” part, and as Al described in more detail in #19, President Trump could, I believe, have won in 2022 had he behaved differently — differently in ways that a great many of us […]

    Um…   HARRUMPH!  Heck yeah, buy that man a drink.  Where’s the girls?

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  25. Django Member
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    @Django

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Good post. It’s good to periodically recount the scope of the dishonesty surrounding the Russian collusion narrative, and to plainly state its origin in the Democratic Party.

    The only person owed the presidency is the one who wins the election. It isn’t obvious that President Trump actually won the election, so I won’t say he’s owed another four years.

    My hope is that some other Republican receives the nomination in 2024 and learns everything he can from President Trump’s experience — and most especially those features of President Trump that make him so appealing to a large number of non-traditional Republican voters. I hope that candidate receives President Trump’s endorsement.

    But whoever runs in 2024 on the Republican ticket will have my vote and my support. It won’t break my heart if that’s President Trump. It’ll just make me very nervous, because he inspires a hatred from the left that, unfortunately, gets out their vote.

     

    Yes, I read it that way and I agree with you, BDB. The reason I softened the “owed” part is that, as I tried to hint in the third paragraph with that “different man” part, and as Al described in more detail in #19, President Trump could, I believe, have won in 2022 had he behaved differently — differently in ways that a great many of us were encouraging him to behave. Even many of us who were Trump supporters saw, after his election and long before COVID, that re-election was likely to be a unique challenge because of the unique character of the man himself.

    So I believe that he was cheated, both legally and illegally. Beyond that–

    Well, he gets dumped on enough. I voted for him twice, will happily vote for him again, and think he was a very good President.

    The thing that irritated me most early on was not the mean tweets or his tendency to punch down, but rather his tendency to try to bluff his way through questions. I think it was Hewitt(sp?) who asked him about the “nuclear triad”. Trump didn’t even know what that meant, but he mumbled a bit and then said that it was “very important” to him. Hell, I could have handled that question better than he did, and that was not the only example where he was in over his head. 

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  26. BDB Coolidge
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    @BDB

    Django (View Comment):
    The thing that irritated me most early on was not the mean tweets or his tendency to punch down, but rather his tendency to try to bluff his way through questions. I think it was Hewitt(sp?) who asked him about the “nuclear triad”. Trump didn’t even know what that meant, but he mumbled a bit and then said that it was “very important” to him. Hell, I could have handled that question better than he did, and that was not the only example where he was in over his head. 

    Hewitt sold his soul for Romney boosterism and with it went a lot of his audience, including me.  And Glenn from Dallas, so step off.

    I didn;t “hire” Trump because I expected him to have mastered all that DC stuff.  Admittedly, I like to think I would have said (were I otherwise ignorant of the nuclear “triad” bureacratic funding concept) roughly,”it sounds awfully important — I’m sure I’ll have experts at hand 24/7 for that sort of detailed knowledge.  My job is to fix the backed-up toilet on our east coast — Washington DC.  Thank you, next question.”

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  27. Django Member
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    @Django

    BDB (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):
    The thing that irritated me most early on was not the mean tweets or his tendency to punch down, but rather his tendency to try to bluff his way through questions. I think it was Hewitt(sp?) who asked him about the “nuclear triad”. Trump didn’t even know what that meant, but he mumbled a bit and then said that it was “very important” to him. Hell, I could have handled that question better than he did, and that was not the only example where he was in over his head.

    Hewitt sold his soul for Romney boosterism and with it went a lot of his audience, including me. And Glenn from Dallas, so step off.

    I didn;t “hire” Trump because I expected him to have mastered all that DC stuff. Admittedly, I like to think I would have said (were I otherwise ignorant of the nuclear “triad” bureacratic funding concept) roughly,”it sounds awfully important — I’m sure I’ll have experts at hand 24/7 for that sort of detailed knowledge. My job is to fix the backed-up toilet on our east coast — Washington DC. Thank you, next question.”

    I probably would have said, “I don’t currently hold a security clearance. After I’m sworn into office, I’ll get the necessary briefings, and after considering what I hear, I will have an opinion. For now, I have no comment. BTW, Mr. Hewitt if you hold security clearances, you should keep your mouth shut, and if you don’t, your opinion is worth no more than mine.” 

    In sum, I’d never get elected, but I’d have fun campaigning. 

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  28. Flicker Coolidge
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    It’s good for the Democrats and the GOPe to live in the fear that Trump may again become President. So whether or not I’d prefer Trump in 2024, it’s good for them to think I would.

    I don’t think they loathe or live in fear of Trump himself, I think it’s what he represents.  This is why Republicans are targeted for supporting his policies or plans.  This is why Trumpers are maligned, and called by the White House and the FBI domestic terrorists.  This is why the low-information voters on the left as well as some Never-Trumpers have been trained to loathe him, and even call for his (metaphorical?) death, and the death of Trumpism, and those who would carry on his policies.

    For whatever policy reasons, or perhaps corrupt financial reasons, his closed-border, anti-China, reduced give-away spending (including NATO), anti-abortion, anti-CRT, conservative Supreme Court inclinations are what is so vehemently opposed.  It occurs to me that if a like-minded Trump politician were to win the White House, there would be an in-bed-with-China scandal, or some-such fabricated story-line, to hog-tie him for the next four years as well.

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  29. Django Member
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    @Django

    Flicker (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    It’s good for the Democrats and the GOPe to live in the fear that Trump may again become President. So whether or not I’d prefer Trump in 2024, it’s good for them to think I would.

    I don’t think they loathe or live in fear of Trump himself, I think it’s what he represents. This is why Republicans are targeted for supporting his policies or plans. This is why Trumpers are maligned, and called by the White House and the FBI domestic terrorists. This is why the low-information voters on the left as well as some Never-Trumpers have been trained to loathe him, and even call for his (metaphorical?) death, and the death of Trumpism, and those who would carry on his policies.

    For whatever policy reasons, or perhaps corrupt financial reasons, his closed-border, anti-China, reduced give-away spending (including NATO), anti-abortion, anti-CRT, conservative Supreme Court inclinations are what is so vehemently opposed. It occurs to me that if a like-minded Trump politician were to win the White House, there would be an in-bed-with-China scandal, or some-such fabricated story-line, to hog-tie him for the next four years as well.

    Read today that Mike Pence will be supporting all the incumbents that Trump wants to have primaried. Gauntlet has been thrown down and picked up. For my part, Pence can go fornicate himself. I will not vote for him if he is the candidate in the future. 

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  30. The Reticulator Member
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    Django (View Comment):
    Read today that Mike Pence will be supporting all the incumbents that Trump wants to have primaried. Gauntlet has been thrown down and picked up. For my part, Pence can go fornicate himself. I will not vote for him if he is the candidate in the future. 

    I still think Trump owes Pence an apology. Doesn’t mean Pence should treat Trump as badly as Trump treated him.  

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