A Young Woman Dies After a COVID Vaccine; Twitter Labels Her Obituary ‘Misleading’

 

Jessica Berg Wilson’s obituary describes her as “an exceptionally healthy and vibrant 37-year-old young mother with no underlying health conditions” who “died unexpectedly on Sep. 7 from COVID-19 Vaccine-Induced Thrombotic Thrombocytopenia (VITT).”

The obituary continues:

Jessica fully embraced motherhood, sharing her passion for life with her daughters. Jessica’s motherly commitment was intense, with unwavering determination to nurture her children to be confident, humble, responsible, and to have concern and compassion for others with high morals built on Faith.

Jessica’s greatest passion was to be the best mother possible for Bridget and Clara. Nothing would stand in her way to be present in their lives. During the last weeks of her life, however, the world turned dark with heavy-handed vaccine mandates. Local and state governments were determined to strip away her right to consult her wisdom and enjoy her freedom. She had been vehemently opposed to taking the vaccine, knowing she was in good health and of a young age and thus not at risk for serious illness. In her mind, the known and unknown risks of the unproven vaccine were more of a threat. But, slowly, day by day, her freedom to choose was stripped away. Her passion to be actively involved in her children’s education—which included being a Room Mom—was, once again, blocked by government mandate. Ultimately, those who closed doors and separated mothers from their children prevailed.

It cost Jessica her life. It cost her children the loving embrace of their caring mother. And it cost her husband the sacred love of his devoted wife. It cost God’s Kingdom on earth a very special soul who was just making her love felt in the hearts of so many.

This very sad story was made even worse by the Twitter Police.

When a Twitter user posted this young woman’s obituary, adding in the caption that she had not wanted to get vaccinated, the post was slapped with a warning label. It read: “This Tweet is misleading. Find out why health officials consider COVID-19 vaccines safe for most people.” It provided a link so users could “find out more.” The message also said, “This Tweet can’t be replied to, shared or liked.”

Here is a screenshot of the Twitter warning label.

This is what pops up if you click on the retweet button.

Misleading? A healthy young woman, who believed that the vaccine posed a greater risk to her health than contracting the virus itself, was required to comply with the school’s vaccine requirement for visitors if she wanted to be involved in her children’s classrooms.

She took the vaccine and was one of the unlucky ones. I am not anti-vax, but these vaccines do come with a risk. And no one should be forced into submission.

This is tyranny and it’s hard to imagine this is happening in America.

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  1. Flicker Coolidge
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    Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Demo… (View Comment):

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    Stina (View Comment):

    A qualified like for this part. The vaccines have limited benefit once fully “immune”. Anything between first shot and that point is a black box lumped in with unvaccinated numbers.

    We do not know the actual risk, it may be higher than reported, government lies and is corruptible, and not everyone carries the same risks from Covid.

    on a related, but side note – that “all cause mortality” study that should have been morbidity raised some interesting thoughts – if the risk of severe outcome is really small, people will be more willing to accept that risk over a very high risk for somewhat less severe outcomes. The Data supplied to the FDA for approval demonstrated the vaccines have a very high risk for severe outcomes less severe than death while the placebo group had a very low risk of death (while still being higher risk than the vaccinated group).

    That is going to affect people’s choices. Which is why that data is being buried under data manipulation and shoddy reporting.

    Here is a bit from CTH, The deaths from the third shot are worse than after the second.

    In the U.K. data study there were:

    157,400 Delta variant cases amid the fully vaccinated (26.52% of total cases), and 257,357 Delta variant cases amid the unvaccinated (43.36% of total cases). However, when it came to severe outcomes 63.5% of deaths were from the fully vaccinated group. [source]

    And more than double the deaths from the unvaccinated.

    The problem with this analysis is that it does not use death rates based upon vaccination rates by age. In the UK those older than 50 have a vaccination rate of 94%, so all non-vaccinated deaths come from the remaining 6%. When you calculate death rates it turns out they are 6X higher in the unvaccinated. Between 25-49, about 76% of those are vaccinated and so the death rate is 8X for the unvaccinated.

    Throughout all the controversies about covid there has been a tendency for both sides to use rates or absolute numbers, whichever is most convenient for the argument they want to make at that time.

    This is a portion of a chart on a report on the study.  I only skimmed over the study itself and it is too complex for me to read in one sitting.  It’s 61 pages long and rather complex.  But here is the link.

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1018547/Technical_Briefing_23_21_09_16.pdf

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  2. Western Chauvinist Member
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    I don’t read anyone defending the news blackout on social media or the mandates or even claiming that this young mother’s tragic death is fake news.

    The thing you can take away from vaccine safety (versus adverse reactions) is the scale and your personal knowledge/experience of those vaccinated. Almost everyone I know is vaccinated. There are only one or two exceptions in my life (and some of them have had COVID and recovered, but some were hospitalized, too, and almost didn’t make it). I know of no one with a severe enough reaction to even comment on it. My sister had Moderna arm and my nieces developed the weird vaso-constriction thing in their hands — both temporary.

    Look, I don’t want to be responsible for someone getting sick or dying from the vaccine because of my relatively benign experience with it (and also those I know who’ve been vaccinated). But no one should want to discourage someone (especially someone vulnerable) from getting the vaccine based on dodgy information. 

    What this situation calls for is subsidiarity. Talk to the person closest to you who is responsible for your medical care (and who hopefully respects your freedom) and take their advice. Hopefully, this is your primary care doctor. 

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  3. kedavis Coolidge
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    EJHill (View Comment):

    Flicker: If I were to refuse it, would they really tie me down to give me a booster? Because it’s their body?

    It’s the next logical step, is it not?

    Either that or just deny you the ability to feed yourself, etc, and when you die, well, problem solved!  And they can count you as another “covid death” too.  So, win-win, for them.

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  4. kedavis Coolidge
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I did have a thought relevant to this issue, while driving to work this morning.

    It is possible that there is a breakdown in the public health bureaucracy, which we rely upon to monitor negative vaccine responses. This could cause their reporting to be inaccurate. Is there a market mechanism that might correct this?

    The thing that came to mind is this: Pfizer has a pretty strong financial incentive to find a problem with the Moderna vaccine, and vice versa. If Pfizer could demonstrate that it’s vaccine is safer or more effective than its competitor, I would think that this would significantly increase sales of the Pfizer vaccine. Again, and vice versa, as I don’t want to pick on any particular company, but merely to note their incentives.

    Except they’re both kinda working for the government now.

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  5. kedavis Coolidge
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    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    What cannot be disputed, in my view, is that your argument conforms precisely to the methodology of the argument made by BLM advocates, swapping out “black men killed by cops” for “Covid deaths.”

    Hardly. The definition of “unvaccinated” is not an intangible based on oral history, it’s written in their policy. The failure rate of the tests is well documented by even MSM reporting. The fact that Covid numbers were driven by monetary compensation was/is a scandal many have covered in great detail.

    That definition is based on the fact that it takes a couple of weeks for the vaccine to work. It doesn’t instantly protect you. So, a person shouldn’t be considered “vaccinated” until then.

    I got the impression that the complaint is that if someone gets vaccinated and dies, but it hasn’t been 14 days yet, they are classified as “unvaccinated” and so “therefore” the vaccine couldn’t have caused the death.

     

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  6. kedavis Coolidge
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    Stina (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):
    When 185,000,000 people take HCQ and Ivermectin over the course of a few months, and I hear of virtually no one having any problem with them, I’ll give them the same thumb’s up I give the vaccine. Not sure what else you’re looking for, here.

    As long as the MSM doesn’t report on bad vaccine reactions, they aren’t happening. That’s a nifty world you live in.

    Or, they aren’t considered “vaccination” deaths if they die within 14 days of the second jab and are thus categorized as “unvaccinated.”

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  7. kedavis Coolidge
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

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    D.A. Venters (View Comment):
    When 185,000,000 people take HCQ and Ivermectin over the course of a few months, and I hear of virtually no one having any problem with them, I’ll give them the same thumb’s up I give the vaccine. Not sure what else you’re looking for, here.

    As long as the MSM doesn’t report on bad vaccine reactions, they aren’t happening. That’s a nifty world you live in.

    That’s not even close to what he said.

    If tens of thousands of people were being killed by the Vaccine, most of us would personally know someone who had died, whether it got reported in the media or not.

    I personally know of several people who’ve died of Covid. I’m not aware of anyone who had more than an afternoon of feeling “off” after getting vaccinated.

    Are you somehow certain they actually died OF covid and not just WITH covid?  My uncle died last month, for example, basically of heart problems because he had COPD for a long time and was due for a stent but never got it.  After his death, he tested positive for covid – which could mean he had it and got over it months ago, really – but he really died from a long-term ongoing health issue.

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  8. Flicker Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    What cannot be disputed, in my view, is that your argument conforms precisely to the methodology of the argument made by BLM advocates, swapping out “black men killed by cops” for “Covid deaths.”

    Hardly. The definition of “unvaccinated” is not an intangible based on oral history, it’s written in their policy. The failure rate of the tests is well documented by even MSM reporting. The fact that Covid numbers were driven by monetary compensation was/is a scandal many have covered in great detail.

    That definition is based on the fact that it takes a couple of weeks for the vaccine to work. It doesn’t instantly protect you. So, a person shouldn’t be considered “vaccinated” until then.

    I got the impression that the complaint is that if someone gets vaccinated and dies, but it hasn’t been 14 days yet, they are classified as “unvaccinated” and so “therefore” the vaccine couldn’t have caused the death.

    I think that’s right.  At least that’s what the government has been saying.

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    Stina (View Comment):

    Oh. And I personally know no one who has died from COVID. That must mean no one has died of COVID.

    And according to Pauline Kaele, nobody voted for Nixon either.

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  10. Vince Guerra Inactive
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    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

    If the vaccines were causing health issues in any significant percentage of people, there is no way it could be hidden.  We would all be hearing about it all the time from friends, family, etc.. Just like we hear all the time about people within in varying degrees of separation dying or having serious issues from covid infections.   But I never hear about people who’ve been hurt by the vaccines.

    Have you heard about anyone you know coming down with a sudden unexplained illness, blood clot, heart issue, neurological issue? The people you should be checking with are nurses, doctors, and medical researchers because, yes, they have been reporting upticks in all of the things I just mentioned and more. It’s beyond an anomaly at this point, it should be blaring siren for medical researchers to take warning.

    Some are. I’ve written posts about it, cited studies, showed videos, given links…all to an audience who continues to say, “Well, we would have heard about it by now.” If you’re not hearing about it it’s because you choose not to. Watch these if you really want to understand the reality. We’re not just making this stuff up. We’re trying to warn you, bro. 

    I understand experiences will vary from person to person, but again, with the number of people who have taken the vaccine, I have to think my experience is a common one.  So, if someone is trying to convince me that the vaccine risk is significant, and there’s been some kind of coverup of the harm it’s causing, it’s a tough row to hoe.  It’s going to require extraordinary evidence.    

    The evidence is everywhere. There are many people who don’t want you not to know about it, including the Ricochet leadership. Ever wonder why the posts detailing vaccine dangers never get promoted to the main page? It’s called censorship, and until 2020 most people used to think that a news item being censored was evidence of its validity. 

     

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  11. Bob Thompson Member
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    Oh, and as Front Seat Cat pointed out, a vaccine that we are not even allowed to talk about or debate on social media.

    I watch very little tv but I have noticed that Pharma has a significant commercial presence. social and public media were in lockstep before the election and it appears they have now been joined by Pharma and the federal government. The intersections are all working together.

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  12. Vince Guerra Inactive
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    EB (View Comment):
    No, what I ask is for people to show actual data that the vaccine is “killing and maiming people.”

    Aside from the case listed in the post? Here.  Check with the CDC, or a few morticians, doctors, or a few medical researchers. How many data points would you like?

    https://creativedestructionmedia.com/american-conversations/

     

    Also, notice how dangerous things get for those who get the injections versus those who don’t?

     

     

     

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  13. Miffed White Male Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    What cannot be disputed, in my view, is that your argument conforms precisely to the methodology of the argument made by BLM advocates, swapping out “black men killed by cops” for “Covid deaths.”

    Hardly. The definition of “unvaccinated” is not an intangible based on oral history, it’s written in their policy. The failure rate of the tests is well documented by even MSM reporting. The fact that Covid numbers were driven by monetary compensation was/is a scandal many have covered in great detail.

    That definition is based on the fact that it takes a couple of weeks for the vaccine to work. It doesn’t instantly protect you. So, a person shouldn’t be considered “vaccinated” until then.

    I got the impression that the complaint is that if someone gets vaccinated and dies, but it hasn’t been 14 days yet, they are classified as “unvaccinated” and so “therefore” the vaccine couldn’t have caused the death.

     

    “Unvaccinated” in that context applies to whether or not you can get Covid, not whether you have a reaction to the vaccine.  

    So people who test positive for Covid within 14 days of being vaccinated are reported as unvaccinated.

     

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  14. Miffed White Male Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):
    When 185,000,000 people take HCQ and Ivermectin over the course of a few months, and I hear of virtually no one having any problem with them, I’ll give them the same thumb’s up I give the vaccine. Not sure what else you’re looking for, here.

    As long as the MSM doesn’t report on bad vaccine reactions, they aren’t happening. That’s a nifty world you live in.

    That’s not even close to what he said.

    If tens of thousands of people were being killed by the Vaccine, most of us would personally know someone who had died, whether it got reported in the media or not.

    I personally know of several people who’ve died of Covid. I’m not aware of anyone who had more than an afternoon of feeling “off” after getting vaccinated.

    Are you somehow certain they actually died OF covid and not just WITH covid? My uncle died last month, for example, basically of heart problems because he had COPD for a long time and was due for a stent but never got it. After his death, he tested positive for covid – which could mean he had it and got over it months ago, really – but he really died from a long-term ongoing health issue.

    One was an otherwise healthy 70-year-old former coworker who died of “the flu” in February 2020, before the lockdowns started.

    One was the 20-some-year-old Sister-in-law of one of the guys on my team from India.

    One was a 40-something co-worker of my wife.

     

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  15. Flicker Coolidge
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Oh, and as Front Seat Cat pointed out, a vaccine that we are not even allowed to talk about or debate on social media.

    I watch very little tv but I have noticed that Pharma has a significant commercial presence. social and public media were in lockstep before the election and it appears they have now been joined by Pharma and the federal government. The intersections are all working together.

    I don’t have a TV.  Well, I do but it doesn’t work.  Well, it works, but it doesn’t get a signal.  Anyway, yes, this propaganda is the flip side of the information blackout.

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  16. Miffed White Male Member
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    Vince Guerra (View Comment):
    ber Vince Guerra @VinceGuerra 38 Minutes Ago

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

    If the vaccines were causing health issues in any significant percentage of people, there is no way it could be hidden.  We would all be hearing about it all the time from friends, family, etc.. Just like we hear all the time about people within in varying degrees of separation dying or having serious issues from covid infections.   But I never hear about people who’ve been hurt by the vaccines.

    Have you heard about anyone you know coming down with a sudden unexplained illness, blood clot, heart issue, neurological issue? The people you should be checking with are nurses, doctors, and medical researchers because, yes, they have been reporting upticks in all of the things I just mentioned and more. It’s beyond an anomaly at this point, it should be blaring siren for medical researchers to take warning.

    My wife was vaccinated in April and May (as was I).  

    In the first half of July we went on a  2 week driving vacation around the western US – 5200 miles in 15 days.

    A few days after we returned she was having shortness of breath and spent two nights in the hospital with bloodclots in her leg and lungs.

    Classic DVT, not a result of the vaccine.

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  17. Vince Guerra Inactive
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    A few days after we returned she was having shortness of breath and spent two nights in the hospital with bloodclots in her leg and lungs.

    Classic DVT, not a result of the vaccine.

    How would you know? Has she had vein issues in the past? Does it raise an eyebrow that these blood clots and other issues are suddenly occurring at statistically significant rates? Did the doctors give any indications about why these symptoms suddenly manifested? 

    I’m not saying it’s not coincidental, but the rate of coincidences and the similarities are alarming and worthy of research instead of simply brushing them off. 

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  18. Western Chauvinist Member
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    I know of fairly young people who were hospitalized with blood clots (50’s) and one elderly gentleman from church who is having heart valve replacement surgery tomorrow after being heart-healthy and asymptomatic until very recently. All had COVID. 

    COVID sucks. We really don’t know if the vaccines suck for most people. My primary motivation for taking the vaccine wasn’t to avoid contracting COVID (I think we’re all going to get it eventually). It was to avoid going into the hospital — both me and my family. We’ve done our time there, thanks anyway. 

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  19. D.A. Venters Inactive
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    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

    If the vaccines were causing health issues in any significant percentage of people, there is no way it could be hidden. We would all be hearing about it all the time from friends, family, etc.. Just like we hear all the time about people within in varying degrees of separation dying or having serious issues from covid infections. But I never hear about people who’ve been hurt by the vaccines.

     

    Some are. I’ve written posts about it, cited studies, showed videos, given links…all to an audience who continues to say, “Well, we would have heard about it by now.” If you’re not hearing about it it’s because you choose not to. Watch these if you really want to understand the reality. We’re not just making this stuff up. We’re trying to warn you, bro.

    Oh, it’s far too late for me, Vince. I got the vaccine long ago. But I do appreciate the concern.  What I didn’t get was a severe case of this illness that has now killed about the equivalent of the entire population of Denver. 

     

    The evidence is everywhere

    I’ll tell you what I see everywhere – people who took the vaccine and are totally fine. Again, in case you missed it, over 185,000,000 people in the US. Is there any other medicine that comes close to those numbers – acetaminophen or ibuprofen maybe?  I don’t know. 

    There are many people who don’t want you not to know about it, including the Ricochet leadership.

    If it were anywhere near as bad as you seem to think, they couldn’t possibly stop me from knowing about it. Couldn’t possibly with those massive numbers. Why? Because people communicate to each other! Outside of any censorable channel, believe it or not.  And again, the hospitals, emergency rooms, urgent care clinics, you name  it, would be full of people with severe reactions. That is obviously not happening.

     

     

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  20. Vince Guerra Inactive
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    D.A. Venters (View Comment):
    And again, the hospitals, emergency rooms, urgent care clinics, you name  it, would be full of people with severe reactions. That is obviously not happening.

    Tell that to the nurse, and all of the other healthcare professionals cited in comment #102. As you said, people talk to us all the time, but we get to choose who we listen to and who we ignore. 

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  21. OmegaPaladin Moderator
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    Mandates suck, and they always suck.  Even when absolutely necessary, they are going to suck for some people.  People will die from them, including mandates I support like MMR in schools.  No vaccine is risk free.  Life is not risk free.

    Facebook censorship sucks, just like the rest of Big Tech deciding to be the arbiter of Truth.  I honestly do not care about their rights as a corporation, I want Big Tech to crash and burn.   No one made them God.

    These should be fairly universal ideas.   For those opposed to vaccines here:  Would you support the government banning the vaccine and preventing people from getting it?  Would you support Big Tech suppressing the vaccine?  If your answers are what I think, we might have some common ground.

     

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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    I know of fairly young people who were hospitalized with blood clots (50’s) and one elderly gentleman from church who is having heart valve replacement surgery tomorrow after being heart-healthy and asymptomatic until very recently. All had COVID.

    COVID sucks. We really don’t know if the vaccines suck for most people. My primary motivation for taking the vaccine wasn’t to avoid contracting COVID (I think we’re all going to get it eventually). It was to avoid going into the hospital — both me and my family. We’ve done our time there, thanks anyway.

    I would not be surprised if it can be determined that those who suffer from the vaccine would have similar effects, if not worse, from the virus. But my risk analysis also involves the chance of occurrence, and I have determined that my chance of getting Covid virus into my system would be less than the 100% if I was to get vaccinated.
    Also, I tend to be more afraid of the unknown than known. By now, I have a good idea of the consequence of Covid. Worst case – death. I am good with that. I do not know what the long term consequence of the vaccine is. Part of this post has been about looking at data, what are the long term data for this vaccine?

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  23. Mark Alexander Inactive
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    Taras (View Comment):

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    Does this count as a data point?

    To be a data point, it has to contain data.

    Presumably data would be brought forward in such a hypothetical (and extremely improbable) debate with “lying scumbag” Anthony Fauci.

    This reminds me of an open letter to then-New York City Mayor Abe Beame from a woman handing out flyers on the street near Columbia University. It began: “Jew Abraham Beame, why have you not answered my letters?“

    My little brother took a flyer out of curiosity, and almost fell over from laughing so hard!

    Testimony can be a data point. Authorities’ opinions can be data points. A collection of data may not prove anything. To dismiss them as irrelevant to an inquiry before compiling them and evaluating their relevance is a common error.

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    Flicker (View Comment):

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    Mark Alexander (View Comment):
    When data is regarded as the ONLY measure for proof, we have exited the forum of reason and evidence.

    Huh?

     

    Evidence and reason comprise more than just hard data. Evaluating the credibility of authorities who offer data is critical, because in the end, who among us are allowed access to the data, especially in this matter?

    We must rely on the credibility of the authorities who offer that data, and we must make a case that does not rely on absolute statements, but on weighing better and worse arguments when interpreting that data.

    Thus we have to rely on “testimony.” Too many who dismiss out of hand “anecdotal evidence” accept the “anecdotal evidence” or testimony of their chosen authorities.

    When there is a series of reasonable questions regarding the credibility of relied-on authorities, you are on slippery ground to rely on their data.

    Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts. If that statement does not make sense to you, then I suggest you may be operating with a corrupt definition of science.

    I would like to like this five times. Once for each paragraph.

    Does this count as a relevant data point? If you don’t think so, dig in a little deeper and you may catch it…

    https://politikditto.net/2021/10/02/australia-premier-of-nsw-forced-to-resign-after-receiving-millions-from-pfizer-to-push-vaccine-laws/

    You mean other than the obvious? That her boyfriend was corrupt and the Melbourne lock-downs occurred while she was allegedly taking millions from Pfizer to lock-down Melbourne?

    That Pfizer is actively influencing authorities to corrupt the data raising a red flag on these vaccines.

    Yeah, I accept that as a given. Do you have a link to Pfizer paying her off?

    No. The claim is out there, and here’s hoping an investigation will establish the validity of the claim. But it seems a fair bet that she did not resign for light reasons.

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  25. D.A. Venters Inactive
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    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):
    And again, the hospitals, emergency rooms, urgent care clinics, you name it, would be full of people with severe reactions. That is obviously not happening.

    Tell that to the nurse, and all of the other healthcare professionals cited in comment #102. As you said, people talk to us all the time, but we get to choose who we listen to and who we ignore.

    I’m trying to explain why they’re being ignored. It’s because what they are saying does not line up with the everyday experiences of the vast majority of people, experiences which include people talking to doctors and nurses they know. And not just their own doctors and nurses, but doctors and nurses who are their spouses, sisters, friends, neighbors, etc.

    Again, if there were significant numbers of severe reactions, people would be hearing about it from the people they know in their everyday lives. They would be being warned by these people they know personally not to take it. I’m sure there are exceptions here and there, but by and large, that is not happening.

    So, the ones trying to make these extraordinary claims seem to be ignored. 

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  26. Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Democracy) Coolidge
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Demo… (View Comment):

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    Stina (View Comment):

    A qualified like for this part. The vaccines have limited benefit once fully “immune”. Anything between first shot and that point is a black box lumped in with unvaccinated numbers.

    We do not know the actual risk, it may be higher than reported, government lies and is corruptible, and not everyone carries the same risks from Covid.

    on a related, but side note – that “all cause mortality” study that should have been morbidity raised some interesting thoughts – if the risk of severe outcome is really small, people will be more willing to accept that risk over a very high risk for somewhat less severe outcomes. The Data supplied to the FDA for approval demonstrated the vaccines have a very high risk for severe outcomes less severe than death while the placebo group had a very low risk of death (while still being higher risk than the vaccinated group).

    That is going to affect people’s choices. Which is why that data is being buried under data manipulation and shoddy reporting.

    Here is a bit from CTH, The deaths from the third shot are worse than after the second.

    In the U.K. data study there were:

    157,400 Delta variant cases amid the fully vaccinated (26.52% of total cases), and 257,357 Delta variant cases amid the unvaccinated (43.36% of total cases). However, when it came to severe outcomes 63.5% of deaths were from the fully vaccinated group. [source]

    And more than double the deaths from the unvaccinated.

    The problem with this analysis is that it does not use death rates based upon vaccination rates by age. In the UK those older than 50 have a vaccination rate of 94%, so all non-vaccinated deaths come from the remaining 6%. When you calculate death rates it turns out they are 6X higher in the unvaccinated. Between 25-49, about 76% of those are vaccinated and so the death rate is 8X for the unvaccinated.

    Throughout all the controversies about covid there has been a tendency for both sides to use rates or absolute numbers, whichever is most convenient for the argument they want to make at that time.

    This is a portion of a chart on a report on the study. I only skimmed over the study itself and it is too complex for me to read in one sitting. It’s 61 pages long and rather complex. But here is the link.

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1018547/Technical_Briefing_23_21_09_16.pdf

    I read the full report before making my comment.

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  27. Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Democracy) Coolidge
    Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Democracy)
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    Mark Alexander (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Mark Alexander (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Mark Alexander (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Mark Alexander (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Mark Alexander (View Comment):
    When data is regarded as the ONLY measure for proof, we have exited the forum of reason and evidence.

    Huh?

     

    Evidence and reason comprise more than just hard data. Evaluating the credibility of authorities who offer data is critical, because in the end, who among us are allowed access to the data, especially in this matter?

    We must rely on the credibility of the authorities who offer that data, and we must make a case that does not rely on absolute statements, but on weighing better and worse arguments when interpreting that data.

    Thus we have to rely on “testimony.” Too many who dismiss out of hand “anecdotal evidence” accept the “anecdotal evidence” or testimony of their chosen authorities.

    When there is a series of reasonable questions regarding the credibility of relied-on authorities, you are on slippery ground to rely on their data.

    Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts. If that statement does not make sense to you, then I suggest you may be operating with a corrupt definition of science.

    I would like to like this five times. Once for each paragraph.

    Does this count as a relevant data point? If you don’t think so, dig in a little deeper and you may catch it…

    https://politikditto.net/2021/10/02/australia-premier-of-nsw-forced-to-resign-after-receiving-millions-from-pfizer-to-push-vaccine-laws/

    You mean other than the obvious? That her boyfriend was corrupt and the Melbourne lock-downs occurred while she was allegedly taking millions from Pfizer to lock-down Melbourne?

    That Pfizer is actively influencing authorities to corrupt the data raising a red flag on these vaccines.

    Yeah, I accept that as a given. Do you have a link to Pfizer paying her off?

    No. The claim is out there, and here’s hoping an investigation will establish the validity of the claim. But it seems a fair bet that she did not resign for light reasons.

    So one headline with nothing supporting it in the article and no mentions of Pfizer in any other article I could find on the resignation is a “claim” to which you ominously add “she did not resign for light reasons” to imply it probably was Pfizer?  That’s a “relevant data point”?  Seems more like you are desperately searching for anything to grab on to in order to justify your priors.

    • #117
  28. Western Chauvinist Member
    Western Chauvinist
    @WesternChauvinist

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):
    And again, the hospitals, emergency rooms, urgent care clinics, you name it, would be full of people with severe reactions. That is obviously not happening.

    Tell that to the nurse, and all of the other healthcare professionals cited in comment #102. As you said, people talk to us all the time, but we get to choose who we listen to and who we ignore.

    This is always the problem with “experts.” Dennis Prager used to talk about listening to the local fire chief advising to keep kids behind classroom doors all day for fire safety. When’s the last time you heard about kids being killed in a schoolhouse fire? Well, the fire chief has probably seen some bad stuff, but does that justify keeping kids in virtual lockdown despite sprinkler systems and other safety measures implemented in schools?

    Same with doctors who tell Prager he shouldn’t smoke cigars. How many people do you know who’ve died from cancers caused by cigar smoking? Not many, I’d bet. But, the doctor does, because that’s who he sees in his practice — people sick with cancers.

    “Experts” have a narrow view and limited experience out in the wild. In my wilderness (with lots of family in medicine), no one is talking about personal knowledge of severe reactions to the vaccine. Exactly zero people. 

    But, don’t take my word for it. Talk to your doctor about what’s right for you.

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  29. Miffed White Male Member
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    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    A few days after we returned she was having shortness of breath and spent two nights in the hospital with bloodclots in her leg and lungs.

    Classic DVT, not a result of the vaccine.

    How would you know? Has she had vein issues in the past? Does it raise an eyebrow that these blood clots and other issues are suddenly occurring at statistically significant rates? Did the doctors give any indications about why these symptoms suddenly manifested?

    I’m not saying it’s not coincidental, but the rate of coincidences and the similarities are alarming and worthy of research instead of simply brushing them off.

    It was over two months after her last vaccination, and there’s a much more proximate recognized cause of such clots.

     

    Or should I blame my mothers death in August on the vaccinations she got in January and February?  [Dark humor – she was killed in a car crash].

    • #119
  30. Miffed White Male Member
    Miffed White Male
    @MiffedWhiteMale

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):
    And again, the hospitals, emergency rooms, urgent care clinics, you name it, would be full of people with severe reactions. That is obviously not happening.

    Tell that to the nurse, and all of the other healthcare professionals cited in comment #102. As you said, people talk to us all the time, but we get to choose who we listen to and who we ignore.

    Are the se the same Health Care Professionals telling us on twitter about the dozens of patients they’ve treated who tell them they thought Covid was a hoax as they’re dying, only to find the hospital they claim they work at hasn’t reported any Covid deaths?

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