A Young Woman Dies After a COVID Vaccine; Twitter Labels Her Obituary ‘Misleading’

 

Jessica Berg Wilson’s obituary describes her as “an exceptionally healthy and vibrant 37-year-old young mother with no underlying health conditions” who “died unexpectedly on Sep. 7 from COVID-19 Vaccine-Induced Thrombotic Thrombocytopenia (VITT).”

The obituary continues:

Jessica fully embraced motherhood, sharing her passion for life with her daughters. Jessica’s motherly commitment was intense, with unwavering determination to nurture her children to be confident, humble, responsible, and to have concern and compassion for others with high morals built on Faith.

Jessica’s greatest passion was to be the best mother possible for Bridget and Clara. Nothing would stand in her way to be present in their lives. During the last weeks of her life, however, the world turned dark with heavy-handed vaccine mandates. Local and state governments were determined to strip away her right to consult her wisdom and enjoy her freedom. She had been vehemently opposed to taking the vaccine, knowing she was in good health and of a young age and thus not at risk for serious illness. In her mind, the known and unknown risks of the unproven vaccine were more of a threat. But, slowly, day by day, her freedom to choose was stripped away. Her passion to be actively involved in her children’s education—which included being a Room Mom—was, once again, blocked by government mandate. Ultimately, those who closed doors and separated mothers from their children prevailed.

It cost Jessica her life. It cost her children the loving embrace of their caring mother. And it cost her husband the sacred love of his devoted wife. It cost God’s Kingdom on earth a very special soul who was just making her love felt in the hearts of so many.

This very sad story was made even worse by the Twitter Police.

When a Twitter user posted this young woman’s obituary, adding in the caption that she had not wanted to get vaccinated, the post was slapped with a warning label. It read: “This Tweet is misleading. Find out why health officials consider COVID-19 vaccines safe for most people.” It provided a link so users could “find out more.” The message also said, “This Tweet can’t be replied to, shared or liked.”

Here is a screenshot of the Twitter warning label.

This is what pops up if you click on the retweet button.

Misleading? A healthy young woman, who believed that the vaccine posed a greater risk to her health than contracting the virus itself, was required to comply with the school’s vaccine requirement for visitors if she wanted to be involved in her children’s classrooms.

She took the vaccine and was one of the unlucky ones. I am not anti-vax, but these vaccines do come with a risk. And no one should be forced into submission.

This is tyranny and it’s hard to imagine this is happening in America.

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  1. Bob Thompson Member
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    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

    I’m trying to explain why they’re being ignored. It’s because what they are saying does not line up with the everyday experiences of the vast majority of people, experiences which include people talking to doctors and nurses they know. And not just their own doctors and nurses, but doctors and nurses who are their spouses, sisters, friends, neighbors, etc.

     

    So you are accepting that the information dissemination function is operating as it should so all data points are being distributed as we are all accustomed to during our lifetimes? No deliberate distortions.

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  2. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

    I’m trying to explain why they’re being ignored. It’s because what they are saying does not line up with the everyday experiences of the vast majority of people, experiences which include people talking to doctors and nurses they know. And not just their own doctors and nurses, but doctors and nurses who are their spouses, sisters, friends, neighbors, etc.

     

    So you are accepting that the information dissemination function is operating as it should so all data points are being distributed as we are all accustomed to during our lifetimes? No deliberate distortions.

    I don’t think that’s what DAV is saying. I think he’s saying even with faulty and incomplete information via social and mainstream media, we’d be hearing about bad vaccine responses from friends and family — some of whom work in the medical field themselves. 

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  3. Bob Thompson Member
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

    I’m trying to explain why they’re being ignored. It’s because what they are saying does not line up with the everyday experiences of the vast majority of people, experiences which include people talking to doctors and nurses they know. And not just their own doctors and nurses, but doctors and nurses who are their spouses, sisters, friends, neighbors, etc.

     

    So you are accepting that the information dissemination function is operating as it should so all data points are being distributed as we are all accustomed to during our lifetimes? No deliberate distortions.

    I don’t think that’s what DAV is saying. I think he’s saying even with faulty and incomplete information via social and mainstream media, we’d be hearing about bad vaccine responses from friends and family — some of whom work in the medical field themselves.

    I haven’t taken the vaccine because the government, the FDA,  has not followed established procedures for approval of the vaccines as safe and effective. The information distortions, of which you seem to agree exist, give me a sense that there is rationale behind the government omissions. The mandate just completes the distrust. I have always thought this is what Communist regimes bring to the people.

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  4. Miffed White Male Member
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

    I’m trying to explain why they’re being ignored. It’s because what they are saying does not line up with the everyday experiences of the vast majority of people, experiences which include people talking to doctors and nurses they know. And not just their own doctors and nurses, but doctors and nurses who are their spouses, sisters, friends, neighbors, etc.

     

    So you are accepting that the information dissemination function is operating as it should so all data points are being distributed as we are all accustomed to during our lifetimes? No deliberate distortions.

    I don’t think that’s what DAV is saying. I think he’s saying even with faulty and incomplete information via social and mainstream media, we’d be hearing about bad vaccine responses from friends and family — some of whom work in the medical field themselves.

    I haven’t taken the vaccine because the government, the FDA, has not followed established procedures for approval of the vaccines as safe and effective. The information distortions, of which you seem to agree exist, give me a sense that there is rationale behind the government omissions. The mandate just completes the distrust. I have always thought this is what Communist regimes bring to the people.

    I always thought that what communist regimes brought to the people was a reliance on waiting for the government to approve something before you’d use it.

     

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  5. D.A. Venters Inactive
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

    I’m trying to explain why they’re being ignored. It’s because what they are saying does not line up with the everyday experiences of the vast majority of people, experiences which include people talking to doctors and nurses they know. And not just their own doctors and nurses, but doctors and nurses who are their spouses, sisters, friends, neighbors, etc.

     

    So you are accepting that the information dissemination function is operating as it should so all data points are being distributed as we are all accustomed to during our lifetimes? No deliberate distortions. 

    I’m just making a simple point. Which is, again, given the massive numbers of people who have taken the vaccine in this country, hundreds of millions of doses given, if there were a significant number of severe reactions, such a fact could not be effectively covered up. 

    This is now one of the most commonly taken medicines on the planet. If it were dangerous, at least in the first few months, there would be no way to hide it.  

    What that means with respect to “the information dissemination function,” I have no idea. 

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  6. Stina Member
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    OmegaPaladin (View Comment):
    These should be fairly universal ideas.   For those opposed to vaccines here:  Would you support the government banning the vaccine and preventing people from getting it?  Would you support Big Tech suppressing the vaccine?  If your answers are what I think, we might have some common ground.

    Who is anti-vaccine here? I’m anti-mandate and not ready to get this vaccine.

    Some here are anti- this vaccine but have no issues getting other vaccines. We are universally anti-mandate.

    I will answer your questions, but I think you posed it to a caricature of a group you don’t really understand.

    1) no, I do not support the government banning ANY potential treatments if there is any chance they could be effective and a likely chance they will get the patient what they want (prolonging life, typically). Tell me what you think of Ivermectin?

    2) no, I would not support big tech suppressing any discussion around the vaccine. People should be free to discuss the pros and cons. To suppress the pros is just as dastardly as suppressing the cons.

    We should have a lot of common ground, but the more the pro-mRNA vaxxers mischaracterize the anti-mRNA vaxxers, the less common ground we’ll find.

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  7. Stina Member
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    D.A. Venters (View Comment):
    I’m trying to explain why they’re being ignored. It’s because what they are saying does not line up with the everyday experiences of the vast majority of people

    I get this, because that’s how I feel about Covid deaths. I know one person who was hospitalized with it. Half my church had it at the end of the summer.

    No deaths.

    Should I take my experience and extrapolate to no one has died of COVID? The COVID death rate doesn’t line up with my personal experience. Is this a valid way at looking at information?

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  8. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

    I’m trying to explain why they’re being ignored. It’s because what they are saying does not line up with the everyday experiences of the vast majority of people, experiences which include people talking to doctors and nurses they know. And not just their own doctors and nurses, but doctors and nurses who are their spouses, sisters, friends, neighbors, etc.

     

    So you are accepting that the information dissemination function is operating as it should so all data points are being distributed as we are all accustomed to during our lifetimes? No deliberate distortions.

    I don’t think that’s what DAV is saying. I think he’s saying even with faulty and incomplete information via social and mainstream media, we’d be hearing about bad vaccine responses from friends and family — some of whom work in the medical field themselves.

    I haven’t taken the vaccine because the government, the FDA, has not followed established procedures for approval of the vaccines as safe and effective. The information distortions, of which you seem to agree exist, give me a sense that there is rationale behind the government omissions. The mandate just completes the distrust. I have always thought this is what Communist regimes bring to the people.

    mRNA immunotherapy has been in development for a decade. Yes, we don’t know the long, long term effects, but it has saved the lives of people like my sister-in-law with metastatic melanoma.

    COVID is no joke. It is not simply the flu or a bad cold. The vaccine hasn’t done anything to the vast majority of people (qualified “yet”) that COVID hasn’t done a hundred-fold worse. 

    Don’t take the vaccine  because the government tells you to. Take it — or not — after consulting with a trusted primary care physician. 

    I think the mandates are horrible. But, I’m pretty sure the horribleness is going to intensify (unless and until the country undergoes a major religious revival). If you think being forced to take the vaccine is bad, check out the CDC’s “shielding” plan (heard about it from the priest conducting a mission at our parish). Australia, hold our beer.

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  9. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):
    mRNA immunotherapy has been in development for a decade.

    Longer than that, and I don’t believe it’s ever worked. Correct me if I’m wrong.

    Sort of like Remdesivir, which Fauci said was the only allowable treatment for COVID (expensive), and which actually caused more damage to the patient than COVID. But man, the makers of Remdesivir (which Fauci has a stake in) made good money.

    No, I don’t trust Big Pharma. Nobody should. And the FDA is owned by Big Pharma.

     

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  10. Bob Thompson Member
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    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

    I’m trying to explain why they’re being ignored. It’s because what they are saying does not line up with the everyday experiences of the vast majority of people, experiences which include people talking to doctors and nurses they know. And not just their own doctors and nurses, but doctors and nurses who are their spouses, sisters, friends, neighbors, etc.

     

    So you are accepting that the information dissemination function is operating as it should so all data points are being distributed as we are all accustomed to during our lifetimes? No deliberate distortions.

    I’m just making a simple point. Which is, again, given the massive numbers of people who have taken the vaccine in this country, hundreds of millions of doses given, if there were a significant number of severe reactions, such a fact could not be effectively covered up.

    This is now one of the most commonly taken medicines on the planet. If it were dangerous, at least in the first few months, there would be no way to hide it.

    What that means with respect to “the information dissemination function,” I have no idea.

    If we were in a real pandemic I would probably be in agreement with your position.

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  11. Bob Thompson Member
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

    I’m trying to explain why they’re being ignored. It’s because what they are saying does not line up with the everyday experiences of the vast majority of people, experiences which include people talking to doctors and nurses they know. And not just their own doctors and nurses, but doctors and nurses who are their spouses, sisters, friends, neighbors, etc.

     

    So you are accepting that the information dissemination function is operating as it should so all data points are being distributed as we are all accustomed to during our lifetimes? No deliberate distortions.

    I don’t think that’s what DAV is saying. I think he’s saying even with faulty and incomplete information via social and mainstream media, we’d be hearing about bad vaccine responses from friends and family — some of whom work in the medical field themselves.

    I haven’t taken the vaccine because the government, the FDA, has not followed established procedures for approval of the vaccines as safe and effective. The information distortions, of which you seem to agree exist, give me a sense that there is rationale behind the government omissions. The mandate just completes the distrust. I have always thought this is what Communist regimes bring to the people.

    I always thought that what communist regimes brought to the people was a reliance on waiting for the government to approve something before you’d use it.

     

    That’s what we got here but the government has a new approach.

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  12. Western Chauvinist Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):
    Longer than that, and I don’t believe it’s ever worked. Correct me if I’m wrong.

    I just gave you an example of one — my sister-in-law. She was treated at MD Anderson in Texas.

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  13. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):
    Longer than that, and I don’t believe it’s ever worked. Correct me if I’m wrong.

    I just gave you an example of one — my sister-in-law. She was treated at MD Anderson in Texas.

    Sorry . . . missed that. Reading too fast this morning.

    I still don’t trust Big Pharma, and Fauci’s backing of Remdesivir over any other therapeutic was evil. But then, Fauci is a demon from the pit of hell.

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  14. Bob Thompson Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    I still don’t trust Big Pharma, and Fauci’s backing of Remdesivir over any other therapeutic was evil. But then, Fauci is a demon from the pit of hell.

    This is the relationship context that has raised my distrust to this extreme level. The posturing of the big tech media platforms distorting information dissemination and the resignation of some key senior FDA executives didn’t help either.

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  15. D.A. Venters Inactive
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    Stina (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):
    I’m trying to explain why they’re being ignored. It’s because what they are saying does not line up with the everyday experiences of the vast majority of people

    I get this, because that’s how I feel about Covid deaths. I know one person who was hospitalized with it. Half my church had it at the end of the summer.

    No deaths.

    Should I take my experience and extrapolate to no one has died of COVID? The COVID death rate doesn’t line up with my personal experience. Is this a valid way at looking at information?

    Depends on what information you are evaluating.

    Just use your common sense.  It is estimated that now something like 700,000 people have died from COVID.  It is easily possible that that total would not include anyone you personally know.  It is somewhat more common for people to know someone, or at least be within one degree of separation from someone, who has died from it, but statistically there must be many who do not. 

    It is the conventional wisdom that the vast majority (99% or whatever) of people recover from COVID.  It is no surprise, then, that there would be no deaths among the half your church who got COVID (assuming your church doesn’t have tens of thousands of people in it).

    Common sense would say your experience matches up fine with the broadly reported data.

    What about the vaccine? The covid vaccine has been taken by 185,000,000 people.  That’s over 300,000,000 doses.  Again – use your common sense.  Does it make sense that, with numbers that large, a cover up of significant side effects affecting a significant number of people is possible?

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  16. Bob Thompson Member
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    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):
    I’m trying to explain why they’re being ignored. It’s because what they are saying does not line up with the everyday experiences of the vast majority of people

    I get this, because that’s how I feel about Covid deaths. I know one person who was hospitalized with it. Half my church had it at the end of the summer.

    No deaths.

    Should I take my experience and extrapolate to no one has died of COVID? The COVID death rate doesn’t line up with my personal experience. Is this a valid way at looking at information?

    Depends on what information you are evaluating.

    Just use your common sense. It is estimated that now something like 700,000 people have died from COVID. It is easily possible that that total would not include anyone you personally know. It is somewhat more common for people to know someone, or at least be within one degree of separation from someone, who has died from it, but statistically there must be many who do not.

    It is the conventional wisdom that the vast majority (99% or whatever) of people recover from COVID. It is no surprise, then, that there would be no deaths among the half your church who got COVID (assuming your church doesn’t have tens of thousands of people in it).

    Common sense would say your experience matches up fine with the broadly reported data.

    What about the vaccine? The covid vaccine has been taken by 185,000,000 people. That’s over 300,000,000 doses. Again – use your common sense. Does it make sense that, with numbers that large, a cover up of significant side effects affecting a significant number of people is possible?

    You are arguing against your own points here. You also never address the clear blocking by all media of news that supports narratives which they don’t support. As a matter of fact, you make statements asserting these actions have no effect. Do you realize most people are getting their news from the smartphone in their hand and their shots at the drug store. Few are talking to nurses and doctors.

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  17. OmegaPaladin Moderator
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    Stina (View Comment):

    OmegaPaladin (View Comment):
    These should be fairly universal ideas. For those opposed to vaccines here: Would you support the government banning the vaccine and preventing people from getting it? Would you support Big Tech suppressing the vaccine? If your answers are what I think, we might have some common ground.

    Who is anti-vaccine here? I’m anti-mandate and not ready to get this vaccine.

    Some here are anti- this vaccine but have no issues getting other vaccines. We are universally anti-mandate.

    I will answer your questions, but I think you posed it to a caricature of a group you don’t really understand.

    1) no, I do not support the government banning ANY potential treatments if there is any chance they could be effective and a likely chance they will get the patient what they want (prolonging life, typically). Tell me what you think of Ivermectin?

    2) no, I would not support big tech suppressing any discussion around the vaccine. People should be free to discuss the pros and cons. To suppress the pros is just as dastardly as suppressing the cons.

    We should have a lot of common ground, but the more the pro-mRNA vaxxers mischaracterize the anti-mRNA vaxxers, the less common ground we’ll find.

    @cm Read what I wrote.  I expected your responses, and I was trying to point out that we actually have more in common than the debate implies.  Mandates and Big Tech Censorship, which are key to the original post, are both things we can all agree are horrible and need to be opposed.   Flagging an obituary as misleading is insulting to the grieving family (as well as our intelligence), and the woman should not have been required to be vaccinated for her job.

    I’m not sure who here precisely qualifies as anti-vaccine – I guess it depends on how you define it.

    I do not oppose ivermectin use, as long as it is obtained from a medical professional like any other medication.  (I have to wonder how many people REALLY took animal medication.  Probably a handful, who the media made into a big deal) I would be willing to take it as part of a clinical trial.  I have never condemned the right of physicians to prescribe off label.  I just don’t feel comfortable endorsing it, same with HCQ.   I am in a Vitamin D clinical trial, and I was taking vitamin D for Wuflu protection before I was in that.  That I don’t mind endorsing, because at worst you end up with strong bones and other benefits of vitamin D even it does not help with the Wuflu.

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  18. Vince Guerra Inactive
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    OmegaPaladin (View Comment):
    would be willing to take it as part of a clinical trial.  I have never condemned the right of physicians to prescribe off label.

    Ivermectin is a whole other matter, and the fact that it and things like NAC  are all of a sudden banned the moment the covid injections start getting rammed down our throats (so to speak) should cause your red flags a waving. Something’s not right about it…any of it. 

    With only 5% of Uttar Pradesh’s 230 million people vaccinated, early treatment home kits wiped out an outbreak of COVID-19 dropping cases by 99% in three weeks.

    What was in the home kits

    Tylenol, Vitamin C, Multivitamin, Zinc, Vitamin D3, Ivermectin 12 mg [10 tablets], Doxycycline 100 mg [10 tablets].

    The home kits cost less than $3 per person and brought the number of active cases to below 200.

    This is remarkable considering the province had more than 310,000 active cases during the peak of its COVID outbreak.

    In comparison, one course of Remdisivir cost $3,100 and is the standard of care in many US hospital systems even though the WHO has recommended against its use and meta-analysis studies have shown that it is ineffective against COVID-19.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/indias-ivermectin-blackout-secret-revealed

    Didn’t hear about that, did you? 

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  19. Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Democracy) Coolidge
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    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    OmegaPaladin (View Comment):
    would be willing to take it as part of a clinical trial. I have never condemned the right of physicians to prescribe off label.

    Ivermectin is a whole other matter, and the fact that it and things like NAC are all of a sudden banned the moment the covid injections start getting rammed down our throats (so to speak) should cause your red flags a waving. Something’s not right about it…any of it.

    With only 5% of Uttar Pradesh’s 230 million people vaccinated, early treatment home kits wiped out an outbreak of COVID-19 dropping cases by 99% in three weeks.

    What was in the home kits

    Tylenol, Vitamin C, Multivitamin, Zinc, Vitamin D3, Ivermectin 12 mg [10 tablets], Doxycycline 100 mg [10 tablets].

    The home kits cost less than $3 per person and brought the number of active cases to below 200.

    This is remarkable considering the province had more than 310,000 active cases during the peak of its COVID outbreak.

    In comparison, one course of Remdisivir cost $3,100 and is the standard of care in many US hospital systems even though the WHO has recommended against its use and meta-analysis studies have shown that it is ineffective against COVID-19.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/indias-ivermectin-blackout-secret-revealed

    Didn’t hear about that, did you?

    Uttar Pradesh came up in a related thread a couple of days ago. It doesn’t look like we can tell anything from what happened there.  My comments from that thread below:

    As many have remarked here on Ricochet, covid comes in waves, regardless of what we do.  These waves make asserting cause and effect results – as proponents of masks and lockdowns often have – very difficult; is it causative or coincidental (data generally suggests the latter in the case of masks and lockdowns).  

    During this period India was undergoing such a wave.

    On May 8, 2021 the 7-day average for the entire country peaked at 392,000 reported cases a day, which by July 8 was down to 42,000 a day or a 89.7% reduction.  The 7-day average for deaths peaked on May 21 at a reported 4,700 a day and by July 21 was 500, a reduction of 89.3%.

    So, was the reduction in one Indian state due to this specific intervention or to the natural course of a covid wave?

    There is another possible confounding factor noted in your post.  The distributed kits contained:

    “Paracetamol tablets [tylenol], Vitamin C, Multivitamin, Zinc, Vitamin D3, Ivermectin 12 mg [quantity #10 tablets], Doxycycline 100 mg [quantity #10 tablets]. Other non-medication components included face masks, sanitizer, gloves and alcohol wipes, a digital thermometer, and a pulse oximeter.”

    The kits contained multiple interventions.  To the extent the effect noted in the article was real, and not an artifact of a natural covid wave, disentangling the impact of one specific intervention of a multitude of potential factors is difficult.

    This is not a comment on the potential effectiveness of ivermectin, rather one on the methodology of trying to determine cause and effect.

     

    I just looked at what happened during the spring 2021 covid wave in the states to the east (Bihar) and west (Haryana) of Utter Pradesh (UP) and they follow the same pattern as UP.

    On April 27, the 7-day average in UP peaked at 34,800 cases a day. 41 days later it had decreased to 1,300 or 96.3% lower.

    On May 6, Bihar’s 7 day average peaked at 15,100. 41 days later it was 523 or 96.6% lower.

    On May 9, Haryana’s 7 day average peaked at 14,400. 41 days later it was 315 or 97.8% lower.

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  20. Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Democracy) Coolidge
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    Norm McDonald Had A Farm (View Comment):

    You want to inject me with something but you demand indemnification and immunity from prosecution as a condition of providing to me. You’ll pardon me if I believe you either have no confidence in what’s in the shot or have full confidence in what’s in the shot and know you need to be shielded from liability from the possible effects.

    Either way, that’s a hard no from me Dawg.

    Actually for anyone who has dealt with the mass tort plaintiffs bar, there is another explanation.  The mass tort lawyers ability to generate costly litigation has been remarkable over the decades, whether or not there really was a defective product involved.  Companies will do whatever they need to do to avoid that.  It’s particularly true in the pharma world where we know that even the best products will have some degree of side effects.  It is similar to how firearms manufacturers have sought statutory liability protection when their products are simply being used as designed.

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  21. Bob Thompson Member
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    Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Demo… (View Comment):

    Norm McDonald Had A Farm (View Comment):

    You want to inject me with something but you demand indemnification and immunity from prosecution as a condition of providing to me. You’ll pardon me if I believe you either have no confidence in what’s in the shot or have full confidence in what’s in the shot and know you need to be shielded from liability from the possible effects.

    Either way, that’s a hard no from me Dawg.

    Actually for anyone who has dealt with the mass tort plaintiffs bar, there is another explanation. The mass tort lawyers ability to generate costly litigation has been remarkable over the decades, whether or not there really was a defective product involved. Companies will do whatever they need to do to avoid that. It’s particularly true in the pharma world where we know that even the best products will have some degree of side effects. It is similar to how firearms manufacturers have sought statutory liability protection when their products are simply being used as designed.

    I don’t think there is really any question that the legal profession makes life enormously more complicated and costly than it needs to be. Those same lawyers who pretend they care about people who are induced to use products that harm them are now promoting mandates to force those of us who resist to take this vaccine with no legal recourse of any kind. WT* do they stand for. Looks as if mostly just another form of grift.

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  22. Stina Member
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    OmegaPaladin (View Comment):
    I do not oppose ivermectin use, as long as it is obtained from a medical professional like any other medication.  (I have to wonder how many people REALLY took animal medication.

    My brother had Covid while pharmacies weren’t honoring ivermectin prescriptions, so he did horse paste under dr supervision for dosing.

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  23. Stina Member
    Stina
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    Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Demo… (View Comment):
    On May 8, 2021 the 7-day average for the entire country peaked at 392,000 reported cases a day, which by July 8 was down to 42,000 a day or a 89.7% reduction.  The 7-day average for deaths peaked on May 21 at a reported 4,700 a day and by July 21 was 500, a reduction of 89.3%.

    The reductions aren’t as big a deal as the death rate per case. In which case, the numbers you give don’t give much of any benefit (or concern). The death rate per cases is 1.2% at the top and bottom. So you may be right there.

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  24. Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Democracy) Coolidge
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    @GumbyMark

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Demo… (View Comment):

    Norm McDonald Had A Farm (View Comment):

    You want to inject me with something but you demand indemnification and immunity from prosecution as a condition of providing to me. You’ll pardon me if I believe you either have no confidence in what’s in the shot or have full confidence in what’s in the shot and know you need to be shielded from liability from the possible effects.

    Either way, that’s a hard no from me Dawg.

    Actually for anyone who has dealt with the mass tort plaintiffs bar, there is another explanation. The mass tort lawyers ability to generate costly litigation has been remarkable over the decades, whether or not there really was a defective product involved. Companies will do whatever they need to do to avoid that. It’s particularly true in the pharma world where we know that even the best products will have some degree of side effects. It is similar to how firearms manufacturers have sought statutory liability protection when their products are simply being used as designed.

    I don’t think there is really any question that the legal profession makes life enormously more complicated and costly than it needs to be. Those same lawyers who pretend they care about people who are induced to use products that harm them are now promoting mandates to force those of us who resist to take this vaccine with no legal recourse of any kind. WT* do they stand for. Looks as if mostly just another form of grift.

    Vaccine mandates are bad for many reasons, but one is they fail to take into account the risk profile for covid which, thanks to the media, has led many people to overestimate its impacts on the young.  For those 0-12 the risks are close to nil and not much higher for adolescents and young adults.  But once you hit 60 the risk slope becomes much steeper for every 5 years.  That’s why for me (70) it was a pretty easy decision to get the vaccine because potential benefits easily outweighed risks.  But I can see why someone younger would make a different decision or why parents would not want their children vaccinated.

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  25. OmegaPaladin Moderator
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    Stina (View Comment):

    OmegaPaladin (View Comment):
    I do not oppose ivermectin use, as long as it is obtained from a medical professional like any other medication. (I have to wonder how many people REALLY took animal medication.

    My brother had Covid while pharmacies weren’t honoring ivermectin prescriptions, so he did horse paste under dr supervision for dosing.

    It is pretty disgusting that doctors were not able to prescribe ivermectin pills because of outside interference.  Could you imagine actually getting worms from a mission trip or something, and coming back unable to take the most effective medication?

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  26. kedavis Coolidge
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    CRD (View Comment):
    I would not be surprised if it can be determined that those who suffer from the vaccine would have similar effects, if not worse, from the virus. But my risk analysis also involves the chance of occurrence, and I have determined that my chance of getting Covid virus into my system would be less than the 100% if I was to get vaccinated.

    That’s part of my argument as well, and it’s odd that many people don’t seem to understand that you don’t necessarily get “100% covid” just walking around and living your life, but you DO get 100% of the vaccine if they put it in you.

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  27. Bob Thompson Member
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    Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Demo… (View Comment):
    But I can see why someone younger would make a different decision or why parents would not want their children vaccinated.

    According to Terry McAuliffe, Democrat candidate for Governor of Virginia, and the National School Board Association (NSBA) with support from Merrick Garland and the DoJ, parents don’t have any say over what goes on with their children. That’s governments’ responsibility.

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  28. kedavis Coolidge
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    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):
    And again, the hospitals, emergency rooms, urgent care clinics, you name it, would be full of people with severe reactions. That is obviously not happening.

    Tell that to the nurse, and all of the other healthcare professionals cited in comment #102. As you said, people talk to us all the time, but we get to choose who we listen to and who we ignore.

    I’m trying to explain why they’re being ignored. It’s because what they are saying does not line up with the everyday experiences of the vast majority of people, experiences which include people talking to doctors and nurses they know. And not just their own doctors and nurses, but doctors and nurses who are their spouses, sisters, friends, neighbors, etc.

    Again, if there were significant numbers of severe reactions, people would be hearing about it from the people they know in their everyday lives. They would be being warned by these people they know personally not to take it. I’m sure there are exceptions here and there, but by and large, that is not happening.

    So, the ones trying to make these extraordinary claims seem to be ignored.

    Of course, the same can be said of covid.  How many people don’t personally know of anyone who’s died of covid?  Probably a lot, including me.

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  29. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):
    And again, the hospitals, emergency rooms, urgent care clinics, you name it, would be full of people with severe reactions. That is obviously not happening.

    Tell that to the nurse, and all of the other healthcare professionals cited in comment #102. As you said, people talk to us all the time, but we get to choose who we listen to and who we ignore.

    This is always the problem with “experts.” Dennis Prager used to talk about listening to the local fire chief advising to keep kids behind classroom doors all day for fire safety. When’s the last time you heard about kids being killed in a schoolhouse fire? Well, the fire chief has probably seen some bad stuff, but does that justify keeping kids in virtual lockdown despite sprinkler systems and other safety measures implemented in schools?

    Same with doctors who tell Prager he shouldn’t smoke cigars. How many people do you know who’ve died from cancers caused by cigar smoking? Not many, I’d bet. But, the doctor does, because that’s who he sees in his practice — people sick with cancers.

    “Experts” have a narrow view and limited experience out in the wild. In my wilderness (with lots of family in medicine), no one is talking about personal knowledge of severe reactions to the vaccine. Exactly zero people.

    But, don’t take my word for it. Talk to your doctor about what’s right for you.

    Your wilderness also probably has a lot of talk of people who got severely ill or died of covid, but as you say, those are the people they see.  How many people don’t know of anyone personally, who died of covid?  Probably a lot, including me.

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  30. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):
    And again, the hospitals, emergency rooms, urgent care clinics, you name it, would be full of people with severe reactions. That is obviously not happening.

    Tell that to the nurse, and all of the other healthcare professionals cited in comment #102. As you said, people talk to us all the time, but we get to choose who we listen to and who we ignore.

    Are the se the same Health Care Professionals telling us on twitter about the dozens of patients they’ve treated who tell them they thought Covid was a hoax as they’re dying, only to find the hospital they claim they work at hasn’t reported any Covid deaths?

    You’re harshing their buzz, man!

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