A Young Woman Dies After a COVID Vaccine; Twitter Labels Her Obituary ‘Misleading’

 

Jessica Berg Wilson’s obituary describes her as “an exceptionally healthy and vibrant 37-year-old young mother with no underlying health conditions” who “died unexpectedly on Sep. 7 from COVID-19 Vaccine-Induced Thrombotic Thrombocytopenia (VITT).”

The obituary continues:

Jessica fully embraced motherhood, sharing her passion for life with her daughters. Jessica’s motherly commitment was intense, with unwavering determination to nurture her children to be confident, humble, responsible, and to have concern and compassion for others with high morals built on Faith.

Jessica’s greatest passion was to be the best mother possible for Bridget and Clara. Nothing would stand in her way to be present in their lives. During the last weeks of her life, however, the world turned dark with heavy-handed vaccine mandates. Local and state governments were determined to strip away her right to consult her wisdom and enjoy her freedom. She had been vehemently opposed to taking the vaccine, knowing she was in good health and of a young age and thus not at risk for serious illness. In her mind, the known and unknown risks of the unproven vaccine were more of a threat. But, slowly, day by day, her freedom to choose was stripped away. Her passion to be actively involved in her children’s education—which included being a Room Mom—was, once again, blocked by government mandate. Ultimately, those who closed doors and separated mothers from their children prevailed.

It cost Jessica her life. It cost her children the loving embrace of their caring mother. And it cost her husband the sacred love of his devoted wife. It cost God’s Kingdom on earth a very special soul who was just making her love felt in the hearts of so many.

This very sad story was made even worse by the Twitter Police.

When a Twitter user posted this young woman’s obituary, adding in the caption that she had not wanted to get vaccinated, the post was slapped with a warning label. It read: “This Tweet is misleading. Find out why health officials consider COVID-19 vaccines safe for most people.” It provided a link so users could “find out more.” The message also said, “This Tweet can’t be replied to, shared or liked.”

Here is a screenshot of the Twitter warning label.

This is what pops up if you click on the retweet button.

Misleading? A healthy young woman, who believed that the vaccine posed a greater risk to her health than contracting the virus itself, was required to comply with the school’s vaccine requirement for visitors if she wanted to be involved in her children’s classrooms.

She took the vaccine and was one of the unlucky ones. I am not anti-vax, but these vaccines do come with a risk. And no one should be forced into submission.

This is tyranny and it’s hard to imagine this is happening in America.

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  1. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill
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    EB (View Comment):

     

    EB (View Comment):

    This is the first I have heard about Jessica Berg Wilson, so I am not claiming any special knowledge.

    However, I would like to point out that an obituary is not an autopsy report. Obituaries are written by the families of the deceased and reflect their opinions and beliefs and emotions.

    SNIP

    The entire obituary is an emotional attack on the vaccine. They have lost their daughter – of course they are emotional. But does their claim have some validity? You can’t know without seeing actual data. Saying doesn’t make it so. It’s like a report on VAERS – it’s not actual data. It’s just someone’s story.

    So here’s the thing:health authorities are  expressly discouraging the needed protocol – to the point of forbidding it. Why? The needed protocol could end up clarifying the situation.

    It is called an autopsy.

    A person has to reach into international news forums to even hear about the situation. Most of US news media/propaganda focuses only on  the ever increasing need for more people to get vaxxed, and for those who got Jab 1 and Jab 2 to go and get the booster.

    From the German news site “welte.de”

    Heidelberg chief pathologist calls for more autopsies of vaccinated people

    In order to better understand the effect of vaccines, many more corpses require autopsies, demands Heidelberg chief pathologist, Peter Schirmacher. This doctor has been assuming the existence of a considerable number of unreported cases of vaccination deaths – but his opinion is reaping clear opposition.

    The chief pathologist at the University of Heidelberg, Peter Schirmacher, urges many more autopsies of vaccinated people. “In addition to corona deaths, the corpses of people who die in connection with a vaccination should also have to be examined more frequently, he told  the German Press Agency in Stuttgart.

    The director of the Pathological Institute in Heidelberg even SNIP complains: Pathologists simply do not notice anything about most of the patients who die after and possibly from a vaccination. However, other scientists disagree with him on this point, 

    SNIP

    The doctor now wants to get to the bottom of rare, serious side effects of vaccination – such as cerebral vein thrombosis or autoimmune diseases. The problem: Vaccinated people usually do not die under clinical observation. “The doctor examining the corpse does not establish a context with the vaccination and certifies a natural death and the patient is buried,” reports Schirmacher. “Or he certifies an unclear type of death and the public prosecutor sees no third-party fault and releases the corpse for burial.”

    40 vaccinated people autopsied within two weeks

    In Baden-Württemberg, the pathologists therefore worked with public prosecutors, the police and resident doctors, reports Schirmacher. More than 40 people have already been autopsied who died within two weeks of being vaccinated.SNIP In his opinion, the frequency of fatal consequences of vaccinations is underestimated – a politically explosive statement  when the vaccination campaign is losing momentum…

     

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  2. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    James Bennetts (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    EJHill (View Comment):

    Flicker: Obituaries are often very personal, and spiritual, and memorial of those who have died.

    Not with Marxists. The body belongs to the state, from birth to death. There is no personal.

    I say I agree with you, but I don’t think I really grasp its gravity. My mind boggles at the thought of it. If I were to refuse it, would they really tie me down to give me a booster? Because it’s their body?

    Had they the power to do so, what would stop them?

    How about, “Can’t we talk about this?”

    “Can we talk about  this” did not work out so well to those Aussies who were then wrestled to the ground by the Melbourne police and then forcibly jabbed.

    Nor did it work out so well for the parents of the handful of children who died, during a several day period when a sports stadium in Los Angeles was converted into a vaccine innoculation center. The children were bused there through school programs, without parents being told about it. Twenty two thousand children were given the jab.

    Meanwhile there is a report some Chinese official told an American official “Our government’s bioweapon program against the US has been a great success.”

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  3. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill
    @CarolJoy

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    EB (View Comment):
    The entire obituary is an emotional attack on the vaccine. They have lost their daughter – of course they are emotional. But does their claim have some validity? You can’t know without seeing actual data. Saying doesn’t make it so. It’s like a report on VAERS – it’s not actual data. It’s just someone’s story.

    The injections are harming and sometimes killing people. They serve no benefit. How many more victim, nurse, doctor, and researcher testimonies do the vaxx apologists need before they admit this?

    It seems to be some type of mass hypnotic trance that has descended on people so they no longer reason.

    When I was listening to a round table discussion with several of the pre-eminent scientists who have for over 15 months analyzed the inherent problems, risks and failures of the vaccines, people like Peter McCullough, Mike Yeadon, and Robert Malone, and they were sharing how they were not able to dissuade their own family members and friends from getting the shots, I realized how much of an uphill battle it is to wake people up.

    A death of a loved one or a  serious injury to oneself does wake the individual up. But that way out of the mess is going to require so many more dead bodies and so many more people in wheel chairs that our society will be in a shambles.

     

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  4. Flicker Coolidge
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    Mark Alexander (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Mark Alexander (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Mark Alexander (View Comment):
    When data is regarded as the ONLY measure for proof, we have exited the forum of reason and evidence.

    Huh?

     

    Evidence and reason comprise more than just hard data. Evaluating the credibility of authorities who offer data is critical, because in the end, who among us are allowed access to the data, especially in this matter?

    We must rely on the credibility of the authorities who offer that data, and we must make a case that does not rely on absolute statements, but on weighing better and worse arguments when interpreting that data.

    Thus we have to rely on “testimony.” Too many who dismiss out of hand “anecdotal evidence” accept the “anecdotal evidence” or testimony of their chosen authorities.

    When there is a series of reasonable questions regarding the credibility of relied-on authorities, you are on slippery ground to rely on their data.

    Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts. If that statement does not make sense to you, then I suggest you may be operating with a corrupt definition of science.

    I would like to like this five times. Once for each paragraph.

    Does this count as a relevant data point? If you don’t think so, dig in a little deeper and you may catch it…

    https://politikditto.net/2021/10/02/australia-premier-of-nsw-forced-to-resign-after-receiving-millions-from-pfizer-to-push-vaccine-laws/

    You mean other than the obvious?  That her boyfriend was corrupt and the Melbourne lock-downs occurred while she was allegedly taking millions from Pfizer to lock-down Melbourne?

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  5. Flicker Coolidge
    Flicker
    @Flicker

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    EB (View Comment):
    The entire obituary is an emotional attack on the vaccine. They have lost their daughter – of course they are emotional. But does their claim have some validity? You can’t know without seeing actual data. Saying doesn’t make it so. It’s like a report on VAERS – it’s not actual data. It’s just someone’s story.

    The injections are harming and sometimes killing people. They serve no benefit. How many more victim, nurse, doctor, and researcher testimonies do the vaxx apologists need before they admit this?

    And remember, I’m sure a good many, if not most, of the nurses who are being fired have already gotten covid over the last year and a half.

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  6. Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Democracy) Coolidge
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    Mark Alexander (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Mark Alexander (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Mark Alexander (View Comment):
    When data is regarded as the ONLY measure for proof, we have exited the forum of reason and evidence.

    Huh?

     

    Evidence and reason comprise more than just hard data. Evaluating the credibility of authorities who offer data is critical, because in the end, who among us are allowed access to the data, especially in this matter?

    We must rely on the credibility of the authorities who offer that data, and we must make a case that does not rely on absolute statements, but on weighing better and worse arguments when interpreting that data.

    Thus we have to rely on “testimony.” Too many who dismiss out of hand “anecdotal evidence” accept the “anecdotal evidence” or testimony of their chosen authorities.

    When there is a series of reasonable questions regarding the credibility of relied-on authorities, you are on slippery ground to rely on their data.

    Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts. If that statement does not make sense to you, then I suggest you may be operating with a corrupt definition of science.

    I would like to like this five times. Once for each paragraph.

    Does this count as a relevant data point? If you don’t think so, dig in a little deeper and you may catch it…

    https://politikditto.net/2021/10/02/australia-premier-of-nsw-forced-to-resign-after-receiving-millions-from-pfizer-to-push-vaccine-laws/

    I did and found nothing about bribes from Pfizer.  

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  7. Norm McDonald Had A Farm Inactive
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    @Pseudodionysius

    You want to inject me with something but you demand indemnification and immunity from prosecution as a condition of providing to me. You’ll pardon me if I believe you either have no confidence in what’s in the shot or have full confidence in what’s in the shot and know you need to be shielded from liability from the possible effects.

    Either way, that’s a hard no from me Dawg.

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  8. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    EB (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):
    Tell us whose data is trustworthy.

    I’m not saying the family is lying. If they believe that the vaccine killed her they are not lying. And maybe the vaccine did affect her.

    But data is measurable. It is not someone’s opinion. There are certain criteria which must all be present to diagnose this condition. We don’t know from an obit whether this claim came from actual data or because her parents want something to blame.

    My comments were not meant to criticize the parents, but to caution taking an obituary as scientific fact.

    Do you think is a fact that she was pressured into taking the vaccine? I think this is the point the obit is making. Nobody should have to take the vaccine because they must in order to go about their daily life routine. We have enough factual information to establish that.

    What I don’t understand is why someone so opposed to the vaccine would take it just to appease the “authorities” demanding she do so in order to be a “room mom” in her kids’ school. My choice, were I of her opinion about the vaxx, would have been to yank my kids out of school as fast as you could blink. In fact, that’s always my first choice in these situations (see, California Newsome mandate for students). Tear down the public school system and salt the earth.

    You think the vaccine is deadly? Public schools are stealing kids’ souls (and some parochial schools, too). What will it take for parents to protect their kids from the leftist toxin permeating schools?

    It’s a terrible tragedy and I’m sorry for everyone involved. But, every medical intervention carries some risk (living carries quite a bit of risk — you can tell because exactly no one makes it out of here alive) and some small portion may indeed respond poorly (and even die) to treatments that save many, many more lives.

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  9. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
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    Norm McDonald Had A Farm (View Comment):

    You want to inject me with something but you demand indemnification and immunity from prosecution as a condition of providing to me. You’ll pardon me if I believe you either have no confidence in what’s in the shot or have full confidence in what’s in the shot and know you need to be shielded from liability from the possible effects.

    Either way, that’s a hard no from me Dawg.

    That’s really it in a nutshell hell.

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  10. Stina Member
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    @CM

    EB (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):
    Tell us whose data is trustworthy.

    I’m not saying the family is lying. If they believe that the vaccine killed her they are not lying. And maybe the vaccine did affect her.

    But data is measurable. It is not someone’s opinion. There are certain criteria which must all be present to diagnose this condition. We don’t know from an obit whether this claim came from actual data or because her parents want something to blame.

    My comments were not meant to criticize the parents, but to caution taking an obituary as scientific fact.

    Yes you are. You consistently push that vaccines have no risk. You and MiMac are pretty darn close to ground zero of my complete distrust in all of this. Your pro-vaxx position is just as misleading as you claim anti-vaxxers are.

    It is absolutely ridiculous. Risk should be a choice. We should not be forced or compelled into accepting those risks, especially when the benefits are so questionable.

    But you keep doing you and I’ll keep ignoring you.

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  11. Stina Member
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    @CM

    EB (View Comment):

    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    EB (View Comment):

    This is the first I have heard about Jessica Berg Wilson, so I am not claiming any special knowledge.

    However, I would like to point out that an obituary is not an autopsy report. Obituaries are written by the families of the deceased and reflect their opinions and beliefs and emotions.

    Do you have reason to doubt their claim of VITT?

    The entire obituary is an emotional attack on the vaccine. They have lost their daughter – of course they are emotional. But does their claim have some validity? You can’t know without seeing actual data. Saying doesn’t make it so. It’s like a report on VAERS – it’s not actual data. It’s just someone’s story.

    Vaers IS data. It is unclean and raw and I analyzed data, but that is EXACTLY what it is – DATA.

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  12. Norm McDonald Had A Farm Inactive
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    @Pseudodionysius

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Mark Alexander (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Mark Alexander (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Mark Alexander (View Comment):
    When data is regarded as the ONLY measure for proof, we have exited the forum of reason and evidence.

    Huh?

     

    Evidence and reason comprise more than just hard data. Evaluating the credibility of authorities who offer data is critical, because in the end, who among us are allowed access to the data, especially in this matter?

    We must rely on the credibility of the authorities who offer that data, and we must make a case that does not rely on absolute statements, but on weighing better and worse arguments when interpreting that data.

    Thus we have to rely on “testimony.” Too many who dismiss out of hand “anecdotal evidence” accept the “anecdotal evidence” or testimony of their chosen authorities.

    When there is a series of reasonable questions regarding the credibility of relied-on authorities, you are on slippery ground to rely on their data.

    Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts. If that statement does not make sense to you, then I suggest you may be operating with a corrupt definition of science.

    I would like to like this five times. Once for each paragraph.

    Does this count as a relevant data point? If you don’t think so, dig in a little deeper and you may catch it…

    https://politikditto.net/2021/10/02/australia-premier-of-nsw-forced-to-resign-after-receiving-millions-from-pfizer-to-push-vaccine-laws/

    You mean other than the obvious? That her boyfriend was corrupt and the Melbourne lock-downs occurred while she was allegedly taking millions from Pfizer to lock-down Melbourne?

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  13. Mark Alexander Coolidge
    Mark Alexander
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    Mark Alexander (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Mark Alexander (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Mark Alexander (View Comment):
    When data is regarded as the ONLY measure for proof, we have exited the forum of reason and evidence.

    Huh?

     

    Evidence and reason comprise more than just hard data. Evaluating the credibility of authorities who offer data is critical, because in the end, who among us are allowed access to the data, especially in this matter?

    We must rely on the credibility of the authorities who offer that data, and we must make a case that does not rely on absolute statements, but on weighing better and worse arguments when interpreting that data.

    Thus we have to rely on “testimony.” Too many who dismiss out of hand “anecdotal evidence” accept the “anecdotal evidence” or testimony of their chosen authorities.

    When there is a series of reasonable questions regarding the credibility of relied-on authorities, you are on slippery ground to rely on their data.

    Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts. If that statement does not make sense to you, then I suggest you may be operating with a corrupt definition of science.

    I would like to like this five times. Once for each paragraph.

    Does this count as a relevant data point? If you don’t think so, dig in a little deeper and you may catch it…

    https://politikditto.net/2021/10/02/australia-premier-of-nsw-forced-to-resign-after-receiving-millions-from-pfizer-to-push-vaccine-laws/

    You mean other than the obvious? That her boyfriend was corrupt and the Melbourne lock-downs occurred while she was allegedly taking millions from Pfizer to lock-down Melbourne?

    That Pfizer is actively influencing authorities to corrupt the data raising a red flag on these vaccines.

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  14. Bob Thompson Member
    Bob Thompson
    @BobThompson

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):
    It seems to be some type of mass hypnotic trance that has descended on people so they no longer reason.

    This quasi-hypnotic trance is nothing new. It has been very apparent for more than 4 years.

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  15. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot) Member
    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot)
    @ArizonaPatriot

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    EB (View Comment):
    The entire obituary is an emotional attack on the vaccine. They have lost their daughter – of course they are emotional. But does their claim have some validity? You can’t know without seeing actual data. Saying doesn’t make it so. It’s like a report on VAERS – it’s not actual data. It’s just someone’s story.

    The injections are harming and sometimes killing people. They serve no benefit. How many more victim, nurse, doctor, and researcher testimonies do the vaxx apologists need before they admit this?

    I don’t think that you’re correct in claiming that the vaccines serve no benefit.

    I did a post a few weeks ago on the point, estimating that 24,000 to 30,000 Americans died in the month before 9/11 this year because they were unvaccinated.  This was based on a study concluding that vaccination reduces the risk of death by a factor of 11.3.

    In the comments, @davidfoster linked to an analysis of recent Israeli data, which involved severe illness rather than death, which found that the severe illness rate was reduced by 90%-96% by vaccination, with some variability by age group.

    There is other data which I’m not going to hunt down or link, including the initial studies on the efficacy of the various vaccines.  I conclude that there is ample evidence that the vaccines are very effective, but not perfectly effective.

    So I think that denying any efficacy is incorrect.

    In a rational analysis, I think, such efficacy would need to be balanced against the risk presented by the vaccines themselves.  I haven’t seen any convincing data of a significant risk, but this is a harder issue to study, and some small levels of risk have been reported.  The risk might be quite a bit higher, if the authorities are doing a poor job in monitoring the situation.

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  16. Stina Member
    Stina
    @CM

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    In a rational analysis, I think, such efficacy would need to be balanced against the risk presented by the vaccines themselves.  I haven’t seen any convincing data of a significant risk, but this is a harder issue to study, and some small levels of risk have been reported.  The risk might be quite a bit higher, if the authorities are doing a poor job in monitoring the situation.

    A qualified like for this part. The vaccines have limited benefit once fully “immune”. Anything between first shot and that point is a black box lumped in with unvaccinated numbers.

    We do not know the actual risk, it may be higher than reported, government lies and is corruptible, and not everyone carries the same risks from Covid.

    on a related, but side note – that “all cause mortality” study that should have been morbidity raised some interesting thoughts – if the risk of severe outcome is really small, people will be more willing to accept that risk over a very high risk for somewhat less severe outcomes. The Data supplied to the FDA for approval demonstrated the vaccines have a very high risk for severe outcomes less severe than death while the placebo group had a very low risk of death (while still being higher risk than the vaccinated group).

    That is going to affect people’s choices. Which is why that data is being buried under data manipulation and shoddy reporting.

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  17. Bob Thompson Member
    Bob Thompson
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    In a rational analysis, I think, such efficacy would need to be balanced against the risk presented by the vaccines themselves.  I haven’t seen any convincing data of a significant risk, but this is a harder issue to study, and some small levels of risk have been reported.  The risk might be quite a bit higher, if the authorities are doing a poor job in monitoring the situation.

    Wow! You really went milk-toast here. Based on how you have addressed risks, one would think all research deemed needed has been accomplished and there is no issue related to vaccine risks. Is it your opinion that our federal medically-related agencies, FDA, CDC, and NIH are to be commended for the work they are doing?

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  18. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot) Member
    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot)
    @ArizonaPatriot

    I’m struck by the similarity of the situation involving claims of death from Covid vaccination and claims of wrongful police killings of black men promoted by BLM-types.

    There is a difference, in my view.  I think that there is plenty of empirical evidence demonstrating that there is not a widespread problem involving unjustified police killings of black men.  The data on the risks of the Covid vaccines is much less reliable, so it’s hard to draw a reliable conclusion.

    What I observe, though, is that the methodology and issues presented are the same.  In the classic BLM case, there is a claim of a single incident in which someone claims that a black man was unjustifiably killed by police.  This presents two issues: (1) is the particular claim true? (2) If true, is this a rare and unusual incident or a widespread problem?

    The same applies to a claim of a vaccine-related death, like the death of Jessica Berg Wilson reported in the OP.  The claim in the obituary, apparently by her family, that she died from an adverse vaccine reaction may be true, or may not.  Even if true, this would not resolve the issue of whether this is a rare or unusual incident or a widespread problem.

    I assume that the CDC, and perhaps other authorities, are monitoring the situation, but I have no idea whether they are doing a good job of it.  I do recall that one of the vaccines — the J&J, I think — was halted for a period of time due to concerns with a particular side effect, which is an indication that there was monitoring going on at that time.

    It may be difficult to detect problems from the vaccine.  According to CDC (here), about 215 million Americans have received at least one vaccine dose.  Also according to CDC (here), about 659,000 Americans die each year from heart disease.  If the vaccines caused, say, 13,000 deaths from heart attack over a year, that would only be a 2% increase in heart disease deaths.  This might be very difficult to detect.

    To conclude with my main point: specific reports of adverse vaccine reactions aren’t really helpful in evaluating the vaccines.  Such reports may or may not be true, and even if true, may or may not be rare.  The true risk of the vaccines is difficult to determine.

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  19. Stad Coolidge
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    EB (View Comment):

    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    EB (View Comment):

    This is the first I have heard about Jessica Berg Wilson, so I am not claiming any special knowledge.

    However, I would like to point out that an obituary is not an autopsy report. Obituaries are written by the families of the deceased and reflect their opinions and beliefs and emotions.

    Do you have reason to doubt their claim of VITT?

    The entire obituary is an emotional attack on the vaccine. They have lost their daughter – of course they are emotional. But does their claim have some validity? You can’t know without seeing actual data. Saying doesn’t make it so. It’s like a report on VAERS – it’s not actual data. It’s just someone’s story.

    What is reported as data today is also just someone’s story. Tell us whose data is trustworthy.

    There’s no set number, but when anecdotes start to pile up, there has to be some kind of threshold that makes people say, “Maybe there is something going on.”

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  20. Bob Thompson Member
    Bob Thompson
    @BobThompson

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I’m struck by the similarity of the situation involving claims of death from Covid vaccination and claims of wrongful police killings of black men promoted by BLM-types.

    There is a difference, in my view. I think that there is plenty of empirical evidence demonstrating that there is not a widespread problem involving unjustified police killings of black men. The data on the risks of the Covid vaccines is much less reliable, so it’s hard to draw a reliable conclusion.

    What I observe, though, is that the methodology and issues presented are the same. In the classic BLM case, there is a claim of a single incident in which someone claims that a black man was unjustifiably killed by police. This presents two issues: (1) is the particular claim true? (2) If true, is this a rare and unusual incident or a widespread problem?

    The same applies to a claim of a vaccine-related death, like the death of Jessica Berg Wilson reported in the OP. The claim in the obituary, apparently by her family, that she died from an adverse vaccine reaction may be true, or may not. Even if true, this would not resolve the issue of whether this is a rare or unusual incident or a widespread problem.

    I assume that the CDC, and perhaps other authorities, are monitoring the situation, but I have no idea whether they are doing a good job of it. I do recall that one of the vaccines — the J&J, I think — was halted for a period of time due to concerns with a particular side effect, which is an indication that there was monitoring going on at that time.

    It may be difficult to detect problems from the vaccine. According to CDC (here), about 215 million Americans have received at least one vaccine dose. Also according to CDC (here), about 659,000 Americans die each year from heart disease. If the vaccines caused, say, 13,000 deaths from heart attack over a year, that would only be a 2% increase in heart disease deaths. This might be very difficult to detect.

    To conclude with my main point: specific reports of adverse vaccine reactions aren’t really helpful in evaluating the vaccines. Such reports may or may not be true, and even if true, may or may not be rare. The true risk of the vaccines is difficult to determine.

    Two totally unnecessary things are complicating all discussion regarding getting to the answers you are addressing: the vaccine mandate and acts like Twitter’s in this post declaring someone’s unsubstantiated view as misinformation (this leads one to believe that common people are incapable of analyzing information which seems to be the view of our government).

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  21. D.A. Venters Inactive
    D.A. Venters
    @DAVenters

    Is the Right drifting into a whole-hog anti-vaccine position?  Or is it just anti-mandate?  It’s getting hard to tell.

    I can be on board with the latter, but the former seems like an unwise position for all kinds of reasons, not all of them political.   

     

     

     

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  22. Stina Member
    Stina
    @CM

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

    Is the Right drifting into a whole-hog anti-vaccine position? Or is it just anti-mandate? It’s getting hard to tell.

    I can be on board with the latter, but the former seems like an unwise position for all kinds of reasons, not all of them political.

     

     

     

    Anti-mandate. The distrust of government has always been an aspect of the right and what you consider anti-vax is no more than distrust of government (and establishment experts) pushed to the extreme (due to poor behavior by experts and government) applied to the very narrow topic of COVID mRNA vaccines.

    To extrapolate beyond that narrow situation would be doing a huge disservice to the people holding out on the right.

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  23. Front Seat Cat Member
    Front Seat Cat
    @FrontSeatCat

    This is from Mercola today:

    • September 29, 2021, YouTube banned and deleted our channel, and the channels of several others, including Robert F. Kennedy Jr., for violating the community guidelines they implemented that morning, despite having no warnings or violations this entire year
    • Earlier that day, September 29, YouTube updated its community guidelines with an expansion of its already existing policy on medical misinformation. Whereas before the policy had focused on alleged misinformation relating specifically to the COVID shots, the expanded policy now includes ALL vaccines
    • It’s a deviously brilliant move. Just change the rules to match the (previously compliant) content of the individuals you want to remove, and provide users no time to remain in compliance
    • The Washington Post, which broke the story, clearly had foreknowledge that the updated rules would result in our channel being deleted and censored
    • This is a blatant illustration of how government, technocrat-led nongovernmental organizations, social media platforms and media collude and coordinate attacks to censor people and organizations with whom they do not agree, or who pose a threat to their propaganda narrative.

    https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/10/04/youtube-changes-policy-bans-mercola.aspx?ui=0b10245d59396dacb0f0af0ff78a12084fe3d3e6878dfccc168ac133cbe2726b&sd=20200212&cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art1ReadMore&cid=20211004&mid=DM1009883&rid=1283137387

     

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  24. Taras Coolidge
    Taras
    @Taras

    Mark Alexander (View Comment):

    Does this count as a data point?

    To be a data point, it has to contain data.  

    Presumably data would be brought forward in such a hypothetical (and extremely improbable) debate with “lying scumbag” Anthony Fauci.

    This reminds me of an open letter to then-New York City Mayor Abe Beame from a woman handing out flyers on the street near Columbia University.  It began:  “Jew Abraham Beame, why have you not answered my letters?“

    My little brother took a flyer out of curiosity, and almost fell over from laughing so hard!

     

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  25. Vince Guerra Inactive
    Vince Guerra
    @VinceGuerra

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    I did a post a few weeks ago on the point, estimating that 24,000 to 30,000 Americans died in the month before 9/11 this year because they were unvaccinated.  This was based on a study concluding that vaccination reduces the risk of death by a factor of 11.3.

    All of the numbers are politically skewed, from the original spring 2020 Covid infection rates based off of bad tests and fraudulent reporting, to the inflated death rates that followed, to the vaccine related death reporting (if you die within 14 days of getting the vaccine you’re considered un-vaccinated), to the censorship of vaccine related injury. The numbers are useless because they’ve been rendered meaningless. All we have now that is untainted are the real world experiences of those who’ve lived the horror – like the Wilson family – and enough of them (and thousands of medical professionals)  are screaming to anyone who will listen. To ignore them now can only be attributed to willful ignorance or intentional disregard.  

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  26. MarciN Member
    MarciN
    @MarciN

    Mark Alexander (View Comment):

    Does this count as a data point?

    I understand the point here, but I know that Moderna and others working on the covid-19 problem–in the same Boston that Dr. Ayyadurai lives and works in–have differing opinions. I respect his work and expertise and his opinions, but not to the exclusion of other people in his field.

    There are a lot of PhDs in immunology running around the country’s major universities, and each one has his or her own unique set of opinions on every subject. :-) In other words, his credentials alone do not make him right or wrong. :-)

    I do not support the vaccine mandates in any way.

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  27. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot) Member
    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot)
    @ArizonaPatriot

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    I did a post a few weeks ago on the point, estimating that 24,000 to 30,000 Americans died in the month before 9/11 this year because they were unvaccinated. This was based on a study concluding that vaccination reduces the risk of death by a factor of 11.3.

    All of the numbers are politically skewed, from the original spring 2020 Covid infection rates based off of bad tests and fraudulent reporting, to the inflated death rates that followed, to the vaccine related death reporting (if you die within 14 days of getting the vaccine you’re considered un-vaccinated), to the censorship of vaccine related injury. The numbers are useless because they’ve been rendered meaningless. All we have now that is untainted are the real world experiences of those who’ve lived the horror – like the Wilson family – and enough of them (and thousands of medical professionals) are screaming to anyone who will listen. To ignore them now can only be attributed to willful ignorance or intentional disregard.

    I think that you are incorrect, but I don’t know how either of us could know for sure.

    What cannot be disputed, in my view, is that your argument conforms precisely to the methodology of the argument made by BLM advocates, swapping out “black men killed by cops” for “Covid deaths.”  You claim that all sources of information that do not support your position are flawed and useless.  You rely entirely on “lived experience” of people making anecdotal reports.  You have not quantified the number of negative situations in any meaningful way.  (I realize that it is very difficult to perform any such quantification, in the absence of widespread data collection that is beyond the scope of what an ordinary person like you or me would be able to accomplish.)

    You then impugn anyone who disagrees with your view.

    You may turn out to be correct.  Personally, I doubt it.  

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  28. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot) Member
    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot)
    @ArizonaPatriot

    I did have a thought relevant to this issue, while driving to work this morning.

    It is possible that there is a breakdown in the public health bureaucracy, which we rely upon to monitor negative vaccine responses.  This could cause their reporting to be inaccurate.  Is there a market mechanism that might correct this?

    The thing that came to mind is this: Pfizer has a pretty strong financial incentive to find a problem with the Moderna vaccine, and vice versa.  If Pfizer could demonstrate that it’s vaccine is safer or more effective than its competitor, I would think that this would significantly increase sales of the Pfizer vaccine.  Again, and vice versa, as I don’t want to pick on any particular company, but merely to note their incentives.

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  29. Bob Thompson Member
    Bob Thompson
    @BobThompson

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    I did a post a few weeks ago on the point, estimating that 24,000 to 30,000 Americans died in the month before 9/11 this year because they were unvaccinated. This was based on a study concluding that vaccination reduces the risk of death by a factor of 11.3.

    All of the numbers are politically skewed, from the original spring 2020 Covid infection rates based off of bad tests and fraudulent reporting, to the inflated death rates that followed, to the vaccine related death reporting (if you die within 14 days of getting the vaccine you’re considered un-vaccinated), to the censorship of vaccine related injury. The numbers are useless because they’ve been rendered meaningless. All we have now that is untainted are the real world experiences of those who’ve lived the horror – like the Wilson family – and enough of them (and thousands of medical professionals) are screaming to anyone who will listen. To ignore them now can only be attributed to willful ignorance or intentional disregard.

    This is what I said in #8:

    What is reported as data today is also just someone’s story. Tell us whose data is trustworthy.

    No official government data is trustworthy today.

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  30. Vince Guerra Inactive
    Vince Guerra
    @VinceGuerra

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    What cannot be disputed, in my view, is that your argument conforms precisely to the methodology of the argument made by BLM advocates, swapping out “black men killed by cops” for “Covid deaths.” 

    Hardly. The definition of “unvaccinated” is not an intangible based on oral history, it’s written in their policy. The failure rate of the tests is well documented by even MSM reporting. The fact that Covid numbers were driven by monetary compensation was/is a scandal many have covered in great detail.
      

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