A Young Woman Dies After a COVID Vaccine; Twitter Labels Her Obituary ‘Misleading’

 

Jessica Berg Wilson’s obituary describes her as “an exceptionally healthy and vibrant 37-year-old young mother with no underlying health conditions” who “died unexpectedly on Sep. 7 from COVID-19 Vaccine-Induced Thrombotic Thrombocytopenia (VITT).”

The obituary continues:

Jessica fully embraced motherhood, sharing her passion for life with her daughters. Jessica’s motherly commitment was intense, with unwavering determination to nurture her children to be confident, humble, responsible, and to have concern and compassion for others with high morals built on Faith.

Jessica’s greatest passion was to be the best mother possible for Bridget and Clara. Nothing would stand in her way to be present in their lives. During the last weeks of her life, however, the world turned dark with heavy-handed vaccine mandates. Local and state governments were determined to strip away her right to consult her wisdom and enjoy her freedom. She had been vehemently opposed to taking the vaccine, knowing she was in good health and of a young age and thus not at risk for serious illness. In her mind, the known and unknown risks of the unproven vaccine were more of a threat. But, slowly, day by day, her freedom to choose was stripped away. Her passion to be actively involved in her children’s education—which included being a Room Mom—was, once again, blocked by government mandate. Ultimately, those who closed doors and separated mothers from their children prevailed.

It cost Jessica her life. It cost her children the loving embrace of their caring mother. And it cost her husband the sacred love of his devoted wife. It cost God’s Kingdom on earth a very special soul who was just making her love felt in the hearts of so many.

This very sad story was made even worse by the Twitter Police.

When a Twitter user posted this young woman’s obituary, adding in the caption that she had not wanted to get vaccinated, the post was slapped with a warning label. It read: “This Tweet is misleading. Find out why health officials consider COVID-19 vaccines safe for most people.” It provided a link so users could “find out more.” The message also said, “This Tweet can’t be replied to, shared or liked.”

Here is a screenshot of the Twitter warning label.

This is what pops up if you click on the retweet button.

Misleading? A healthy young woman, who believed that the vaccine posed a greater risk to her health than contracting the virus itself, was required to comply with the school’s vaccine requirement for visitors if she wanted to be involved in her children’s classrooms.

She took the vaccine and was one of the unlucky ones. I am not anti-vax, but these vaccines do come with a risk. And no one should be forced into submission.

This is tyranny and it’s hard to imagine this is happening in America.

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  1. Flicker Coolidge
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    Mark Alexander (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Mark Alexander (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Mark Alexander (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Mark Alexander (View Comment):
    When data is regarded as the ONLY measure for proof, we have exited the forum of reason and evidence.

    Huh?

     

    Evidence and reason comprise more than just hard data. Evaluating the credibility of authorities who offer data is critical, because in the end, who among us are allowed access to the data, especially in this matter?

    We must rely on the credibility of the authorities who offer that data, and we must make a case that does not rely on absolute statements, but on weighing better and worse arguments when interpreting that data.

    Thus we have to rely on “testimony.” Too many who dismiss out of hand “anecdotal evidence” accept the “anecdotal evidence” or testimony of their chosen authorities.

    When there is a series of reasonable questions regarding the credibility of relied-on authorities, you are on slippery ground to rely on their data.

    Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts. If that statement does not make sense to you, then I suggest you may be operating with a corrupt definition of science.

    I would like to like this five times. Once for each paragraph.

    Does this count as a relevant data point? If you don’t think so, dig in a little deeper and you may catch it…

    https://politikditto.net/2021/10/02/australia-premier-of-nsw-forced-to-resign-after-receiving-millions-from-pfizer-to-push-vaccine-laws/

    You mean other than the obvious? That her boyfriend was corrupt and the Melbourne lock-downs occurred while she was allegedly taking millions from Pfizer to lock-down Melbourne?

    That Pfizer is actively influencing authorities to corrupt the data raising a red flag on these vaccines.

    Yeah, I accept that as a given.  Do you have a link to Pfizer paying her off?

    • #61
  2. Flicker Coolidge
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    Stina (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    In a rational analysis, I think, such efficacy would need to be balanced against the risk presented by the vaccines themselves. I haven’t seen any convincing data of a significant risk, but this is a harder issue to study, and some small levels of risk have been reported. The risk might be quite a bit higher, if the authorities are doing a poor job in monitoring the situation.

    A qualified like for this part. The vaccines have limited benefit once fully “immune”. Anything between first shot and that point is a black box lumped in with unvaccinated numbers.

    We do not know the actual risk, it may be higher than reported, government lies and is corruptible, and not everyone carries the same risks from Covid.

    on a related, but side note – that “all cause mortality” study that should have been morbidity raised some interesting thoughts – if the risk of severe outcome is really small, people will be more willing to accept that risk over a very high risk for somewhat less severe outcomes. The Data supplied to the FDA for approval demonstrated the vaccines have a very high risk for severe outcomes less severe than death while the placebo group had a very low risk of death (while still being higher risk than the vaccinated group).

    That is going to affect people’s choices. Which is why that data is being buried under data manipulation and shoddy reporting.

    Here is a bit from CTH,  The deaths from the third shot are worse than after the second.

    In the U.K. data study there were:

    157,400 Delta variant cases amid the fully vaccinated (26.52% of total cases), and 257,357 Delta variant cases amid the unvaccinated (43.36% of total cases).  However, when it came to severe outcomes 63.5% of deaths were from the fully vaccinated group.  [source]

    And more than double the deaths from the unvaccinated.

    • #62
  3. Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Democracy) Coolidge
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    Mark Alexander (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Mark Alexander (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Mark Alexander (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Mark Alexander (View Comment):
    When data is regarded as the ONLY measure for proof, we have exited the forum of reason and evidence.

    Huh?

     

    Evidence and reason comprise more than just hard data. Evaluating the credibility of authorities who offer data is critical, because in the end, who among us are allowed access to the data, especially in this matter?

    We must rely on the credibility of the authorities who offer that data, and we must make a case that does not rely on absolute statements, but on weighing better and worse arguments when interpreting that data.

    Thus we have to rely on “testimony.” Too many who dismiss out of hand “anecdotal evidence” accept the “anecdotal evidence” or testimony of their chosen authorities.

    When there is a series of reasonable questions regarding the credibility of relied-on authorities, you are on slippery ground to rely on their data.

    Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts. If that statement does not make sense to you, then I suggest you may be operating with a corrupt definition of science.

    I would like to like this five times. Once for each paragraph.

    Does this count as a relevant data point? If you don’t think so, dig in a little deeper and you may catch it…

    https://politikditto.net/2021/10/02/australia-premier-of-nsw-forced-to-resign-after-receiving-millions-from-pfizer-to-push-vaccine-laws/

    You mean other than the obvious? That her boyfriend was corrupt and the Melbourne lock-downs occurred while she was allegedly taking millions from Pfizer to lock-down Melbourne?

    That Pfizer is actively influencing authorities to corrupt the data raising a red flag on these vaccines.

    Huh?  I read the linked article.  Other than the headline there is nothing in the article itself referencing Pfizer and I’ve been unable to find any references to Pfizer in any of the other coverage of the premier’s resignation which is apparently connected to an investigation of activities occurring between 2012 and 2018.

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  4. Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Democracy) Coolidge
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    In a rational analysis, I think, such efficacy would need to be balanced against the risk presented by the vaccines themselves. I haven’t seen any convincing data of a significant risk, but this is a harder issue to study, and some small levels of risk have been reported. The risk might be quite a bit higher, if the authorities are doing a poor job in monitoring the situation.

    A qualified like for this part. The vaccines have limited benefit once fully “immune”. Anything between first shot and that point is a black box lumped in with unvaccinated numbers.

    We do not know the actual risk, it may be higher than reported, government lies and is corruptible, and not everyone carries the same risks from Covid.

    on a related, but side note – that “all cause mortality” study that should have been morbidity raised some interesting thoughts – if the risk of severe outcome is really small, people will be more willing to accept that risk over a very high risk for somewhat less severe outcomes. The Data supplied to the FDA for approval demonstrated the vaccines have a very high risk for severe outcomes less severe than death while the placebo group had a very low risk of death (while still being higher risk than the vaccinated group).

    That is going to affect people’s choices. Which is why that data is being buried under data manipulation and shoddy reporting.

    Here is a bit from CTH, The deaths from the third shot are worse than after the second.

    In the U.K. data study there were:

    157,400 Delta variant cases amid the fully vaccinated (26.52% of total cases), and 257,357 Delta variant cases amid the unvaccinated (43.36% of total cases). However, when it came to severe outcomes 63.5% of deaths were from the fully vaccinated group. [source]

    And more than double the deaths from the unvaccinated.

    The problem with this analysis is that it does not use death rates based upon vaccination rates by age.  In the UK those older than 50 have a vaccination rate of 94%, so all non-vaccinated deaths come from the remaining 6%.  When you calculate death rates it turns out they are 6X higher in the unvaccinated.  Between 25-49, about 76% of those are vaccinated and so the death rate is 8X for the unvaccinated.

    Throughout all the controversies about covid there has been a tendency for both sides to use rates or absolute numbers, whichever is most convenient for the argument they want to make at that time.

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  5. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I did have a thought relevant to this issue, while driving to work this morning.

    It is possible that there is a breakdown in the public health bureaucracy, which we rely upon to monitor negative vaccine responses. This could cause their reporting to be inaccurate. Is there a market mechanism that might correct this?

    The thing that came to mind is this: Pfizer has a pretty strong financial incentive to find a problem with the Moderna vaccine, and vice versa. If Pfizer could demonstrate that it’s vaccine is safer or more effective than its competitor, I would think that this would significantly increase sales of the Pfizer vaccine. Again, and vice versa, as I don’t want to pick on any particular company, but merely to note their incentives.

    Is anyone paying out of pocket for their doses of the vaxx?  

    • #65
  6. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
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    Norm McDonald Had A Farm (View Comment):

    You want to inject me with something but you demand indemnification and immunity from prosecution as a condition of providing to me. You’ll pardon me if I believe you either have no confidence in what’s in the shot or have full confidence in what’s in the shot and know you need to be shielded from liability from the possible effects.

    Either way, that’s a hard no from me Dawg.

    We who understand the pointlessness and the dangers of these vaccines are told to shut the F up and to quit being selfish.

    Apparently it is not enough that over 14,000 people have already become fatalities over a virus with a 99.053% survival rate for people who are active and have healthy immune systems. And perhaps they died without realizing the vaccines do not stop break through cases of COVID and do not prevent transmission, so then these injections  really and truly are not vaccines.

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  7. D.A. Venters Inactive
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    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    What cannot be disputed, in my view, is that your argument conforms precisely to the methodology of the argument made by BLM advocates, swapping out “black men killed by cops” for “Covid deaths.”

    Hardly. The definition of “unvaccinated” is not an intangible based on oral history, it’s written in their policy. The failure rate of the tests is well documented by even MSM reporting. The fact that Covid numbers were driven by monetary compensation was/is a scandal many have covered in great detail.

    That definition is based on the fact that it takes a couple of weeks for the vaccine to work.  It doesn’t instantly protect you.  So, a person shouldn’t be considered “vaccinated” until then. 

    As I understand it, the vaers data includes events that occur any time after the 1st shot, since that is focused on reactions to the shot, and not effectiveness of the vaccine. 

    But, on the more broad topic of who is credible in this analysis – consider how many people have gotten vaccinated in the US.  It’s an enormous number – 185,000,000+ who have gotten both shots, well over half the adult population.  If the vaccines were causing health issues in any significant percentage of people, there is no way it could be hidden.  We would all be hearing about it all the time from friends, family, etc.. Just like we hear all the time about people within in varying degrees of separation dying or having serious issues from covid infections.   But I never hear about people who’ve been hurt by the vaccines.

    I understand experiences will vary from person to person, but again, with the number of people who have taken the vaccine, I have to think my experience is a common one.  So, if someone is trying to convince me that the vaccine risk is significant, and there’s been some kind of coverup of the harm it’s causing, it’s a tough row to hoe.  It’s going to require extraordinary evidence.    

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  8. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
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    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    The thing that came to mind is this: Pfizer has a pretty strong financial incentive to find a problem with the Moderna vaccine, and vice versa. If Pfizer could demonstrate that it’s vaccine is safer or more effective than its competitor, I would think that this would significantly increase sales of the Pfizer vaccine. Again, and vice versa, as I don’t want to pick on any particular company, but merely to note their incentives.

    Is anyone paying out of pocket for their doses of the vaxx?

    Exactly.

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  9. Bob Thompson Member
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    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    What cannot be disputed, in my view, is that your argument conforms precisely to the methodology of the argument made by BLM advocates, swapping out “black men killed by cops” for “Covid deaths.”

    Hardly. The definition of “unvaccinated” is not an intangible based on oral history, it’s written in their policy. The failure rate of the tests is well documented by even MSM reporting. The fact that Covid numbers were driven by monetary compensation was/is a scandal many have covered in great detail.

    That definition is based on the fact that it takes a couple of weeks for the vaccine to work. It doesn’t instantly protect you. So, a person shouldn’t be considered “vaccinated” until then.

    As I understand it, the vaers data includes events that occur any time after the 1st shot, since that is focused on reactions to the shot, and not effectiveness of the vaccine.

    But, on the more broad topic of who is credible in this analysis – consider how many people have gotten vaccinated in the US. It’s an enormous number – 185,000,000+ who have gotten both shots, well over half the adult population. If the vaccines were causing health issues in any significant percentage of people, there is no way it could be hidden. We would all be hearing about it all the time from friends, family, etc.. Just like we hear all the time about people within in varying degrees of separation dying or having serious issues from covid infections. But I never hear about people who’ve been hurt by the vaccines.

    I understand experiences will vary from person to person, but again, with the number of people who have taken the vaccine, I have to think my experience is a common one. So, if someone is trying to convince me that the vaccine risk is significant, and there’s been some kind of coverup of the harm it’s causing, it’s a tough row to hoe. It’s going to require extraordinary evidence.

    That’s not how we do it here in America. Isn’t the argument you are hearing that the vaccines have not been tested adequately for safety the same as the argument put forth by government that the efficacy of HCQ and Ivermectin for Covid treatment has not been confirmed by research. 

    • #69
  10. EB Thatcher
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    Stina (View Comment):
    Yes you are. You consistently push that vaccines have no risk.

    No, what I ask is for people to show actual data that the vaccine is “killing and maiming people.” @cm   What I consistently get from you and others who are opposed to the vaccine are anecdotal evidence, VAERS reports, and unbelievable mishmashes of claims that the vaccine has killed 6,000, 35,000 or whatever this week’s figure is.

    I have never said that the vaccine has no risk.  You can’t say that about anything in this world.

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  11. D.A. Venters Inactive
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    What cannot be disputed, in my view, is that your argument conforms precisely to the methodology of the argument made by BLM advocates, swapping out “black men killed by cops” for “Covid deaths.”

    Hardly. The definition of “unvaccinated” is not an intangible based on oral history, it’s written in their policy. The failure rate of the tests is well documented by even MSM reporting. The fact that Covid numbers were driven by monetary compensation was/is a scandal many have covered in great detail.

    That definition is based on the fact that it takes a couple of weeks for the vaccine to work. It doesn’t instantly protect you. So, a person shouldn’t be considered “vaccinated” until then.

    As I understand it, the vaers data includes events that occur any time after the 1st shot, since that is focused on reactions to the shot, and not effectiveness of the vaccine.

    But, on the more broad topic of who is credible in this analysis – consider how many people have gotten vaccinated in the US. It’s an enormous number – 185,000,000+ who have gotten both shots, well over half the adult population. If the vaccines were causing health issues in any significant percentage of people, there is no way it could be hidden. We would all be hearing about it all the time from friends, family, etc.. Just like we hear all the time about people within in varying degrees of separation dying or having serious issues from covid infections. But I never hear about people who’ve been hurt by the vaccines.

    I understand experiences will vary from person to person, but again, with the number of people who have taken the vaccine, I have to think my experience is a common one. So, if someone is trying to convince me that the vaccine risk is significant, and there’s been some kind of coverup of the harm it’s causing, it’s a tough row to hoe. It’s going to require extraordinary evidence.

    That’s not how we do it here in America. Isn’t the argument you are hearing that the vaccines have not been tested adequately for safety the same as the argument put forth by government that the efficacy of HCQ and Ivermectin for Covid treatment has not been confirmed by research.

    When 185,000,000 people take HCQ and Ivermectin over the course of a few months, and I hear of virtually no one having any problem with them, I’ll give them the same thumb’s up I give the vaccine.  Not sure what else you’re looking for, here. 

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  12. Stina Member
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    D.A. Venters (View Comment):
    When 185,000,000 people take HCQ and Ivermectin over the course of a few months, and I hear of virtually no one having any problem with them, I’ll give them the same thumb’s up I give the vaccine.  Not sure what else you’re looking for, here. 

    As long as the MSM doesn’t report on bad vaccine reactions, they aren’t happening. That’s a nifty world you live in.

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  13. EB Thatcher
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    Stina (View Comment):
    Vaers IS data. It is unclean and raw and I analyzed data, but that is EXACTLY what it is – DATA.

    No, it’s whatever some person* puts on there.  It is not verified because it really can’t be verified.  Anybody can put anything on VAERS.  And don’t tell me that people (on both sides of that fence) don’t put up reports that bolster their position.  That is why no one should make decisions about their own health based on VAERS.

     

    * That person could be a doctor, your neighbor down the street, a virulent anti-vaxxer, a vaccine skeptic, a vaccine supporter, your crazy third cousin who likes to get attention, etc. 

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  14. D.A. Venters Inactive
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    Stina (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):
    When 185,000,000 people take HCQ and Ivermectin over the course of a few months, and I hear of virtually no one having any problem with them, I’ll give them the same thumb’s up I give the vaccine. Not sure what else you’re looking for, here.

    As long as the MSM doesn’t report on bad vaccine reactions, they aren’t happening. That’s a nifty world you live in.

    I’m not talking about MSM reports.  I think you are missing my point, and maybe I have worded it poorly.  Again, well over 185,000,000 Americans have taken the vaccine (over 200,000,000 have at least one shot).  That includes the majority, and maybe a strong majority of the adults I know and who are within a few degrees of separation of me.  Statistically, the same must be true for most people.  If there were significant numbers of people suffering significant reactions, strong enough to render the vaccine generally unsafe, we would not need any MSM report to know it.  We would know it because we would be hearing about it from friends and family all the time.  The hospitals and urgent care clinics and doctor’s offices would be full of people having reactions.  That information could not possibly be hidden.

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  15. Miffed White Male Member
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    Stina (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):
    When 185,000,000 people take HCQ and Ivermectin over the course of a few months, and I hear of virtually no one having any problem with them, I’ll give them the same thumb’s up I give the vaccine. Not sure what else you’re looking for, here.

    As long as the MSM doesn’t report on bad vaccine reactions, they aren’t happening. That’s a nifty world you live in.

    That’s not even close to what he said.  

    If tens of thousands of people were being killed by the Vaccine, most of us would personally know someone who had died, whether it got reported in the media or not.

    I personally know of several people who’ve died of Covid.  I’m not aware of anyone who had more than an afternoon of feeling “off” after getting vaccinated.

     

     

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  16. Stina Member
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    EB (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):
    Vaers IS data. It is unclean and raw and I analyzed data, but that is EXACTLY what it is – DATA.

    No, it’s whatever some person* puts on there. It is not verified because it really can’t be verified. Anybody can put anything on VAERS. And don’t tell me that people (on both sides of that fence) don’t put up reports that bolster their position. That is why no one should make decisions about their own health based on VAERS.

     

    * That person could be a doctor, your neighbor down the street, a virulent anti-vaxxer, a vaccine skeptic, a vaccine supporter, your crazy third cousin who likes to get attention, etc.

    And anyone can report a Covid death, too.

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  17. Stina Member
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    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):
    When 185,000,000 people take HCQ and Ivermectin over the course of a few months, and I hear of virtually no one having any problem with them, I’ll give them the same thumb’s up I give the vaccine. Not sure what else you’re looking for, here.

    As long as the MSM doesn’t report on bad vaccine reactions, they aren’t happening. That’s a nifty world you live in.

    I’m not talking about MSM reports. I think you are missing my point, and maybe I have worded it poorly. Again, well over 185,000,000 Americans have taken the vaccine (over 200,000,000 have at least one shot). That includes the majority, and maybe a strong majority of the adults I know and who are within a few degrees of separation of me. Statistically, the same must be true for most people. If there were significant numbers of people suffering significant reactions, strong enough to render the vaccine generally unsafe, we would not need any MSM report to know it. We would know it because we would be hearing about it from friends and family all the time. The hospitals and urgent care clinics and doctor’s offices would be full of people having reactions. That information could not possibly be hidden.

    My point is you don’t know how many adverse reactions there are because no one is reporting on them! The FDA report* showed far more serious events in the vaccinated groups than in the placebo groups. There are adverse events. But no one is collecting those statistics or reporting them to the public. There is no info because no one is looking into it. And yes, I fully expect them to bury inconvenient information after Hunter’s laptop and the Lab origin theory.

    They are not honest. And you just trust them.

    *The data was collated into a single report and shared in a post by Pseudo (norm) in the post on “all mortality”. The name should be changed and the analysis is off, but the numbers exist and are clean as that’s what the vaccine manufacturers provided to the FDA for approval.

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  18. Stina Member
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):
    When 185,000,000 people take HCQ and Ivermectin over the course of a few months, and I hear of virtually no one having any problem with them, I’ll give them the same thumb’s up I give the vaccine. Not sure what else you’re looking for, here.

    As long as the MSM doesn’t report on bad vaccine reactions, they aren’t happening. That’s a nifty world you live in.

    That’s not even close to what he said.

    If tens of thousands of people were being killed by the Vaccine, most of us would personally know someone who had died, whether it got reported in the media or not.

    I personally know of several people who’ve died of Covid. I’m not aware of anyone who had more than an afternoon of feeling “off” after getting vaccinated.

     

     

    But personal stories aren’t data. Do see the OP. We are hearing about them. We just dismiss them.

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  19. Stina Member
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    Oh. And I personally know no one who has died from COVID. That must mean no one has died of COVID.

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  20. D.A. Venters Inactive
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    Stina (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):
    When 185,000,000 people take HCQ and Ivermectin over the course of a few months, and I hear of virtually no one having any problem with them, I’ll give them the same thumb’s up I give the vaccine. Not sure what else you’re looking for, here.

    As long as the MSM doesn’t report on bad vaccine reactions, they aren’t happening. That’s a nifty world you live in.

    I’m not talking about MSM reports. I think you are missing my point, and maybe I have worded it poorly. Again, well over 185,000,000 Americans have taken the vaccine (over 200,000,000 have at least one shot). That includes the majority, and maybe a strong majority of the adults I know and who are within a few degrees of separation of me. Statistically, the same must be true for most people. If there were significant numbers of people suffering significant reactions, strong enough to render the vaccine generally unsafe, we would not need any MSM report to know it. We would know it because we would be hearing about it from friends and family all the time. The hospitals and urgent care clinics and doctor’s offices would be full of people having reactions. That information could not possibly be hidden.

    My point is you don’t know how many adverse reactions there are because no one is reporting on them! The FDA report* showed far more serious events in the vaccinated groups than in the placebo groups. There are adverse events. But no one is collecting those statistics or reporting them to the public. There is no info because no one is looking into it. And yes, I fully expect them to bury inconvenient information after Hunter’s laptop and the Lab origin theory.

    They are not honest. And you just trust them.

    The level trust I have or don’t have in news reports is completely irrelevant to my point.

    Few topics of conversation have been more common this past year than what reaction everyone has had to the shots.  Not only that, but people talk about the experiences they’ve heard about from others, so that you get a good picture of it several degrees of separation deep.

    With 185,000,000 people having taken the shot, you would know just from those conversations if there was any significant number of severe reactions to them. You would know it if you never heard or saw or read any news stories at all.  There is no way on earth that information could be suppressed. 

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  21. Stina Member
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    @CM

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):
    Not only that, but people talk about the experiences they’ve heard about from others, so that you get a good picture of it several degrees of separation deep.

    It’s ironic that EB liked this after attacking the OP.

    Isn’t this exactly what the OP is? Someone reporting on a bad reaction to the vaccine?

    But it doesn’t count. Why? You just said we should have heard about it. But here it is. And it’s not the first one. So is this what you are talking about as information?

    Or are you looking for EB approved “data”? Or Reticulator level statistics?

    There have been quite a few reports on myocarditis in young men post vaccine. But EB says they don’t count, either.

    I’m quite frankly at a loss of what DOES count when every attempt to bring it up is so conveniently easy to dismiss.

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  22. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill
    @CarolJoy

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    What cannot be disputed,SNIP

    Hardly. The definition of “unvaccinated” is not an intangible based on oral history, it’s written in their policy. The failure rate of the tests is well documented by even MSM reporting. The fact that Covid numbers were driven by monetary compensation was/is a scandal many have covered in great detail.

    That definition is based on the fact that it takes a couple of weeks for the vaccine to work. It doesn’t instantly protect you. So, a person shouldn’t be considered “vaccinated” until then.

    As I understand it, the vaers data includes events that occur any time after the 1st shot, since that is focused on reactions to the shot, and not effectiveness of the vaccine.

    SNIP– consider how many people have gotten vaccinated in the US. It’s an enormous number – 185,000,000+ who have gotten both shots, well over half the adult population. If the vaccines were causing health issues in any significant percentage of people, there is no way it could be hidden. SNIP

    SNIP

    The problem in your reasoning with this statement:

    “That definition is based on the fact that it takes a couple of weeks for the vaccine to work. It doesn’t instantly protect you. So, a person shouldn’t be considered “vaccinated” until then.”

    is this: Although the injection is considered unable to offer up protection through the activation of the injected human body making spike proteins for a good two weeks, it can damage an individual immediately after the jab.

    So although it is sensible to say in terms of protection against COV, two weeks must occur.  Then additionally saying that health authorities are allowed to dismiss any & all injuries that occur during the 1st two weeks is nonsense. For instance, most immediately occurring instances of anaphylactic shock are not dismissed due to “this individual is not yet vaccinated.”

    It is an established fact that with prior vaccine rollouts, most injuries and deaths occur within first 2 weeks.

    If I leave No Calif to go to Ohio, I may not get there for two days. But I could be killed in an auto accident 14 hours in   to the duration of my trip. Does it make sense I am not on a trip til I have reached the destination?

    In 1976, 47 million people were innoculated with Sw Flu Vax. Some 50 Americans died. The program was then discontinued.

    Roughly 4 times as many Americans have now had the COV jab(s). So in terms of 1976 heath and safety standards, 200 deaths would be acceptable. But that is not what is going on.

    With the way patients’ are not considered vaxxed for 2 weeks & how nurses are discouraged from reporting even extreme injuries to VAERS, the reporting process has been deliberately skewed:

     

    http://MN nurses speak out on many issues relating to Vaccines https://thehealthcoach1.com/?p=8705

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  23. Bob Thompson Member
    Bob Thompson
    @BobThompson

    The only time I saw Biden say why a mandate, he said it was to keep unvaccinated people from dying from Covid. Is that it?

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  24. D.A. Venters Inactive
    D.A. Venters
    @DAVenters

    Stina (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):
    Not only that, but people talk about the experiences they’ve heard about from others, so that you get a good picture of it several degrees of separation deep.

    It’s ironic that EB liked this after attacking the OP.

    Isn’t this exactly what the OP is? Someone reporting on a bad reaction to the vaccine?

    But it doesn’t count. Why? You just said we should have heard about it. But here it is. And it’s not the first one. So is this what you are talking about as information?

    Or are you looking for EB approved “data”? Or Reticulator level statistics?

    There have been quite a few reports on myocarditis in young men post vaccine. But EB says they don’t count, either.

    I’m quite frankly at a loss of what DOES count when every attempt to bring it up is so conveniently easy to dismiss.

    Numbers count. Of course there will be reports of a bad reaction here and there. That’s true with every safe drug a human being has ever taken. But if even one-half one percent of the people who got vaccinated had a severe reaction, that’s 925,000. That’s twice the number that have died from Covid this year. That’s one for every hospital bed in the country. That’s well above the population of Wyoming.  

    That is obviously not happening and if it were, you wouldn’t be hearing about a case here and there on Internet forums. You would be hearing it about people you know in your life personally and people you know of.  It would be all people could talk about. It could not be suppressed 

     

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  25. EB Thatcher
    EB
    @EB

    Stina (View Comment):
    And anyone can report a Covid death, too.

    What’s your point?

    I am well aware that there are inaccuracies in COVID death reports. My aunt and uncle died in a nursing home within 10 days of each other in March. They were in the nursing home because my uncle was in Stage 4 kidney cancer and my aunt had congestive heart failure and at least 2 other co-morbidities.  And yet their death certificates stated COVID as one of the causes of death.

    I don’t understand how you can accept those inaccuracies in reporting and adamantly refuse to acknowledge the possibility that many of the reports of adverse reactions and/or death may also be inaccurate (or invented.)  @cm

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  26. Bob Thompson Member
    Bob Thompson
    @BobThompson

    This post, with its points, rides on the attempted mandate. Without it the subject obituary does not exist since the deceased did not want the vaccine. Maybe instead of going for the unprecedented mandate, the Biden Administration should try for a vaccine that meets all the established protocols for certifying efficacy and safety and let the people decide if they want the shot just as we always have.

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  27. Bob Thompson Member
    Bob Thompson
    @BobThompson

    EB (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):
    And anyone can report a Covid death, too.

    What’s your point?

    I am well aware that there are inaccuracies in COVID death reports. My aunt and uncle died in a nursing home within 10 days of each other in March. They were in the nursing home because my uncle was in Stage 4 kidney cancer and my aunt had congestive heart failure and at least 2 other co-morbidities. And yet their death certificates stated COVID as one of the causes of death.

    I don’t understand how you can accept those inaccuracies in reporting and adamantly refuse to acknowledge the possibility that many of the reports of adverse reactions and/or death may also be inaccurate (or invented.) @ cm

    You get the subject obituary because of the mandate and you get the mis-reported Covid deaths because they get paid for them or because it helps promote how serious the pandemic is so they can have a mandate for the shot. Lots of power and control over the people being exhibited.

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  28. Stina Member
    Stina
    @CM

    EB (View Comment):
    I don’t understand how you can accept those inaccuracies in reporting and adamantly refuse to acknowledge the possibility that many of the reports of adverse reactions and/or death may also be inaccurate (or invented.)

    I’m far more sanguine about the not knowing part. You do not know, I do not know. The information is not good on any part of it and we are depending on people with a proven track record of outright lying and burying the truth to get that information.

    We have a ton of data that is not good data that extrapolates to bad information. The unvaccinated hospitalized INCLUDE people who have had shots but are not at “vaccinated” yet. They will be reported to VAERS, right? Which is ALSO data, but includes questionable reports.

    Its all dirty data. We are so highly dependent on these people telling the truth and doing studies that when they don’t, we are left in the dark.

    And even if we had all that good information and trust, it would STILL be wrong to push mandates. But it is egregiously wrong to support mandates when none of us know anything.

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  29. Flicker Coolidge
    Flicker
    @Flicker

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

    Is the Right drifting into a whole-hog anti-vaccine position? Or is it just anti-mandate? It’s getting hard to tell.

    I can be on board with the latter, but the former seems like an unwise position for all kinds of reasons, not all of them political.

    What’s wrong with the anti-vaccine position?  I’ll say that the pro-vaccine-mandate is a subset of the pro-vaccine position.  And so it rightly makes up a significant part of the anti-vaccine position.

    And secondly, what is so important about a vaccine or a  second, or now a third, and soon to come a fourth, that as of a few days ago, the government said that 98% of the American people, down to the age of two!, need to be vaccinated?  With an untested (yes, it’s been very poorly tested in some ways and untested in other ways, but you get my point), technologically-novel, experimental vaccine that only lessens symptoms, but causes other problems including death, and that increases transmission, for a virus that has a better than 99% survival rate?

    I can think of three or four reasons for this, and none of them put the health of the people in the mix.

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  30. Flicker Coolidge
    Flicker
    @Flicker

    Oh, and as Front Seat Cat pointed out, a vaccine that we are not even allowed to talk about or debate on social media.

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