On A Rant

We discuss the events of the week, we talk to AEI’s Yuval Levin about leadership in a populist age and Andy McCarthy about the 25th Amendment and pardons. One of our hosts is dealing with a medical issue which he discusses here and in some members only content with Dr. Jay Bhattacharya (available here).  Keep calm, carry on, and be nice to each other. This too shall pass.

 

 

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  1. Pagodan Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Pagodan (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    DrewInEastHillQuarantineZone (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    What a great podcast!

    Listen to Rob at 1:06:00.

    If Republicans want to survive, they need to cut him [Trump] loose.

    Start a bonfire, throw him on it.

    But not just not talk about him, trash him.

    Kill the demon. And then move on.

    Trash him, Cut him loose. Bury him 20 feet deep.

    This is more blood lust. If the President gets assassinated, you and Rob have incited it. You should both be ashamed.

    Running the gamut from Pelosi and Kerosene Maxine down to Rob and Gary, no one ever accuses any of them of incitement. Maybe it’s because no one takes them seriously even though they mean it.

    I am serious that there needs to be a process of “De-Trumpification” just as there was a process of “De-Baathification” in Iraq, and De-“You know what” in post-war Germany and Japan.

    Can we get a de-Robbinsification of Ricochet? (I mean as long as calling for purges are cool and all.)

    I believe that that would mean that a Cult of Personality has grown up around me, where little children learn to sing my many praises at school, where artists create art dedicated to my magnificence, and where adults say that they are ready to die in my honor as they assault the ramparts (or beaches). I have somehow missed all of of that.

    No, I was just riffing on the dream of a Ricochet without you.

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  2. Pagodan Member
    Pagodan
    @MatthewBaylot

    Mark Alexander (View Comment):

    OwnedByDogs (View Comment

    …but the rioters were Trumps people. And they did riot, and whatever you think about it, it looks horrible. Admin members, conservatives, republicans, ricochet commenters etc. do not owe Trump anything here. Rob is at least right about the fact that we were in a better position 20 days ago than we are today, and we shat the bed.

    So what’s with Capitol police inviting “rioters” in on the other side of the building?

    https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/victoria-taft/2021/01/08/the-most-definitive-video-yet-of-capitol-police-letting-the-protesters-in-n1325022

    Who cares? What’s with packs of flag waiving protesters beating capitol police officers on the front steps of the capitol? Or fighting with polic and overwhelming the police at (albeit insignificant) barriers outside the capitol. Some police letting through unruly and aggressive protestors to de-escalate a situation and prevent further violence at the spot doesn’t make this not a riot. 

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  3. kedavis Coolidge
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    Pagodan (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Pagodan (View Comment):
    but the rioters were Trumps people.

    The actually-peaceful (not just “mostly”) protesters were Trump people, but it’s likely that the actual violent ones were not.

    As much as I would like to believe that formulation, I just don’t. Look, overwhelming majority of the people out there, probably weren’t violent and didn’t have any intent to (or in actuality) break the law. But those that did, they were still part of the same overall group. Maybe there was some lefty infiltration, but I think we delude ourselves if we hide behind a false flag conspiracy here.

    Trump voters and Trump fans come in all types of stripes. There is an iconoclastic, furious, and ill led segment who are in it for the iconoclasm and the tearing down of the system. They think Lin Wood and Sidney Powel are going to reveal the real conspiracy any minute now. They’re the Louis Mensche (sp?) of the pro-Trump world, waiting ont he marshall of the supreme court to end the bad dream of November.

    I think it will only hurt us to ignore that.

    Even after “the riot” started, most people weren’t actively participating in violence.  Perhaps those closest to the BLM/Antifa agitators were more easily influenced.  But remember, the cops let them in and they even stay within the “ropes” etc…  where was this simmering violence just waiting to explode?

    • #183
  4. Pagodan Member
    Pagodan
    @MatthewBaylot

    DrewInEastHillQuarantineZone (View Comment):

    TerryS (View Comment):
    Most interesting of all, #nevertrumper David French thinks the January 6 riot was led by a wicked army of Christians.

    Not really interesting when you consider David French has been slandering white evangelicals for more than four years. This is normal for him. For four years he’s made white evangelicals his scapegoat. He retweeted a Critical Race Theory advocate who called it evidence of Christian Nationalism. But it’s unsurprising from David French. He’s a racist bigot and a pharisee. He casually adopts the leftist media view that this was incitement and an insurrection.

    Right now he’s applauding Twitter’s actions. Because he’s not much for free speech, unless it’s Drag Queen Story Hour at your publicly funded library.

    And don’t get me started on Jonah who is now pushing conspiracy theories that President Trump knew about the bombs, and was briefed about the threats.

    These people have lost their minds. They’re going to get the President assassinated. They’re inciting it.

    Yeah, I peaked at Jonah’s Twitter timeline, and though, wow did that guy snap.

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  5. Henry Castaigne Member
    Henry Castaigne
    @HenryCastaigne

    FredGoodhue (View Comment):

    The Democrats campaigned against Herbert Hoover for decades after he lost reelection. They will campaign against Donald Trump for even longer.

    I’m not too worried about that honestly.  A week is a long time in politics. The idea that 2024 will be about Trump seems like a stretch to me. The stuff of 2024 should be more interesting than Trump.

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  6. Pagodan Member
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    @MatthewBaylot

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Pagodan (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Pagodan (View Comment):
    but the rioters were Trumps people.

    The actually-peaceful (not just “mostly”) protesters were Trump people, but it’s likely that the actual violent ones were not.

    As much as I would like to believe that formulation, I just don’t. Look, overwhelming majority of the people out there, probably weren’t violent and didn’t have any intent to (or in actuality) break the law. But those that did, they were still part of the same overall group. Maybe there was some lefty infiltration, but I think we delude ourselves if we hide behind a false flag conspiracy here.

    Trump voters and Trump fans come in all types of stripes. There is an iconoclastic, furious, and ill led segment who are in it for the iconoclasm and the tearing down of the system. They think Lin Wood and Sidney Powel are going to reveal the real conspiracy any minute now. They’re the Louis Mensche (sp?) of the pro-Trump world, waiting ont he marshall of the supreme court to end the bad dream of November.

    I think it will only hurt us to ignore that.

    Even after “the riot” started, most people weren’t actively participating in violence. Perhaps those closest to the BLM/Antifa agitators were more easily influenced. But remember, the cops let them in and they even stay within the “ropes” etc… where was this simmering violence just waiting to explode?

    I get that. I have 2 serious problems with this:

    1. The false flag ANTIFA thing is a loser argument. The hundreds of rioters would not have rioted if they weren’t led astray by ANTIFA… I get that we want to see “our side” in the best light, but since November people have been graspong at straws to explain away inconvenient facts. That got us here. We need to stop.
    2. That there were many non-violent protestors who kinda got whisked up and ended up inside the capitol, and didn’t riot, and were let in by police at another entrance, doesn’t change the fact that there were hundreds of violent, unruly, felonious rioters who were Trump supporters. 

     

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  7. Blue Yeti Admin
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    @BlueYeti

    kedavis (View Comment):
    Perhaps those closest to the BLM/Antifa agitators were more easily influenced.

    This claim is a complete fabrication and has been debunked by numerous organizations on both the left and the right.

     

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  8. Henry Castaigne Member
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    @HenryCastaigne

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    JuliaBach (View Comment):

    Steven Iverson (View Comment):

    JuliaBach (View Comment):

    Three things I noticed:

    1) James has not been saying much for several episodes now. I think I know why.

    2) It is amazing that Rob is so concerned about Trump’s impropriety towards our hallowed institutions, when those institutions betrayed the public during COVID, even to the point of denying many the treatments that his own family took.

    3) No one outside of D.C. knows or cares who Mitch McConnell is married to. I love you, Peter, but only someone who spent too much time in D.C. would assume people think McConnell is a tool of the CCP because his wife is Asian.

    McConnell is a tool of the CCP because his wife’s business and their wealth is completely dependent on the Chinese commies.

    Nah. McConnell is a Useful Idiot, like many in politics.

    Didn’t he publish a book claiming he was playing “The Long Game”? Give him credit for getting Trump’s judge nominations confirmed, but what did he accomplish of significance before Trump showed up? I’m not claiming that he didn’t accomplish anything, just that I don’t remember much.

    There was nothing more important than getting rid of the ACA. They had eight years and three months to think about it. Think of all of those unanimous votes to get rid of it.

    McCain’s worst moment in a history of political mediocrity. 

    • #188
  9. OwnedByDogs Lincoln
    OwnedByDogs
    @JuliaBlaschke

    Pagodan (View Comment):

    I get that. I have 2 serious problems with this:

    1. The false flag ANTIFA thing is a loser argument. The hundreds of rioters would not have rioted if they weren’t led astray by ANTIFA… I get that we want to see “our side” in the best light, but since November people have been graspong at straws to explain away inconvenient facts. That got us here. We need to stop.
    2. That there were many non-violent protestors who kinda got whisked up and ended up inside the capitol, and didn’t riot, and were let in by police at another entrance, doesn’t change the fact that there were hundreds of violent, unruly, felonious rioters who were Trump supporters. 

    I can’t believe some are trying to go with “mostly peaceful”.

    • #189
  10. RufusRJones Member
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    @RufusRJones

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    JuliaBach (View Comment):

    Steven Iverson (View Comment):

    JuliaBach (View Comment):

    Three things I noticed:

    1) James has not been saying much for several episodes now. I think I know why.

    2) It is amazing that Rob is so concerned about Trump’s impropriety towards our hallowed institutions, when those institutions betrayed the public during COVID, even to the point of denying many the treatments that his own family took.

    3) No one outside of D.C. knows or cares who Mitch McConnell is married to. I love you, Peter, but only someone who spent too much time in D.C. would assume people think McConnell is a tool of the CCP because his wife is Asian.

    McConnell is a tool of the CCP because his wife’s business and their wealth is completely dependent on the Chinese commies.

    Nah. McConnell is a Useful Idiot, like many in politics.

    Didn’t he publish a book claiming he was playing “The Long Game”? Give him credit for getting Trump’s judge nominations confirmed, but what did he accomplish of significance before Trump showed up? I’m not claiming that he didn’t accomplish anything, just that I don’t remember much.

    There was nothing more important than getting rid of the ACA. They had eight years and three months to think about it. Think of all of those unanimous votes to get rid of it.

    McCain’s worst moment in a history of political mediocrity.

    He had the dumbest reason, too. Something about how much upheaval it was going to cause made him want it to be bipartisan. The damn thing was passed on a party line with a parliamentary trick. It is one of the most sickening things that is ever happened in my lifetime. There was no reason for any of this.

    • #190
  11. Pagodan Member
    Pagodan
    @MatthewBaylot

    OwnedByDogs (View Comment):

    Pagodan (View Comment):

    I get that. I have 2 serious problems with this:

    1. The false flag ANTIFA thing is a loser argument. The hundreds of rioters would not have rioted if they weren’t led astray by ANTIFA… I get that we want to see “our side” in the best light, but since November people have been graspong at straws to explain away inconvenient facts. That got us here. We need to stop.
    2. That there were many non-violent protestors who kinda got whisked up and ended up inside the capitol, and didn’t riot, and were let in by police at another entrance, doesn’t change the fact that there were hundreds of violent, unruly, felonious rioters who were Trump supporters.

    I can’t believe some are trying to go with “mostly peaceful”.

    I can. That’s what they heard from nearly every source for six months of rioting, unrest, and upheavel. That’s what they headlines blare after near nightly riots with explosives, fireworks, shields and clubs every night in a major American city. And more importantly, we’ve all seen that it works. It is an accepted excuse in almost every quarter except our small little slice of the pie. So why wouldn’t people go with it?  I wish we woudln’t. We don’t have a media machine to cover over the unpleasant facts like they do, and we need to better then them to win. But I can absolutely believe out of sheer frustration, exhaustion, and loss of heart – that is a very tempting road to go down. 

    • #191
  12. Henry Castaigne Member
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    @HenryCastaigne

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    JuliaBach (View Comment):

    Steven Iverson (View Comment):

    JuliaBach (View Comment):

    Three things I noticed:

    1) James has not been saying much for several episodes now. I think I know why.

    2) It is amazing that Rob is so concerned about Trump’s impropriety towards our hallowed institutions, when those institutions betrayed the public during COVID, even to the point of denying many the treatments that his own family took.

    3) No one outside of D.C. knows or cares who Mitch McConnell is married to. I love you, Peter, but only someone who spent too much time in D.C. would assume people think McConnell is a tool of the CCP because his wife is Asian.

    McConnell is a tool of the CCP because his wife’s business and their wealth is completely dependent on the Chinese commies.

    Nah. McConnell is a Useful Idiot, like many in politics.

    Didn’t he publish a book claiming he was playing “The Long Game”? Give him credit for getting Trump’s judge nominations confirmed, but what did he accomplish of significance before Trump showed up? I’m not claiming that he didn’t accomplish anything, just that I don’t remember much.

    There was nothing more important than getting rid of the ACA. They had eight years and three months to think about it. Think of all of those unanimous votes to get rid of it.

    McCain’s worst moment in a history of political mediocrity.

    He had the dumbest reason, too. Something about how much upheaval it was going to cause made him want it to be bipartisan. The damn thing was passed on a party line with a parliamentary trick. It is one of the most sickening things that is ever happened in my lifetime. There was no reason for any of this.

    There was a reason. The reason was that McCain hated Trump. The man really was that petty. It’s hard to imagine how a legit war hero could sink so low but there you have it.

    • #192
  13. Henry Castaigne Member
    Henry Castaigne
    @HenryCastaigne

    Pagodan (View Comment):

    OwnedByDogs (View Comment):

    Pagodan (View Comment):

    I get that. I have 2 serious problems with this:

    1. The false flag ANTIFA thing is a loser argument. The hundreds of rioters would not have rioted if they weren’t led astray by ANTIFA… I get that we want to see “our side” in the best light, but since November people have been graspong at straws to explain away inconvenient facts. That got us here. We need to stop.
    2. That there were many non-violent protestors who kinda got whisked up and ended up inside the capitol, and didn’t riot, and were let in by police at another entrance, doesn’t change the fact that there were hundreds of violent, unruly, felonious rioters who were Trump supporters.

    I can’t believe some are trying to go with “mostly peaceful”.

    I can. That’s what they heard from nearly every source for six months of rioting, unrest, and upheavel. That’s what they headlines blare after near nightly riots with explosives, fireworks, shields and clubs every night in a major American city. And more importantly, we’ve all seen that it works. It is an accepted excuse in almost every quarter except our small little slice of the pie. So why wouldn’t people go with it? I wish we woudln’t. We don’t have a media machine to cover over the unpleasant facts like they do, and we need to better then them to win. But I can absolutely believe out of sheer frustration, exhaustion, and loss of heart – that is a very tempting road to go down.

    That road leads to hell. The left has no standards except for whatever if politically convenient at the time. If we become the left, there is nothing to sustain the best of America’s classically liberal traditions.  

    • #193
  14. OwnedByDogs Lincoln
    OwnedByDogs
    @JuliaBlaschke

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):
    So why wouldn’t people go with it?

    Frankly because people that do it are not frustrated, exhausted or suffering from loss of heart. They are just awful people. And it only works for the left because the left has the media, the schools, etc. It won’t work for this except with Trump besotted fools. They beat up and killed cops. Not the media, not Congress, cops. 

    • #194
  15. RufusRJones Member
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    @RufusRJones

    I thought Bill Cunningham had really good analysis last night. He is a lawyer. 

    The big problem is Trump does not think about civics issues enough. I always thought this was going to be a problem. He obviously is not intellectually curious and he didn’t do any homework on this type of thing. You can get away with that in some political positions but it’s really hard as POTUS. 

    Trump and all of those guys should have at some point just said that Zuckerberg and Perkins Coui outfoxed the state legislatures before the election and it was just too hard to do anything about it afterwards. This should have happened before Christmas. 

    I really recommend that you listen to this. He is a very good broadcaster.

    https://www.iheart.com/podcast/bill-cunningham-20785499/#

     

    • #195
  16. Mark Alexander Inactive
    Mark Alexander
    @MarkAlexander

    Well, she does make a few good points…

    • #196
  17. DrewInEastHillQuarantineZone Member
    DrewInEastHillQuarantineZone
    @DrewInWisconsin

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    I thought Bill Cunningham had really good analysis last night. He is a lawyer. 

    The big problem is Trump does not think about civics issues enough.

    Is that the big problem? I think the big problem is that our enemies are legion and they control all institutions and all forms of communication.

    • #197
  18. Mark Alexander Inactive
    Mark Alexander
    @MarkAlexander

    Please, gentleman, get Thomas Sowell on, and please—LISTEN to him.

    • #198
  19. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    I recommend that you take ten minutes and start at the 64 minute point to first listen to James, then Rob’s rant in context, and then James’ and Peter’s responses. Peter remarked about how Arkansas Senator Tom Cotton represents the new Republican Party, which Rob agreed with. Rob then praised Florida Governor Ron DeSantis and Peter agreed with that. By the end of the Podcast, they agreed to disagree as what to do and say about Trump going forward.

    If you have an additional four minutes, listen to Johnny Cash’s incredible song “Hurt.”

    After “Hurt” there is a bit of light-hearted banter that shows that Peter and Rob admire and respect each other, despite their exasperation’s with each other.  

    • #199
  20. Architectus Coolidge
    Architectus
    @Architectus

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    FredGoodhue (View Comment):

    The Democrats campaigned against Herbert Hoover for decades after he lost reelection. They will campaign against Donald Trump for even longer.

    I’m not too worried about that honestly. A week is a long time in politics. The idea that 2024 will be about Trump seems like a stretch to me. The stuff of 2024 should be more interesting than Trump.

    Agreed.  We already know going in that most of the media is dishonest and will not report anything accurately – that’s baseline, nothing new.  We must be disciplined, not like the apologetic snowflakes that we abhor (many in the GOP).  When the Left tries to “campaign against Trump”, do NOT beg forgiveness for a bunch of idiots from one day in January.  You will not get sympathy until you are dead.  We need to be prepared to recount, immediately, the substantial conservative accomplishments from those 4 years, and talk about how we will build on those for the benefit of all Americans.  Do not bother to engage in a discussion about Trump’s failings – we are all sinners and fall short (even the person you are talking to) – and that’s not pertinent to a discussion of policy.  

    • #200
  21. Architectus Coolidge
    Architectus
    @Architectus

    Mark Alexander (View Comment):

    Well, she does make a few good points…

    A lot of good points. Check out her YouTube channel for many excellent videos. 

    • #201
  22. Henry Castaigne Member
    Henry Castaigne
    @HenryCastaigne

    Architectus (View Comment):
    We must be disciplined, not like the apologetic snowflakes that we abhor (many in the GOP). When the Left tries to “campaign against Trump”, do NOT beg forgiveness for a bunch of idiots from one day in January. You will not get sympathy until you are dead. We need to be prepared to recount, immediately, the substantial conservative accomplishments from those 4 years, and talk about how we will build on those for the benefit of all Americans.

    This a thousand times. Trump effectively expanded the base to homosexuals, the working class and non-white Americans. This against the constant barrage of misinformation from the mainstream media. To be fair, Trump’s conduct was unpleasant and I can understand how people more interested in optics and feelings than policy could vote against him.

    To disagree with the common wisdom. Trump is great at building coalitions. He is just a little bit better at building coalitions against him.

    • #202
  23. Snirtler Inactive
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    @Snirtler

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Pagodan (View Comment):
    but the rioters were Trumps people.

    The actually-peaceful (not just “mostly”) protesters were Trump people, but it’s likely that the actual violent ones were not.

    How do you know this?

    • #203
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