On A Rant

We discuss the events of the week, we talk to AEI’s Yuval Levin about leadership in a populist age and Andy McCarthy about the 25th Amendment and pardons. One of our hosts is dealing with a medical issue which he discusses here and in some members only content with Dr. Jay Bhattacharya (available here). Keep calm, carry on, and be nice to each other. This too shall pass.

 

 

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  1. David March Thatcher
    David March
    @ToryWarWriter

    This is the most outrageous request yet! Be nice to each other! How dare they!

    • #1
  2. Mark Alexander Coolidge
    Mark Alexander
    @MarkAlexander

    How often is Thomas Sowell mistaken?

    • #2
  3. Django Member
    Django
    @Django

    Just leave it alone. Trump shot his [redacted] off and he doesn’t matter anymore. Put him by the window, as the Japanese used to do with executives who were over the hill. Thank him for his inputs when he shoots his mouth off, as he will. Then ignore his comments. The only way to deal with Demo-rats when they bring up Trump is to ask them why they want to live in the past. 

    • #3
  4. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Over/under on when Rob, Jon, et al, begin to welcome our insect overlords?

    • #4
  5. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Rob thinks the Republicans in Congress supported Trump? What rock has HE been living under?

    • #5
  6. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Rob: “What you mean ‘we,’ Hollywood-man?”

    • #6
  7. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Does anyone seriously believe that if Trump pardoned himself, it would actually stop anything? They don’t care about the law NOW, why would they suddenly start?

    • #7
  8. Aaron Miller Member
    Aaron Miller
    @AaronMiller

    Thanks, Peter, for being a voice of reason. Gosh, there’s some spectacular nonsense in the first half of this podcast (the part I didn’t hear live). 

    Ted Cruz said in his address to Congress that they needed to address the extraordinary distrust of elections expressed in polls. He did not suggest overturning the results, nor did he ever pretend to have sufficient votes to effect such change. Rob and Yuval speak as if he was defending Trump, rather the integrity of elections. 

    It is a fact, not “lies”, that the US Constitution affords to state legislatures the exclusive authority to determine election procedures. It is a fact, not “lies” or “fantasy”, that Pennsylvania and other swing states altered those procedures under claims to emergency powers (despite the time element of the COVID emergency, preventing long deliberation, having ended months ago). And the US Supreme Court punted, leaving only the 2nd branch of government to defend the US Constitution. Not state constitutions — the US Constitution. Congress punted too. 

    How those abdications of responsibility and unrule of law should be addressed is debateable. That there is pressing need to at the very least acknowledge those failures is painfully obvious… even without a fleeting glance toward Donald Trump. 

    Like leftists, Rob has developed an ugly habit of contesting opponents’ worst arguments, rather than their best. 

    • #8
  9. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Rob took hydroxychloroquine? Sounds like he owes Trump an apology.

    Actually, ANOTHER apology.

    • #9
  10. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Sorry James, Move On and MoveOn.org are already taken. Remember?

    But I was right about my prediction of why nobody else thought of your great idea: Because it wasn’t great. :-)

    • #10
  11. Django Member
    Django
    @Django

    Aaron Miller (View Comment):

    Thanks, Peter, for being a voice of reason. Gosh, there’s some spectacular nonsense in the first half of this podcast (the part I didn’t hear live).

    Ted Cruz said in his address to Congress that they needed to address the extraordinary distrust of elections expressed in polls. He did not suggest overturning the results, nor did he ever pretend to have sufficient votes to effect such change. Rob and Yuval speak as if he was defending Trump, rather the integrity of elections.

    It is a fact, not “lies”, that the US Constitution affords to state legislatures the exclusive authority to determine election procedures. It is a fact, not “lies” or “fantasy”, that Pennsylvania and other swing states altered those procedures under claims to emergency powers (despite the time element of the COVID emergency, preventing long deliberation, having ended months ago). And the US Supreme Court punted, leaving only the 2nd branch of government to defend the US Constitution. Not state constitutions — the US Constitution. Congress punted too.

    How those abdications of responsibility and unrule of law should be addressed is debateable. That there is pressing need to at the very least acknowledge those failures is painfully obvious… even without a fleeting glance toward Donald Trump.

    Like leftists, Rob has developed an ugly habit of contesting opponents’ worst arguments, rather than their best.

    It’s been a while since I have listened to a podcast. The foolishness I heard in the first half reminded my why I haven’t listened in a while. You summarized it quite well. 

    • #11
  12. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    @peterrobinson Tom Cotton may have angered his constituents, but that isn’t nearly as dangerous as if he had angered the media etc. So was that really courageous?

    • #12
  13. Aaron Miller Member
    Aaron Miller
    @AaronMiller

    Levin says Reagan turned populism “into a defense of the institutions more than an attack on the institutions.”

    Ronald Reagan is the president who famously said the most terrifying words in the English language are “I am from the government and I am here to help.” He advocated recession of federal govermment for progression of individual and local liberties.

    Yes, Reagan praised American history and values. So did Trump. Our current President lacks the grace and discipline of Reagan, of course. But the enemies he has decried, from China to leftist media to the same “swamp” in DC that tried to gut Peter’s/Reagan’s “tear down this wall” speech are certainly real.

    As I wrote in Lois Lane’s conversation here:

    Every politician is a populist. Every politician says in campaigns:

    “Washington isn’t representing you. Washington doesn’t represent you and me. We are the real Americans. Trust me, the outsider. I will change things. I will help fight the corruption. We the People will win the day! America will be a great nation with me in power.”

    Trump was uniquely “populist” only in that he merely rubbed shoulders with the political class all his life, rather than originated from their schools and their organizations to think as that social class of lawyers and lobbyists do. He was different in other ways, but being a boor doesn’t make him populist.

    Populism is a bugaboo. It’s a red herring. Polished and controlled as he was, Obama was more dangerous as a leader.

    Democrats have been training generations to despise half the nation. They have normalized expressions of disdain and calls to punish (not just defeat) Republicans and traditionalists. They harangued a President daily for 3 years with a proven lie (the Russian hoax) and now talk as if he is a madman with the nuclear football despite 4 years of extraordinary peace (in the Middle East, especially). Why would any reasonable person think that Trump is uniquely a rabble-rousing threat?

    Democrats and their allies made several moves today to shut down conservative expression, including threats to the Parler platform. But you are still pretending Trump is the greatest threat to conservatism.

    • #13
  14. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Aaron Miller (View Comment):
    Democrats and their allies made several moves today to shut down conservative expression, including threats to the Parler platform. But you are still pretending Trump is the greatest threat to conservatism.

    Maybe not all of them, but Rob certainly seems to.

    • #14
  15. Aaron Miller Member
    Aaron Miller
    @AaronMiller

    “They are putting on a populist show.”

    Do you mean a show like McConnell and company telling voters they will make all these great reforms, including repeal of Obamacare, and then sending diddly squat to the Republican President’s desk during two years of a Repulican-majority Congress? 

    Do you mean a show like decades of “continuing resolutions” and multi-trillion-dollar pork-heavy, regulation-granting expenditures that make a mockery of the legislature’s budgetary duties? 

    Or do you mean a show like Republican governors and state legislatures speaking of freedom while perpetuating endless “emergency” powers as if there has been no time to deliberate and debate? 

    If there is a “populist show”, it is Republican government writ large because Republican voters have come to expect almost nothing in significant pushback from their representatives. They are speedbumps on the road to serfdom. 

    At least the proposals those politicians you revile are significant, as opposed to Paul Ryan’s inane reliance on 10 years of unbroken Republican domination just to get half a tax credit which Democrats could erase in a year.

    • #15
  16. Gary Robbins Reagan
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    What a great podcast! 

    Listen to Rob at 1:06:00. 

    If Republicans want to survive, they need to cut him [Trump] loose. 

    Start a bonfire, throw him on it. 

    But not just not talk about him, trash him. 

    Kill the demon. And then move on. 

    Trash him, Cut him loose. Bury him 20 feet deep.

    • #16
  17. Django Member
    Django
    @Django

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    What a great podcast!

    Listen to Rob at 1:06:00.

    If Republicans want to survive, they need to cut him [Trump] loose.

    Start a bonfire, throw him on it.

    But not just not talk about him, trash him.

    Kill the demon. And then move on.

    Trash him, Cut him loose. Bury him 20 feet deep.

    Not quite the stupidest comment I’ve ever read, but in the competition. The hatred and vindictiveness toward Trump disgusts me. Let the poor fool be. 

    On a practical level, there is no need to risk making him a martyr in the eyes of many. You can’t win without them. Ignore him and they might let it slide. Follow your and Rob’s nonsense and you may lose them forever. But maybe that’s what you both want. 

    • #17
  18. Samuel Block Podcaster
    Samuel Block
    @SamuelBlock

    Mark Alexander (View Comment):

    How often is Thomas Sowell mistaken?

    Oddly enough, Sowell’s careful way of speaking is what makes him unique among intellectuals. He’s contemplated the point of no return for a long time and I suppose we may have passed it years ago, and, if that were so, he still wouldn’t be mistaken.

    • #18
  19. Gary Robbins Reagan
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    Django (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    What a great podcast!

    Listen to Rob at 1:06:00.

    If Republicans want to survive, they need to cut him [Trump] loose.

    Start a bonfire, throw him on it.

    But not just not talk about him, trash him.

    Kill the demon. And then move on.

    Trash him, Cut him loose. Bury him 20 feet deep.

    Not quite the stupidest comment I’ve ever read, but in the competition. The hatred and vindictiveness toward Trump disgusts me. Let the poor fool be.

    On a practical level, there is no need to risk making him a martyr in the eyes of many. You can’t win without them. Ignore him and they might let it slide. Follow your and Rob’s nonsense and you may lose them forever. But maybe that’s what you both want.

    This is Team Red against Team Orange. 

    After Nixon was forced out, he was cut loose, trashed, and incinerated in a bonfire, while the party moved on. 

    Six years later we elected the Greatest President of the Twentieth Century, Ronald Reagan.

    • #19
  20. Albert Arthur Coolidge
    Albert Arthur
    @AlbertArthur

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Start a bonfire, throw him on it. 

    You have to test if he floats like a duck first. It’s science.

    • #20
  21. Django Member
    Django
    @Django

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    What a great podcast!

    Listen to Rob at 1:06:00.

    If Republicans want to survive, they need to cut him [Trump] loose.

    Start a bonfire, throw him on it.

    But not just not talk about him, trash him.

    Kill the demon. And then move on.

    Trash him, Cut him loose. Bury him 20 feet deep.

    Not quite the stupidest comment I’ve ever read, but in the competition. The hatred and vindictiveness toward Trump disgusts me. Let the poor fool be.

    On a practical level, there is no need to risk making him a martyr in the eyes of many. You can’t win without them. Ignore him and they might let it slide. Follow your and Rob’s nonsense and you may lose them forever. But maybe that’s what you both want.

    This is Team Red against Team Orange.

    After Nixon was forced out, he was cut loose, trashed, and incinerated in a bonfire, while the party moved on.

    Six years later we elected the Greatest President of the Twentieth Century, Ronald Reagan.

    That was then. This is now. Your hatred for Trump is still disgusting. 

    • #21
  22. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Albert Arthur (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Start a bonfire, throw him on it.

    You have to test if he floats like a duck first. It’s science.

    That will have to wait, Gary is busy reading chicken entrails.

    • #22
  23. Gary Robbins Reagan
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    Django (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    What a great podcast!

    Listen to Rob at 1:06:00.

    If Republicans want to survive, they need to cut him [Trump] loose.

    Start a bonfire, throw him on it.

    But not just not talk about him, trash him.

    Kill the demon. And then move on.

    Trash him, Cut him loose. Bury him 20 feet deep.

    Not quite the stupidest comment I’ve ever read, but in the competition. The hatred and vindictiveness toward Trump disgusts me. Let the poor fool be.

    On a practical level, there is no need to risk making him a martyr in the eyes of many. You can’t win without them. Ignore him and they might let it slide. Follow your and Rob’s nonsense and you may lose them forever. But maybe that’s what you both want.

    This is Team Red against Team Orange.

    After Nixon was forced out, he was cut loose, trashed, and incinerated in a bonfire, while the party moved on.

    Six years later we elected the Greatest President of the Twentieth Century, Ronald Reagan.

    That was then. This is now. Your hatred for Trump is still disgusting.

    Ah, one of my special friends!

    • #23
  24. Gary Robbins Reagan
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Albert Arthur (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Start a bonfire, throw him on it.

    You have to test if he floats like a duck first. It’s science.

    That will have to wait, Gary is busy reading chicken entrails.

    You realize that 8 of the first 24 comments is by you, don’t you?

    • #24
  25. Gary Robbins Reagan
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    The polls are beginning to come out:

    “Jan 8 (Reuters) – Fifty-seven percent of Americans want Republican President Donald Trump to be immediately removed from office after he encouraged a protest this week that escalated into a deadly riot inside the U.S. Capitol, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll.

    “Most of them were Democrats, however, with Republicans apparently much more supportive of Trump serving out the final days of his term, which ends on Jan. 20.

    “The national public opinion survey, conducted Thursday and Friday, also showed that seven out of 10 of those who voted for Trump in November opposed the action of the hardcore supporters who broke into the Capitol while lawmakers were meeting to certify the election victory of Democrat Joe Biden.

    “Nearly 70% of Americans surveyed also said they disapprove of Trump’s actions in the run-up to Wednesday’s assault. At a rally earlier in the day, Trump had exhorted thousands of his followers to march to the Capitol.

    https://news.trust.org/item/20210108210622-t35pv

    • #25
  26. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    So? I was commenting while listening. When these podcasts come out so late, many people don’t notice them until the next day. They’ll catch up.

    • #26
  27. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    The polls are beginning to come out:

    “Jan 8 (Reuters) – Fifty-seven percent of Americans want Republican President Donald Trump to be immediately removed from office after he encouraged a protest this week that escalated into a deadly riot inside the U.S. Capitol, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll.

    “Most of them were Democrats, however, with Republicans apparently much more supportive of Trump serving out the final days of his term, which ends on Jan. 20.

    “The national public opinion survey, conducted Thursday and Friday, also showed that seven out of 10 of those who voted for Trump in November opposed the action of the hardcore supporters who broke into the Capitol while lawmakers were meeting to certify the election victory of Democrat Joe Biden.

    “Nearly 70% of Americans surveyed also said they disapprove of Trump’s actions in the run-up to Wednesday’s assault. At a rally earlier in the day, Trump had exhorted thousands of his followers to march to the Capitol.

    https://news.trust.org/item/20210108210622-t35pv

    Nearly 90% of Americans probably don’t know what really happened, yet. And may never know if they only pay attention to CNN etc. Especially when the poll is couched as “hardcore supporters who broke into the Capitol”…

    • #27
  28. Django Member
    Django
    @Django

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    What a great podcast!

    Listen to Rob at 1:06:00.

    If Republicans want to survive, they need to cut him [Trump] loose.

    Start a bonfire, throw him on it.

    But not just not talk about him, trash him.

    Kill the demon. And then move on.

    Trash him, Cut him loose. Bury him 20 feet deep.

    Not quite the stupidest comment I’ve ever read, but in the competition. The hatred and vindictiveness toward Trump disgusts me. Let the poor fool be.

    On a practical level, there is no need to risk making him a martyr in the eyes of many. You can’t win without them. Ignore him and they might let it slide. Follow your and Rob’s nonsense and you may lose them forever. But maybe that’s what you both want.

    This is Team Red against Team Orange.

    After Nixon was forced out, he was cut loose, trashed, and incinerated in a bonfire, while the party moved on.

    Six years later we elected the Greatest President of the Twentieth Century, Ronald Reagan.

    That was then. This is now. Your hatred for Trump is still disgusting.

    Ah, one of my special friends!

    I said your hatred for Trump is disgusting. I did not say that you personally are disgusting. There is a difference whether you realize it or not. 

    • #28
  29. Gary Robbins Reagan
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    What is the song at the end of the Podcast? I found it to be hauntingly beautiful.

    • #29
  30. Django Member
    Django
    @Django

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    What is the song at the end of the Podcast? I found it to be hauntingly beautiful.

    • #30