Need to Know pulls back the lens on the storm of sexual harassment charges to ask how this happened. Jay and Mona speak of uncomfortable subjects, like whether you should always believe women, the malice and schadenfreude on both sides, and porn, the great sewer beneath all of it.

Music from this week’s episode: To A Wild Rose – MacDowell, J.J. Sheridan, Piano

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    Double post

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    • November 17, 2017 at 4:29 pm
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    Mona, I think you and Jay are acting like pyromaniacs in a field of straw men on the immigration issue: who are these haters that want to stop all immigration? Even Ann Coulter, the most extreme bombast on the issue, says she wants a brief moratorium until we can work off the backlog overwhelming our current immigration system. Mark Krikorian volunteers his time teaching English to immigrants in his community. No one says all immigrants are bad, we just want some common sense applied and an acknowledgement that a lot of immigrants aren’t the wholesome contributors of leftist propaganda.

    When I first heard of the groping attacks by “refugees” in Cologne Germany a while back, I immediately thought of one of the final straws that drove me from NYC back in the day. Here’s a link if you want to watch or skim through, it lasts for about eight minutes…https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGPCIc4F26E

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    • November 17, 2017 at 4:31 pm
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    Mona,

    There was nothing unusual in the 1970’s about a grown man signing a teenager’s yearbook. What’s hopefully unusual, and beneath despicable, is a 30 plus year old male who could sign a teenager’s yearbook and then betray the obvious trust implicit in her request for his signature.

    I don’t think Roy Moore wrote “D.A.”, “12/22/77 “or “Olde Hickory House” in that yearbook. But I do think he wrote the message there and signed it. I also think he then unexpectedly came on to the teenager who asked him to sign her yearbook, and turned on her in a terrifying, demeaning, at least emotionally if not physically hurtful way when she said no.

    No man does that.

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    • November 17, 2017 at 5:10 pm
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    “Well, that’s the world we live in, and we’ll continue to deplore it.”

    A classic line.

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    • November 17, 2017 at 10:56 pm
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    So many things to comment on, regarding this Tour-de-Force Podcast. It was a testament to why I love Need To Know so much. Where else but in this oasis could you find comments lamenting the loss of “Ladies and Gentleman”, a remembrance of a good observation that Moynihan made, and fine, uplifting music to say goodbye with?

    Incidentally, Jay did steal my thunder. I was getting ready to brag that I seemed to be the only one who is constantly reminding people what the late Senator from New York said, when Jay reminded us. It was a valuable contribution from a man who often voted badly but had some great things to warn us about.

    As for Mona’s observation that this is no longer Bill Buckley’s conservatism: She is probably right, even though there are those, like Mona herself, who are always trying to right the ship (no pun intended)!

    Hang in there, guys. Despite the naysayers on Ricochet, we still have an important movement, and a great country, to save. Never give in!!

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    • November 18, 2017 at 6:09 am
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    A few weeks ago, Charen alibied for George HW Bush’s behavior. So everyone has their blind spots.

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    • November 18, 2017 at 6:35 am
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    BD1 (View Comment):
    A few weeks ago, Charen alibied for George HW Bush’s behavior. So everyone has their blind spots.

    This is hardly fair. Ms Charen admitted she had been fooled. Bush is an old man, confined to a wheelchair. The original charge was just hyperbolic. And then it came out that he had done this kind of thing some 25 years ago. Mona didn’t know. No one knew. To say she “alibied” is a slur on a good woman.

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    • November 18, 2017 at 8:11 am
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    Petty B (View Comment):
    No one says all immigrants are bad, we just want some common sense applied and an acknowledgement that a lot of immigrants aren’t the wholesome contributors of leftist propaganda.

    No one? I strongly suspect that many of Trump and Bannon’s true believers WOULD like a complete halt to all immigration. I know several who also think that all Muslims are evil. Just ask some of Roy Moore’s supporters. I recently had one tell me he had no problem with a list of Moore’s most egregious quotes which included the sharia law in Indiana and that homosexuality should be “illegal” quotes. There are, as Mona and Jay said, many on the left who are equally off when they say the opposite. How about finding people who are in between those 2 views and voting for them in primaries?

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    • November 18, 2017 at 11:46 am
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    BD1 (View Comment):
    A few weeks ago, Charen alibied for George HW Bush’s behavior. So everyone has their blind spots.

    And unfortunately some only have tunnel vision.

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    • November 18, 2017 at 11:47 am
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    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):

    Petty B (View Comment):
    No one says all immigrants are bad, we just want some common sense applied and an acknowledgement that a lot of immigrants aren’t the wholesome contributors of leftist propaganda.

    No one? I strongly suspect that many of Trump and Bannon’s true believers WOULD like a complete halt to all immigration. I know several who also think that all Muslims are evil. Just ask some of Roy Moore’s supporters. I recently had one tell me he had no problem with a list of Moore’s most egregious quotes which included the sharia law in Indiana and that homosexuality should be “illegal” quotes. There are, as Mona and Jay said, many on the left who are equally off when they say the opposite. How about finding people who are in between those 2 views and voting for them in primaries?

    No reasonable person on the right, as opposed to the mainstream of the Democratic Party that thinks any hint of reservation on this issue is racism.

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    • November 18, 2017 at 12:00 pm
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    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):

    Petty B (View Comment):
    No one says all immigrants are bad, we just want some common sense applied and an acknowledgement that a lot of immigrants aren’t the wholesome contributors of leftist propaganda.

    No one? I strongly suspect that many of Trump and Bannon’s true believers WOULD like a complete halt to all immigration. I know several who also think that all Muslims are evil. Just ask some of Roy Moore’s supporters. I recently had one tell me he had no problem with a list of Moore’s most egregious quotes which included the sharia law in Indiana and that homosexuality should be “illegal” quotes. There are, as Mona and Jay said, many on the left who are equally off when they say the opposite. How about finding people who are in between those 2 views and voting for them in primaries?

    To add to what Julia said: Now that he is President, Donald Trump has apparently changed his mind, and thank God for it, but when he announced his candidacy, he made a point of saying that Mexico was sending us their worst people. Only as an afterthought did he say there were a few good ones too.

    And he did call for a ban, for at least a while, on all Muslims.

    Look, I know a lady, a very nice woman, who is a friend, who said to me that the area not too far from she lives has changed over the years. So did acknowledge they were good people. But there was no mistaking that she’d rather have people who looked her as neighbors.

    I really think a good part of the Trump vote, especially in the primaries, came from people who did not like Mexicans, and others, coming into this country – legal or illegal.

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    • November 18, 2017 at 12:50 pm
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    I’ve been a BIG fan of Mona’s from the 1st time I read and heard her but….Mona….ease up a bit. I’m 2 weeks younger than the Donald and grew up in the same Queens milieu as he. He’s lots of things and I was a #NeverTrumper from Day 1 too but….he’s not a racist. He’s sloppy. Dangerously so. He’s a terrible messenger for the GOP I started to support at a YAF rally for Barry AuH2O in 1959-60….but when I count up the wins of fracking, regulatory reform, immigration/border controls, Gorsuch, the regional judges, Education, Mattis, McMaster, Kelly and on and on…well…I step back and say that in 2016 we were NOT given the choice of a values candidate between him and HRC and the Socialist— So I’ll stop being an arsonist and at least stop trying to burn down the message because of near visceral hatred for Trump, the Messenger.

    I feel much the same way about Coulter but NO—she’s bombastic and often offensive— but NOT a racist and earlier than almost anyone else she pegged the fact the Ted Kennedy was ‘packing the electorate’ with his immigration policies. She DOES get to crow for being right ….

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    • November 18, 2017 at 3:37 pm
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    GTo add to what Julia said: Now that he is President, Donald Trump has apparently changed his mind, and thank God for it, but when he announced his candidacy, he made a point of saying that Mexico was sending us their worst people. Only as an afterthought did he say there were a few good ones too.

    I can’t believe I’m the one called upon to defend The Noble Trump, but here goes: not to quibble, but he didn’t say they were sending their worst – he said they were not sending their best, which included rapists and drug dealers. Taken in a light most favorable to The Noble Trump, he was trying to convey that WE should decide who comes into the country, not the trespassers.

    And he did call for a ban, for at least a while, on all Muslims.

    Look, I know a lady, a very nice woman, who is a friend, who said to me that the area not too far from she lives has changed over the years. So did acknowledge they were good people. But there was no mistaking that she’d rather have people who looked her as neighbors.

    I really think a good part of the Trump vote, especially in the primaries, came from people who did not like Mexicans, and others, coming into this country – legal or illegal.

    Every normal human being prefers the familiar to the foreign. America has been the most generous country in world history, voluntarily taking more refugees and immigrants than every other country combined. But as soon as someone wants to say let’s take a pause or maybe the proportions are not currently correct Racism!!! gets rammed down their throats.

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    Petty B (View Comment):

    GTo add to what Julia said: Now that he is President, Donald Trump has apparently changed his mind, and thank God for it, but when he announced his candidacy, he made a point of saying that Mexico was sending us their worst people. Only as an afterthought did he say there were a few good ones too.

    I can’t believe I’m the one called upon to defend The Noble Trump, but here goes: not to quibble, but he didn’t say they were sending their worst – he said they were not sending their best, which included rapists and drug dealers. Taken in a light most favorable to The Noble Trump, he was trying to convey that WE should decide who comes into the country, not the trespassers.

    And he did call for a ban, for at least a while, on all Muslims.

    Look, I know a lady, a very nice woman, who is a friend, who said to me that the area not too far from she lives has changed over the years. So did acknowledge they were good people. But there was no mistaking that she’d rather have people who looked her as neighbors.

    I really think a good part of the Trump vote, especially in the primaries, came from people who did not like Mexicans, and others, coming into this country – legal or illegal.

    Every normal human being prefers the familiar to the foreign. America has been the most generous country in world history, voluntarily taking more refugees and immigrants than every other country combined. But as soon as someone wants to say let’s take a pause or maybe the proportions are not currently correct Racism!!! gets rammed down their throats.

    I honestly don’t know if Trump is a racist but I do know that he panders to them and encourages their worst impulses. I think he was conveying that its okay to feel rancor against immigrants and not just illegal immigrants, but refugees. I think many heard it loud and clear.

    @Dr.Guido The regulatory reform and immigration/border controls will be reversed with a stroke of the pen. No we didn’t have a choice for a values candidate because Trump came down that elevator and conned and pandered and took that away from us with the help of a minority of foolish primary voters. Much the same thing happened in Alabama. I predicted that Trump would destroy the GOP and that is exactly what is happening. We have been put in the position of having to defend the Confederacy and now I hear the GOP in Alabama defending a 32 year old sniffing around teenagers. The “message” may very well be lost for a generation once Trump and Bannon are done. As for Coulter … she just wants to sell books.

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    I agree Trump brings out the worst in his supporters, but I think the people Mona and Jay were referring to – conservatives and conservative commentators that want reasonable immigration changes like Tom Cotton, Mickey Kaus, etc. – are tarred with Trump’s demagoguery. Just because Joe McCarthy was a jerk doesn’t make anti-communism wrong.

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    • November 18, 2017 at 6:52 pm
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    Re the discussion about porn: Yup. Every word. No, I don’t want to ban it, but it is insidious and destructive and dangerous.

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    • November 18, 2017 at 7:52 pm
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    Petty B (View Comment):

    GTo add to what Julia said: Now that he is President, Donald Trump has apparently changed his mind, and thank God for it, but when he announced his candidacy, he made a point of saying that Mexico was sending us their worst people. Only as an afterthought did he say there were a few good ones too.

    I can’t believe I’m the one called upon to defend The Noble Trump, but here goes: not to quibble, but he didn’t say they were sending their worst – he said they were not sending their best, which included rapists and drug dealers. Taken in a light most favorable to The Noble Trump, he was trying to convey that WE should decide who comes into the country, not the trespassers.

    I admit you are right, Petty B. I stand corrected. I just heard that part of his speech. I could have sworn he said the worst, but he didn’t. He did, however, go on to say that Mexico is sending us their problems: These people are rapists, etc. First of all, to say that Mexico was “sending” us anyone is dubious. The whole speech was designed with xenophobes in mind. I do not believe that Trump is a racist. I do believe, despite his accomplishments, that he is a clown, who does not deserve the office that he has.

    I also agree that is natural to prefer one’s own. But my friend spoke very badly when she first complained about people coming here, and then added that they were good people. It was her emotion that bothered me, without thinking it through.

    The word “Racist” is thrown around carelessly. I only ask people to consider what the U.S. is all about, and realize that we were shaped by people from all different lands. It is our strength. It is why we are exceptional, in a way that no other land is.

    The immigration issue needs to be thought through intelligently, not by stories about how foreigners are raping our women. It is not true, and it seeks to appeal to the worst part of our emotions.

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    • November 19, 2017 at 4:45 am
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    I don’t think Mona gets human sexuality very well. The male sex drive is insane and incessant from 14 to 35. It has always been a source of anti-social behavior and will always be. Also, we are only a couple of years away from having effective and somewhat cheap sexbots. On top of that, feminism and a desire for an unattainable equality between men and women (it will be men who buy the sexbots because men are different) will further alienate secular men and women.

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    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):
    I don’t think Mona gets human sexuality very well. The male sex drive is insane and incessant from 14 to 35. It has always been a source of anti-social behavior and will always be. Also, we are only a couple of years away from having effective and somewhat cheap sexbots. On top of that, feminism and a desire for an unattainable equality between men and women (it will be men who buy the sexbots because men are different) will further alienate secular men and women.

    As a man, I don’t “get” this comment: “The male sex drive is insane and incessant from 14 to 35. It has always been a source of anti-social behavior and will always be.” And? Are you saying that, because this is true, it’s ok to run wild? Sometimes, some women’s emotions get pent up too, in different ways. So? This is what civilization is about. Maturity demands that we contain our natural instincts. I don’t see how alleging that Mona does not understand something is helpful at all. I don’t doubt that you mean well, but, in trying to explain something, I believe you are loosening the standards that we all have tacitly agreed to live by.

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    • November 20, 2017 at 1:38 am
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    George Townsend (View Comment):
    Maturity demands that we contain our natural instincts. I don’t see how alleging that Mona does not understand something is helpful at all. I don’t doubt that you mean well, but, in trying to explain something, I believe you are loosening the standards that we all have tacitly agreed to live by.

    Really? That seems a little extreme to me. Anyway, men and women have always and succumbed to their nature. Mona and Jay in my estimation severely underestimate how much of humanity’s bad behavior comes from, well, humanity itself.

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    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    George Townsend (View Comment):
    Maturity demands that we contain our natural instincts. I don’t see how alleging that Mona does not understand something is helpful at all. I don’t doubt that you mean well, but, in trying to explain something, I believe you are loosening the standards that we all have tacitly agreed to live by.

    Really? That seems a little extreme to me. Anyway, men and women have always and succumbed to their nature. Mona and Jay in my estimation severely underestimate how much of humanity’s bad behavior comes from, well, humanity itself.

    Yes, really. I don’t understand why you are persisting in this. Yes, there has always been evil. Ever since Cain murdered Abel.

    I do have congratulate you, though, Henry. I’ve never know anyone who was willing to acquiesce to these evils, instead of wanting to urge humanity to try and put an end to it. They never will, of course. But the acquiescing is what is troubling.

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    George Townsend (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    George Townsend (View Comment):
    Maturity demands that we contain our natural instincts. I don’t see how alleging that Mona does not understand something is helpful at all. I don’t doubt that you mean well, but, in trying to explain something, I believe you are loosening the standards that we all have tacitly agreed to live by.

    Really? That seems a little extreme to me. Anyway, men and women have always and succumbed to their nature. Mona and Jay in my estimation severely underestimate how much of humanity’s bad behavior comes from, well, humanity itself.

    Yes, really. I don’t understand why you are persisting in this. Yes, there has always been evil. Ever since Cain murdered Abel.

    I do have congratulate you, though, Henry. I’ve never known anyone who was willing to acquiesce to these evils, instead of wanting to urge humanity to try and put an end to it. They never will, of course. But the acquiescing is what is troubling. Thank you for introducing yourself to me. New experiances are always educational.

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    • November 20, 2017 at 6:05 am
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    Mona Charen and Jay Nordlinger need not apologize for being less than upbeat in their last podcast. Besides, as they say themselves, the good news is that Americans may (!) finally be having second thoughts about the sexual revolution, which I observed as a young adult in the 1960s. Though very much on the political left, I was always wary of the social left—and that was a major factor in my “conversion” to the right…Reference to “Ozzie and Harriet” always makes me wince, as it generally misleads. The television fantasy world of that era adhered to a well-defined code but without serious intellectual or moral content. It was taken for granted that mommies and daddies were married to each other and stayed married; there were also public service announcements, urging viewers to “attend the church or synagogue of [their] choice.” But the nicey-nicey white suburbanites in the television comedies never did, and anything smacking of “sectarianism” was as taboo as the slightest hint of teenage pregnancy or drug addiction. All it took was radical individualism and hedonism, dressed up as faux-idealism, to spawn that awful “new generation, with a new explanation.” When my aging but stubbornly “liberal” friends read about Hugh Hefner’s having had two women perform a lesbian act while he masturbated to porn, they can only mutter “how tacky!” and then quickly add that HH nonetheless “did a lot of good.” Morality? No. There is only the law, with preference given to politically correct law. Asked which is more reprehensible, seeking sex with 14-year-olds or politely declining to bake wedding cakes for same-sex couples, they waver…

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    Wolfsheim (View Comment):
    Mona Charen and Jay Nordlinger need not apologize for being less than upbeat in their last podcast. Besides, as they say themselves, the good news is that Americans may (!) finally be having second thoughts about the sexual revolution, which I observed as a young adult in the 1960s. Though very much on the political left, I was always wary of the social left—and that was a major factor in my “conversion” to the right…Reference to “Ozzie and Harriet” always makes me wince, as it generally misleads. The television fantasy world of that era adhered to a well-defined code but without serious intellectual or moral content. It was taken for granted that mommies and daddies were married to each other and stayed married; there were also public service announcements, urging viewers to “attend the church or synagogue of [their] choice.” But the nicey-nicey white suburbanites in the television comedies never did, and anything smacking of “sectarianism” was as taboo as the slightest hint of teenage pregnancy or drug addiction. All it took was radical individualism and hedonism, dressed up as faux-idealism, to spawn that awful “new generation, with a new explanation.” When my aging but stubbornly “liberal” friends read about Hugh Hefner’s having had two women perform a lesbian act while he masturbated to porn, they can only mutter “how tacky!” and then quickly add that HH nonetheless “did a lot of good.” Morality? No. There is only the law, with preference given to politically correct law. Asked which is more reprehensible, seeking sex with 14-year-olds or politely declining to bake wedding cakes for same-sex couples, they waver…

    Thanks, Wolfsheim. Nice to have another sane voice in the comments!

    Many of us have undergone conversions. When you are young, you are just too arrogant and full of yourself to think things through. Unfortunately, some never get over that part of adolescence.

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    • November 20, 2017 at 8:27 am
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    I believe Jay and Mona, living by choice in 2 of America’s gateway cities, have a blind spot with regards to immigration and therefore do not have insight into conservative responses (not near as monolithic as they suggest). Sure there are benefits to immigration. I know that. But the university hospital where I work [not on a coast and 2-3 states from any international border (one of the states being the biggest in the lower 48-TX] now has Spanish and Arabic directions on the floor of the hospital. Most of the care these groups are receiving is paid for by the American tax payer. This is both a cultural affront and a fiscal one. We have $20 trillion dollars accumulated debt. How can the first taste of freedom immigrants have in this country be dependency on the society as a whole? How does that square with the writings of Burke or Kirk?

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    Gromrus (View Comment):
    I believe Jay and Mona, living by choice in 2 of America’s gateway cities, have a blind spot with regards to immigration and therefore do not have insight into conservative responses (not near as monolithic as they suggest). Sure there are benefits to immigration. I know that. But the university hospital where I work [not on a coast and 2-3 states from any international border (one of the states being the biggest in the lower 48-TX] now has Spanish and Arabic directions on the floor of the hospital. Most of the care these groups are receiving is paid for by the American tax payer. This is both a cultural affront and a fiscal one. We have $20 trillion dollars accumulated debt. How can the first taste of freedom immigrants have in this country be dependency on the society as a whole? How does that square with the writings of Burke or Kirk?

    I believe you do have a point. I also believe two other things:

    1. Work with Mexico (and maybe other lands), to try and build up their economies, so that their people will see no need to steal across the border for a better life.
    2. Really fix the immigration system, to make it mean something, to go through the rigors of becoming an American, so that coming here will not seem so attractive that some real diligence is not required.
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    @Gromrus…Mona and Jay seem to be taking a textbook approach—literally—to immigration. Kind of reminds me of Merkel believing that (unfettered, un-vetted??) immigration is an intrinsic good as the textbooks she adopted tell her and then ignoring the ripples in the pond when a boulder called Islam gets tossed in a lake called Secular/Judeo/Christian Europe.

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    George Townsend (View Comment):
    I do have congratulate you, though, Henry. I’ve never know anyone who was willing to acquiesce to these evils, instead of wanting to urge humanity to try and put an end to it. They never will, of course. But the acquiescing is what is troubling.

    Oh dear lord, this is like when I said how a majority of women in Egypt approve of FGM and somehow that meant I approve of FGM. Where did I mention acquiescence to our bestial nature?

    Thankfully, Andrew Klavan has made my point better than I did and his observations with regard to humanity seem to me more closely aligned with humanity than Jay or Mona’s in this case. Listen for two minutes and he explains everything.

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    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    George Townsend (View Comment):
    I do have congratulate you, though, Henry. I’ve never know anyone who was willing to acquiesce to these evils, instead of wanting to urge humanity to try and put an end to it. They never will, of course. But the acquiescing is what is troubling.

    Oh dear lord, this is like when I said how a majority of women in Egypt approve of FGM and somehow that meant I approve of FGM. Where did I mention acquiescence to our bestial nature?

    Thankfully, Andrew Klavan has made my point better than I did and his observations with regard to humanity seem to me more closely aligned with humanity than Jay or Mona’s in this case. Listen for two minutes and he explains everything.

    I actually listened to three minutes of it, and the one thing I got from it is that Steve Bannan is even more loathsome than I thought. Thank you for that.

    Speaking of the Daily Wire, I listen to Ben Sharpiro. Other than Mona and Jay, he makes more sense than most ten people speaking today. And I bet you he couldn’t make any more sense out of what you trying to get at than I can. If you aren’t acquiescing in evil, why make excuses for the bad behavior of some men? All I said was that men need to curtail their natural instincts. This is what civilization is all about. And you act is if I just stopped by from Mars!

    I love old movies. And to quote a line from the original Miracle on 34th Street: “I don’t get it. I just don’t get it”!!

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    Love when Mona and Jay go full prude. Didn’t hold back in this one. The Left needs to eat that they’ve brought all this on with their decades of cultural destruction. Defending Slick Willy alone set this stuff back 20 years, as you guys noted. I blame them for Trump too. Time for them to reflect. The porn issue is another one that American feminists totally ignore, what with unrestricted abortion being their guiding light.

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