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  1. Profile Photo Member

    Border control = Trumpism.

    Open borders = Conservatism.

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    • October 30, 2017, at 7:50 AM PST
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  2. Rightfromthestart Coolidge

    You guys are both riding that old ‘approval numbers’ horse pretty hard, isn’t that the same horse that had Hillary winning in a landslide?

    Has it occurred to you that since anyone who says something approving of Trump is in danger of having their lives ruined by black hooded thugs and their ‘tolerant’ media allies what you might be witnessing is the Bradley effect, basically people will tell the pollsters whatever won’t get them beaten up.

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    • October 30, 2017, at 8:09 AM PST
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  3. George Townsend Inactive

    Rightfromthestart (View Comment):
    Has it occurred to you that since anyone who says something approving of Trump is in danger of having their lives ruined by black hooded thugs and their ‘tolerant’ media allies what you might be witnessing is the Bradley effect, basically people will tell the pollsters whatever won’t get them beaten up.

    Name one person who has had his – or her – life ruined by supporting Trump!

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    • October 30, 2017, at 8:56 AM PST
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  4. George Townsend Inactive

    Rightfromthestart (View Comment):
    You guys are both riding that old ‘approval numbers’ horse pretty hard, isn’t that the same horse that had Hillary winning in a landslide?

    Forgive me, I forgot to mention where you contradict yourself: First you say the polls are ridiculous, then you say that people are lying. The fact is that they were not that wrong to begin with. It is the interpretation of them that was bad.

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    • October 30, 2017, at 9:01 AM PST
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  5. Rightfromthestart Coolidge

    NBC poll 900 people , over 40% Democrat

    as far as lives ruined

    https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20170317/north-center/trump-supporters-say-theyre-being-run-out-of-business-chicago

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    • October 30, 2017, at 10:53 AM PST
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  6. George Townsend Inactive

    Rightfromthestart (View Comment):
    NBC poll 900 people , over 40% Democrat

    as far as lives ruined

    https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20170317/north-center/trump-supporters-say-theyre-being-run-out-of-business-chicago

    As far as the poll is concerned: What about the remaining 60%? The fact that 40% were Democrats tells me nothing. Trump could not have won Michigan or Pennsylvania, and probably other areas, without Democrat support.

    You are on firmer ground with the article. It is horrible that anybody would boycott a store because of the politics of the owners. That’s crazy, and I would never condone it – unless the owners were rallying anti-American types to attack the country!

    While not condoning the conduct of some anti-Trump people, some the more rabid supporters are just as bad. They call well-known people – Mona Charen comes to mind – all kinds of names, and refuse to read their columns, because they don’t like Trump.

    I condemn the Anti-Trump people who subject Trump voters to vile activity. Will you do the same when it comes to those pro-Trumpers who say such vile things about people who find his behavior not to their liking?

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    • October 30, 2017, at 12:12 PM PST
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  7. Max Ledoux Admin

    Some conservatives have put considerable effort into fighting Trump. They are very passionate about it. They won’t stand up for their principles in Congress, but gosh darnit, they’ll say Trump is a meanie. (And spend millions of dollars on Superpac expenditures opposing him.)

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    • October 30, 2017, at 12:45 PM PST
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  8. George Townsend Inactive

    Max Ledoux (View Comment):
    Some conservatives have put considerable effort into fighting Trump. They are very passionate about it. They won’t stand up for their principles in Congress, but gosh darnit, they’ll say Trump is a meanie. (And spend millions of dollars on Superpac expenditures opposing him.)

    This is a pretty broad statement.

    I would say it is the other way around. People like Steve Bannan have no principles, other than to fight what he calls The Establishment. He supports people who can in no way can be described as conservative. Just one example will do: He proposed a new tax rate on rich people. And Trump himself will not get away from the talk about a new, higher tax bracket.

    It is isn’t that Trump is “a meanie” that have folk like me to look at him very skeptically. It is that he doesn’t believe in anything. He has done conservative things, sure. But why not give Pence the credit he deserves for these things?

    Incidentally, if being “a meanie” means that he doesn’t uphold the standards of our Western Civilization, which is that of Moral and Manners, which we conservatives want to conserve, than, yes, he is “a meanie”.

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    • October 30, 2017, at 1:31 PM PST
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  9. Chris Member

    Paula Reid’s comments about Mueller seemed like an echo of those made about Comey – gosh, he’s just the hardest working straight shooter trusted by Presidents from both sides. I’m not so sure it will remain that way as the House investigation continues to churn away and bring us up to speed on the “don’t look here” machinations of the Democratic machine, Fusion, and the FBI.

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    • October 30, 2017, at 10:59 PM PST
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  10. LibertyDefender Member

    George Townsend (View Comment):

    Rightfromthestart (View Comment):
    Has it occurred to you that since anyone who says something approving of Trump is in danger of having their lives ruined by black hooded thugs and their ‘tolerant’ media allies what you might be witnessing is the Bradley effect, basically people will tell the pollsters whatever won’t get them beaten up.

    Name one person who has had his – or her – life ruined by supporting Trump!

    George, go back and listen to Michael’s podcast about “Tolerant Liberals” on the attack. You don’t even need to say something nice about Trump to have your life and business ruined.

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    • October 31, 2017, at 6:37 AM PST
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  11. Max Ledoux Admin

    LibertyDefender (View Comment):
    George, go back and listen to Michael’s podcast about “Tolerant Liberals” on the attack. You don’t even need to say something nice about Trump to have your life and business ruined.

    “Tolerant” Liberals on the Attack!

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    • October 31, 2017, at 6:45 AM PST
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  12. LibertyDefender Member

    George Townsend (View Comment):
    some the more rabid supporters are just as bad. They call well-known people – Mona Charen comes to mind – all kinds of names, and refuse to read their columns, because they don’t like Trump.

    I gave up listening to Mona Charen and Jay Nordlinger’s NEED TO KNOW podcast not because they don’t like Trump, but because they refuse to acknowledge any Trump action as good for many of not all Americans. I believe it was Andrew Klavan’s podcast where he asked Mona to cite just one positive aspect of Trump and she refused. Sorry Mona, but that’s just irrational. His speech to the UN was brilliant – best one given there by any western leader in at least 30 years.

    You are painting with a broad brush, George, and you’re not giving examples or naming names.

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    • October 31, 2017, at 6:45 AM PST
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  13. LibertyDefender Member

    Chris (View Comment):
    Paula Reid’s comments about Mueller seemed like an echo of those made about Comey – gosh, he’s just the hardest working straight shooter trusted by Presidents from both sides.

    And then she went on to remind us all how important it was that Hillary received such careful scrutiny of her private email server and her knowledge of “markings” of classified information she was sending and receiving. Boy oh boy @michaelgraham Michael, that’s one intrepid journalist you have there in Paula Reid. She bravely parroted MSM talking points.

    What say you invite her back on your podcast along with Cheryl Atkisson, whose investigative journalism efforts were killed – by CBS, wasn’t it? – when they exposed wrongdoing in the Obama administration. The same Obama administration where Hillary was violating the law by conducting federal government business using a private email account on a private email domain on a private email server.

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    • October 31, 2017, at 6:56 AM PST
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  14. George Townsend Inactive

    LibertyDefender (View Comment):
    You are painting with a broad brush, George, and you’re not giving examples or naming names.

    By pointing out Mona said things with which you disagree you both refute your allegation that I didn’t name names, and prove mine, that you won’t listen to people with whom you disagree. I could sight more names, by the way: The people from National Review, from Commentary. People who are adamantly pro-Trump hate Podhoretz because he finds fault with Trump. These things just can’t be denied. Back in the primaries, when Cruz tried to meet with Trump supporters, all they did was call him names. And interrupt him. I personally had a friend – I thought she was a friend – who accused me of wanting more government because she refused to listen to what I was writing to her, and like the type of Populist talk-radio types that I shy away from him.

    I said to Rightfromthestart that I condemn!those people who boycott people who are pro-Trump, and challenged him to condemn those who boycott people who are skeptical of Trump. I still have not received an answer.

    Fair is fair. There are haters on both sides. And I have seen no person as willing to be as intolerant as many on the left are, as the person who is on Trump’s side no matter what!

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    • October 31, 2017, at 9:18 AM PST
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  15. George Townsend Inactive

    Max Ledoux (View Comment):

    LibertyDefender (View Comment):
    George, go back and listen to Michael’s podcast about “Tolerant Liberals” on the attack. You don’t even need to say something nice about Trump to have your life and business ruined.

    “Tolerant” Liberals on the Attack!

    When did I ever say that liberals were intolerant? Come on, Max, you just make up stuff about me because I don’t like Trump. I told that other guy that I condemn intolerance. He won’t – and I guess you won’t either – condemn it when it is on your side.

    I have had nice discussions with one of Trump’s biggest defenders – Dave Carter. He and I respect each other. You seem to hate me. That is fine. I guess neither of us will change our minds. Except I know who the more tolerant one is.

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    • October 31, 2017, at 9:26 AM PST
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  16. LibertyDefender Member

    George Townsend (View Comment):
    By pointing out Mona said things with which you disagree you both refute your allegation that I didn’t name names, and prove mine, that you won’t listen to people with whom you disagree.

    You’re kidding, right George? Since I identified something Mona Charen said with which I disagree, that proves that YOU gave examples and named names? That’s a good one, George.

    George Townsend (View Comment):
    I could sight more names, by the way: The people from National Review, from Commentary. People who are adamantly pro-Trump hate Podhoretz because he finds fault with Trump. These things just can’t be denied. Back in the primaries, when Cruz tried to meet with Trump supporters, all they did was call him names.

    (italics mine) With all due respect George, “people” and “they” are not names. I understand that you’re upset, but by your description you’re upset by a general feeling that you have, you’re not upset with specific acts. That’s very common with the left these days, including especially within the Democrat-media complex. It’s also the malady that evidently has stricken Mona Charen, who refused to give credit to Donald Trump for so much as a single act when Andrew Klavan asked her to do so.

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    • October 31, 2017, at 10:01 AM PST
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  17. George Townsend Inactive

    George Townsend (View Comment):
    While not condoning the conduct of some anti-Trump people, some the more rabid supporters are just as bad. They call well-known people – Mona Charen comes to mind – all kinds of names, and refuse to read their columns, because they don’t like Trump.

    The above is what I originally wrote, which shows that I brought up Mona. I admit I didn’t hear her on Klaven. What I do know, because I am a devotee of Need to Know, is that she is fair. She just wonders if Neal Gorsuch was worth what Trump has done. It is her opinion and she has a right to it. It shouldn’t mean that those who disagree should stop listening, or that she is anything but a lovely – and fair – Lady!

    LibertyDefender (View Comment):
    (italics mine) With all due respect George, “people” and “they” are not names. I understand that you’re upset, but by your description you’re upset by a general feeling that you have, you’re not upset with specific acts. That’s very common with the left these days, including especially within the Democrat-media complex. It’s also the malady that evidently has stricken Mona Charen, who refused to give credit to Donald Trump for so much as a single act when Andrew Klavan asked her to do so.

    With all due respect – as you said – I specifically mentioned Podhoretz and the folk at Commentary. And people know who is at NR: Kevin, Jonah, Rich Lowry, etc. Must I stay all stay here all day because Trump people want to nitpik to death? You associate me with the Left. Nothing says Leftist Intolerance more than a personal who will not tolerate those who do not worship Trump. I could respect you more if you’d admit you hate anyone who does not imitate Sean Hannity!

    One more thing: I specifically mentioned my erstwhile friend, and how rude she was to me. And how rudely Cruz was treated. Nothing from you about those specifics.

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    • October 31, 2017, at 2:49 PM PST
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  18. Michael Graham Podcaster

    LibertyDefender (View Comment):

    Chris (View Comment):
    Paula Reid’s comments about Mueller seemed like an echo of those made about Comey – gosh, he’s just the hardest working straight shooter trusted by Presidents from both sides.

    And then she went on to remind us all how important it was that Hillary received such careful scrutiny of her private email server and her knowledge of “markings” of classified information she was sending and receiving. Boy oh boy @michaelgraham Michael, that’s one intrepid journalist you have there in Paula Reid. She bravely parroted MSM talking points.

    What say you invite her back on your podcast along with Cheryl Atkisson, whose investigative journalism efforts were killed – by CBS, wasn’t it? – when they exposed wrongdoing in the Obama administration. The same Obama administration where Hillary was violating the law by conducting federal government business using a private email account on a private email domain on a private email server.

    Thanks for the note–I’ve had Sharyl Attkisson on before and I will again!

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    • October 31, 2017, at 3:13 PM PST
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  19. George Townsend Inactive

    LibertyDefender (View Comment):
    I believe it was Andrew Klavan’s podcast where he asked Mona to cite just one positive aspect of Trump and she refused. Sorry Mona, but that’s just irrational. His speech to the UN was brilliant – best one given there by any western leader in at least 30 years.

    I went back and listened to the Klaven show. Yes, Mona was very negative about Trump. But it was about him. Not his speeches. Not about his policies. About him.

    One of the commenters about that show said that he knows that people like Mona and Jay hate him. Mona specifically said she had nothing but the warm feelings for people who voted for Trump. They were given a terrible choice.

    People like you, on the other hand, have made a cottage industry out of hating people like Mona and me. We tell the truth about him. And you Can’t Handle The Truth!

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    • November 1, 2017, at 6:11 AM PST
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  20. LibertyDefender Member

    George Townsend (View Comment):
    People like you, on the other hand, have made a cottage industry out of hating people like Mona and me.

    George, can you identify anything that I have said or done that indicates that I hate you, or Mona, or people like Mona and you?

    You’re expressing your feelings, George, I don’t deny that. But your feelings are based on your feelings, they are not based on anything that I have done. The same goes for Mona. She’s upset about Trump, about him, as you point out, she’s not upset about the things Trump has done – many of which help the causes she promotes. I cannot change your feelings or Mona’s feelings, but that doesn’t mean I hate you or Mona or people like you and Mona.

    Does it?

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    • November 1, 2017, at 11:11 AM PST
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  21. George Townsend Inactive

    LibertyDefender (View Comment):

    George Townsend (View Comment):
    People like you, on the other hand, have made a cottage industry out of hating people like Mona and me.

    George, can you identify anything that I have said or done that indicates that I hate you, or Mona, or people like Mona and you?

    You’re expressing your feelings, George, I don’t deny that. But your feelings are based on your feelings, they are not based on anything that I have done. The same goes for Mona. She’s upset about Trump, about him, as you point out, she’s not upset about the things Trump has done – many of which help the causes she promotes. I cannot change your feelings or Mona’s feelings, but that doesn’t mean I hate you or Mona or people like you and Mona.

    Does it?

    I cannot read hearts. Even if I wanted to, it would as foolish as attempting to predict the winners of the next three World Series, Superbowls, and PGAs – plus I don’t follow any sports!

    I like to think that I never let my feelings get in the way. If I owe you an apology, consider it tendered. It is just that, in our limited colloquies, I get the thought that you’ve changed over the duration of them. Now, you are fairly quiescent. Before, you would never listen to Mona, accusing her of not given Trump credit for anything. Now, you seem to concede my point that is the man she can’t stand. Before, you would not take me on about mentioning specifics – you now seem to indicate, without saying so, that maybe you don’t feel as badly as I detected before.

    I am glad you have mellowed. I thank you for that, and hope I’ve had something to do with it. And I wish you a good night. To parrot Roy Rodgers and his Sweetheart: Happy Trails!

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    • November 1, 2017, at 3:47 PM PST
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  22. LibertyDefender Member

    George Townsend (View Comment):
    People like you, on the other hand, have made a cottage industry out of hating people like Mona and me.

    George Townsend (View Comment):
    I cannot read hearts.

    I don’t know how to square the above two statements of yours. You claim to know that I and others hate, yet you cannot read hearts. You’re upset.

    George Townsend (View Comment):
    Before, you would never listen to Mona, accusing her of not given Trump credit for anything. Now, you seem to concede my point that is the man she can’t stand.

    I used to listen to Mona.

    LibertyDefender (View Comment):
    I gave up listening to Mona Charen and Jay Nordlinger’s NEED TO KNOW podcast not because they don’t like Trump, but because they refuse to acknowledge any Trump action as good for many of not all Americans. I believe it was Andrew Klavan’s podcast where he asked Mona to cite just one positive aspect of Trump and she refused.

    The point I’m “conceding” is exactly what I said before. Mona is irrationally upset with Trump (with “him,” as you put it), and she refuses to acknowledge that many of his actions are helpful to causes she supports. Ben Shapiro admits that Trump has done good things. If Mona would admit as much, I might listen to her podcast again. Yet she refuses, as she refused on Andrew Klavan’s podcast.

    George Townsend (View Comment):
    maybe you don’t feel as badly as I detected before.

    It is all about feelings with you, isn’t it George? You can’t read hearts, but you detected that I felt bad.

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    • November 1, 2017, at 4:28 PM PST
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  23. George Townsend Inactive

    LibertyDefender (View Comment):

    George Townsend (View Comment):
    People like you, on the other hand, have made a cottage industry out of hating people like Mona and me.

    George Townsend (View Comment):
    I cannot read hearts.

    I don’t know how to square the above two statements of yours. You claim to know that I and others hate, yet you cannot read hearts. You’re upset.

    George Townsend (View Comment):
    Before, you would never listen to Mona, accusing her of not given Trump credit for anything. Now, you seem to concede my point that is the man she can’t stand.

    I used to listen to Mona.

    LibertyDefender (View Comment):
    I gave up listening to Mona Charen and Jay Nordlinger’s NEED TO KNOW podcast not because they don’t like Trump, but because they refuse to acknowledge any Trump action as good for many of not all Americans. I believe it was Andrew Klavan’s podcast where he asked Mona to cite just one positive aspect of Trump and she refused.

    The point I’m “conceding” is exactly what I said before. Mona is irrationally upset with Trump (with “him,” as you put it), and she refuses to acknowledge that many of his actions are helpful to causes she supports. Ben Shapiro admits that Trump has done good things. If Mona would admit as much, I might listen to her podcast again. Yet she refuses, as she refused on Andrew Klavan’s podcast.

    George Townsend (View Comment):
    maybe you don’t feel as badly as I detected before.

    It is all about feelings with you, isn’t it George? You can’t read hearts, but you detected that I felt bad.

    I am sorry. I tried to end this on a good note. You refuse. Mona is not irrational. It is as I stated: Donald Trump is not a good man. People like you think that policy is everything. People like Mona and me know better. It is not about feelings with me. It is about morals. About manners. About character. Trump has none of these. He says good things when others write them for him. He does good things when others suggest them to him. I am sorry you can’t see that. I am sorry to quote a liberal, but I will: Good night. And good luck.

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    • November 1, 2017, at 7:18 PM PST
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  24. Max Ledoux Admin

    George Townsend (View Comment):
    By pointing out Mona said things with which you disagree you both refute your allegation that I didn’t name names, and prove mine, that you won’t listen to people with whom you disagree.

    How does LibertyDefender know what Mona said if LibertyDefender doesn’t listen to people with whom LibertyDefender disagrees?

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    • November 2, 2017, at 7:19 AM PST
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  25. Max Ledoux Admin

    George Townsend (View Comment):

    Max Ledoux (View Comment):

    LibertyDefender (View Comment):
    George, go back and listen to Michael’s podcast about “Tolerant Liberals” on the attack. You don’t even need to say something nice about Trump to have your life and business ruined.

    “Tolerant” Liberals on the Attack!

    When did I ever say that liberals were intolerant? Come on, Max, you just make up stuff about me because I don’t like Trump. I told that other guy that I condemn intolerance. He won’t – and I guess you won’t either – condemn it when it is on your side.

    George, all I did was provide the link to the episode that LibertyDefender mentioned, so that other people (including you) could listen to it if they wanted to. I’m not sure how you interpreted that as me making up stuff about you.

    I have had nice discussions with one of Trump’s biggest defenders – Dave Carter. He and I respect each other. You seem to hate me.

    Say what? Come again? Huh? What on Earth?

    That is fine. I guess neither of us will change our minds. Except I know who the more tolerant one is.

    Uh, no. No you do not. You are quite confused on that matter.

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    • November 2, 2017, at 7:27 AM PST
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  26. George Townsend Inactive

    Max Ledoux (View Comment):

    George Townsend (View Comment):
    By pointing out Mona said things with which you disagree you both refute your allegation that I didn’t name names, and prove mine, that you won’t listen to people with whom you disagree.

    How does LibertyDefender know what Mona said if LibertyDefender doesn’t listen to people with whom LibertyDefender disagrees?

    Apparently, he listens to Klaven. And Mona was on his show. Next?

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    • November 2, 2017, at 1:37 PM PST
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  27. George Townsend Inactive

    Max Ledoux (View Comment):

    George Townsend (View Comment):

    Max Ledoux (View Comment):

    LibertyDefender (View Comment):
    George, go back and listen to Michael’s podcast about “Tolerant Liberals” on the attack. You don’t even need to say something nice about Trump to have your life and business ruined.

    “Tolerant” Liberals on the Attack!

    When did I ever say that liberals were intolerant? Come on, Max, you just make up stuff about me because I don’t like Trump. I told that other guy that I condemn intolerance. He won’t – and I guess you won’t either – condemn it when it is on your side.

    George, all I did was provide the link to the episode that LibertyDefender mentioned, so that other people (including you) could listen to it if they wanted to. I’m not sure how you interpreted that as me making up stuff about you.

    I have had nice discussions with one of Trump’s biggest defenders – Dave Carter. He and I respect each other. You seem to hate me.

    Say what? Come again? Huh? What on Earth?

    That is fine. I guess neither of us will change our minds. Except I know who the more tolerant one is.

    Uh, no. No you do not. You are quite confused on that matter.

    Unlike die hard supporters of Trump, I do not confuse easily. I was pointing out that Dave Carter, who is pretty close to a die hard Trump supporter, can talk to each other pleasantly. We respect each other. I do not believe that either Liberty defender or you respect me, or Mona Charen, or pretty much anyone else who does not idolize Trump.

    I further believe both of you – unlike my friend Dave – are intolerant.

    You can answer if you want to, and make up more lies about me, but I refuse to waste my time going back and forth with people who will not listen or learn.

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    • November 2, 2017, at 1:45 PM PST
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  28. Max Ledoux Admin

    George Townsend (View Comment):
    You can answer if you want to, and make up more lies about me, but I refuse to waste my time going back and forth with people who will not listen or learn.

    Seriously, what are you talking about?

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    • November 4, 2017, at 9:13 PM PST
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