Why All the Shock and Outrage?

 

I guess I’m mystified a bit by the shock and outrage at Biden’s betrayal of Israel. Biden has always been a slug, and one who associates with slugs. He and all of his associates continually traffic in lies. I don’t want to burst anyone’s bubble, but this aspect of Biden and his cronies is not exactly some kind of national secret. So what wise national leader is there, anywhere, who would ever actually trust Joe Biden for anything?

have to believe that Israel is not surprised by these events. At all. I suspect they have alternatives. If they went into Gaza wholly dependent on Joe Biden, of all people, to achieve their strategic goals and without any plan B, then they are both incompetent and infantile. I don’t think they’re either of those things.

So I will be more than a little surprised if Israel doesn’t proceed, undaunted, to crush Hamas. After which Biden will probably be blamed by Israel’s enemies for not betraying Israel sooner, while also now being blamed by Israel’s friends, for betraying Israel at all. Thus Biden will have achieved a politically imbecilic kind of hat trick. A maneuver that has turned into kind of a signature move.

Time will tell, I suppose. I myself would prefer to live in uninteresting times. But, to paraphrase Gandalf, “That is not for me to decide”.

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  1. Susan Quinn Member
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    That is precisely how things will unfold: Israel will destroy Hamas in Rafah. If they don’t get the precision bombs because Biden refuses to send them, then they will bomb Hamas to kingdom come. So be it.

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  2. lowtech redneck Coolidge
    lowtech redneck
    @lowtech redneck

    Kind of reminds me of people who are shocked by widespread anti-semitic campus riots by the Left after the BLM and Antifa riots of 2020.

     

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  3. WI Con Member
    WI Con
    @WICon

    Look for more nations to align with the Russo-Chinese & BRICS sphere. I wouldn’t blame them at all. 

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  4. Bob Thompson Member
    Bob Thompson
    @BobThompson

    I agree what this says about Biden, which I have long known. What does it say about others who hold our foreign policy fate in their hands?

    CIA and NSA

    Defense Department

    State Department

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  5. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    @DaveSchmidt

    Perhaps we should talk more about the Biden Administration.  We need to roust each and everyone out of any position of public trust for the rest of their lives.  

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  6. E. Kent Golding Moderator
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    WI Con (View Comment):

    Look for more nations to align with the Russo-Chinese & BRICS sphere. I wouldn’t blame them at all.

    Not wanting to align with weakness and/or idiocy, or some other reason?  Even when the less evil is stupid,  I still blame nations and people for aligning with the more evil.

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  7. E. Kent Golding Moderator
    E. Kent Golding
    @EKentGolding

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    I agree what this says about Biden, which I have long known. What does it say about others who hold our foreign policy fate in their hands?

    CIA and NSA

    Defense Department

    State Department

    Nothing.  It is all on Biden.    Unfortunately,  the agencies you listed have all been staffed by Obama and Biden.

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  8. Bob Thompson Member
    Bob Thompson
    @BobThompson

    E. Kent Golding (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    I agree what this says about Biden, which I have long known. What does it say about others who hold our foreign policy fate in their hands?

    CIA and NSA

    Defense Department

    State Department

    Nothing. It is all on Biden. Unfortunately, the agencies you listed have all been staffed by Obama and Biden.

    There’s more going on within those permanent bureaucracies than you acknowledge here, @ekentgolding

    • #8
  9. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Outrage can always be appropriate, but nobody should be shocked any more.  Especially not the Andy McCarthys and Peter Robinsons.

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  10. Bob Thompson Member
    Bob Thompson
    @BobThompson

    Keith Lowery: I don’t want to burst anyone’s bubble, but this aspect of Biden and his cronies is not exactly some kind of national secret. So what wise national leader is there, anywhere, who would ever actually trust Joe Biden for anything?

    This is where we mislead ourselves as conservatives who believe in honoring our Constitutional roots.

    I was at a senior level in the old Civil Service prior to the creation of the Senior Executive Service (SES) to replace management level grades GS-16,17, and 18.  At that time, political appointees at these levels were designated Schedule C, and had no permanent civil service status. They were customarily terminated with a change in administration.

    When the SES was created, some were permanent CS employees and some were political appointees. I suspect many normal civil service status positions were taken over by Obama appointees being converted and much the same process took place in the Office of Management and Budget (OMB), the Office of Personnel Management (OPM), and in State Department Foreign Service Positions. Likely the same in the CIA and the NSA. These are the posts that run the federal bureaucracy as we saw during President Trump’s tenure. It is also what I think I see with Biden, augmented by other appointees.

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  11. Randy Weivoda Moderator
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    @RandyWeivoda

    Keith Lowery: Thus Biden will have achieved a politically imbecilic kind of hat trick. A maneuver that has turned into kind of a signature move.

    Very, very true.

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  12. The Reticulator Member
    The Reticulator
    @TheReticulator

    Keith Lowery: I guess I’m mystified a bit by the shock and outrage at Biden’s betrayal of Israel

    I wasn’t aware that there was any shock and outrage at which to be mystified. Where are you seeing this? 

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  13. Keith Lowery Coolidge
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    @keithlowery

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Keith Lowery: I guess I’m mystified a bit by the shock and outrage at Biden’s betrayal of Israel

    I wasn’t aware that there was any shock and outrage at which to be mystified. Where are you seeing this?

    Mostly in the media and on X/Twitter.

    • #13
  14. Tex929rr Coolidge
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    @Tex929rr

    Keith Lowery:

    So I will be more than a little surprised if Israel doesn’t proceed, undaunted, to crush Hamas. After which Biden will probably be blamed by Israel’s enemies for not betraying Israel sooner, while also now being blamed by Israel’s friends, for betraying Israel at all. Thus Biden will have achieved a politically imbecilic kind of hat trick. A maneuver that has turned into kind of a signature move.

    Perfect summary.  A man with no principles finally backed into a corner.  Everyone in his life has used him and he has always been too stupid to see it.  Currently it’s BHO and his evil wife. Who don’t even use him for the same thing, but will use him until he is used up.  It should be a classic play about hubris and integrity; almost too unreal to be true.

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  15. The Reticulator Member
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    Keith Lowery (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Keith Lowery: I guess I’m mystified a bit by the shock and outrage at Biden’s betrayal of Israel

    I wasn’t aware that there was any shock and outrage at which to be mystified. Where are you seeing this?

    Mostly in the media and on X/Twitter.

    I’m curious about the media.  Which media?  The WSJ editorial page is opposed to this move, as I would expect, but I wouldn’t call it shock and outrage.

    Edit:  Here’s the URL.

    And here’s a Letter to the Editor.  Not sure that I’d call it sh0ck and outrage, either.

    And here’s the WSJ asking where the shock and outrage is on a completely separate issue.

    I find the use of the the phrase to be very confusing.

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  16. Keith Lowery Coolidge
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    @keithlowery

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Keith Lowery (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Keith Lowery: I guess I’m mystified a bit by the shock and outrage at Biden’s betrayal of Israel

    I wasn’t aware that there was any shock and outrage at which to be mystified. Where are you seeing this?

    Mostly in the media and on X/Twitter.

    I’m curious about the media. Which media? The WSJ editorial page is opposed to this move, as I would expect, but I wouldn’t call it shock and outrage.

    Image

    Daily Wire, any number of politicians (both Democrats and Republicans), also various special interest groups.

    • #16
  17. The Reticulator Member
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    @TheReticulator

    Keith Lowery (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Keith Lowery (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Keith Lowery: I guess I’m mystified a bit by the shock and outrage at Biden’s betrayal of Israel

    I wasn’t aware that there was any shock and outrage at which to be mystified. Where are you seeing this?

    Mostly in the media and on X/Twitter.

    I’m curious about the media. Which media? The WSJ editorial page is opposed to this move, as I would expect, but I wouldn’t call it shock and outrage.

    Image

    Daily Wire, any number of politicians (both Democrats and Republicans), also various special interest groups.

    OK, the New York Post.  Can they do anything that isn’t shock and outrage?  

    • #17
  18. Steve C. Member
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    @user_531302

    Tex929rr (View Comment):

    Keith Lowery:

    So I will be more than a little surprised if Israel doesn’t proceed, undaunted, to crush Hamas. After which Biden will probably be blamed by Israel’s enemies for not betraying Israel sooner, while also now being blamed by Israel’s friends, for betraying Israel at all. Thus Biden will have achieved a politically imbecilic kind of hat trick. A maneuver that has turned into kind of a signature move.

    Perfect summary. A man with no principles finally backed into a corner. Everyone in his life has used him and he has always been too stupid to see it. Currently it’s BHO and his evil wife. Who don’t even use him for the same thing, but will use him until he is used up. It should be a classic play about hubris and integrity; almost too unreal to be true.

    Don’t deny the man agency. He’s a politician. A not very bright politician. Anyone familiar with his 1988 presidential campaign should not be surprised.

    Unfortunately for us, he’s risen beyond his level of competence. 

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  19. Fritz Coolidge
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    Keith Lowery (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Keith Lowery (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Keith Lowery: I guess I’m mystified a bit by the shock and outrage at Biden’s betrayal of Israel

    I wasn’t aware that there was any shock and outrage at which to be mystified. Where are you seeing this?

    Mostly in the media and on X/Twitter.

    I’m curious about the media. Which media? The WSJ editorial page is opposed to this move, as I would expect, but I wouldn’t call it shock and outrage.

    Image

    Daily Wire, any number of politicians (both Democrats and Republicans), also various special interest groups.

    Biden’s not smart enough to pull off an Obama-like “I’ll have more flexibility after the election” ploy, either. Of course, Bibi would see right through it anyway.

    • #19
  20. Headedwest Coolidge
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    E. Kent Golding (View Comment):

    WI Con (View Comment):

    Look for more nations to align with the Russo-Chinese & BRICS sphere. I wouldn’t blame them at all.

    Not wanting to align with weakness and/or idiocy, or some other reason? Even when the less evil is stupid, I still blame nations and people for aligning with the more evil.

    If they are more reliable as an ally, maybe. 

    • #20
  21. EODmom Coolidge
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Keith Lowery: I don’t want to burst anyone’s bubble, but this aspect of Biden and his cronies is not exactly some kind of national secret. So what wise national leader is there, anywhere, who would ever actually trust Joe Biden for anything?

    This is where we mislead ourselves as conservatives who believe in honoring our Constitutional roots.

    I was at a senior level in the old Civil Service prior to the creation of the Senior Executive Service (SES) to replace management level grades GS-16,17, and 18. At that time, political appointees at these levels were designated Schedule C, and had no permanent civil service status. They were customarily terminated with a change in administration.

    When the SES was created, some were permanent CS employees and some were political appointees. I suspect many normal civil service status positions were taken over by Obama appointees being converted and much the same process took place in the Office of Management and Budget (OMB), the Office of Personnel Management (OPM), and in State Department Foreign Service Positions. Likely the same in the CIA and the NSA. These are the posts that run the federal bureaucracy as we saw during President Trump’s tenure. It is also what I think I see with Biden, augmented by other appointees.

    Obama took a specific series of actions (in all agencies) to convert previously appointed and political positions to permanent civil service positions for the very reason you cite. He wanted his minions left in positions to thwart Trump and continue executing any positions initiated during his administration. They did that admirably with the help offered by ERepublican anti-Trump partisans. They remain there today. The ERepubs discouraged capable people from working in the T admin and actively worked against his policies. Bad stuff. 

    • #21
  22. The Reticulator Member
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    EODmom (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Keith Lowery: I don’t want to burst anyone’s bubble, but this aspect of Biden and his cronies is not exactly some kind of national secret. So what wise national leader is there, anywhere, who would ever actually trust Joe Biden for anything?

    This is where we mislead ourselves as conservatives who believe in honoring our Constitutional roots.

    I was at a senior level in the old Civil Service prior to the creation of the Senior Executive Service (SES) to replace management level grades GS-16,17, and 18. At that time, political appointees at these levels were designated Schedule C, and had no permanent civil service status. They were customarily terminated with a change in administration.

    When the SES was created, some were permanent CS employees and some were political appointees. I suspect many normal civil service status positions were taken over by Obama appointees being converted and much the same process took place in the Office of Management and Budget (OMB), the Office of Personnel Management (OPM), and in State Department Foreign Service Positions. Likely the same in the CIA and the NSA. These are the posts that run the federal bureaucracy as we saw during President Trump’s tenure. It is also what I think I see with Biden, augmented by other appointees.

    Obama took a specific series of actions (in all agencies) to convert previously appointed and political positions to permanent civil service positions for the very reason you cite. He wanted his minions left in positions to thwart Trump and continue executing any positions initiated during his administration. They did that admirably with the help offered by ERepublican anti-Trump partisans. They remain there today. The ERepubs discouraged capable people from working in the T admin and actively worked against his policies. Bad stuff.

    I’d be interested in hearing from you and/or Bob Thompson as to what could be done (or undone) about this?  

    • #22
  23. Barfly Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    EODmom (View Comment):

    Obama took a specific series of actions (in all agencies) to convert previously appointed and political positions to permanent civil service positions for the very reason you cite. He wanted his minions left in positions to thwart Trump and continue executing any positions initiated during his administration. They did that admirably with the help offered by ERepublican anti-Trump partisans. They remain there today. The ERepubs discouraged capable people from working in the T admin and actively worked against his policies. Bad stuff.

    I’d be interested in hearing from you and/or Bob Thompson as to what could be done (or undone) about this?  

    Reform the Civil Service. It’s been done before, in response to its overt politicization, so there’s precedent.

    • #23
  24. E. Kent Golding Moderator
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    @EKentGolding

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    E. Kent Golding (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    I agree what this says about Biden, which I have long known. What does it say about others who hold our foreign policy fate in their hands?

    CIA and NSA

    Defense Department

    State Department

    Nothing. It is all on Biden. Unfortunately, the agencies you listed have all been staffed by Obama and Biden.

    There’s more going on within those permanent bureaucracies than you acknowledge here, @ ekentgolding

    Educate me.   I won’t ackowledge what I am not aware of.

    • #24
  25. E. Kent Golding Moderator
    E. Kent Golding
    @EKentGolding

    Steve C. (View Comment):

    Tex929rr (View Comment):

    Keith Lowery:

    So I will be more than a little surprised if Israel doesn’t proceed, undaunted, to crush Hamas. After which Biden will probably be blamed by Israel’s enemies for not betraying Israel sooner, while also now being blamed by Israel’s friends, for betraying Israel at all. Thus Biden will have achieved a politically imbecilic kind of hat trick. A maneuver that has turned into kind of a signature move.

    Perfect summary. A man with no principles finally backed into a corner. Everyone in his life has used him and he has always been too stupid to see it. Currently it’s BHO and his evil wife. Who don’t even use him for the same thing, but will use him until he is used up. It should be a classic play about hubris and integrity; almost too unreal to be true.

    Don’t deny the man agency. He’s a politician. A not very bright politician. Anyone familiar with his 1988 presidential campaign should not be surprised.

    Unfortunately for us, he’s risen beyond his level of competence.

    He did that in the womb.

    • #25
  26. EODmom Coolidge
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    EODmom (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Keith Lowery: I don’t want to burst anyone’s bubble, but this aspect of Biden and his cronies is not exactly some kind of national secret. So what wise national leader is there, anywhere, who would ever actually trust Joe Biden for anything?

    This is where we mislead ourselves as conservatives who believe in honoring our Constitutional roots.

    I was at a senior level in the old Civil Service prior to the creation of the Senior Executive Service (SES) to replace management level grades GS-16,17, and 18. At that time, political appointees at these levels were designated Schedule C, and had no permanent civil service status. They were customarily terminated with a change in administration.

    When the SES was created, some were permanent CS employees and some were political appointees. I suspect many normal civil service status positions were taken over by Obama appointees being converted and much the same process took place in the Office of Management and Budget (OMB), the Office of Personnel Management (OPM), and in State Department Foreign Service Positions. Likely the same in the CIA and the NSA. These are the posts that run the federal bureaucracy as we saw during President Trump’s tenure. It is also what I think I see with Biden, augmented by other appointees.

    Obama took a specific series of actions (in all agencies) to convert previously appointed and political positions to permanent civil service positions for the very reason you cite. He wanted his minions left in positions to thwart Trump and continue executing any positions initiated during his administration. They did that admirably with the help offered by ERepublican anti-Trump partisans. They remain there today. The ERepubs discouraged capable people from working in the T admin and actively worked against his policies. Bad stuff.

    I’d be interested in hearing from you and/or Bob Thompson as to what could be done (or undone) about this?

    I’m not knowledgeable in the procedures so cannot answer to that point. I know Trump reclassified a variety of positions at the end of his  tenure and Biden summarily reversed that action. I think the more fundamental issue is the gross number of agencies (and hence political and civil employees) which contribute nothing to the taxpayers’ well being. That large number of agencies should be eliminated, long with their partisan employee lists.
    As a benchmark, I’d first target any agency which is horrified at the possibility that Chevron may be reversed and that agency’s expansive intrusion (or use for political activism) into taxpayer life may be restricted or eliminated. 

    • #26
  27. Bob Thompson Member
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    EODmom (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    EODmom (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Keith Lowery: I don’t want to burst anyone’s bubble, but this aspect of Biden and his cronies is not exactly some kind of national secret. So what wise national leader is there, anywhere, who would ever actually trust Joe Biden for anything?

    This is where we mislead ourselves as conservatives who believe in honoring our Constitutional roots.

    I was at a senior level in the old Civil Service prior to the creation of the Senior Executive Service (SES) to replace management level grades GS-16,17, and 18. At that time, political appointees at these levels were designated Schedule C, and had no permanent civil service status. They were customarily terminated with a change in administration.

    When the SES was created, some were permanent CS employees and some were political appointees. I suspect many normal civil service status positions were taken over by Obama appointees being converted and much the same process took place in the Office of Management and Budget (OMB), the Office of Personnel Management (OPM), and in State Department Foreign Service Positions. Likely the same in the CIA and the NSA. These are the posts that run the federal bureaucracy as we saw during President Trump’s tenure. It is also what I think I see with Biden, augmented by other appointees.

    Obama took a specific series of actions (in all agencies) to convert previously appointed and political positions to permanent civil service positions for the very reason you cite. He wanted his minions left in positions to thwart Trump and continue executing any positions initiated during his administration. They did that admirably with the help offered by ERepublican anti-Trump partisans. They remain there today. The ERepubs discouraged capable people from working in the T admin and actively worked against his policies. Bad stuff.

    I’d be interested in hearing from you and/or Bob Thompson as to what could be done (or undone) about this?

    I’m not knowledgeable in the procedures so cannot answer to that point. I know Trump reclassified a variety of positions at the end of his tenure and Biden summarily reversed that action. I think the more fundamental issue is the gross number of agencies (and hence political and civil employees) which contribute nothing to the taxpayers’ well being. That large number of agencies should be eliminated, long with their partisan employee lists.
    As a benchmark, I’d first target any agency which is horrified at the possibility that Chevron may be reversed and that agency’s expansive intrusion (or use for political activism) into taxpayer life may be restricted or eliminated.

    The first major stroke would be to consider moving every person holding any SES position to a new position. When I was there this was a perfectly legitimate move and I was moved twice. Many of these moves would require geographical relocation and likely would result in many retirements or terminations. There should be a complete review of all operating procedures in OPM and OMB. A clean-out of the intelligence agencies may need to go even lower in the bureaucracy.

    • #27
  28. Bob Thompson Member
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    @BobThompson

    When Trump is elected I think he should really make sure his first three top people in each organization are true MAGA people who will not be working against him.

    • #28
  29. The Reticulator Member
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    @TheReticulator

    Barfly (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    EODmom (View Comment):

    Obama took a specific series of actions (in all agencies) to convert previously appointed and political positions to permanent civil service positions for the very reason you cite. He wanted his minions left in positions to thwart Trump and continue executing any positions initiated during his administration. They did that admirably with the help offered by ERepublican anti-Trump partisans. They remain there today. The ERepubs discouraged capable people from working in the T admin and actively worked against his policies. Bad stuff.

    I’d be interested in hearing from you and/or Bob Thompson as to what could be done (or undone) about this?

    Reform the Civil Service. It’s been done before, in response to its overt politicization, so there’s precedent.

    Yes, but what reform? There are always reforms available that will make things worse. 

    • #29
  30. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    @DaveSchmidt

    Steve C. (View Comment):

    Tex929rr (View Comment):

    Keith Lowery:

    So I will be more than a little surprised if Israel doesn’t proceed, undaunted, to crush Hamas. After which Biden will probably be blamed by Israel’s enemies for not betraying Israel sooner, while also now being blamed by Israel’s friends, for betraying Israel at all. Thus Biden will have achieved a politically imbecilic kind of hat trick. A maneuver that has turned into kind of a signature move.

    Perfect summary. A man with no principles finally backed into a corner. Everyone in his life has used him and he has always been too stupid to see it. Currently it’s BHO and his evil wife. Who don’t even use him for the same thing, but will use him until he is used up. It should be a classic play about hubris and integrity; almost too unreal to be true.

    Don’t deny the man agency. He’s a politician. A not very bright politician. Anyone familiar with his 1988 presidential campaign should not be surprised.

    Unfortunately for us, he’s risen beyond his level of competence.

    That happened his first day of law school. 

    • #30
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