Defend a Maligned Movie

 

I don’t believe in “guilty pleasures” – why should I feel guilt because the critical groupthink scorned something I think has merit? It’s not as if those individual critics don’t pull the shades and watch something the rest of the priesthood demeans. (Unless Marty Scorcese gave it a nod in an interview, and then it’s time for a Fresh New Look.) I also don’t believe in watching bad movies to revel in their awfulness, unless there’s some meta-level payoff. (Plan Nine really is the apotheosis of true unintended hilarity.) I’m watching something right now that makes eyes roll if you try to make the case for its importance, but that’s not important right now. (No, I’m not watching Airplane!) I’ll hand it off to you: defend a movie dismissed by the gatekeepers.

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  1. Miffed White Male Member
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    James Hageman (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    I’ve only seen it once, many years ago, so I can’t vouch for it directly, but my brother insists that Ishtar is a really funny movie.

    So Miffed White Male is either Dustin Hoffman or Warren Beatty.

    No, I’d be Warren or Dustin’s brother.

     

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  2. Miffed White Male Member
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    James Hageman (View Comment):

    I like Big Trouble (not in Little China).

    Read the book, saw the movie.  The only thing I remember about the movie is a very young Sofia Vergara.

     

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  3. Stad Coolidge
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    Shawn Buell, Jeopardy Champ! (View Comment):
    Perhaps this is a bit much of a cult classic, but does Big Trouble in Little China count?

    Loved it!

    Movies don’t have to be great works of art, they just have to entertain.  Jackie Chan is very entertaining . . .

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  4. Stad Coolidge
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    OccupantCDN (View Comment):
    How about “Battleship”

    I love that movie!

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  5. Front Seat Cat Member
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    ctlaw (View Comment):

    ctlaw (View Comment):

    One group of maligned movies are action comedies.

    In general, critics prefer serious movies. Also, it is very difficult to balance.

    I’m the guy who mutters “that doesn’t make sense” throughout any movie. That’s a problem with a movie that takes itself too seriously. Thus, ironically, my seriousness lets me find movies that do not take themselves too seriously to be less of a problem.

    My second maligned movie is Knight and Day.

    Love that movie!

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  6. Stad Coolidge
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    OccupantCDN (View Comment):
    a sound track that includes AC/DC “ThunderStruck”

    Great use of that song in the movie!

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  7. Stad Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

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    Which leads me to a second movie, that while much maligned, is actually a solid “Good” movie. “Star Trek: The Motion Picture”. My only real complaint is that some of that cool mid-century modern kitsch from the 60’s became earth toned 70’s cheesiness, with goofy jumpsuits (bleh). I remember being bored and hating it as a kid (I grew up on all things Star Trek), but I think the problem is back in the 80’s we were watching this on a small tube tv with crappy color and a worn out speaker for sound. No one is gonna like a movie like this on that set-up. As and adult I went back and watched it with a large screen HD tv, decent sound system and speakers, and it was a whole new movie.

    Great effects, great Star Trek wonder, and the TOS cast is always great.

    You didn’t see it in a proper theater? That seems to have been the first mistake.

    I saw the first Star Trek movie in the theater and was blown away by the special effects.

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  8. Stad Coolidge
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    2001 occupies a well-deserved place in science fiction cinematic history as the first truly great science fiction movie

    It was so real, people wondered why there was no sound in space.  The scene where Bowman blows the pod hatch is realistic.  He’s thrust into the airlock silently, then he closes the outer hatch and the sound returns as he brings air in.  Sadly, that scene had to be explained to a lot of people.

    I remember reading about the first Star Trek TV series, where they decided they must add the “whoosh” in the opening credits when the Enterprise zooms by because most viewers would expect it.

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  9. Stad Coolidge
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):
    In fact, it was a first or second date movie with a girl I had a huge thing for. She fell asleep.

    My high school sweetheart was angry with me because I laughed during Jenny’s death scene in Love Story, it was so melodramatic.

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  10. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    MARTIN WORNATH (View Comment):
    Yes! I think the first Star Trek – Star Trek the Motion Picture – is one of the better Star Trek movies. “Wrath of Khan” is great, but is not that enjoyable after you see it the first time. But for me, the first Star Trek movie gets better with multiple viewings. 

    Trolling? Ive seen ST;Kahn dozens of times – maybe even 100s – and I really love that movie. (not Jar Jar’s remake) I could watch it again almost any day. The best way to watch TMP again, is on FFWD, so you can stop for the good bits and cruise over all the filler. Probably gets the movie down to 65 minutes.

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  11. Percival Thatcher
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    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

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    Boney Cole (View Comment):

    Galaxy Quest. Really love the beginning at the convention. So real it hurts while I’m laughing. Can’t watch, can’t quit watching.

    No one maligns this movie. It’s a recognized classic.

    Agreed. Rotten has it at 90/79. When the critic and audience scores are so high – this is a recognized Gem.

    I think the only people a little upset with it, where Star Trek fans, because it does parody them quite heavily.

     

    Short-sighted Star Trek fans.

    When the self-destruct device is armed, the cast doesn’t know what to do – they were only pretending. The Thermians? They only built the thing. Who ya gonna call? The fans, who have been poring over floor plans and schematics while arguing the esoterica of the Protector since the series was on the air. They know how to access and disable it.

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  12. John Stanley Coolidge
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    Death Wish, 1974 edition.

    Death Wish foretold the coming revolt of the masses, in dealing with crime.

    Critics at the time looked at Death Wish as glorification of vigalantism.   The public looked at Death Wish as a husband and father trying to fix a wrong.

    This is a movie that was attacked, but is a classic.

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  13. KevinKrisher Inactive
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    My wife insists that I point out the wonderfulness of 1984’s The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the Eighth Dimension.

    When one of the cast members was interviewed about it a few years ago, he said, “It’s been over twenty years since we made that movie, and we’re still not quite sure what it was about.”

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  14. KevinKrisher Inactive
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    Stad (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):
    In fact, it was a first or second date movie with a girl I had a huge thing for. She fell asleep.

    My high school sweetheart was angry with me because I laughed during Jenny’s death scene in Love Story, it was so melodramatic.

    Like many other men my age, I remember being dragged to that nightmare by my girlfriend.

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  15. Miffed White Male Member
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    KevinKrisher (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):
    In fact, it was a first or second date movie with a girl I had a huge thing for. She fell asleep.

    My high school sweetheart was angry with me because I laughed during Jenny’s death scene in Love Story, it was so melodramatic.

    Like many other men my age, I remember being dragged to that nightmare by my girlfriend.

    But it did produce a great punchline for the movie What’s Up, Doc.

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  16. kedavis Coolidge
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    Percival (View Comment):

    Hartmann von Aue (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    Pagodan (View Comment):

    Which leads me to a second movie, that while much maligned, is actually a solid “Good” movie. “Star Trek: The Motion Picture”. My only real complaint is that some of that cool mid-century modern kitsch from the 60’s became earth toned 70’s cheesiness, with goofy jumpsuits (bleh). I remember being bored and hating it as a kid (I grew up on all things Star Trek), but I think the problem is back in the 80’s we were watching this on a small tube tv with crappy color and a worn out speaker for sound. No one is gonna like a movie like this on that set-up. As and adult I went back and watched it with a large screen HD tv, decent sound system and speakers, and it was a whole new movie.

    Great effects, great Star Trek wonder, and the TOS cast is always great.

    STMP could have been much better. Its a grind to watch. Its way too long at 2h12m it should have been at most 100 minutes. (star trek ii Wrath of kahn, a much better film, is 1h53m long) there just isnt enough plot to fill the whole 2 hours…

    When they ran the exact same plot on TOS, it only took 38 minutes with commercial breaks.

    Uh, no. Back when TOS was on, an hour TV episode had something like 50 minutes or more of actual show. It’s only been in the last several years that an “hour” has become at little as 40 minutes or even less.

    But that said, there’s a reason why TMP is sometimes referred to as “Where Nomad Has Gone Before.”

    Keeping in mind that there was originally planned to be a new series, and then got reworked into a movie.

    Correct. The plan was for it to be a pilot, which makes The Changeling; The Movie more understandable. Also if I recall the novelization, which was drawn from the original script, correctly, they were planning on making much more of the fact that Will Decker was Matt Decker’s son. And we got Riker and Troi, take one, with him and Ilia.

    It just about killed off the chance of a sequel. I didn’t want another feature length treatment of a TOS episode. But the title of the next movie was Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan promised the answer to the question I had since grade school – what happens if you give a genetically superior egomaniac his very own planet?

    I had no ulterior motives in asking that question.

    Stop laughing.

    Might have been more interesting if Khan and his people had the chance to be successful.

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  17. It's TGS with Cat III! Member
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    Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance. It has a 54% on Rottentomatoes, the only “rotten” score for a Park Chan-wook film. Oldboy, his follow-up and the second in the Vengeance Trilogy, turned the director into an international star. As good as the movie is, SfMV is the better film, his best even. Unlike Oldboy and the trilogy finale Lady Vengeance which have a mythic quality, it’s a grounded film that finds ordinary people swept into extraordinary circumstances. The protagonists make horrible decisions, but their motivations are always understandable, and the decisions are usually brought on by the consequences of their earlier decisions. Blood Simple, Fargo, and Reservoir Dogs are brought to mind. You have characters convinced they’re clever enough to get away with their crimes. Like Fargo, the protagonists believe their good intentions ensure good results. Also like those movies, there’s dark humor, suspense, and wonderful cinematography.

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  18. It's TGS with Cat III! Member
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    The Dark Backward which has 45% on Rottentomatoes and has been practically forgotten, not that it was ever well known. A few minutes into it, I agreed with the general opinion that it commits the sin of trying to be a weird cult movie. Over time, it won me over. Set, one assumes, after some unspecified apocalypse, the colorful but dingy setting is Eraserhead by way of Pee Wee’s Playhouse. Performances are appropriately hammy and the story actually got me invested–that’s the real surprising part. There’s a scene early on where Bill Paxton’s character finds a dead woman in junkyard, then gives the body a lick. I thought “I hope this incident has no bearing on anything later in the story.” My wish was granted! Take that, Chekhov.

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  19. Steven Hayward Podcaster
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    Road House. Its greatness is a matter of Euclidian logic, hardly in need of defending.

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  20. The Cloaked Gaijin Member
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    Dbroussa (View Comment):

    I’ll suggest The Fifth Element by Luc Besson. While not reviled by the critics, ITs “fresh” on Rotten Tomatoes but has a 52 Metacritic score, that is a movie that regardless of when it is in the film, I will sit down and watch it. Its right up there with Robocop for a vision of the future that is compelling if depressing. Who can forget the humor in that film in every scene that was played completely straight making it more funny. Chris Tucker as Ruby Rhod really made his career and Bruce Willis’ combo of comedy and action was just amazing.

    (94) Korben Outwits a Mugger – The Fifth Element (1/8) Movie CLIP (1997) HD – YouTube

    If you want a film that was really panned by critics, how about UHF the Weird Al Yankovic offering from 1989 that had Fran Drescher, Victoria Jackson, Michael Richards, Gedde Watanabe, and Anthony Geary in a role that no one would ever think he would play. I finally tracked down a DVD of the movie and paid almost $50 for it and it was worth every penny. I made the family watch it one Father’s Day and have been banned from picking movies on that day as a result, but it was worth it if only for them to see this:

    We Don’t Need No Stinking Badgers! – YouTube

    or (94) UHF – Wheel Of Fish – YouTube

    I’ve never seen the movie, but the Spatula City clip was constantly played as commercial break filler during The Rush Limbaugh Show, especially during in its early years.  I never knew the source of the clip until years later.

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  21. It's TGS with Cat III! Member
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    That reminds me of the Cheddar Goblin commercial from Mandy:

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  22. The Cloaked Gaijin Member
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    Basil Fawlty (View Comment):

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    Galaxy Quest. Really love the beginning at the convention. So real it hurts while I’m laughing. Can’t watch, can’t quit watching.

    Some gatekeepers loved it.

    https://www.steynonline.com/11083/galaxy-quest

    Galaxy Quest is a very highly-rated movie.

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  23. James Lileks Contributor
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    Now that you’ve chimed in – and thank you! – here’s the movie that prompted this thread, a strange, surreal, conceptually bizarre movie that for some reason just hits me right and makes me smile and love America.

    (whispers)

    (Cars)

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  24. philo Member
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    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Now that you’ve chimed in – and thank you! – here’s the movie that prompted this thread, a strange, surreal, conceptually bizarre movie that for some reason just hits me right and makes me smile and love America.

    (whispers)

    (Cars)

    Among other things, I enjoyed the many familiar voices. Even as my kids were watching it for the 2,475th time, I loved hearing Cliff Clavin’s voice again.

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  25. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    I thought someone had mentioned Clue (1985) – but maybe it was in another thread:

    I havent seen this movie either, but it looks pretty good.

     

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    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    I thought someone had mentioned Clue (1985) – but maybe it was in another thread… I havent seen this movie either, but it looks pretty good.

    It’s alright. Fun to watch all the familiar faces. It looks like they enjoyed making it.

     

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    John Stanley (View Comment):

    Death Wish, 1974 edition.

    Death Wish foretold the coming revolt of the masses, in dealing with crime.

    Critics at the time looked at Death Wish as glorification of vigalantism. The public looked at Death Wish as a husband and father trying to fix a wrong.

    This is a movie that was attacked, but is a classic.

    All of the Bronson Death Wish movies are classics in my opinion.  Agree No. 4 the best. 

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  28. American Abroad Thatcher
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    I don’t think it was maligned at the time, but Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom certainly would be maligned today as racist.  The banquet scene where they slice open the snake and eat monkey brains was thrilling to me as a kid.  Plus, he had that stereotypical Asian sidekick.  I would watch that move again–and order some real Indian takeout to go with it!

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    Percival (View Comment):

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    Galaxy Quest. Really love the beginning at the convention. So real it hurts while I’m laughing. Can’t watch, can’t quit watching.

    No one maligns this movie. It’s a recognized classic.

    Agreed. Rotten has it at 90/79. When the critic and audience scores are so high – this is a recognized Gem.

    I think the only people a little upset with it, where Star Trek fans, because it does parody them quite heavily.

     

    Short-sighted Star Trek fans.

    When the self-destruct device is armed, the cast doesn’t know what to do – they were only pretending. The Thermians? They only built the thing. Who ya gonna call? The fans, who have been poring over floor plans and schematics while arguing the esoterica of the Protector since the series was on the air. They know how to access and disable it.

    A brilliant conceit and a big sloppy wet kiss for the people who really count. 

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  30. kedavis Coolidge
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    TBA (View Comment):

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    Boney Cole (View Comment):

    Galaxy Quest. Really love the beginning at the convention. So real it hurts while I’m laughing. Can’t watch, can’t quit watching.

    No one maligns this movie. It’s a recognized classic.

    Agreed. Rotten has it at 90/79. When the critic and audience scores are so high – this is a recognized Gem.

    I think the only people a little upset with it, where Star Trek fans, because it does parody them quite heavily.

     

    Short-sighted Star Trek fans.

    When the self-destruct device is armed, the cast doesn’t know what to do – they were only pretending. The Thermians? They only built the thing. Who ya gonna call? The fans, who have been poring over floor plans and schematics while arguing the esoterica of the Protector since the series was on the air. They know how to access and disable it.

    A brilliant conceit and a big sloppy wet kiss for the people who really count.

    And at the end of the movie, the series was back on the air!

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