Defend a Maligned Movie

 

I don’t believe in “guilty pleasures” – why should I feel guilt because the critical groupthink scorned something I think has merit? It’s not as if those individual critics don’t pull the shades and watch something the rest of the priesthood demeans. (Unless Marty Scorcese gave it a nod in an interview, and then it’s time for a Fresh New Look.) I also don’t believe in watching bad movies to revel in their awfulness, unless there’s some meta-level payoff. (Plan Nine really is the apotheosis of true unintended hilarity.) I’m watching something right now that makes eyes roll if you try to make the case for its importance, but that’s not important right now. (No, I’m not watching Airplane!) I’ll hand it off to you: defend a movie dismissed by the gatekeepers.

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  1. WilliamDean Coolidge
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    “Men at Work” was the dumbest, most puerile, sophomoric, and vacuous movie I have ever busted a gut to.  It is without any obvious redeeming qualities that I can see, besides the lowest level humor executed with fiendish cleverness.  It definitely is a most guilty pleasure, and I will not defend it, because I cannot defend it. But see it if you haven’t

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  2. Boney Cole Member
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    Galaxy Quest.  Really love the beginning at the convention.  So real it hurts while I’m laughing. Can’t watch, can’t quit watching. 

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  3. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… Member
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    WilliamDean (View Comment):

    Shawn Buell, Jeopardy Champ! (View Comment):

    Perhaps this is a bit much of a cult classic, but does Big Trouble in Little China count?

    I don’t see it as being maligned. Perhaps under the radar, cult film like you say. But John Carpenter seems pretty untouchable these days in public opinion.

     

    I agree that it’s not a maligned movie, at least as far as I know.

    If it is, then this is definitely the winning answer, Maj!  As ol’ Jack Burton always says at a time like this — great movie.

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  4. Pagodan Member
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    “Airborne” I don’t know if this movie is much maligned, I just know I’m the only person I know, besides my older brother, that has ever seen this early 90’s gem. From beginning to end this movie is less a teen drama then kitchen sink of late 80’s early 90’s teen movie cliches. (Including a picking an outfit montage set to Right Said Fred’s “Too Sexy”.) Fish out of water surfer kid from California is sent to live with his relatives in Ohio? He shows up, no one likes him except his weird cousin (a great Seth Greene), the biggest jock in school hates him, and the girl he falls for is said biggest jocks little sister. High jinks ensue. Anyways, what should be entirely unwatchable, ended up a fun and quirky 90’s teen comedy. Even has a decent downhill rollerblade race (there is nothing more poseur than rollerblades btw…) reminiscent of an earlier teen classic “Thrasher”.  Oh, and  very early appearance by Jack Black. Anyways, will go to my grave stanning for this one, even if no one else ever sees it. 

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  5. Basil Fawlty Member
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    Boney Cole (View Comment):

    Galaxy Quest. Really love the beginning at the convention. So real it hurts while I’m laughing. Can’t watch, can’t quit watching.

    Some gatekeepers loved it.

    https://www.steynonline.com/11083/galaxy-quest

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  6. kedavis Coolidge
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    Dbroussa (View Comment):

    I’ll suggest The Fifth Element by Luc Besson. While not reviled by the critics, ITs “fresh” on Rotten Tomatoes but has a 52 Metacritic score, that is a movie that regardless of when it is in the film, I will sit down and watch it. Its right up there with Robocop for a vision of the future that is compelling if depressing. Who can forget the humor in that film in every scene that was played completely straight making it more funny. Chris Tucker as Ruby Rhod really made his career and Bruce Willis’ combo of comedy and action was just amazing.

    (94) Korben Outwits a Mugger – The Fifth Element (1/8) Movie CLIP (1997) HD – YouTube

    If you want a film that was really panned by critics, how about UHF the Weird Al Yankovic offering from 1989 that had Fran Drescher, Victoria Jackson, Michael Richards, Gedde Watanabe, and Anthony Geary in a role that no one would ever think he would play. I finally tracked down a DVD of the movie and paid almost $50 for it and it was worth every penny. I made the family watch it one Father’s Day and have been banned from picking movies on that day as a result, but it was worth it if only for them to see this:

    We Don’t Need No Stinking Badgers! – YouTube

    or (94) UHF – Wheel Of Fish – YouTube

    It’s come out on blu-ray, and is also torrentable (but you didn’t hear that from me).

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  7. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    How about “Battleship” its got all the things that make action movies great – guns, big really big guns, explosions, special effects montague of cities being destroyed, high body count, a seemingly invincible villain. And taking place in Hawaii some striking scenery in the back drop.

    Its not a deep thinker – but its a lot of fun, with great visual effects and a sound track that includes AC/DC “ThunderStruck”… What more do you need?

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  8. Dotorimuk Coolidge
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    Skyler (View Comment):

    One of my favorite movies of all time is “Barcelona.” Apparently it’s one of three related movies. I’ve watched the others, but they were mostly unwatchable. “Barcelona,” though, is brilliant.

    It’s about a nerdy electric motor salesman who was sent to Spain by an American company, where he does very well only through very nerdy adherence to self-improvement books. He’s visited by his incompetent cousin who is with the US Navy and is part of an advance party before the fleet arrives in the port of Barcelona. The two then meet women and spend most of their time completely bewildered by Spain and defending the US to people they meet in this foreign culture.

    I think it’s very intelligent and well done. It’s a rare movie that has great dialog.

    GREAT movie!

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  9. Dotorimuk Coolidge
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    I’ll never forget the day I put this one in the DVD player:

     

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  10. kedavis Coolidge
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    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    How about “Battleship” its got all the things that make action movies great – guns, big really big guns, explosions, special effects montague of cities being destroyed, high body count, a seemingly invincible villain. And taking place in Hawaii some striking scenery in the back drop.

    Its not a deep thinker – but its a lot of fun, with great visual effects and a sound track that includes AC/DC “ThunderStruck”… What more do you need?

    Kinda reminds me of “Under Siege.”

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  11. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    How about “Battleship” its got all the things that make action movies great – guns, big really big guns, explosions, special effects montague of cities being destroyed, high body count, a seemingly invincible villain. And taking place in Hawaii some striking scenery in the back drop.

    Its not a deep thinker – but its a lot of fun, with great visual effects and a sound track that includes AC/DC “ThunderStruck”… What more do you need?

    Kinda reminds me of “Under Siege.”

    Other than it stars the same ship (the USS Missouri) I wasnt thinking of that.

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  12. Miffed White Male Member
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    Boney Cole (View Comment):

    Galaxy Quest. Really love the beginning at the convention. So real it hurts while I’m laughing. Can’t watch, can’t quit watching.

    No one maligns this movie.  It’s a recognized classic.

     

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  13. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Boney Cole (View Comment):

    Galaxy Quest. Really love the beginning at the convention. So real it hurts while I’m laughing. Can’t watch, can’t quit watching.

    No one maligns this movie. It’s a recognized classic.

    Agreed. Rotten has it at 90/79. When the critic and audience scores are so high – this is a recognized Gem.

    I think the only people a little upset with it, where Star Trek fans, because it does parody them quite heavily.

     

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  14. Pagodan Member
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    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Boney Cole (View Comment):

    Galaxy Quest. Really love the beginning at the convention. So real it hurts while I’m laughing. Can’t watch, can’t quit watching.

    No one maligns this movie. It’s a recognized classic.

    Agreed. Rotten has it at 90/79. When the critic and audience scores are so high – this is a recognized Gem.

    I think the only people a little upset with it, where Star Trek fans, because it does parody them quite heavily.

     

    Most the hard core trekkies I know, I mean convention going types, love that movie too. 

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  15. Headedwest Coolidge
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    Basil Fawlty (View Comment):

    Boney Cole (View Comment):

    Galaxy Quest. Really love the beginning at the convention. So real it hurts while I’m laughing. Can’t watch, can’t quit watching.

    I loved Galaxy Quest. So good that my wife and I visited Goblin Valley State Park in Utah to see the actual location. 

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  16. Pagodan Member
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    Which leads me to a second movie, that while much maligned, is actually a solid “Good” movie. “Star Trek: The Motion Picture”. My only real complaint is that some of that cool mid-century modern kitsch from the 60’s became earth toned 70’s cheesiness, with goofy jumpsuits (bleh). I remember being bored and hating it as a kid (I grew up on all things Star Trek), but I think the problem is back in the 80’s we were watching this on a small tube tv with crappy color and a worn out speaker for sound. No one is gonna like a movie like this on that set-up. As and adult I went back and watched it with a large screen HD tv, decent sound system and speakers, and it was a whole new movie. 

    Great effects, great Star Trek wonder, and the TOS cast is always great. 

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  17. kedavis Coolidge
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    Pagodan (View Comment):

    Which leads me to a second movie, that while much maligned, is actually a solid “Good” movie. “Star Trek: The Motion Picture”. My only real complaint is that some of that cool mid-century modern kitsch from the 60’s became earth toned 70’s cheesiness, with goofy jumpsuits (bleh). I remember being bored and hating it as a kid (I grew up on all things Star Trek), but I think the problem is back in the 80’s we were watching this on a small tube tv with crappy color and a worn out speaker for sound. No one is gonna like a movie like this on that set-up. As and adult I went back and watched it with a large screen HD tv, decent sound system and speakers, and it was a whole new movie.

    Great effects, great Star Trek wonder, and the TOS cast is always great.

    You didn’t see it in a proper theater?  That seems to have been the first mistake.

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  18. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    Pagodan (View Comment):

    Which leads me to a second movie, that while much maligned, is actually a solid “Good” movie. “Star Trek: The Motion Picture”. My only real complaint is that some of that cool mid-century modern kitsch from the 60’s became earth toned 70’s cheesiness, with goofy jumpsuits (bleh). I remember being bored and hating it as a kid (I grew up on all things Star Trek), but I think the problem is back in the 80’s we were watching this on a small tube tv with crappy color and a worn out speaker for sound. No one is gonna like a movie like this on that set-up. As and adult I went back and watched it with a large screen HD tv, decent sound system and speakers, and it was a whole new movie.

    Great effects, great Star Trek wonder, and the TOS cast is always great.

    STMP could have been much better. Its a grind to watch. Its way too long at 2h12m it should have been at most 100 minutes. (star trek ii Wrath of kahn, a much better film, is 1h53m long) there just isnt enough plot to fill the whole 2 hours…

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  19. davenr321 Coolidge
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    Zardoz. Then. Now. Forever. Your argument has no merit.

     

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  20. ToryWarWriter Coolidge
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    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    Gary McVey (View Comment):
    I’m going to be a little pre-emptive here and defend a movie that the gatekeepers never loved and in eleven or so months will be maligned big time: Stanley Kubrick’s A Clockwork Orange.

    I disagree. It’s revered by the groupthink critic intelligencia as are all things Kubrick, erroneously in my opinion. They’ll never cook up their sacred cows.

    Speaking of Kubrick.  2010 is a much better movie than 2001.  The first movie is banal trash, which makes you despise the Vienna Waltz by the end.

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  21. davenr321 Coolidge
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    .This is a GREAT surrealist  movie.

     

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  22. Skyler Coolidge
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    Pagodan (View Comment):

    Which leads me to a second movie, that while much maligned, is actually a solid “Good” movie. “Star Trek: The Motion Picture”. My only real complaint is that some of that cool mid-century modern kitsch from the 60’s became earth toned 70’s cheesiness, with goofy jumpsuits (bleh). I remember being bored and hating it as a kid (I grew up on all things Star Trek), but I think the problem is back in the 80’s we were watching this on a small tube tv with crappy color and a worn out speaker for sound. No one is gonna like a movie like this on that set-up. As and adult I went back and watched it with a large screen HD tv, decent sound system and speakers, and it was a whole new movie.

    Great effects, great Star Trek wonder, and the TOS cast is always great.

    No way.  It was a warmed over TV episode with only worse elements added to the screen play to make it longer.  It was a huge disappointment to me when it came out. I’ve gone back and watched it recently and could find no redeeming part of it.

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  23. KirkianWanderer Inactive
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    ctlaw (View Comment):

    JimGoneWild (View Comment):

    OK, it must said, Paint Your Wagon is an awesome movie and Clint Eastwood’s singing is pretty good too. It gets a lot of knocks because its a musical, with Lee Marvin and Clint, “Partner”. The plot is simple and solid. The marriage situation is hilarious. But I like the singing.

    And, for trivia purposes, this is not the only movie Eastwood sings in. Can you name the other?

    Seems like he sings in several:

    I think he also sings somewhere on the score for Gran Torino.

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  24. KirkianWanderer Inactive
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    Skyler (View Comment):

    Pagodan (View Comment):

    Which leads me to a second movie, that while much maligned, is actually a solid “Good” movie. “Star Trek: The Motion Picture”. My only real complaint is that some of that cool mid-century modern kitsch from the 60’s became earth toned 70’s cheesiness, with goofy jumpsuits (bleh). I remember being bored and hating it as a kid (I grew up on all things Star Trek), but I think the problem is back in the 80’s we were watching this on a small tube tv with crappy color and a worn out speaker for sound. No one is gonna like a movie like this on that set-up. As and adult I went back and watched it with a large screen HD tv, decent sound system and speakers, and it was a whole new movie.

    Great effects, great Star Trek wonder, and the TOS cast is always great.

    No way. It was a warmed over TV episode with only worse elements added to the screen play to make it longer. It was a huge disappointment to me when it came out. I’ve gone back and watched it recently and could find no redeeming part of it.

    The one part that might have been/was somewhat interesting, and could have been redeeming, was the Spock coming back from Kholinar and essentially rejecting the relationship he had built up with Kirk and McCoy over the course of their five year mission. It adds dramatic tension, and might have opened avenues to explore the time that the film ultimately chooses to skip over. 

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  25. Percival Thatcher
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    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    Pagodan (View Comment):

    Which leads me to a second movie, that while much maligned, is actually a solid “Good” movie. “Star Trek: The Motion Picture”. My only real complaint is that some of that cool mid-century modern kitsch from the 60’s became earth toned 70’s cheesiness, with goofy jumpsuits (bleh). I remember being bored and hating it as a kid (I grew up on all things Star Trek), but I think the problem is back in the 80’s we were watching this on a small tube tv with crappy color and a worn out speaker for sound. No one is gonna like a movie like this on that set-up. As and adult I went back and watched it with a large screen HD tv, decent sound system and speakers, and it was a whole new movie.

    Great effects, great Star Trek wonder, and the TOS cast is always great.

    STMP could have been much better. Its a grind to watch. Its way too long at 2h12m it should have been at most 100 minutes. (star trek ii Wrath of kahn, a much better film, is 1h53m long) there just isnt enough plot to fill the whole 2 hours…

    When they ran the exact same plot on TOS, it only took 38 minutes with commercial breaks.

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  26. KirkianWanderer Inactive
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    Percival (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    Pagodan (View Comment):

    Which leads me to a second movie, that while much maligned, is actually a solid “Good” movie. “Star Trek: The Motion Picture”. My only real complaint is that some of that cool mid-century modern kitsch from the 60’s became earth toned 70’s cheesiness, with goofy jumpsuits (bleh). I remember being bored and hating it as a kid (I grew up on all things Star Trek), but I think the problem is back in the 80’s we were watching this on a small tube tv with crappy color and a worn out speaker for sound. No one is gonna like a movie like this on that set-up. As and adult I went back and watched it with a large screen HD tv, decent sound system and speakers, and it was a whole new movie.

    Great effects, great Star Trek wonder, and the TOS cast is always great.

    STMP could have been much better. Its a grind to watch. Its way too long at 2h12m it should have been at most 100 minutes. (star trek ii Wrath of kahn, a much better film, is 1h53m long) there just isnt enough plot to fill the whole 2 hours…

    When they ran the exact same plot on TOS, it only took 38 minutes with commercial breaks.

    Much less CGI, too, and more dogs with glitter horns strapped on their heads.

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  27. Percival Thatcher
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    ToryWarWriter (View Comment):
    … which makes you despise the Vienna Waltz by the end.

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  28. Henry Racette Member
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    ToryWarWriter (View Comment):

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    Gary McVey (View Comment):
    I’m going to be a little pre-emptive here and defend a movie that the gatekeepers never loved and in eleven or so months will be maligned big time: Stanley Kubrick’s A Clockwork Orange.

    I disagree. It’s revered by the groupthink critic intelligencia as are all things Kubrick, erroneously in my opinion. They’ll never cook up their sacred cows.

    Speaking of Kubrick. 2010 is a much better movie than 2001. The first movie is banal trash, which makes you despise the Vienna Waltz by the end.

    With all due respect, my friend, I have to differ on that assessment. I have no strong feelings about 2010, but 2001 occupies a well-deserved place in science fiction cinematic history as the first truly great science fiction movie — Metropolis and The Day the Earth Stood Still notwithstanding.

     

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  29. kedavis Coolidge
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    Percival (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    Pagodan (View Comment):

    Which leads me to a second movie, that while much maligned, is actually a solid “Good” movie. “Star Trek: The Motion Picture”. My only real complaint is that some of that cool mid-century modern kitsch from the 60’s became earth toned 70’s cheesiness, with goofy jumpsuits (bleh). I remember being bored and hating it as a kid (I grew up on all things Star Trek), but I think the problem is back in the 80’s we were watching this on a small tube tv with crappy color and a worn out speaker for sound. No one is gonna like a movie like this on that set-up. As and adult I went back and watched it with a large screen HD tv, decent sound system and speakers, and it was a whole new movie.

    Great effects, great Star Trek wonder, and the TOS cast is always great.

    STMP could have been much better. Its a grind to watch. Its way too long at 2h12m it should have been at most 100 minutes. (star trek ii Wrath of kahn, a much better film, is 1h53m long) there just isnt enough plot to fill the whole 2 hours…

    When they ran the exact same plot on TOS, it only took 38 minutes with commercial breaks.

    Uh, no.  Back when TOS was on, an hour TV episode had something like 50 minutes or more of actual show.  It’s only been in the last several years that an “hour” has become at little as 40 minutes or even less.

    But that said, there’s a reason why TMP is sometimes referred to as “Where Nomad Has Gone Before.”

    Keeping in mind that there was originally planned to be a new series, and then got reworked into a movie.

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  30. philo Member
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment): …there was a Nicholas Cage movie titled…

    For a brief second I thought maybe you were going to go with Zandalee:

    EROTIC THRILLER STARRING NICOLAS CAGE | Zandalee (1991) Movie Review -  YouTube

     

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