QotD: Judging Columbus

 

I should be judged as a captain who went from Spain to the Indies to conquer a people numerous and warlike, whose manners and religion are very different from ours, who live in sierras and mountains, without fixed settlements, and where by divine will I have placed under the sovereignty of the King and Queen our Lords, an Other World, whereby Spain, which was reckoned poor, is become the richest of countries.—Christopher Columbus

You may judge him more harshly than he judged himself. Or maybe more leniently. But however you do it, happy Columbus Day.

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  1. Judge Mental Member
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    MichaelKennedy (View Comment):

    EODmom (View Comment):

    E. Kent Golding (View Comment):

    Courage is an almost forgotten virtue. Took courage to sail off into the great unknown.

    Can you imagine? No, ma’am – I don’t know what’s there. I hope there are riches but no, I don’t know how far. No ma’am, I don’t know when we will be back or where we get food and water. Yes, ma’am, I am very grateful for your support and prayers.
    Do you ever think about how they even got to the point of casting off? Courage and perseverance. Thanks be to God.

    Much of Columbus’ motivation was because he had a mistaken belief about longitude and the circumference of the earth. I have forgotten the details of how this came to be. Erasthorenes discovered the spherical nature of the earth and a good approximation of its size by determining noon from the bottom of a well a measured distance from another well. Of course the measurement of time was uncertain but the “flat earth” nonsense is a modern invention.

    Columbus’ belief that he had found “The Indies” stemmed from that mistake in longitude. The western hemisphere was a surprise. His mistake was still some years in solution. Magellan finally accomplished the circumnavigation but did not survive it. He was killed in The Philippines and only one of his five ships made it home to Portugal.

    I don’t know how much of a ‘mistake’ it really was.  Without knowledge of the Americas, they thought they had 10-12k miles of ocean between Europe and the Far East.  Nobody was going to finance that trip.  But convince the queen it’s much shorter and easier to do, and you might get some funding.

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  2. Joseph Stanko Coolidge
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    The latest Catholic Culture podcast has a great interview with Robert Royal, author of Columbus and the Crisis of the West.

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  3. Joseph Stanko Coolidge
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    Richard Fulmer (View Comment):

    People belittle Columbus’ achievement by pointing out that others “discovered” America before he did – not least the natives, but also the Vikings and Breton fishermen. Fair enough. But Columbus did something with his discovery.

    Similarly, lots of people invented incandescent light bulbs at about the same time that Edison did. But Edison came up with a filament that would last and with a power generation and distribution system. In other words, he was the guy that made electrical lights a practical alternative to kerosene lanterns.

    Columbus developed the first practical, repeatable method of sailing across the Atlantic.  We rightly celebrate Charles Lindbergh for being the first to fly across the Atlantic even though he obviously didn’t discover France.  We rightly celebrate Neil Armstrong even though he clearly didn’t discover the moon.  Columbus’ achievement belongs in the same league.

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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    RandR (RdnaR) (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Torturing myself by watching at least part of the Senate Judiciary Hearing. Can’t wait. . .

    Thank you for doing what I wouldn’t do except under duress. Please give at least a small recap when you recover.

    Well, today I only got through the first three senators. I was disappointed that Lindsey Graham didn’t tell them directly to honor the constitution and not use any “religious tests.” Maybe he’s saving that warning for tomorrow. (right)

    Maybe he’s just letting them hang themselves, so to speak. Maybe he’s hoping that a display of religious prejudice will give some “undecideds” something to consider come election day. I don’t know, but maybe.

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  5. Cow Girl Thatcher
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    I retired last year, but during the 24 years that I taught elementary school, I taught about Columbus every year on this date. We learned how he decided to take (what he thought) was a more direct route to the Indies, by sailing West, since he knew the earth was a sphere. And that when he arrived in the Western Hemisphere, he assumed he’d gotten to the “Indies” so that is why he referred to the people he met as “Indians”.  That piece of information alone generated so many “Aha!” moments for my students in each state where I taught. They weren’t offended learning about Columbus. I didn’t present him as some type of amazing person, but someone who was willing to try something that other people hadn’t tried. It gave them a perspective they will not get in any other class for the rest of their education, I’m pretty certain. Sigh…sometimes I wish I could go on teaching forever, just to give students information I know they aren’t going to learn from any other teacher. (But I’m tired…of the bureaucracy…)

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  6. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Cow Girl (View Comment):
    I wish I could go on teaching forever, just to give students information I know they aren’t going to learn from any other teacher. (But I’m tired…of the bureaucracy…)

    I’m so glad that education had such an enthusiastic teacher as you were! Thank you!

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    Stina (View Comment):

    JoelB (View Comment):

    My calendar calls today Indigenous Peoples’ Day. It’s from an insurance company, so I suppose, woke. Another calendar I have says it Thanksgiving Day in Canada and Day of the Race (whatever that means) in Mexico.

    It’s Anti-Immigration Day!

    I vote that the way to truly enjoy these festivities is to really rub the left’s face in their anti-immigration stance.

    I mean, we’re smack dab in the middle of the China Flu right now! How hard could this be?

    Best answer. IMHO.

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    Here is my take on the Great Navigator. https://pepperandvinegar.blog/2020/10/12/oh-columbus/

    He really did know where he was going and he got there, but what was there was totally unexpected.

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    MichaelKennedy (View Comment):
    Much of Columbus’ motivation was because he had a mistaken belief about longitude and the circumference of the earth. I have forgotten the details of how this came to be. Erasthorenes discovered the spherical nature of the earth and a good approximation of its size by determining noon from the bottom of a well a measured distance from another well. Of course the measurement of time was uncertain but the “flat earth” nonsense is a modern invention.

    Is it so much that or that he hit land too soon and it was more believable that abstract calculations by ancient peoples were wrong than to believe a giant landmass in the middle of nowhere had gone undetected for hundreds of years?

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    Stina (View Comment):

    MichaelKennedy (View Comment):
    Much of Columbus’ motivation was because he had a mistaken belief about longitude and the circumference of the earth. I have forgotten the details of how this came to be. Erasthorenes discovered the spherical nature of the earth and a good approximation of its size by determining noon from the bottom of a well a measured distance from another well. Of course the measurement of time was uncertain but the “flat earth” nonsense is a modern invention.

    Is it so much that or that he hit land too soon and it was more believable that abstract calculations by ancient peoples were wrong than to believe a giant landmass in the middle of nowhere had gone undetected for hundreds of years?

    No, I think there were navigators who had an idea but they did not know what was further west.  The calculation of circumference was the error and that was not Columbus’.  Now, I going to get out my copy of “Admiral of the Ocean Sea” and try to remember the story of the longitude error.  Of course sailing in those days was all “Latitude Sailing” since that was all they knew. Columbus did much the same. Latitudes were known.  Sail a latitude you know until you hit land.

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    Arahant (View Comment):

    How is everyone celebrating Columbus Day?

    Packing for a westward journey to visit lands I’ve never laid eyes on. Since I’ll be disembarking in Port-land, I suspect I’ll encounter a person or two whose manners and religion are very different from our own. 

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