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For several days now, climate alarmists and members of the Extinction Rebellion have snarled traffic in and around London preventing people from getting to work and earning a living. We’ve scene a similar tactic in Portland, OR, by Antifa.

Well, Londoners may have reached their breaking point. When some climate activists jumped atop a commuter train in order to stop it from running, the London commuters finally snapped. The London police have been soundly criticized for not doing enough to stop this nonsense, and many of the politicians in the city from the mayor on down (as in Portland), sympathize with and support the activists and their cause. At some point, this was bound to happen.

And this. Note how gently the protesters are dealt with.

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There are 25 comments.

  1. Arahant Member

    I must admit that I would find it challenging to treat such people gently.

    • #1
    • October 17, 2019, at 8:18 AM PST
    • 13 likes
  2. Stad Thatcher

    I wonder how many of the people who yanked the protesters off got arrested for violating their speech rights or using violence . . .

    • #2
    • October 17, 2019, at 9:32 AM PST
    • 3 likes
  3. Pony Convertible Member

    The problem is these protesters do these things, get hauled away (at best), and then are immediately released. I say let them live in a crowded jail for a couple of months. I am not talking about peaceful protests, I am talking about people doing illegal things like blocking a highway, or climbing a train. When a local group blocked a road in my home town this summer, all the police did was harass the people in cars who dared to try to drive down the road.

    • #3
    • October 17, 2019, at 9:43 AM PST
    • 8 likes
  4. James Lileks Contributor

    BBC OS did a story on it this morning, ran a few clips of people complaining about ER, then went straight to a fawning interview with the 17-year-old American version of St. Greta, who said the British protestors were inconveniencing the wrong people – women, people of color. They should have blocked the trains that went straight to the bank, she said, then criticized ER for being too white and male in its leadership, and demanded more intersectionality.

    It’s an imminent threat of mass extinction, but apparently we have a few minutes to spare to work on the privilege dynamics.

    It’s here, around the 16:17 mark. Worth listening. It’s stonking daft. 

    • #4
    • October 17, 2019, at 10:34 AM PST
    • 23 likes
  5. Arahant Member

    James Lileks (View Comment):
    Worth listening. It’s stonking daft.

    If I want to listen to something that’s stonking daft, I can listen to the Democratic Party’s debates.

    • #5
    • October 17, 2019, at 10:37 AM PST
    • 7 likes
  6. tigerlily Member

    Stad (View Comment):

    I wonder how many of the people who yanked the protesters off got arrested for violating their speech rights or using violence . . .

    Speech rights? This is Great Britain Stad.

    • #6
    • October 17, 2019, at 10:43 AM PST
    • 6 likes
  7. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… Member

    The Left has a real problem in dealing with protests. It generally is, and should be, illegal to do things like blocking public streets or stopping the trains or planes from departing. These are not peaceful actions.

    Force must be deployed in order to prevent such disruptions. The Leftists can’t stand the use of force, and habitually side with the wrongdoer against the authorities enforcing order.

    The problem is not just the politicians. It is, frankly, people who reacted negatively to something like the Kent State riot. I was just reading Judge Bork’s excellent book, Slouching Towards Gomorrah, about the campus riots in the 1960s, including Kent State. After describing escalating violence, including arson, in the days leading up to the final riot, Judge Bork wrote:

    On May 4, a Monday, about a thousand students gathered on campus. Guardsmen arrived and, probably unwisely, ordered the crowd to disperse. The order was predictably ignored. The Guard fired tear gas canisters into the crowd. The Guard, consisting of a hundred men surrounded by rioters shouting obscenities and chanting “Kill, kill, kill,” were under a constant barrage of rocks, chunks of concrete and cinderblock, and canisters. Fifty-eight Guardsmen were injured by thrown objects. Several of them were knocked to the ground. They had little tear gas left, and the gas had, in any event, been made ineffective by the wind. The Guardsmen retreated up a hill, appearing frightened, and then some of them suddenly turned and fired for thirteen seconds. The firing was apparently spontaneous rather than ordered.

    The events of May 4 were viewed differently by a grand jury, which exonerated the Guardsmen as having fired in legitimate fear of their lives, and the Scranton commission appointed to investigate the shootings. The commission, which had the grand jury findings before it, concluded: “The actions of some students were violent and criminal and those of some others were dangerous, reckless and irresponsible. The indiscriminate firing of rifles into a crowd of students and the deaths that followed were unnecessary, unwarranted, and inexcusable.” Those conclusions seem appropriate, though it should be remembered that the grand jurors, unlike the commission members, experienced at first-hand the four-day crazed rampage of the students in their town and on the campus. It tends to make a difference if you have lost property and felt fear for yourself, your family, and your neighbors

    Personally, I have no sympathy for the rioters. I find myself considerably to the right of even Judge Bork, as I do not agree that the shootings were “unnecessary, unwarranted, and inexcusable.” It seems to me that they were legitimate self-defense against a rioting, lawless crowd. Backing down only encourages further riots.

    • #7
    • October 17, 2019, at 11:00 AM PST
    • 11 likes
  8. Quietpi Member

    The proper thing to do now is to bill them. Include the hours, damage to the coach, wear and tear on the equipment, other costs incurred by the rail line. That’s what happens here if you start a fire, need to be rescued, etc. etc. 

    • #8
    • October 17, 2019, at 11:52 AM PST
    • 14 likes
  9. WillowSpring Member

    I would love to hear the following conversation:

    “Oh Look, someone has glued himself to the top of the plane/train”

    “Does he have a ticket?”

    “Yes”

    “O.K. then, lets go “

    That would really cut down those sort of protests.

     

    • #9
    • October 17, 2019, at 1:59 PM PST
    • 9 likes
  10. Samuel Block Member

    Arahant (View Comment):

    James Lileks (View Comment):
    Worth listening. It’s stonking daft.

    If I want to listen to something that’s stonking daft, I can listen to the Democratic Party’s debates.

    “The Earth demands Revolution” is something you can only get from the kids today. 

    • #10
    • October 17, 2019, at 2:16 PM PST
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  11. Samuel Block Member

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    BBC OS did a story on it this morning, ran a few clips of people complaining about ER, then went straight to a fawning interview with the 17-year-old American version of St. Greta, who said the British protestors were inconveniencing the wrong people – women, people of color. They should have blocked the trains that went straight to the bank, she said, then criticized ER for being too white and male in its leadership, and demanded more intersectionality.

    It’s an imminent threat of mass extinction, but apparently we have a few minutes to spare to work on the privilege dynamics.

    It’s here, around the 16:17 mark. Worth listening. It’s stonking daft.

    Ooof. I especially like the desperate times call for desperate measures answer for the question about how she became eloquent and articulate. It’s the tragedy of our age: kids have to learn to communicate in order to start social media campaigns in order to save the world.

    I think the reason these kids always have time for privilege dynamics is because it’s the only subject they understand. Very few of them have spent any time around poverty, but they are all privy to the minute kinds of intricacies which might separate an upper middle class Asian and a gay Italian from Philly.

    But there just aren’t going to be very many poor climate activists, so they’ll be perpetually out of touch, and if the disruptive protests are ever brought to the wealthy, progressive suburbs of the cities, then the police will probably begin receiving more pressure to put them down.

    Win-win, I say. Seeds of their own destruction, and all that.

    • #11
    • October 17, 2019, at 2:52 PM PST
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  12. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher

    We just need to make one example of them. 

    • #12
    • October 17, 2019, at 4:22 PM PST
    • 2 likes
  13. Randy Webster Member

    Report on an environmental protest in London a few years ago.

    The trespassers were set upon by traders, most of whom were under the age of 25. “They were kicking and punching men and women,” said a photographer, according to The Times of London. “It was really ugly. … They followed the [Greenpeace] guys into the lobby and kept kicking and punching them there. They literally kicked them on to the pavement.”

    “The violence was instant,” reported one aggrieved recipient of a rain of blows to the head. “I’ve never seen anyone less amenable to listening to our point of view.”

    I think the phrase they used was “Sod off, Swampy.”

    • #13
    • October 17, 2019, at 4:56 PM PST
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  14. J Ro Member

    Arahant (View Comment):

    I must admit that I would find it challenging to treat such people gently.

    Where are the snarling K9s? The tear gas grenades?

    And why doesn’t the train simply depart on time? Thousands of people (with children!) ride atop Mexican trains on their long journey to illegally cross the US border. Is that not considered dangerous or abusive? Let them ride!™

    • #14
    • October 17, 2019, at 6:04 PM PST
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  15. Rightfromthestart Coolidge

    I kept thinking firehoses, at least on the planes , blow the a$$hole right off the plane also the idiot on the roof and soak the morons laying on the ground. Maybe smaller hoses in the train stations . 

    • #15
    • October 17, 2019, at 6:30 PM PST
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  16. Doug Watt Member

    Sometimes you just have to reach out and touch someone. It’s called pain compliance for a reason. The Phoenix protester was actually hit with a pepper ball round.

    • #16
    • October 17, 2019, at 7:57 PM PST
    • 4 likes
  17. Lois Lane Coolidge

    Am I the only one concerned that a rando could get on top of an actual plane per the idea that means there is some real lack of security in an airport when I still have to take off my shoes and throw out my water whenever I travel “to stop terrorists”?

    • #17
    • October 18, 2019, at 4:44 AM PST
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  18. WI Con Member

    It’s rather ironic that the people that seek to put us all in mass transit would then block the very mass transit they espouse. 

    They didn’t jump on private jets, or block parking garages. Ho, hum – more Leftist stupidity…

    Was nice to see regular people not having any of it and not waiting for the cops.

    • #18
    • October 18, 2019, at 5:21 AM PST
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  19. Stad Thatcher

    Pony Convertible (View Comment):
    When a local group blocked a road in my home town this summer, all the police did was harass the people in cars who dared to try to drive down the road.

    Are you sure they weren’t giving motorists tips on how to remove bloodstains from plastic bumpers?

    • #19
    • October 18, 2019, at 5:59 AM PST
    • 1 like
  20. Stad Thatcher

    tigerlily (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    I wonder how many of the people who yanked the protesters off got arrested for violating their speech rights or using violence . . .

    Speech rights? This is Great Britain Stad.

    (forehead smack) My bad . . .

    • #20
    • October 18, 2019, at 6:00 AM PST
    • 2 likes
  21. Jon1979 Lincoln

    Reminds me a little of almost 50 years ago, when the anti-war protestors attempted to shut down Lower Manhattan following the Kent State shootings, and ended up being challenged and assaulted by the World Trade Center construction workers. Though I suppose for it to be the exact same thing, the construction workers would have had to have been riding to the WTC construction side on Pelham 1-2-3, and then had the anti-war protestors try to disrupt that train.

    • #21
    • October 18, 2019, at 6:38 AM PST
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  22. Concretevol Thatcher

    Well you can see where Portland’s police department gets their cues from when dealing with ANTIFA.

    • #22
    • October 18, 2019, at 8:16 AM PST
    • 2 likes
  23. Brian Watt Member
    Brian Watt Post author

    Meanwhile, in the United States…(WARNING: Strong Language). The man in the video looks like he’s wearing hospital scrubs, so he may be incensed that the activists are preventing people from getting to work where lives need to be saved or people need to be treated who are sick. Not that the activists care about that.

    • #23
    • October 18, 2019, at 2:54 PM PST
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  24. Concretevol Thatcher

    Brian Watt (View Comment):

    Meanwhile, in the United States…(WARNING: Strong Language). The man in the video looks like he’s wearing hospital scrubs, so he may be incensed that the activists are preventing people from getting to work where lives need to be saved or people need to be treated who are sick. Not that the activists care about that.

    Capitalism is sick of taking crap off these people lol

    • #24
    • October 18, 2019, at 7:44 PM PST
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  25. Arahant Member

    Brian Watt (View Comment):
    Meanwhile, in the United States…(WARNING: Strong Language). The man in the video looks like he’s wearing hospital scrubs, so he may be incensed that the activists are preventing people from getting to work where lives need to be saved or people need to be treated who are sick. Not that the activists care about that.

    The hero we need.

    • #25
    • October 18, 2019, at 11:32 PM PST
    • 1 like