On the Nature of Sandwiches: An Open Letter to Jonah Goldberg

 

Jonah, I enjoyed reading your column. As always, you have a style that makes the reader want to finish, no matter how much they disagree. It was well thought-out, though your logic was flawed. The biggest mistake you made was one of a closed mind.

Allow me to explain. You claim that sandwiches must meet extremely specific criteria. They are: two distinct slices of bread; proteins (meat), fats (cheese), or vegetables between the slices; eaten with parallel slices of bread on a plane perpendicular to the vector of acceleration due to gravity. This is a perfectly acceptable definition and has no doubt served you well in your life so far. But…

First, some set theory. The classic example we learn in middle school is this — just as all squares are rectangles not all rectangles are squares. Allow me to illustrate. The largest black circle is quadrilaterals or enclosed objects with four sides. The blue circle here represents all quadrilaterals that also have four straight sides and four right angles, or rectangles. Lastly, the green circle includes all rectangles whose sides are equal length or squares.

Your problem, Jonah, is that you’re considering the green circle to be inclusive of all sandwiches when it is just a tiny subset of the universe sandwiches have to offer. The true sandwich definition is this: carbohydrates + filling. Is your mind blown yet? This sandwich expanded universe (SEA) can be scary to some. After all, considering your grandmother’s blueberry pie, fried chicken, or your wedding cake sandwiches can be earthshaking. “But wedding cakes are increasingly a tray of cupcakes,” you say, confident that the SEA ends there.

You poor, poor soul.

Cupcakes are open-faced sandwiches (OFS).* I’ve attached this handy illustration, and will now explain why hot dogs are so contentious. The red circle in the below figure is your sandwich definition. The blue circle represents the SEA, and the black, OFS. How do OFS and SEA intersect you ask? That brings us to the hot dog.

You said it yourself:

…the way we eat a hot dog, with the visible meat facing skyward, you would need a dislocating jaw, like a viper or Sidney Blumenthal.

The wonderful hot dog exists at the intersection of the OFS and the SEA while adjacent to your outmoded (though technically correct) definition of a sandwich. These two sets should be known colloquially as “sandwich.”

“This is unprecedented!” you might want to say if you’ve managed to read this far without achieving a higher state of consciousness, or throwing your phone into a garbage disposal. “You can’t have a set named sandwich and have a subset also named sandwich!”

Gorilla gorilla gorilla. Bison bison bison.

Or, more commonly, the Western lowland gorilla and the Plains bison. Both animals that share a name between their subspecies, species, and genus. This precedent, while not as old as old Earl Sandwich’s allows, us to look at the entire history of man differently. Since the introduction of bread, our history is that of the sandwich. Looking at it this way, after dogs, the sandwich is man’s best friend.

Best,
Conrad

* Scott Lincicome’s nachos are also OFS

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  1. Doctor Robert Member
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    Conrad, is a meat ravioli a sandwich?

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  2. James Gawron Inactive
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    James Gawron (View Comment):
    Also, Ivanka may give you a huge clop on top of your pointy head for this.

    Ari,

    OK, OK, so Ivanka is much too nice to give you a clop on top of your pointy head. However, The Sharper Image has hired a new lawyer. Be afraid very afraid.

    Regards,

    Jim

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  3. Umbra of Nex Inactive
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    PHCheese (View Comment):

    What you take me for a Weiner?

    I’d rather not think of him in this context.

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  4. Misthiocracy, Joke Pending Member
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    SecondBite (View Comment):

    Mark Camp (View Comment):
    Thanks, Conrad. This column was a real breath of fresh air! It wasn’t about, never mind.

    Actually, it is about……….. you know. It’s allegory. The symbology is obvious to those who know.

    … it’s a racist dog-whistle?

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  5. Valiuth Member
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    Conrad: The true sandwich definition is this: carbohydrates + filling. Is your mind blown yet? This sandwich expanded universe(SEA) can be scary to some. After all, considering your grandmother’s blueberry pie, fried chicken, or your wedding cake sandwiches can be earthshaking. “But wedding cakes are increasingly a tray of cupcakes” you say, confident that the SEA ends there.

    Is there no God! A more wrongheaded and hateful definition has never been written in all of Man’s history than your definition of a sandwich. Karl Marx had more sense and humility than you sir when he expounded upon the history of capitalism. 

    Carbohydrate + filling! By this definition a pencil is a sandwich.

    A sandwich properly defined is bread topped with some combination of animal protein and fat, with the possible addition or substitution of edible plant or fungus matter.

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  6. Conrad Inactive
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    Doctor Robert (View Comment):

    Conrad, is a meat ravioli a sandwich?

    Pasta(carbohydrate) + meat filling(filling)

    Yes, of course.

    If you add sauce, then you have multitudes of cute little open-faced sandwiches

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  7. Misthiocracy, Joke Pending Member
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    Arizona Patriot (View Comment):

    Good post, but you are still to narrow in your definition of sandwich.

    Who needs filling? You can make a jam sandwich without filling. Take two pieces of bread, and jam them together.

    Who needs bread? How about a carb-free, bunless burger? It’s still a sandwich, because burgers are sandwiches. Even if the burger is just a beef patty held in the fingers.

    Who says hamburger patties have to be beef?  Who says they have to be patties?  

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  8. Misthiocracy, Joke Pending Member
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    Doctor Robert (View Comment):

    Conrad, is a meat ravioli a sandwich?

    A bowl of cereal: Is it soup or is it salad?

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  9. Conrad Inactive
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    Valiuth (View Comment):

    Conrad: The true sandwich definition is this: carbohydrates + filling. Is your mind blown yet? This sandwich expanded universe(SEA) can be scary to some. After all, considering your grandmother’s blueberry pie, fried chicken, or your wedding cake sandwiches can be earthshaking. “But wedding cakes are increasingly a tray of cupcakes” you say, confident that the SEA ends there.

    Is there no God! A more wrongheaded and hateful definition has never been written in all of Man’s history than your definition of a sandwich. Karl Marx had more sense and humility than you sir when he expounded upon the history of capitalism.

    Carbohydrate + filling! By this definition a pencil is a sandwich.

    A sandwich properly defined is bread topped with some combination of animal protein and fat, with the possible addition or substitution of edible plant or fungus matter.

    While I think that a pencil should be able to call itself a sandwich, I’m open to stipulating that a sandwich should be edible.

    That said, I’ve owned puppies that have chewed on a pencil like a rawhide bone, so maybe they recognize what we are afraid to.

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  10. Hank Rhody, Probably Mad Contributor
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    Conrad (View Comment):
    That said, I’ve owned puppies that have chewed on a pencil like a rawhide bone, so maybe they recognize what we are afraid to.

    Afraid? You’ve never chewed a pencil before? Spoiler alert, it pretty much ruins it’s function as a pencil.

    Nice avatar, by the way.

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  11. Jim McConnell Member
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    @Conrad, you must have a lot of free time on your hands.

    But, I read the whole post, so…..

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  12. Arahant Member
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    Valiuth (View Comment):
    Carbohydrate + filling! By this definition a pencil is a sandwich.

    Tasty, tasty pencils!

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  13. dnewlander Inactive
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    Sandwich:

    TacoTime Menu - Crisp Taco

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  14. Conrad Inactive
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    Jim McConnell (View Comment):

    @Conrad, you must have a lot of free time on your hands.

    But, I read the whole post, so…..

    I can’t have National Review Online posting appeals to authority and go unchallenged!

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  15. Simon Templar Member
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    Misthiocracy, Joke Pending (View Comment):

    SecondBite (View Comment):

    Mark Camp (View Comment):
    Thanks, Conrad. This column was a real breath of fresh air! It wasn’t about, never mind.

    Actually, it is about……….. you know. It’s allegory. The symbology is obvious to those who know.

    … it’s a racist dog-whistle?

    yep.  that’s what I was thinking

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  16. dnewlander Inactive
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    Sandwich:

    Mount Vernon NY: Johnny's, Revisited | Serious Eats

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  17. MarciN Member
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    dnewlander (View Comment):

    Sandwich:

    Mount Vernon NY: Johnny's, Revisited | Serious Eats

    No no no. It’s a piece of pie. :-)

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  18. Arahant Member
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    MarciN (View Comment):

    dnewlander (View Comment):

    Sandwich:

    Mount Vernon NY: Johnny's, Revisited | Serious Eats

    No no no. It’s a piece of pie. :-)

    Looks like a sandwich.

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  19. Stad Coolidge
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    My chicken fajitas self-identify as a rolled-up sandwich . . .

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  20. Simon Templar Member
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    I self-identify as a vegan when the situation calls for it.

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  21. Stad Coolidge
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    Simon Templar (View Comment):

    I self-identify as a vegan when the situation calls for it.

    I self-identify as a smokin’-hot studmuffin, but my wife refuses to recognize my claim . . .

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  22. Randy Webster Inactive
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    Conrad: It was well thought-out, though your logic was flawed.

    It’s not that Jonah’s logic is flawed, it’s that your axiom is flawed.  A sandwich is some kind of filling sandwiched (see what I did there?) between two slices of bread, not just any carbohydrate.  That’s like saying a house is any structure with dirt on the bottom and roofing on top.

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  23. Simon Templar Member
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    Stad (View Comment):

    Simon Templar (View Comment):

    I self-identify as a vegan when the situation calls for it.

    I self-identify as a smokin’-hot studmuffin, but my wife refuses to recognize my claim . . .

    Sue her yet?

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  24. Simon Templar Member
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    Valiuth (View Comment):
    Carbohydrate + filling! By this definition a pencil is a sandwich.

    funny

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  25. Henry Racette Member
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    Wonderful post. Completely, comprehensively, utterly, fabulously, and profoundly wrong — but quite charming. Set theory doesn’t lie, but liars do set theory, as the saying goes.

    Jonah is correct, and his adherence to the historically validated sandwich model merely re-confirms his conservative bona fides.

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  26. Midget Faded Rattlesnake Member
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    Richard Posner, is that you?

    “As is often the case, the court got the definition wrong,” Posner writes. “A sandwich does not have to have two slices of bread; it can have more than two (a club sandwich) and it can have just one (an open-faced sandwich). The slices of bread do not have to be thin, and the layer between them does not have to be thin either. The slices do not have to be slices of bread: a hamburger is regarded as a sandwich, and also a hot dog—and some people regard tacos and burritos as sandwiches, and a quesadilla is even more sandwich-like. Dictionaries are mazes in which judges are soon lost. A dictionary-centered textualism is hopeless.”

    George Mason University law professor David Bernstein picks up the sandwich debate in a post at the Volokh Conspiracy. “In my experience, ‘sandwich shops’ like Corner Bakery don’t sell hamburgers,” Bernstein writes, “and I’d be very surprised if someone offered me a sandwich and then handed me a hamburger. I’d be even more surprised to be offered a hot dog. Tacos, burritos, and quesadillas seem even further removed from what I think of as a ‘sandwich.’ ”

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  27. Gumby Mark Coolidge
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    You have proven your case beyond a shadow of a doubt and with geometric logic.  You had them at the strawberries, sir.

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  28. Basil Fawlty Member
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    The introduction of the top-sliced hot dog bun was an evil distraction from the truth.

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  29. @TistelTech Inactive
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    The only relevant properties required for being a sandwich are:

    1. edible condiment containment shell (to keep the hands slightly cleaner)
    2. protein filling (not necessarily animal based)
    3. must provide insulation against the heat (optional, depending on temperture of material from step 2)

    My definition would actually make hotdogs and Mexican sandwiches (aka tacos) an elite form of super sandwich, because that extra material (a third wall) actually makes them more sandwich-ey, more contained, than an mere 2 walled sandwich.  (I did like JG’s tweet quoting his wife:  https://twitter.com/JonahNRO/status/1025456696712417280  he clearly married up).

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  30. Byung Kyu Park Coolidge
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    Nick H (View Comment):

    How exactly are cupcakes “carbohydrates + filling” if they’re all carbohydrates and no filling? If you’re trying to say that the frosting is the filling, that’s just silly. Unlike the rest of the post which is just pure science and logic. Hot dogs are clearly a form of sandwich, in the same category as subs and cheesesteaks.

    Carbohydrate is the filling. See: chip butty

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