Stephen Miller vs. Jim Acosta: No Holds Barred

 

Despite CNN’s protests, there might be a reason White House staffers don’t call on Jim Acosta more often. On Wednesday, the aggrieved correspondent had an intense six-minute back-and-forth with Trump aide Stephen Miller on the administration’s immigration reform plan. It got … testy.

Throughout the exchange, Acosta seemed less a reporter than a Democratic candidate. Who do you think got the better of the debate: Miller or Acosta?

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  1. Arahant Member
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    Could Be Anyone (View Comment):
    I don’t have time to watch you and Jamie dance. Especially if it’s subtle.

    Short version, I agree with you, if we have a proper system in place to screen candidates for immigration, we win.

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  2. Eeyore Member
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    EJHill (View Comment):
    For all of his progressive hackery, former Obama aide Ben Rhodes was right about reporters:

    They call us to explain to them what’s happening in Moscow and Cairo. Most of the outlets are reporting on world events from Washington. The average reporter we talk to is 27 years old, and their only reporting experience consists of being around political campaigns. That’s a sea change. They literally know nothing.

    Jim Acosta is 46. Some people age well, gaining complexity, like good wine. Jim Acosta seems to be aging more like a big sack of bananas.

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  3. DrewInWisconsin Member
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    Eeyore (View Comment):
    Some people age well, gaining complexity, like good wine. Jim Acosta seems to be aging more like a big sack of bananas.

    I’m stealing this.

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  4. Jamie Lockett Member
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    Larry Koler (View Comment):
    Here’s the thing: Acosta should be warned that he won’t be allowed into the press pool if he interrupts the press guy. Instead, Miller evidently has no power in that situation that he can exercise. He just has to take it and repeat “Jim, Jim, Jim.” Empower the press guys to stand against the unprofessional hacks. Hacks should not be allowed in to begin with but once it’s clear they are hacks then prevent them from heckling like this. Get control of the presser!

    Sorry but I like the press innterrupting government officials with questions even when I disagree with them. It’s the job of the press, I wish they would do more of it. Miller is a big boy, he did just fine.

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  5. ZStone Inactive
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    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):
    It’s the job of the press, I wish they would do more of it.

    Or at the very least ask better questions…

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  6. Eeyore Member
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    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Larry Koler (View Comment):
    Here’s the thing: Acosta should be warned that he won’t be allowed into the press pool if he interrupts the press guy. Instead, Miller evidently has no power in that situation that he can exercise. He just has to take it and repeat “Jim, Jim, Jim.” Empower the press guys to stand against the unprofessional hacks. Hacks should not be allowed in to begin with but once it’s clear they are hacks then prevent them from heckling like this. Get control of the presser!

    Sorry but I like the press innterrupting government officials with questions even when I disagree with them. It’s the job of the press, I wish they would do more of it. Miller is a big boy, he did just fine.

    How about interrupting government officials with bilious speechifying?

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  7. JcTPatriot Member
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    Larry Koler (View Comment):
    Here’s the thing: Acosta should be warned that he won’t be allowed into the press pool if he interrupts the press guy. Instead, Miller evidently has no power in that situation that he can exercise. He just has to take it and repeat “Jim, Jim, Jim.” Empower the press guys to stand against the unprofessional hacks. Hacks should not be allowed in to begin with but once it’s clear they are hacks then prevent them from heckling like this. Get control of the presser!

    Turn the cameras back off. Now. The reason the MSM hated it when they turned off the cameras is because with audio only, they sound exactly like the prissy little bitches that they are. Instead of looking at Miller react, you can only hear Acosta, and he is pathetic.

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  8. Dr.Guido Member
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    Acosta was simply desperate that as many viewers as possible could see why so many in the 4th Estate are held in such low esteem….Miller deserves an award for putting up with jerks like Acosta.

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  9. ZStone Inactive
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    Eeyore (View Comment):

    How about interrupting government officials with bilious speechifying?

    Probably caused by an excess of bilious humors, if you ask me. He might have a deficient sense of humor as well.

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  10. Guruforhire Inactive
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    So now facts are white supremacy.

    Its the lefts go to non sequitur.

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  11. I Walton Member
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    See Sussman’s interview with Prager yesterday.   The left, including their journalists really know nothing.  Their assertions of racism, fascism etc. as we all know, are to cover the fact that they have no arguments.  But it’s worse.  Their faith prevents them from learning anything.  We have to do what he did here, either ignore them totally, dismiss them as kooks not worthy of attention or strip them  bare then pillory them,  always keeping ones cool.

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  12. Steve C. Member
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    The Scarecrow (View Comment):

    Mike LaRoche (View Comment):
    “Bad poetry on a old French statue is not an immigration policy.” — Kathy Shaidle

    “”Send me your tires, your cars, your metal chassis turning to debris,

    and I’ll bill you later.”

    These words, spray painted on the immortal Lady With the Torch, remain eternal, because no citizen, in a free country, has the right to remove them.”

    (A little Firesign Theater for you in the night.)

    Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.

    (Call and raise)

     

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  13. The Whether Man Inactive
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    Boy, the idea that the Statue of Liberty poem has ever characterized actual American attitudes toward immigration is so completely dishonest, it’s appalling.  So of course that’s what the headlines are about: historical amnesia for everyone, I guess.

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  14. Fred Cole Inactive
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    Ugh. What a putz. Do I really have to pay that guy’s salary?

    I don’t know if anybody has pointed this out, but that’s an official from a Republican administration and he uses an argument that includes the phrase “living wage.”

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  15. Fred Cole Inactive
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    Also, if you’re a politico and your explaining the Statue of Liberty, you’re already losing.

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  16. The Whether Man Inactive
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    Fred Cole (View Comment):
    Also, if you’re a politico and your explaining the Statue of Liberty, you’re already losing.

    It’s bad optics, and certainly you’re bound to lose the spin.  But this question from Acosta is amazing: “You’re saying that [the Statue of Liberty poem] does not represent what the country has always thought of as immigration coming into this country?”

    That poem since its writing has never represented what the country has thought of as immigration coming into the country. It might have briefly represented ideas about a sliver of Western European migration between 1903 (when it was added to the statue) and 1917 (when the literacy test was added to head taxes to make the most restrictive bill to date), but it sure did not ever apply more widely than that. Certainly never after 1917.   But that’s probably too much nuance to win the news cycle.

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  17. blood thirsty neocon Inactive
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    NYLibertarianGuy (View Comment):

    blood thirsty neocon (View Comment):
    Can we say that this policy proposal was rolled out well, or were there any t‘s not crossed or i‘s not dotted? I’d like a ruling from an anti-Trumper. Maybe Stephen Miller wasn’t lovable enough when he took apart Jim Acosta at the joints?

    It’s not that Miller wasn’t “loveable” enough. It’s that he was weak for the early part of the exchange. He acted like he owed something to Acosta or that Acosta had a right to talk over him. Miller should have plowed right through him.

    I think Acosta wanted to play the victim. Miller did eventually plow right through him, but if he had done so immediately it would have been a sign of the dark night of fascism.

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  18. blood thirsty neocon Inactive
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    Could Be Anyone (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    iWe (View Comment):
    pass the AP US History test

    Most American’s can’t even do that.

    Exactly, Jamie. We can breed our own ignorant masses. We don’t have to take in the rest of the world’s ignorant masses.

    Who says immigration is bringing in the ignorant masses? Pretty sure those legally immigrating have to pass some basic civics courses and other tests in order to get a green card.

    Nope, my wife didn’t have to. I’ve taught her though.

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  19. blood thirsty neocon Inactive
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    Fred Cole (View Comment):
    Also, if you’re a politico and your explaining the Statue of Liberty, you’re already losing.

    Keep trying to spin this as a defeat. Miller won the debate.

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  20. Bob Thompson Member
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    blood thirsty neocon (View Comment):

    Fred Cole (View Comment):
    Also, if you’re a politico and your explaining the Statue of Liberty, you’re already losing.

    Keep trying to spin this as a defeat. Miller won the debate.

    Fred’s spin is so weak it’s getting no action.

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  21. DrewInWisconsin Member
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    Since for people like Acosta it’s all about fame and glory, I wonder if we play into their hands by helping spread their name around.

    I realize it’s common for someone giving a press conference to call upon the reporters by name, but perhaps that practice needs to stop. Instead, just say “Yes, the reporter from CNN has a question?”

    Absolutely diminish their own personal pride, and never use their names. Treat them all as faceless “reporter.” If you’re later asked about “Jim,” act as if you don’t know who they’re talking about. “You mean the reporter from CNN? Sorry, they all look alike to me.”

    (They’re all part of the media hive mind anyway. No need to treat them as individuals.)

    The effect of never acknowledging a reporter’s name (combined with turning off the cameras again) would help remind them that they are not the story.

    This should also apply when you appear on their news shows. Don’t address them as individuals. Address them as their roles — people whose job it is to deliver the news, not be the news.

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  22. NYLibertarianGuy Inactive
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    Fred Cole (View Comment):
    Ugh. What a putz. Do I really have to pay that guy’s salary?

    I don’t know if anybody has pointed this out, but that’s an official from a Republican administration and he uses an argument that includes the phrase “living wage.”

    I don’t agree with the policy position at all, Fred.  But from a strategic perspective, it’s a smart line of argument.  If the White House is going to build consensus around their immigration policy, they will have to pick out anti-immigration Democrats.  It’s a smart approach to a stupid policy.

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  23. Arahant Member
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    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):
    This should also apply when you appear on their news shows. Don’t address them as individuals. Address them as their roles — people whose job it is to deliver the news, not be the news.

    Amen.

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  24. NYLibertarianGuy Inactive
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    NYLibertarianGuy (View Comment):

    blood thirsty neocon (View Comment):
    Can we say that this policy proposal was rolled out well, or were there any t‘s not crossed or i‘s not dotted? I’d like a ruling from an anti-Trumper. Maybe Stephen Miller wasn’t lovable enough when he took apart Jim Acosta at the joints?

    It’s not that Miller wasn’t “loveable” enough. It’s that he was weak for the early part of the exchange. He acted like he owed something to Acosta or that Acosta had a right to talk over him. Miller should have plowed right through him.

    Maybe Miller just wanted to make sure that it would be really difficult for anyone to say he treated Acosta unfairly.

    Possibly, but the media is going to say he treated Acosta unfairly no matter what.  Miller has to accept that and speak directly to the people who are inclined to agree, rather than getting bogged down with idiotic race-baiting arguments by the media.

    I completely disagree with the Administration’s proposed immigration policy.  I’m not talking about the policy here, just Miller’s effectiveness.  I think Miller recovered by the end, but I think he objectively looked weak for most of the exchange.  He’s not the right messenger for the Administration.

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  25. billy Inactive
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    Fred Cole (View Comment):
    Ugh. What a putz. Do I really have to pay that guy’s salary?

    I don’t know if anybody has pointed this out, but that’s an official from a Republican administration and he uses an argument that includes the phrase “living wage.”

    Sigh. This is my cue to unfollow this post.

    Also, does anyone else notice the irony of this commentator employing the term “putz” to a member of the Trump administration?

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  26. Steve C. Member
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    blood thirsty neocon (View Comment):

    Fred Cole (View Comment):
    Also, if you’re a politico and your explaining the Statue of Liberty, you’re already losing.

    Keep trying to spin this as a defeat. Miller won the debate.

    Won? Debate?

    This was a two guys at the local tavern argument. Someone alerted me to this with the now to be expected, “You need to see the smack down etc etc”. I was expecting an earth shattering kaboom and instead was treated to a damp squib.

    This is how you win the argument in 25 words or less:

    There you go again.

    or

    Mr. Hart, here is a dime. Take it, call your mother, and tell her there is serious doubt about you ever becoming a lawyer.

     

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  27. Buckpasser Member
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    Steve C. (View Comment):
    Mr. Hart, here is a dime. Take it, call your mother, and tell her there is serious doubt about you ever becoming a lawyer.

    Nice Paper Chase reference.  Kudos.

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  28. Robert McReynolds Member
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    The Whether Man (View Comment):

    Fred Cole (View Comment):
    Also, if you’re a politico and your explaining the Statue of Liberty, you’re already losing.

    It’s bad optics, and certainly you’re bound to lose the spin. But this question from Acosta is amazing: “You’re saying that [the Statue of Liberty poem] does not represent what the country has always thought of as immigration coming into this country?”

    That poem since its writing has never represented what the country has thought of as immigration coming into the country. It might have briefly represented ideas about a sliver of Western European migration between 1903 (when it was added to the statue) and 1917 (when the literacy test was added to head taxes to make the most restrictive bill to date), but it sure did not ever apply more widely than that. Certainly never after 1917. But that’s probably too much nuance to win the news cycle.

    Well it’s certainly longer than 140 characters so it won’t ever be read and understood by the media who live and breath by Twitter.

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  29. Bob Thompson Member
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    NYLibertarianGuy (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    NYLibertarianGuy (View Comment):

    blood thirsty neocon (View Comment):
    Can we say that this policy proposal was rolled out well, or were there any t‘s not crossed or i‘s not dotted? I’d like a ruling from an anti-Trumper. Maybe Stephen Miller wasn’t lovable enough when he took apart Jim Acosta at the joints?

    It’s not that Miller wasn’t “loveable” enough. It’s that he was weak for the early part of the exchange. He acted like he owed something to Acosta or that Acosta had a right to talk over him. Miller should have plowed right through him.

    Maybe Miller just wanted to make sure that it would be really difficult for anyone to say he treated Acosta unfairly.

    Possibly, but the media is going to say he treated Acosta unfairly no matter what. Miller has to accept that and speak directly to the people who are inclined to agree, rather than getting bogged down with idiotic race-baiting arguments by the media.

    I completely disagree with the Administration’s proposed immigration policy. I’m not talking about the policy here, just Miller’s effectiveness. I think Miller recovered by the end, but I think he objectively looked weak for most of the exchange. He’s not the right messenger for the Administration.

    I’ll take your opposition to the policy and panning of the spokesman to mean we have the correct policy and the right spokesman. Instead of anyone I should have said anyone except the media.

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  30. Jamie Lockett Member
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    billy (View Comment):

    Fred Cole (View Comment):
    Ugh. What a putz. Do I really have to pay that guy’s salary?

    I don’t know if anybody has pointed this out, but that’s an official from a Republican administration and he uses an argument that includes the phrase “living wage.”

    Sigh. This is my cue to unfollow this post.

    Also, does anyone else notice the irony of this commentator employing the term “putz” to a member of the Trump administration?

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